and the Global Danger." Dr. James Fetzer interview
with Leuren Moret, web page Here,
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Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer,
your host on the Real Deal with my very special guest today
Leuren Moret who is an independent geoscientist who has been
tracking events in Japan related to the Fukushima disaster and
her latest results are so stunning and disturbing that I rearranged
my schedule so I could have Leuren on today rather than a week
from now. Leuren, it is a great pleasure to have you back on
the Real Deal
Leuren Moret: Thank you very much.
Dr. Fetzer: You were mentioning some monitoring
of radiation levels in Japan, and from what you were telling
me it sounds very, very disturbing.
L. Moret: It is very disturbing. A
former minister, I believe of the interior in Japan exposed
the government cover-up, and said that the actual radiation
levels measured in Japan by the government had been reduced
by three decimal points before they reported them. And that
is a thousand times --
Dr. Fetzer: Three decimal points, Leuren!
L. Moret: That is a thousand times lower than
what they actually measured.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, that is stunning! What
duplicity! What deceit! How misleading can you get? And this
involves life and death.
L. Moret: Well, they got caught because last
night, that would be July 18th in Japan, Dr. Chris Busby, the
low level radiation expert for the British government and the
European parliament is on a speaking tour. And he reported in
the press conferences and the public forums the results of his
analysis of air filters from cars and trucks in Tokyo and Fukushima
and Chiba, which is halfway between Tokyo and Fukushima. And
what he was able to determine from the radiation he measured
on the air filter and microscopic evaluation is that by knowing
the type of engine and the volume of the engine as well as the
mileage that was put on the car since March 11th, he could actually
calculate the radiation concentration in the air at peak levels,
or the average level I guess during that period since March
11th. And what he reported I was really shocked, Jim. He said
that from an air filter that had been in a car for four months,
that had been driving back and forth between Tokyo and Chiba
which is maybe a hundred miles, he discovered that by measuring
the radiation on the filter and using the calculations on the
engine size and the time that it had been driven, the air concentrations
of radiation in Japan in the Chiba area were three
[hundred] times the radiation concentrations at the peak
of atmospheric testing in 1963.
Dr. Fetzer: That is pretty disturbing Leuren.
That is suggestive -- is very, very high, and for a Japanese
interior minister to reduce by, you know, a thousand times --
L. Moret: No, he exposed that the government
had reduced it --
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, I understand that, I understand
that. I mean it is just shocking that kind of misinformation
-- I mean since it is deliberate it is disinformation
that would be given to the people of Japan about the contamination
of their own atmosphere.
L. Moret: Well, you know what the coolest thing
is about radiation? It can be whatever you want it to be. It
is a spin-doctor's dream. It is invisible, you can't taste it,
you can't see it, and most people can't measure it. You have
to have a Geiger counter, and even more sophisticated instruments
or technology to really analyze it properly. So it can all be
manipulated. However, that must be correct because on June 9th,
Dr. Janette Sherman and Joseph Mengano who I worked with for
eight years -- we still work together -- they looked at centers
for disease control data which is for infant mortality which
I think is reported weekly by county for the United States.
They looked at eight cities in the U.S., and those cities were,
oh dear, I don't have a list of them, anyway those cities included
Seattle, Santa Cruz in California, Berkeley --
Dr. Fetzer: Los Angeles, probably.
L. Moret: Portland, Oregon, anyway West Coast
Dr. Fetzer: San Diego, no doubt.
L. Moret: No, they did not include L.A. and
San Diego. But what they found was a 35%
increase in infant morality since March 11th.
Dr. Fetzer: Really?
L. Moret: It is a dramatic increase in baby
deaths in the U.S. and it is most definitely the result of Fukushima
fallout. Now what happened is immediately there was a global
attack by academics, scholars, radiation -- the nuclear establishment
officials all over the world, and the really big attack came
out in the Scientific American in the June 21st issue
by Michael Moyer. And they attacked Janette Sherman and Joseph
Bengano and said they had cherry-picked the cities and that
the spike was a fantasy. It was incorrect. They had exaggerated,
and so forth and so on. So they had one of their own statisticians
as well as people in the comments section reevaluate the information.
And so the critics cherry-picked four cities. They picked the
infant mortality in Portland, Tacoma, Seattle, and Spokane.
And they calculated the infant mortality and came up with a
42% increase [Dr. Fetzer laughs] in those four cities,
and that is consistent because there are two factors that determine
the level of radioactive contamination in the environment and
in people, and that is whether it is rainfall, fog, moisture,
snow, which washes the radiation out of the atmosphere into
the environment, and the surface, the upper dust level, which
is the top three centimeters is where most of it ends up. And
the Japanese government was measuring the radiation levels 83
feet high up in the air. So they had very reduced levels compared
to what was on the sidewalks, and in the parks, and on the grass
and in the streets. And so the --
Dr. Fetzer: Wasn't this terribly embarrassing
to the author of the Scientific American article? Does
this re-review of the data show that it was even worse?
L. Moret: Well, it certainly was embarrassing,
and then on July 5th, just a week and a half later, the Canadian
Health Department in British Columbia reported an infant mortality
spike there. And of course they blamed it on parents sleeping
with babies and things like that --
Dr. Fetzer: Oh c'mon, c'mon Leuren, those factors
are constant across the environment, across time, so they can't
possibly be the explanation.
L. Moret: Well, enough people are foolish enough
to believe them. But that does confirm what Dr. Sherman reported.
And it is consistent with the high rainfall in the northwest,
and so their levels would be even higher than cities in California.
Now we can't get infant mortality increases in the contaminated
areas of Japan -- actually the whole country is [contaminated],
because the U.S. and the Department of Energy and Dr. Steven
Chu and Dr. Koonan are controlling the emergency response and
they are controlling what TEPCO does. And the documents that
are being released jointly in Japan by the Japanese government
and the U.S. government -- actually a friend of mine hacked
one of the maps of contamination in northern Japan and underneath
the top layer was the map, was the same map, but it said "The
Department of Energy." So it is the Department of Energy
that is coming up with the maps, the numbers, measuring --
Dr. Fetzer: That is the U.S. Department
L. Moret: The U.S. Department of Energy is
running the whole thing.
Dr. Fetzer: And it appears to me a cover-up,
right? A massive suffocation of real information about what
is going on.
L. Moret: Oh it is the biggest cover-up about
the most serious nuclear issue that has ever happened in the
history of the world. And it will certainly contribute to a
major extinction. A genocide of, oh, many, many people in the
northern hemisphere. But the radiation two weeks after explosions
was already reported plutonium in Australian fish, and I think
it was plutonium in Columbia in South America, so it -- radiation
is different. It respects no borders, it respects no socioeconomic
class, and it respects no religion. It is an equal opportunity
killer. And it is killing the babies first. The babies are the
first ones almost immediately to die, even within a day of exposure.
Dr. Fetzer: Within a day of exposure. They
are like canaries in the coal mine.
L. Moret: That's right.
Dr. Fetzer: That's very scary, Leuren. I was
going to ask what was the period of incubation from downwind
exposure, but what you are telling me is that it is so serious
that for tiny infants it can be almost instant.
L. Moret: It is. And for embryos in the first
month after conception, usually a woman doesn't even know she
is pregnant. 80% of the embryos exposed to radiation in pregnant
mice die. And they are reabsorbed by the uterus, or
they are rejected by the uterus and animal studies are done
on animals because they can't do them on humans, but we do them
on animals, because they have the same hormones and systems
that we have.
Dr. Fetzer: Well let me ask you this, Leuren.
If they are reabsorbed by the uterus, are they then recycled?
I mean that radioactivity has such a huge half-life that it
certainly is not going to simply go away.
L. Moret: Yes, yes.
Dr. Fetzer: Are we talking about the permanent
contamination of the uterus?
L. Moret: Oh, the whole body. The ova, the
sperm, everything. Well, the sperm is replenished.
In other words, it is constantly reproduced. But the ova, in
women, they form in the unborn baby girl. And so what you have
in utero, and when you are born, is all you have for the rest
of your life. And it those are damaged by radiation that causes
mutations, in any ovum that is contaminated, when the sperm
unites with that ovum, when that baby girl is an adult, in the
new organism every single cell that forms from that original
cell formed by the sperm in the ovum has that mutation in it
and it is passed on to all future generations.
Dr. Fetzer: You are remarking on a phenomenon
on which I think most Americans are oblivious, that when a female
is born, she is born with her complete stock of ova. That she
has all the ova she will ever possess in her entire life.
L. Moret: That is correct.
Dr. Fetzer: Then ovulation and menstruation
and so forth is simply the cyclical processing and discharge
of one ova at a time. Or occasionally I suppose two or more.
L. Moret: Yes, shedding them, that is correct.
Dr. Fetzer: Not all forms of radiation will
affect the ova? Am I right about that, or would even microwave
radiation make an effect?
L. Moret: Ah, well, radio waves cause infertility.
Dr. Fetzer: Radio waves can cause infertility
L. Moret: Yes, and they also cause mutations
and spontaneous abortions.
Dr. Fetzer: You are suggesting that all forms
of radiation are hazardous to ova and it is much better to avoid
L. Moret: Non-ionizing radiation is also a
risk. It is not as great a risk as ionizing radiation because
ionizing radiation produces thousands and millions of times
more free radicals. But very low levels of energy, whether it
is from non ionizing radiation or ionizing radiation or chemicals
cause extremely profound changes. It is called the supra-linear
effect. Because of the energy density from very, very low
levels, if low, the free radicals that form are very far apart
and they can't run into each other and neutralize each other.
So at very low levels of exposure to chemicals, ionizing radiation,
and even radio waves cause very profound and subtle changes
and they are much more damaging per unit of radiation than they
are at higher levels.
Dr. Fetzer: Let me ask this, because micro
wave ovens are so prevalent across the United States and even
most of the world today. Have any studies been done about the
effects of microwave radiation on genetic abnormalities.
L. Moret: Oh, extensive, and you would find
the best reports in U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy
Dr. Fetzer: Do they support that it is capable
of damaging ova.
L. Moret: They support everything.
Everything that I am saying.
Dr. Fetzer: Meaning even microwave oven radiation
can do this kind of damage.
L. Moret: Absolutely. That is why they put
the shielding on it. Right?
Dr. Fetzer: Very scary. Leuren.
L. Moret: It is horrific. What they have done
Dr. Fetzer: You mean these studies about a
baby being put in a microwave --today they are mostly too small
-- but I mean even if it is for a brief period of time it could
have severe damaging effects.
L. Moret: Well every police station and the
sheriff's departments as well have installed new, extremely
transmitters and antennas and they are deliberately targeting
populations in the cities where these antennas are located.
Dr. Fetzer: To deliberately cause some genetic
L. Moret: All kinds of damage.
Dr. Fetzer: Are these racially targeted operations?
L. Moret: Oh no, they are culling the society.
Dr. Fetzer: You mean it is targeted to individuals?
L. Moret: Yes, it is.
Dr. Fetzer: Oh Leuren, that is creepy and scary.
L. Moret: Well, that is what they are doing.
It is part of the depopulation agenda. This has been ongoing
for over a hundred years.
Dr. Fetzer: I have heard reports that Japan
might become uninhabitable as a consequence of the Fukushima
catastrophe. Is that a real possibility?
L. Moret: It is already uninhabitable.
Dr. Fetzer: Really.
L. Moret: Yes, for people who are -- now this
is the craziest thing of all. This is the news for today. The
Prime Minister of Japan, [Naoto]
Kan, has made statements in the past that people should
eat the contaminated food from the contaminated regions. I am
going to read his quote.
Dr. Fetzer: He says you should eat
L. Moret: Yes, this is what he said.
Dr. Fetzer: We are good for you, remember there
was a book not that many years ago Toxic
Sludge is Good for You. It sounds like this
is a variation.
L. Moret: It is the greatest, most hilarious
spin, but it is such a tragedy because a lot of people will
die because of it. But speaking at a news conference to mark
one month since the massive earthquake and tsunami devastated
the northeastern coast of the country, Japanese Prime Minister
produce from the region around the Fukushima plant, [in] which
the ground is three times higher contamination than Chernobyl,
is safe to eat despite radiation leaks. This is translated verbatim
from his speech. "From now on
people should not fall into an extreme self-restrained mood.
They should live life as normal.... To consume products
from the areas that have been affected is also a way in which
to support the area. We should enjoy the use of such products
and support the areas that have been affected. I ask you to
do this." That is what the Prime Minister's message is,
and now the news
today in the Yomiuri Shinbun, the July 17th issue,
reported "Prime Minister Kan attended a meeting on July
16th at a hotel in Koriyama City, Fukushima Prefecture, to exchange
opinions with the heads of the twelve municipalities or cities
surrounding the Fukushima nuclear power plant. Regarding the
road map to winding down the plant accident, the Prime Minister
expressed his hope that the step two will be achieved ahead
of schedule. The step two is to bring the reactors to a cold
shutdown by the middle of January of next year. According to
the participants in the meeting, minister in charge of the nuke
accident, Hosono reported, that the `step 1,' whose deadline
was July 17th, had been almost all successfully completed. The
Prime Minister said that "We want to achieve the `step
2' ahead of schedule so that many of you can go back to your
homes. That is within 20 kilometers of the nuclear power plant.
Some expressed a huge disappointment at the Prime Minister's
explanation. The Diet is the Japanese Parliament that his "beyond-nuke"
stance was only his personal opinion. In response, the Prime
Minister said his administrations view on the issue would be
decided soon." So what he was saying was that he wanted
to abolish all nukes but then he said "Oh, that is just
my public opinion, and my personal opinion and the cabinet will
decide." Well they are going to decide to build more and
keep operating the ones they have. Now, the most important part
of this article --
Dr. Fetzer: Are these people incapable of learning
from experience Leuren or is this just massive corruption to
benefit the corporations and the nuclear power industry? .
L. Moret: Well, they have been chess-moved
just like Christy
Todd Whitman and all the other officials who were part of
9/11. They were moved into key positions long before this happened,
and it is all set up. Even the centers for disease control were
part of this foreshadowing, and on March 9th, two days before
the earthquake hit Japan, the centers for disease control started
posting hundreds of documents on radiation emergencies. And
information for care-givers, and about radiation. And they continued
to post them for the next thirty days. So this is all planned
ahead of time. I have said from the beginning that the Fukushima
disaster, the earthquake was triggered by HAARP. We now have
extensive evidence that confirms it. Even the scientific community
is saying that, especially the geoscientists and the geophysicists,
and the biggest lie of all though, this is the biggest lie that
TEPCO has promoted from the beginning. I knew that within six
or eight hours after the earthquake, because all the cooling
systems had shut down, and they could not get them started because
the Stuxnet virus sabotaged every effort to start up the emergency
cooling systems at the Fukushima plant. So those reactors were
without cooling water for more than probably 48 hours, and within
six to eight hours -- and we know this from a simulated melt-down
at the Browns
Ferry nuclear power plant that was simulated in 1984. We
know that the reactors were in complete melt-down and starting
to melt through the bottom of the reactors within six
to eight hours of the earthquake.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, doesn't the involvement
of the Stuxnet suggest Israeli complicity in all of this?
L. Moret: Well, the Stuxnet virus was actually
developed at the Idaho
nuclear engineering [National] Lab in 2007 when a U.S. team,
and I am talking about nuclear weapons level-sophisticated scientists
and computer software experts. They went to the Idaho nuclear
engineering lab, and together with a Siemens team that came
from Germany, they developed the Stuxnet virus in a six month
period. And the Siemens team had to participate because they
were writing a worm or a virus or a program for the Siemens
controllers that are used in the nuclear power plant controlling
system at Fukushima and also at the Natanz and Bushehr
nuclear facilities in Iran. So it was introduced in July of
2010, and I think it was in August of 2010 the attack occurred
in Iran --
Dr. Fetzer: Hold that thought Leuren, we have
got to take our first break. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on
the Real Deal with my special guest today, Leuren Moret. We
are talking about the catastrophe in Japan. We'll be right back.
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Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on
the Real Deal, continuing my conversation with geoscientist
Leuren Moret about events in Japan related to the Fukushima
disaster. You were mentioning the Stuxnet missile in relation
to Iran. Leuren, please continue.
L. Moret: Yes, the Stuxnet, virus, as I have
mentioned, before the break, was developed by a U.S team aided
by a Siemens team from Germany. The reason Siemens had to be
involved was because of all of the firewalls and the privacy
and everything of their computer language, and it would have
taken much longer for the U.S. team to unravel it or to get
around the protective software. Or they might not have even
been able to do it. So it had to be co-developed, and what we
know is that the U.S. gave the Stuxnet virus to Israel and Israel
delivered it to the Natanz facility where the centrifuges, about
800 of them, were just destroyed by the virus. And that virus
appeared in Japan in October. It was discovered that something
like 62 computers were infected with it. However, what is very
strange is that in September of 2010, even though the governor
Province had prohibited MOX fuel in any reactors
in that prefecture, the MOX fuel, which is a mixture of plutonium
oxide and uranium oxide fuel was covertly put into reactor number
three at the Fukushima plant. And in November or December an
Israeli security team from Dimona, which is the nuclear weapons
facility in Israel, put a new security system in that particular
Fukushima I Daiichi 1 plant, and they left shortly before the
earthquake and tsunami caused all the problems, and they must
have been the ones who introduced the Stuxnet virus while they
were installing a new security system.
Dr. Fetzer: So who was responsible for this
L. Moret: Well, the Israelis delivered it,
Dr. Fetzer: So there was an Israeli aspect
L. Moret: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: And the MOX fuel was a bad thing
to introduce here too.
L. Moret: Well it was already prohibited by
the governor of the Prefecture in 2002. So obviously they were
sneaking it in, and the Stuxnet virus was already in Japan in
October, and the Israelis were there in November or December
or about that time. And so the whole thing was a big set up.
I mean all the forensic evidence is there. It is irrefutable.
The earthquake was a magnitude 9.0. They never had a magnitude
9.0 earthquake reported in 1,200 years in Japan.
Dr. Fetzer: 1,200 years! That is a pretty good
L. Moret: And there were simply none reported
in the period in the period since they have been monitoring
earthquakes in Japan. And that is at least 125 years. The tsunami,
which was widely reported by the Japanese government to be 31
feet, was no 31 feet because the Japanese government sent sophisticated
teams of government scientists to go and determine in the last
months the peak height of the tsunami and from certain bays
the shape of the bay and the topography of the sea bottom and
everything is what determines how high a tsunami will be. So
it can come into a whole coastline of bays and it could be 31
feet in the Fukushima Bay, but it was measured as high as 131
feet in three other bays along that coastline. That is unprecedented.
That is what happened in the Sumatra earthquake also, and what
really, really was the most convincing thing of all -- there
were two things, one is that the United States Geological Survey
issued a graph of large magnitude earthquakes and their frequency,
or how many times they were reported by year throughout the
world, going back about 50 years, and the very, very, very large
magnitude earthquakes were extremely rare until between 1995
and 2000. All of a sudden they started going up exponentially.
It is unprecedented, and between 1995 and 2000 is when the HAARP
antennae became operational.
Dr. Fetzer: Really.
L. Moret: The other piece of evidence that
I was researching with another friend, and he discovered, we
co-discovered, that the Tromso, Norway HAARP facility was conducting
a heating experiment of the ionosphere for a week before the
Fukushima earthquake. Now the Gakona, Alaska HAARP facility
for a week before the earthquake was transmitting the 2.5 hz
signal which is the particular wavelength that is used to trigger
earthquakes. And the Tromso, Norway site was doing heating experiments,
and what NASA scientists visiting MIT reported in May 18th,
right after the NASA reports, the Technology Review
at MIT published by MIT, reported with a chart of the heating
spots and the intensity of the heating spots. The heating patterns
for about a month showed that these round heating spots, that
is another finger print of HAARP. The antennae produces round
beams, and these heating spots were heating at different areas
along the entire plate tectonic zone that goes the whole length
of the east side of Japan. So they were obviously heating certain
parts of the earthquake zone that were locked and had a lot
of energy stored up because the fault zone was stuck. And that
increases stress and strain until it finally -- there is excess
energy there and finally it pops. So they are actually using
the heating beam, transmitted through the ionosphere from these
HAARP facilities all over the world. But apparently Tromso,
Norway and Gakona, Alaska were involved. And it boils the water
in the fault zone and it causes it to form steam or to expand
and it pushes the fault zone apart enough to get it to release.
Dr. Fetzer: When water changes from liquid
to steam, it increases in volume by 1,600 times.
L. Moret: That's right, and there is a lot
of water --
Dr. Fetzer: There is a lot of water in the
L. Moret: There is a lot of water in fault
zones. Now, get this, get this. Tromso, Norway was established
as a HAARP facility in 1974. It was funded by the Wallenberg
bankers in Scandinavia, and there are six countries, seven countries
that own it. Number one is the UK, Britain. Number two is Norway,
Finland, Sweden, Japan, China, and Germany is also involved.
And a very, very, very important report was published in June
of 2010 by two Japanese scientists in a natural disaster emergency
journal, which is a brand new journal, and what they reported
is that they analyzed earthquakes in the United States and Japan,
and what they did is they divided them into two groups, and
one group had detected ULF or ultra low frequency transmissions,
wireless transmissions, for a week before the earthquake, and
even after the earthquake. The other group of earthquakes did
not have the ULF signal, because the ULF signal is not natural
to natural earthquakes. It has never been reported for natural
earthquakes. And geoscientists suddenly around the world are
saying "What are these ULF signals, we have never seen
these before. Do you have a comment?"
Dr. Fetzer: I was just going to say that what
you are telling us is that there is a wide range of indications
that all of this is artificial and man-made and no natural phenomena.
L. Moret: Well, let me go a little further,
because it is not just maybe. It is definitely. So
these two scientists are not geoscientists or astrophysicists
or geophysicists. These two scientists are experts at the Wireless
Transmission Institute in Tokyo. [Editor's Note: Advanced
Wireless Communication Research Center (AWCC)?]. And they
did further research with a particular earthquake that had the
ULF transmission before and after the earthquake occurred north
of Tokyo. And so what they did is they separated the transmission
and intensity that changes over time for that portion that was
from the north, the east, the west, and the south. So when they
looked at the four directions, in three of the directions there
was no change over time. But in the fourth direction, there
was almost no transmission until a week or two before the earthquake
occurred, and then the signal built up and peaked on the day
the earthquake happened and it did continue for another week.
But two years later they looked at all four directions, and
three of them had not changed over a two year period, but the
one that had the change in the ULF signal, had gone back --
the ULF signal basically had disappeared two years later. So
what they did is they took this information and they triangulated
back and identified the two transmitters that transmitted the
ULF signal into that earthquake zone, and targeted and triggered
that earthquake. Now what is really interesting is the transmitter
is right in line with Niigata which is another suspected triggered
earthquake at a nuclear power plant which is exactly on the
opposite side of Japan from Fukushima. So Niigata was in 2007
and that was a foreshadowing demonstration for the Fukushima
actual HAARP attack. And then they also showed a map of the
ULF transmitters which are in a network around Tokyo.
Dr. Fetzer: They are in a network around Tokyo?
L. Moret: Yes, and I suspect they are using
them for mind-control also.
Dr. Fetzer: So you are saying the earthquakes
were actually initiated by transmitters located in Tokyo.
L. Moret: Near Tokyo, yes. And then they looked
at the Kobe earthquake which I always said I was very suspicious
of that, because it was used as an excuse to get an international
consortium of countries and scientists to fund an underwater
network of seismic stations around Taiwan and Japan. One of
the seismologists said, "Oh, we know that it is for the
military to spy with, but we don't really care. We get new toys
to study earthquakes with, even though that is the main purpose,
military spying." That is why the Sumatra earthquake was
triggered because there are no underground, underwater seismic
stations anywhere in the Indian ocean and that is the main root
for energy being transported from the Middle East to Asia.
Dr. Fetzer: Really.
L. Moret: Yes, really. So it does look like
countries have these transmitters and they are triggering their
own earthquakes, and it just absolutely confirms that the targeted
civilian population is the new war by their own governments.
And not only that, the last diagram they showed was a map of
Japan, the Philippines, Southeast Asia and Australia and they
identified various earthquakes. Some were natural, some were
ULF-triggered, in the islands between the Philippines and Australia.
And they actually identified the two transmitters. One of them
had been used for the Kobe earthquake. In other words, the Japanese
triggered the Kobe earthquake, and the other transmitter that
had caused these earthquakes in the southeast Asia island arcs,
one was in southern Japan and the other one was on the northwest
coast of Australia. So it is also intergovernmental.
It is two governments working together.
Dr. Fetzer: Those two governments, in this
case being the Japanese and the Australians?
L. Moret: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: And you don't think that there
is an American presence there, that these could be Pentagon
covert ops that are operating out of Japan and Australia?
L. Moret: Oh, well anyone could be doing it.
Who knows who is doing it. You have to get the list of personnel
working there, and then you know. What is really interesting
is the Tromso Norway, the week that they were doing the heating
experiments in the ionosphere, remember that the U.S. and the
Soviet Union covertly developed HAARP together during the Cold
War. And Star Wars national missile defense, ballistic missile
defense, all these slush fund experiments funded by the Congress
were actually the cover story for the development of HAARP.
And it was actually developed at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons
Lab where I worked, and I even have interviewed a physicist
who worked on the HAARP antennae, and he said, "Well, I
never knew what the applications were." He said, "We
were just hot shot PhD's from MIT and Caltech and we just wanted
to do big science, and we did not have any idea what it was
for. But he said "I kind of wondered why it was so well
funded when I found no benefit to the American public out of
the project!" Ha, ha, ha! These scientists -- a lot of
them have no idea. They just have no idea. They don't care.
They just get bigger toys to play with.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, this is very disturbing.
L. Moret: Now let me tell you a little more
about the Tromso, Norway HAARP facility. There were two guest
Russian scientists who were participating in that ionospheric
heating experiment and it had to have been over Japan. The night
that Obama was arriving in Norway at a military base there to
receive his Nobel Prize at the
Karolinska Institute, there was a huge spiral,
it is called the Tromso Spiral, reported over that HAARP facility.
It was reported over in the news and the alternative news. Everybody
was doing interviews about it. Well, the next day Obama received
the Nobel Peace Prize for War. Remember --
Dr. Fetzer: This is one of the great absurdities
in the history of the Nobel Award, I must say.
L. Moret: Right. So anyway that giant spiral
was apparently to anoint the new "Peace is War" Nobel
Dr. Fetzer: I had heard that there had been
a spectacular aural display over Norway at that period of time,
but not --
L. Moret: That's it.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: That's it. And so when I investigated
projects that the Wallenbergs had funded, I discovered that
they have new projects that they are funding, and they are actually
determining the big science projects throughout Europe for the
next 20 years. So it is the bankers who are funding the big
science projects and applications. And these are for their benefit.
They are not for the benefit of the public.
Dr. Fetzer: I am just so stunned by the whole
idea of a depopulation program, and especially on such an enormous
scale as what I am gathering from multiple sources. Ands reducing
the earth's current about six billion to maybe vastly less than
two billion. I mean, two billion would be something, but to
reduce it even more, I have heard a figure as low as 500 million,
which is just staggering.
L. Moret: Well I would like to know where they
are going to bury five billion people over the next two generations.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: That is a lot of fertilizer if you
want to do that with them.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, who is going to till the soil
and tend to the crops and wash the clothes and change the diapers
and do the lube jobs and all the other menial tasks that the
rich count on others to perform for them, and what is going
to happen to the massive economic engine when the demand dwindles
to practically nothing. Because not only is there a very minimal
population remaining, but most of them have no money to spend
for the products that used to be so much in demand and made
the big engines turn because the supply had to be provided for
that demand. It seems to be insane, Leuren.
L. Moret: Well, we are people who live in the
logical world, and what we are dealing with are insane people.
These people are psychopaths. The psychopaths who set up this
depopulation agenda, it started with Malthus in the 1700's,
who was a philosopher and I think he was an academic and a minister.
And he is the one who started the --
Dr. Fetzer: He was a demographer more than
an economist, basically.
L. Moret: Yes, OK. Oh, economist, well that
is the clue right there. He was working for the bankers. And
he is the one who came up with this over population hypothesis
or threat, and there was certainly not one at that time.
Dr. Fetzer: Well Malthus observed that many
more are born live into a population than survive to reproduce.
Darwin would be the one who introduced the concept of natural
selection as a winnowing process that determines who is born
and survives long enough to reproduce, whereas Gregor Mendell
would contribute the concept of genes as being the units of
heredity that make a difference, but where behavior is the level
of selection, because it is really how an individual organism
acts, with a species that are hardwired, where most of their
behavior is instinctual, there is not a lot of latitude for
variation given an environment among the different members.
But for a complex species like human beings, what human beings
undertake on their own initiative or acting on their own beliefs
and motives and so forth to fulfill their preferences can make
a great difference in whether they live or die and survive or
not to reproduce.
L. Moret: Let's go back to Darwin, because
that is the correct link from Malthus to the big, big, big depopulation
eugenics program that came out of the 1800's. And it was Darwin
who came up with the theory of the survival of the fittest.
In universities we call that experience the university experience.
Dr. Fetzer: The university experience. [Laughter].
I love that, Leuren. Listen, we have to take a second break.
Let's do it now, and then we will return to talk about Darwin
and Huxley, I believe, actually introduced the phrase "survival
of the fittest." We'll talk about all that in relation
to the other issues we are discussing here. Jim Fetzer, your
host on the Real Deal with my very special guest today, Leuren
Moret, we'll be right back. [55:40 start of music, ends at 1:01:28]
Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer continuing my
conversation with geoscientist Leuren Moret, talking about the
catastrophe in Japan, but we got into the area of social Darwinism,
as it is known. Roughly speaking, everyone should be coping
for themselves and something like the libertarian nightmare
as some might see it. Personally I believe in the social safety
network that FDR devised which seems to me to be good for human
beings and other living things. But Leuren, you are absolutely
right that it has been perverted politically, and this idea
of the depopulation appears to be a very scary manifestation.
L. Moret: Yes, and there are very deep roots.
Dr. Fetzer: A little hard to hear your voice.
L. Moret: Sorry. Can you hear me now?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, better.
L. Moret: Yes, the roots from Darwin, actually
it was a cousin or relative of his Aldous Huxley who was the
strongest proponent of depopulation throughout his life. And
it is really the Anglo-Dutch monarchies that are leading this
modern effort now for global-depopulation. And Prince Philip
started the world wildlife fund and it was set up to establish
game parks all over Africa and to save endangered animals, but
it is actually a cover story for depopulation. And he turned
it over to Prince
Bernhard, the consort of Queen
Juliana of the Netherlands, and what many people don't know
is that Prince Philip and Prince Bernhard were German Princes
who actually were Nazis, and four of Prince Philips sisters
married top titled Nazi operatives at the highest level. In
fact the wedding to Princess Elizabeth almost didn't happen
because of his strong Nazi German background. And so these are
the roots of the modern eugenics movement in this depopulation
movement. They also started UNSCR,
UNEP, the United
Nations Environmental Program, the IAEA, WHO, ICRP, ---
7 (?Editor: Unintelligible), and the other related organizations
like the UN were all started by them or came out as progeny
of other organizations they started. And Aldous Huxley was always
in charge or president of one of the top eugenics or depopulation
societies until he died.
Dr. Fetzer: That really floors me Leuren because
I had the impression that this guy was a humanist and a pacifist.
He was actually the editor of the magazine Oxford poetry. He
was of course the author of Brave New World. My take
on Aldous Huxley could not be more different.
L. Moret: Yes, I know, they were all involved
with Cecil Rhodes as well. Now there is a very, very profoundly
stunning, and very informative investigation of this whole movement:
The Coming Fall of the House of Windsor
[by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.] and all of this is described and
investigated in detail. It is very, very well researched and
documented, and I recommend it. I will send it to you and you
can read it and post it. It is another horrific discovery or
expose on the level of Dope
Inc [Lyndon H LaRouche; Konstandinos Kalimtgis;
David Goldman; Jeffrey Stienberg].
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren let's get back to Japan.
You have sent me some news clips. Here is one I would like to
get your take on. [Radiation
in Japan: As It Is Being Spread Almot Willfully, The Country
Is Getting Unhinged, ex-skf.blogspot.com, July
13, 2011] "4,320 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive
cesium has been found in beef from the Minamisoma
City, Fukushima: the cattle farm that shipped cows found with
radioactive cesium far exceeding the already loose provisional
safety limit of 500 becquerels/kg is located in the `emergency
evacuation-ready zone' - not even `the planned evacuation zone'
or plain `evacuation zone', both of which do exist in Minami
Soma City." What is going on here? Is this part of the
"eat the contaminated food" that includes the beef?
L. Moret: This is probably one of the most
disturbing things that I encountered. Every day is more stunning
-- I don't know how long I can take these bullets, but this
is a story that broke just before July 12th. And it was in Yokohama
City there was a blog or a discussion list that a city council
member had with his constituents. And constituents were worried
and upset that maybe some of the contaminated food in northern
Japan was being shipped into their city. Well this discussion
went back and forth, and finally a merchant who was a beef seller,
he was contracting for and selling beef, distributing it from
all over Japan, in Yokohama. And he contacted a city council
member and said, "I am going to give you the ID tag for
some of the beef that I have been selling to the school district
and it is coming straight from Fukushima Prefecture. He said,
"I don't think this is right to sell this contaminated
beef to children, and the beef dealers all over Japan were very
happy to do this because they got it very cheap and made huge
profits on it. So they did not care who they were passing the
radiation on to, they were just putting a lot of money in their
Dr. Fetzer: Were these going to McDonalds and
Burger Kings in Japan?
L. Moret: No, these were going to school children
Dr. Fetzer: School children. This is so disgusting,
L. Moret: Pre-school and middle school, high
school, and --
Dr. Fetzer: It is like [? Editor: unintelligible]
-- just because you cook a burger well done does not get rid
of the radioactive contamination.
L. Moret: Well what the city council, the city
government said is "Well, we are going to test the food
in the schools, but we are only testing the food that comes
from our prefecture here in Yokohama. They do not need to test
the Fukushima Prefecture food because they have already tested
it there and they said it is safe.
Dr. Fetzer: How absurd can you get? Somebody
says it is safe. If only that would make food safe, to have
somebody say it is safe.
L. Moret: So what happened is that parents
started sending the lunches and the clean water with the children
to school and the schools took it away, confiscated it, and
forced the children to eat the contaminated meat.
Dr. Fetzer: You are kidding me.
L. Moret: No I am not kidding..
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, this is completely disgusting.
L. Moret: It is beyond disgusting, but it is
exactly what is doing. And then they made the children swim
in the contaminated swimming pools that were full of radiation
from the explosions at Fukushima.
Dr. Fetzer: I can't tell you how contrary this
is to everything I have always believed about the Japanese people
as being very serious, loyal, dedicated, concerned, especially
about their children and families. High degree of familial loyalty.
Belief in a hierarchy, yes. This is just stunning.
L. Moret: Well, it is coming from the top.
So then what the schools did was in order not to waste the swimming
pool water, they used it to water the school gardens.
Dr. Fetzer: Further spreading the contamination.
L. Moret: Yes, it is all spreading it everywhere.
Dr. Fetzer: Is this out of ignorance, Leuren?
Would they know better?
L. Moret: No, no, no. Japan has the highest
food standards in the world, and about ten years ago I read
in the Japan Times that 35 kilograms of Porcini mushrooms
had been shipped to Japan and the customs confiscated them because
they said the cesium levels were too high, they were too radioactive,
and they returned them to the original sender in Italy. Japan
checks everything and I was even in a city government
building in one of the cities that I visited in Japan, and they
actually had a room where citizens could bring food into the
city hall and they could actually measure the radiation levels
in any food that they brought in there. This is ten years ago,
so they are very, very aware of radiation. Customs in Japan
checks all incoming imports, and they are returned if they are
too radioactive. So this is not an accident. This is absolutely
Dr. Fetzer: Is there any level of cesium contamination
that is safe to consume?
L. Moret: There is no level of any radiation
that is safe. It is not safe. It is not safe.
Dr. Fetzer: I assume these mushrooms were dried
mushrooms, and therefore they could transport it back and forth.
L. Moret: Yes, but --
Dr. Fetzer: The cesium levels, whatever they
were, were miniscule compared to what we are getting here.
L. Moret: Oh my God, Busby, Dr. Chris Busby
the low-level radiation expert for the British Government and
the European Parliament has been finding horrendous levels.
Did I tell you about the air filters?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, I want you to tell us about
Chris Busby, who is reporting that Fukushima is worse than Chernobyl
on global contamination, a point you have made many times, but
it is worth repeating.
L. Moret: What he said last night at a public
hearing in Tokyo -- Dr. Busby is in Japan right now, holding
press conferences in public forums and he is going to the Fukushima
area a hundred kilometers from the more radioactive-contaminated
areas. He wants to speak to the citizens there, and he has been
getting air filters sent to him from citizens and groups in
Tokyo. In Chiba,
which is north [east]
of Tokyo, and the Fukushima area which is even more to the north
of Tokyo on the eastern coast of Japan. And last night he reported
that an air filter he examined that had been used for four months
driving between Tokyo and Chiba which is maybe a hundred miles
each way [40
km], he had measured the radiation levels, and also found
out particles in it, and he showed images of alpha tracks from
just one hot particle, and he said that if you know
the volume of the engine, the model of the engine, and the miles
driven, that you can measure the radiation in the air filter
if you know how long it has been used. And you can calculate
the air concentration in the atmosphere. The air that has gone
through that filter, so that you can actually determine how
contaminated the atmosphere was during that period. And what
he said was --
Dr. Fetzer: Sort of like a geological excavation.
L. Moret: Right. So I was really shocked. It
is like what they use around nuclear facilities, except there
is high volume with very, very, very fine filters that can collect
much smaller particles than an air filter. He was just getting
the big chunks in that air filter. And he said that when he
measured the radiation and calculated the volume of air that
had passed through it, he determined that the level of radiation,
the concentration in the atmosphere in Japan in the last four
months was three
[hundred] times higher than during the peak of nuclear bomb
testing in 1963.
Dr. Fetzer: In the United States, yes. You
made that point, it is certainly worth repeating, earlier in
this show. I just opened his interview with Japan's largest
newspapers and of course it is in Japanese. [Laughter].
L. Moret: I am going to get it translated though,
so I will send it to you as soon as it is ready. I have already
sent it to someone to translate for us.
Dr. Fetzer: I take it he is one of the leading
experts on scene, one of the leading experts in the world today
who is on the scene.
L. Moret: So I wanted to go back to finish
the school lunch story.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: On July 9th in Japan a cow, a meat
cow from Menami Soma City which is one of the hot spots, had
2,300 becquerels per kilogram of meat which is five times the
provisional safety limit of 500 becquerels per kilogram. And
what they were feeding the children in the schools was almost
Dr. Fetzer: Yes. It was double the 4,320?
L. Moret: It was double the 2,300.
Dr. Fetzer: I cannot understand how any nation
cannot go out of its way to protect it children, Leuren.
Moret: Well, they did the same thing to the
U.S., so this is nothing new. It is just nothing new. It is
a global depopulation agenda and everything they are doing confirms
Dr. Fetzer: What do you take to be the objective
of the global depopulation agenda.
L. Moret: It is what Prince Philip and what
Prince Bernhard, Aldous Huxley and all of them have been saying
that the world needs to be depopulated. But what they are doing
is they are not just depopulating everyone. They are also culling.
And Prince Philip used that particular word. They are culling
the global population. And what they are culling are troublesome
people like me and you and Dr. Busby and others who are speaking
out against this. Now what is interesting is that they are also
targeting groups of people who have for centuries been humanists.
I read that President Chirac of France began culling Huguenots
or people who their ancestors were Huguenots in France. And
what is interesting is my family are Huguenots, a woman in Texas
I know, her family were Huguenots from Montpellier, and Kevin
D. Annett who has organized a global tribunal. They have already
charged the Pope and Queen Elizabeth with genocidal programs
carried out in the Commonwealth to depopulate areas that have
precious minerals and forest timber and things like that. Also
the Pope is charged with collaboration and cooperation, with
protecting cover-ups of pedophile rings within the Catholic
Church. So I will be testifying at those tribunals. What they
are really targeting are people who are humanists. It is really
the same battle that has been going on forever between people
who want to self-determine and have a democratic form of government
and those who are monarchists who believe they have the Divine
Right to rule over most of the people and there are very few
of them. So they are the ones, like I said, the Wallenbergs
funded the Tromso, Norway HAARP facility. England has HAARP
facilities on Cyprus. Tromso is one of theirs. They have them
in Australia. They have them all over the world.
Dr. Fetzer: Here
is another nice story you let [me see]; "Matsudo City in
Chiba Prefecture found 47,400 becquerels/kg of radioactive cesium
in the ashes from the city’s garbage incinerator, but
the city simply mixed with other ashes with low radiation to
bring the final number to 5,660 becquerels/kg. Since the final
mixed ashes measured LOWER than the provisional limit for burying
the ashes (8,000 becquerels/kg), the city already buried the
ashes and will continue to do so."
L. Moret: Well, the reason they are in there
doing that is because the national government has refused to
do anything to help them, to provide an alternative safe site,
that is lined with plastic or they are just scattering them
all over the land or burying them, and it leaks into the water
table. So it just seems it is very deliberate. Now if the national
government doesn't respond to garbage facilities all over Japan
when they want to know what to do with these ashes that exceed
the government limit, they really have no choice but to dilute
them with other ashes that have much lower levels. The school
lunches in Yokohama, that beef was very contaminated, and because
they have the ID tag number for the beef that had been sold
to the school and consumed by the children, they were able to
trace the origin of that beef to Fukushima Prefecture, and they
sent teams to examine the hay that the cattle had been eating
and it was 70,000 becquerels per kilogram of hay.
Dr. Fetzer: Jeez. Here
is a couple more. "Fukushima Prefecture has announced it
will shut down the official shelters within Fukushima, which
will force the evacuees to go back to their own homes,"
[and] "Minami-Soma City has issued a notice to all 32,000
city residents who have been living in the shelters, temporary
housing outside Fukushima Prefecture that they must return to
Minami-Soma, high radiation or not."
L. Moret: Well it is because professor Shunichi
Yamashita who is a professor of radiation at Nagasaki University,
he also worked for the WHO and the UN so he is a New World Order
scientist. What we call a CIA scientist. He was appointed as
one of two radiation advisors to Fukushima province. And then
he went around, this is what his statements were when he did
a tour of Fukushima initially to introduce himself. He said
to the people in Fukushima "The
effects of radiation do not come to people that are happy and
laughing. They come to people that are weak-spirited, that brood
Dr. Fetzer: He is telling us that whether or
not you are affected by radioactive contamination has to do
with your disposition and whether you are jovial or not?.
L. Moret: Yes, it is a mental problem.
Dr. Fetzer: This is idiotic. This is so unscientific
and propagandistic I can hardly believe it, Leuren.
L. Moret: He also went around the Prefecture
and he told mothers -- even mothers exposed to a hundred millisieverts
-- pregnant mothers, that they would not have any effect. No
health effect from that level of radiation. Remember the number
100 Jim, compared to that, the Soviet Union required a mandatory
evacuation during Chernobyl at 5 millisieverts. This is 20 times
higher, and he is telling pregnant mothers it is safe.
Dr. Fetzer: Stunning. Absolutely stunning.
L. Moret: And what happened is the citizens
were absolutely furious. They just became irate and they demanded
that the prefectural government remove him from that appointed
position. So what happened? He got promoted to vice president
of a university there in Fukushima province, Prefecture, that
has now received -- the Japanese government has funded a 30
year study -- radiation study of citizens in that Prefecture
-- with 1.26 billion dollars.
Dr. Fetzer: This is simply absurd. What are
they going to do? They are going to watch them die?
Moret: They are going to study them. Just like
they studied Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They are still studying
Dr. Fetzer: They are going to watch them die,
L. Moret: Just like they studied Americans.
Dr. Fetzer: These people are not going to live
for 30 years.
L. Moret: No they are not. And in Busby's presentation
last night, he showed the different risk models. The ICRP risk
model, the ECRR risk model, and other risk models and he calculated
from the radiation levels that were reported by the government
in Fukushima Prefecture, that within 50 years, more than 400,000
people will get cancer in that Prefecture, and the ICRP -- the
International Committee on Radiation Protection under the IAEA
-- predicted about 2,500.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, we are going to take our
final break. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal
with my very special guest today, Leuren Moret, talking about
the catastrophe in Japan. We will be right back. [1:25:54
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Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer your host concluding
my conversation with Leuren Moret about the catastrophe in Fukushima
Province that is spreading all over Japan that may even render
the entire set of islands of Japan uninhabitable, eventually.
Leuren, is that a prediction you would support?
L. Moret: Well, apparently they are going --
they are not going to leave. They are going to keep spreading
it all over Japan, the radiation in many different ways. This
is the government doing this. And it is the depopulation of
Dr. Fetzer: It is going to guarantee the death
of people all over the island. I mean if they might have escaped
it otherwise by spreading it like this, they are going to guarantee
that everyone will get taken out.
L. Moret: That is right, but that is what happened
in the U.S. during bomb testing. Everyone in the United States,
300 million people who were living in the U.S. during bomb-testing,
every single person in the U.S. was contaminated internally
with bomb-testing material. And that is what is happening in
Japan. I have the Japanese government vital statistics. It is
in one volume and these are the health statistics collected
in detail by the Japanese government all the way back to 1898
before man-made radiation was introduced into the environment.
So that provides a very detailed, a very, very, very good baseline
of disease rates before and after the miracle of the nuclear
age. And what it shows is a huge increase in chronic illnesses
Dr. Fetzer: Really.
L. Moret: It absolutely correlates with the
introduction of new nuclear technologies. First it was Hiroshima
and Nagasaki. Then it was nuclear bomb testing. They shut that
off and then they turned on the nuclear power plants, and that
radioactive pollution replaced the bomb-testing pollution. Then
it was depleted uranium. And it is all cumulative.
Dr. Fetzer: Of course Chernobyl was in there
L. Moret: And Chernobyl was in there, absolutely.
Dr. Fetzer: You are telling me that nuclear
power plants are emitters of radiation as well?
L. Moret: Oh, you know those big stacks?
Dr. Fetzer: I know them.
L. Moret: Everything that comes out of a nuclear
bomb comes out of those stacks. 1,300 fission products, and
that is in a paper produced by Oak
Ridge nuclear weapons [National] Lab in Tennessee.
Dr. Fetzer: This makes reliance on nuclear
energy simply insane.
L. Moret: Completely insane. And not only that,
what the Japanese government is doing, is they are not reporting
the internal radiation exposure. It is many times higher than
the external. And what they are reporting are the beta emitters.
The beta emitters are cesium and iodine, and they never mention
plutonium or uranium. Those are the alpha emitters. And they
are many, many times more damaging internally than the beta
emitters. So they are really reporting the mouse in the living
room and they are not reporting the elephant in the living room.
Dr. Fetzer: This is staggering. Even Einstein
said that the use of nuclear energy was a very extraordinary
way to boil a cup of water.
L. Moret: That's right. That's right. I wrote
a landmark paper for the Japan Times in 2004. It is
Deadly Game of Nuclear Roulette. And I predicted
that a Fukushima-type disaster in Japan, because the nuclear
power plants are built to withstand a magnitude 7.0 or 7.5 earthquake.
Every five years in Japan there is a magnitude 8.0 earthquake.
Japan is sitting on the junction of four tectonic plates, and
they are all trying to get in the same place under Japan. So
it is a hugely active tectonic zone. The land mass of Japan
of the total global land mass, Japan is less than 1%, it is
a fraction of one percent..
Dr. Fetzer: You mean the habitable area of
Japan is less than 1% of the geographic --
L. Moret: The whole land mass is about 3/10
of 1% of the whole global land mass, yet they have 10% of the
earthquakes in the world.
Dr. Fetzer: It sounds to me as though there
could be an earthquake so catastrophic that it could simply
destroy most of the habitable residences and buildings in Japan.
L. Moret: It has many times.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: It has many times. So they have built
all these nuclear power plants all over Japan. They are all
on the ocean, you know just a few feet above sea level, yet
they have had tsunamis that are 30 and 50 feet, and then they
put the diesel backup power system for the operating system
in the basement of the reactor, and it is probably at sea level.
So these are booby traps. They have 600,000 spent fuel rods
full of all the fission products that come out of a nuclear
bomb, and they are stored in seven pools that are located on
top of the reactors.
Dr. Fetzer: This sounds like the American plan
to stash all our nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain.
L. Moret: Yes, it is the same thing.
Dr. Fetzer: It is volcanic and porous, and
is over an enormous aquifer providing water to southern California.
It is a stunning plan to guarantee the annihilation of most
of California's population.
L. Mo ret: I actually worked as a geochemist
at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab on the Yucca
Mountain and the WIPP
[Waste Isolation Pilot Plant] project in New Mexico, which
was the pilot program for the Yucca Mountain project. And they
have 36 earthquakes a month right at Yucca Mountain because
it is a big fault block. It is faulted on four sides. They have
hot springs under the proposed facility. The rainwater dripped
down through the porous tuff, it is a volcanic rock that is
like sea foam, kind of. Like pumice. And they had to guarantee
that that would be dry and safe for 250,000 years.
Dr. Fetzer: [Laughter] Yeah, right.
L. Moret: That was the requirement of the National
Academy of Sciences. So I was in Nevada at a meeting of an independent
scientific panel called the Nuclear Review Board and this is
twelve independent scientists who reported and made recommendations
to the President and Congress. Impartial. So I was sitting there
and this scientist from Livermore was making a presentation
and he had photos of an underground instrument room in the Yucca
Mountain facility. One of the women engineers stopped him and
said "Could you tell me what all those tarpaulins are over
the instruments?" He said, "Oh, it is to keep the
water off of the instruments. It is dripping from the ceiling.
It's rainwater." And she said, "Like how much."
He said, "Oh, it is about 500 gallons an hour that is coming
into this room." And she said, "Oh, and a letter went
to the President of the United States after this presentation,
after this meeting, and they recommended canning the Yucca Mountain
project." And I think it went to Clinton and he actually
almost completely shut it down. And it has never recovered.
Dr. Fetzer: It was insane to begin with.
L. Moret: It was insane to begin with, and
Dr. Fetzer: From a scientific point of view,
it is completely indefensible to store radioactive waste --"
L. Moret: It was all science fraud. And then
when I was at Livermore, the canisters that they spent $2.5
billion developing these canisters and the repositories. The
canisters that hold nuclear waste had been placed underground
in New Mexico, it is near the Carlsbad Caverns called the WIPP
project. And in the Yucca Mountain facility these were test
storage canisters. And they had low level radioactive waste
like contaminated uniforms and stuff in them, and they brought
the canisters back with to Livermore when I was there. This
was five years after they put them underground. The bacteria
had eaten all the metal canister and left the nuclear waste.
It would be like eating the beer can and leaving the beer.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, which is going to remain in
tact for you to consume.
L. Moret: Well about that time a law suit that
had been filed in Federal court in the District of Columbia
had been going to the courts for twelve years. Finally a judge
ruled and he said to the Department of Energy regarding the
Yucca Mountain project, he said "The National Academy of
Sciences recommended that the waste has to be safe for 250,000
years and you have to guarantee that because of the long-lived
isotopes. And in your presentation to this court, you have only
guaranteed it for 10,000 years," and he said "Not
only that, but your science is totally fraudulent. You have
to throw everything you have done in the last 50 years
in the garbage can and start all over."
Dr. Fetzer: Well this was an unusually erudite
judge who would know these things. I mean this judge was smart
enough to make that kind of ruling is astonishing.
L. Moret: Well, he was very informed. He was
impartial. And he was correct in his assessment.
Dr. Fetzer: There are not a lot of judges like
that around Leuren, I hate to say.
L. Moret: I know.
Dr. Fetzer: It is seemingly fortuitous that
someone of his caliber would be handling this case.
L. Moret: It was fantastic. So, basically that
really was the dagger in the Yucca Mountain Project, but the
terrible problem, just like in Japan, and just like every country
around the world, is that there is no permanent nuclear waste
facility. The Swedes have put it underground in granitic rock,
but we can't do that. We can not put it in any granitic rock,
any crystalline rock, anywhere in the United States, because
most of the nuclear power plants are on the East Coast, and
a Senator did not want all the nuclear waste stored on the East
Coast, and most especially in his state, I think it was Vermont,
and so he passed a law in Congress that no nuclear waste generated
in the U.S. or shipped here can be stored in crystalline rock.
And so they had to go to New Mexico to an underground salt deposit
from an ancient Permian sea. I have pieces of that salt right
here in my room. The New Mexico legislature agreed to allow
that to happen if the Federal government would build an entire
infrastructure of new highways and roads in New Mexico. So the
government Department of Energy started the project and did
the tunneling and the studies and when the roads were completed,
the New Mexico legislature passed a law that no nuclear waste
could ever be transported to New Mexico by roads. And no one
would license flying nuclear waste into New Mexico. And then
they had to start all over again. They said lets put it at the
Nevada test site. It is already moon cratered from 1,300 nuclear
Dr. Fetzer: You are saying the New Mexico legislature
outfoxed the Federal government.
L. Moret: Yes. And the problem, the reason
it ended up in Nevada is because it is called the "Screw
Nevada Bill." The Nevada delegation elected officials in
Congress did not have enough political pull to defeat it in
Congress, so they screwed Nevada and put that site in Nevada.
Dr. Fetzer: Well that was heading for Yucca
Mountain, right. Where is it currently targeted?
L. Moret: No, that was to establish Nevada.
They do not have any alternative. There is no alternative. That
is why we have --
Dr. Fetzer: You know this radioactive waste
is so dangerous, even to transport it is hazardous.
L. Moret: Oh my God, they have been transporting
it in railroad cars, and if you drive by or stand next to a
railroad car, some of these cars, for five minutes you are dead.
And they have lost them! They have lost trainloads of nuclear
waste and they didn't find it for a month! One train load was
parked in Sacramento downtown.
Dr. Fetzer: Oh my God! Were there deaths because
L. Moret: I don't know. I don't know. And another
train load was lost in Texas for two months. So the whole point
is the shoddiness, the fraud. The deception, the lies. The gangsterism.
The precedent already of a eugenics program that is two hundred
years old. There is no way to deny that we are not the target.
The civilians are the target of all of this nuclear material
and nuclear pollution. And John Gofman, Dr. John Gofman who
was at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, in fact he was an
associate head of the whole facility. He was a deputy director,
and he wrote a book Depopulation
Through Nuclear Pollution. He was hired from
UC Berkeley Physics Department and funded to do research on
the biological effects of ionizing radiation. And when he and
Arthur Tamplin started reporting it in international meetings,
they took all their funds away, they burned the house down next
to John Gofman's house. He is a medical doctor and a physicist.
He had two PhDs, and he discovered three isotopes of uranium
for his PhD research.
Dr.Fetzer: He discovered three new isotopes?
L. Moret: Of uranium.
Dr. Fetzer: No kidding, that's amazing. You
could get a Nobel Prize for that.
L. Moret: He should have. And, well, he got
the finger. He got the house next to his burned down as a warning.
He told me that. And so he spent the rest of his life shunned
and isolated, but --
Dr. Fetzer: This is by the nuclear power industry?
L. Moret: By the nuclear establishment.
Dr. Fetzer: The establishment which includes
the military industrial complex.
L. Moret: Yes, and --
Dr. Fetzer: In collusion with the nuclear power
L. Moret: And the medical profession and the
Department of Energy --
Dr. Fetzer: Why would the medical profession
be on the wrong side of this issue, Leuren?
L. Moret: Oh, well, the military and the Atomic
Energy Commission set up the EPA to hide the effects of radiation
from the public. They set up the National Institutes of Health
(NIH), to hide the medical effects of radiation from the public,
and they set up the Centers for
Disease Control.Why are colonels going in and out of the
CDC every day now? It is because of the medical profession in
the U.S. is completely controlled by the military.
Dr.Fetzer: The medical profession is completely
controlled by the military.
L. Moret: In the U.S., completely.
Dr. Fetzer: That is quite a sweeping statement.
I mean it is --
L. Moret: It is completely controlled
by the military, Jim.
Dr. Fetzer: [Laughter] That is a very scary
L. Moret: Do you want me to say it again? I
am going to tell you something. A year before the 2003 Iraq
War, the Pentagon knew they were bombing the whole country into
uranium oblivion --
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: And medical doctors in poor communities
where economic drafting would occur, all over the United States
were visited by Pentagon officials, and the medical doctors
were warned that if they diagnosed anything else except post-traumatic
stress syndrome, in other words, it is all in your head, or
if they spoke to any reporter or revealed anything about the
health problems of returning veterans, or returning soldiers
from the 2003 Iraq War that the doctors would be fined $10,000
to $150,000 and be put in jail for one to ten years.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: Now do you think that the military
controls the medical profession?
Dr. Fetzer: Well this is such blatant fascism
that I cannot believe it.
L. Moret: Well we live in a fascist country.
Dr. Fetzer: Well I think we do, and it is tragic
to see so many signs that all point in the same direction.
L. Moret: Well Aaron Russo made a landmark
documentary film From Freedom to Fascism and they murdered
him. He was assassinated. He was assassinated with CIA cancer.
They killed him. They killed Jacqueline Onassis. She died in
three months from CIA cancer.
Dr. Fetzer: Why did they target Jackie?
L. Moret: Because John, Jr. was going to run
for President. They did not want another Kennedy, a new generation
of Kennedys. And as soon as Ted Kennedy died, his son, just
not very much later, resigned from Congress, or said that he
would not run again. So all the Kennedys are out of Congress
now. That dynasty is finished.
Dr. Fetzer: Well, the John John case is a little
complicated. I had the impression he possibly was going to run
a series of articles that had to do with his father's death
and that was was more -- it never seemed to me that he had any
political aspirations. Not that he couldn't have been elected
to high office. But --
L. Moret: Al Gore asked John Kennedy to come
and visit him. Al Gore had decided to run for President. And
he wanted John Kennedy Jr. to be his Vice President. So John
Kennedy, Jr. went and met with him and he said, "No, I
don't want to be your vice president. I have decided to run
for the Presidency myself."
Dr. Fetzer: It is such an odd situation Leuren
because he really didn't have any qualifications to run for
president, not that many candidates who are running are qualified
to run for President.
L. Moret: Do you think Obama had any qualifications?
Kennedy was much more qualified than Obama. You know who gave
Obama his first $500 million to run for President?
Dr. Fetzer: That is a lot of money, Leuren.
L. Moret: Queen Elizabeth, the crown, funded
Obama's presidential run.
Dr. Fetzer: Wow, that would blow me away.
L. Moret: And --
Dr. Fetzer: Listen, let's just focus for the
last few minutes we have about Japan. "Most people in Japan,"
written, "Cannot fathom how their elected officials
and government workers with high education from distinguished
schools (Tokyo University, Kyoto University, Oxford University…)
could do such things to them. Better wake up really, very quickly.
People say that the Japanese are law-abiding citizens. The Japanese
say that to themselves. The truth, as has been slowly revealed
over the past four months, is that they are followers of the
arbitrary and capricious orders, as long as the orders are given
to them from the government sources. Never mind if those orders
are very much counter to the law itself or the natural law or
the common sense." It is a very disturbing situation you
L. Moret: Well, the Japanese have been conditioned
to obey authority figures, government figures, academic figures.
And the problem, the biggest problem in every country are the
academic flunkies who -- the goyo gakusha who spread
the word, who justify the technology, who sell the science and
the technologies to the public. Those are the real problem.
But the universities were funded and started by the bankers.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, I have got to tell you,
it is really stunning when I have you on. I can't say it is
uplifting, but it sure is disturbing, and I can't thank you
enough for all the good work you are doing.
L. Moret: Jim, Jim, just think of it as how
"liberating" it is. It is liberating. It is devastating
to people's belief systems. But their belief systems are based
on fraud. It is not reality. I am a scientist. All I am doing
is reporting what I observe and what I know through my own critical
thinking is correct.
Dr. Fetzer: You are doing a great job of it
and I can't thank you enough. This is Jim Fetzer, your host
on the Real Deal, thanking my very special guest today Leuren
Moret for being here, and all of you for listening [1:56:46].
[Editor's Note: The following are some additional
references that I have come up with that may help the reader
in researching various topics discussed by Leuren Moret and
Energy Weapons, targetedindividualscanada.wordpress.com
Secret Use Of Microwaves By British Police And Army
by Tim Rifat, Introduction by Ivan Fraser, Rense.com "
The author of these articles, Tim Rifat, is
Europe's foremost independent author and scientist specializing
in psychotronics, the use of biophysical and electronic technology
to influence and kill the human organism; his forthcoming book:
Remote Viewing, gives hints of the breakthroughs he has made
in the physics of psy-warfare.
The history of mind control at a distance, remote mind control
technology (RMCT) begins in America with the research of Dr
Ross Adey and his colleagues in the late '60's, working on the
CIA-funded Pandora Project. Adey found that ELF (extremely low
frequency) signals on the region of 1-20 Hz (with 0.1 increments
having different effects), had bioactive and psychoactive effects.
The research was important to the CIA for they wished to find
frequencies which could mind control humans from a distance
(RMCT). Pandora researchers discovered that the 6-16 Hz region
had drastic effects on brain and on nervous and endocrinal systems.
This could enable major dysfunction in the target victim if
research on cats and monkeys could be duplicated - the research
on human victims still remains classified.
A major problem was that ELF transmissions need vast antennae
arrays; Adey's research showed that pseudo-ELF, caused by pulse
or amplitude modulated microwave, UHF or RF carrier waves at
ELF frequencies not only duplicated the psycho- and bioactive
effects of ELF, but due to the highly penetrative effects of
S-band microwaves (low frequency microwaves) or UHF and RF these
combined to have a synergistic effect (especially microwaves)
in disrupting biochemical function to amplify the effects of
pseudo-ELF. In layman's terms, microwave and pseudo-ELF were
more effective at mind control than pure ELF. RMCT, the means
of mind controlling and slowly killing victims using pseudo-ELF
- that is amplitude or pulse modulation of microwaves, UHF or
RF - at ELF frequencies was born.
This was developed into a whole array of weapons systems based
on the dramatic effects of pseudo-ELFs on mind controlling,
elctro-chemically zombifying or inducing cancer in victims.
ELF or pseudo-ELF was also found to be able to cut or damage
DNA, which partially explains the carcinogenic effects of pulse
or amplitude modulated microwave, UHF or RF.
In Britain, microwave is defined as between 300 MHz to 300 GHz,
or in USA terms above 1 GHz.
Ross Adey's research was done on 450 MHz carriers used to broadcast
pseudo-ELFs via pulse or amplitude modulation, his colleagues
carried out the same research at 147 MHz (these frequencies
have been defined as UHF and VHF respectively in US terms).
This research allows the weaponisation of any microwave, UHF
or RF transmitter, if pseudo-ELF could be induced upon it by
pulse or amplitude modulation at ELF frequency. The new science
of RMCT spawned a new range of EM weapons to mind control and
murder by use of pseudo-ELF.
For a specific example, the new TETRA system which will be used
by the police and emergency services in the UK for communication,
uses between 380 and 400 MHz, which is switched on and off at
such a pulse rate that a pseudo-ELF of 17.6 Hz (17.6 times per
second) is produced. this means the brain and nervous system
are hit by pulses of UHF (USA terms) microwave (UK terms) every
1/17.6th of a second. This is rather like electrochemical hammer
blows to the head at a rate of 17.6 every second. Some of us
find hammer drills irritating to listen to, imagine 17.6 hammer-like
blows being delivered to the nervous and endocrinal system,
at a cellular level - might this not have a disruptive effect
on the organism? Since the cells communicate to each other in
the ELF range, these hammer-like blows of pseudo-ELF disrupts
and derange cellular activities, leading to dysfunction, behavioural
changes and onset of carcinogenic proteins which can lead to
the organism developing tumours.
Mass UK Mind Control Technology Now A Reality
The UK Government is now spending £2.5 million to fully
implement a nation-wide deployment of CIA mind-control technology.
The TETRA system pulses at 17.6 Hz broadcast at 400 MHz which
is essentially the Pandora Project funded by the CIA in the
late '60s and early '70s. Dr Ross Adey, the chief researcher
on the Pandora Project has released a video to leading UK researchers
which proves that not only does the TETRA system cause ELF zombification
by massive release of calcium ions in the cerebral cortex and
the nervous system, but the activated calcium ions also cause
massive hormonal disturbances which lead to frenzied imbalances,
emotional and physical states...
MIND CONTROL by Tim Rifat
INTELLIGENCE FORCES AND MICROWAVE MIND CONTROL
As a scientist researching into microwave weapons
used on the general public, evidence that the GM900 microwave
network as used by Vodaphone and British Telecom, is a major
health hazard, has come to my attention. Defence Intelligence
Agency (DIA) documents entitled: Biological Effects Of Electromagnetic
Radiation (Radiowaves and Microwaves) Eurasian Communist Countries,
show that microwave frequencies similar to those of the cellular
phones can cause health problems in the following areas:
* Cardiovascular System.
* Central Nervous System.
* Digestive System.
* Visual System.
* Internal Sound Perception.
Equipment to test the frequency and intensity
of microwave phones shows that they produce signals similar
to microwave ovens. Two Vodaphone cellular phones were producing
100mW/cm2 and 50 mW/cm2 respectively. The danger level for microwave
ovens is 5mW/cm2 and the Russians regularly used 10 mW/cm2 for
weapon research. These Vodaphones will therefore cause significant
health problems if used. A variety of cell phones can be tested
to see how dangerous they are.
The GM1800 system used by Orange uses higher
frequency microwaves. Australian scientists found this caused
cancer in mice exposed to radiation of this type. The documents
in my possession show that microwaves pass deeply into the body
and can have a negative effect on the brain and body.
The DIA research dates from 1976 and shows the
dangers were known about over twenty years ago. The Soviets
used the frequencies and intensities used by mobile phones,
1800 MHz and 900 MHz, as weapons. It is a rule of the intelligence
community that you hide things in plain view, getting the public
to accept microwave mind control weapons which effect their
behaviour under the guise of mobile phones was a stroke of genius.
Getting the public to pay for these microwave mind control devices,
so their brains and behaviour can be damaged, to make them more
docile and easy to control, was pure diabolical genius.
UK INTELLIGENCE FORCES AND MICROWAVE MIND CONTROL
Microwave weapons that turn people into stressed,
confused, submissive zombies are being used in Britain's inner
cities. Developed by the communists, microwave weapons similar
to microwave ovens have since the 1980s, been targeted on inner
city council estates. These weapons transmit extremely low frequency
(ELF) signals which mimic natural brain waves; at the flick
of a switch, all the people around these microwave transmitters
are turned into submissive zombies who cannot think clearly,
become depressed, apathetic and want to lounge around all day
doing nothing: the inner city malaise found on Britain's streets.
With the advent of new ELF detectors designed by the author's
research teams, the mass mind control of the metropolitan UK
population can be proved. ELF signals are officially only found
at nuclear submarine communication stations, so the researchers
were shocked to find microwave and UHF, mind control signals
in city centres, the author's flat, being sent through mobile
phones, the BT telephones and from the numerous transmitters
that dot the country.
The massive increase in mobile phones has enabled
the UK security forces to use this network of transmitters to
beam mind control signals into the brains of anyone living near
these transmitters. Microwave phones use pulse modulated microwaves
of the correct intensity to pass through the skull into the
brain and control behaviour. Microwave transmitters are therefore
the perfect medium for the transmission of ELF signals to mind
control the UK population...