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The Real Deal
Dr.
James Fetzer
Interview with
Dr. Chris Busby
and Leuren Moret
Fukushima
Radiation and
Uranium Weapon Update
Friday, 28 October 2011
Editor's
Note: This transcription provided by William B. Fox,
Publisher, America First Books is reasonably but not totally
accurate for false flag research purposes. The first hour transcript
was prepared by William Fox, and the second hour transcript
was a joint effort by Jeannon Kralj (base draft), William Fox
(second draft) and Dr. Busby (his review). Photographs and captions
for the second half provided by Leuren Moret.
Dr. Fetzer introduction
at Veterans Today
under the title for hour one: Catastrophic
Effects of Radiation Contamination and
hour two: New
Bombs and War Crimes in Fallujah:
On
Friday, 28 October 2011, it was my honor to host Leuren Moret
and Christopher Busby as my guests on “The
Real Deal”, an internet radio program broadcast on
M/W/F from 5-7 PM/CT over revereradio.net.
Leuren
Moret is an independent geoscientist who has done expert studies
on the Fukushima disaster, radiation problems around the world
including depleted uranium.
Dr.
Christopher Busby is a visiting biomedical studies professor
at the University of Ulster and is the co-author of reports
about the effects of depleteed uranium in Iraq especially in
relation to Fallujah.
What
Busby found much to his surprise was not DU but enriched uranium
instead, which supports the inference that
new bombs are being used to commit war crimes in Iraq. As
though that revelation was not disturbing enough, the first
hour was devoted to an explanation of the catastrophic effects
of radiation contamination enveloping the world and threatening
the survival of our species.
These
discussions are not for those who are weak of heart. As the
following transcript–enhanced with diagrams and charts
that demonstrate how truly horrific are the consequences of
global contamination by radiation–explains, those who
have been in charge of the fates of our nations appear to have
been massively ignorant of their genetic effects and of the
consequences of the future successful reproduction of Homo sapiens.
I
say with a heavy heart that the situation is more than dire
and that we may well have passed the point of no return. For
those of us with children and grandchildren, what life they
have ahead of them may dwarf any of the catastrophes of the
past.
I
want to take this opportunity to thank Major William Fox, USA
(ret.) [Editor's Note: Actually former USMCR, not retired],
a former intelligence officer who publishes americafirstbooks.com,
who spent a great deal of time and effort making sure that this
interview would come to pass. I also want to add a personal
note of appreciation to Bill, since he also published my first
political article, “9/11
and the Neo-Con Agenda”.
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The Real Deal Radio Show (October 28,
2011)
Host: Jim Fetzer: James Fetzer Ph.D.
Guests:
Dr. Busby: Christopher Busby, Ph.D.
Leuren Moret: Leuren Moret, B.S., M.A., PhD (ABD)
Hour One (transcribed by William Fox)
Images and captions courtesy of Leuren Moret |
Transcript
Dr.
Fetzer:
This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal, with my very
special guest for the first hour, Leuren Moret who is an independent
geoscientist who has done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster,
radiation problems around the world including depleted uranium.
And we will be joined in the second hour by professor Christopher
Busby who is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the
University of Ulster and who has done two reports about depleted
uranium and problems, genetic and otherwise in Iraq. Leuren,
it is a great pleasure to have you back on this show again.
Leuren Moret: Thank you very, very much, Jim.
I appreciate all of the very hard work that you have
done, and the tremendous effort you have made to bring truth
to the public. It is really is a great service to humanity.
Dr. Fetzer: Well those are very kind words,
Leuren. I have been especially glad to have the privilege to
feature you in discussing this catastrophe in Fukushima which
seems to me to have dimensions that really have not begun to
be appreciated by the American public in part because of suppression
in the major media, which of course should at this point in
time come as no surprise to any of us.
L. Moret: Right.
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FIG. 1: RADIATION RELEASES FROM FUKUSHIMA
MARCH 26: The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) program
at Cologne Univ.
Germany,
reported releases daily through July 31, 2011, when nearly
all reporting was shut down globally. This shut down coincided
with the transport of the molten nuclear reactor fuel reaching
the groundwater below the reactor buildings, causing continual
releases into the ocean and the atmosphere that will not end
in our lifetime. This map indicates that heavy contamination
(depending on rainfall) occurred in the Aleutian Islands,
Arctic Ocean, west coast of N. America (including Mexico),
and split into two plumes - that traveled into the mid-Pacific
to Hawaii and Guam – or turned east across the U.S.
and Canada crossing the Atlantic and moving into the Mediterranean
and Middle East. This will result in contamination of the
northern hemisphere and more slowly the global biosphere.
Source: Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT)
program, Cologne Univ., Germany.
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Dr.
Fetzer: Please do bring us up to date on the latest results,
Leuren, how serious this has become, and the kinds of hazards
to health here in the United States and around the world represented
by this disaster.
L. Moret: Well there is a very, very interesting
report now based on data from the Centers
for Disease Control, and at the Centers for Disease Control,
which is in Atlanta, Georgia, and it is a U.S. Government agency.
Every county in the United States, and in particular they analyze
data as a sample for the U.S. on 129 cities. So every county,
and cities also, report data and the states, to the Centers for
Disease Control every week. And that is change in demographics.
In other words the number of new births, the numbers of infant
mortality, or deaths of babies born per 1,000 or 100,000, the
causes of death, the number of deaths, and other data like that,
also diseases. So based on the data that has been tallied or reported
by the Centers for Disease Control, as of September 3, 2011, and
beginning March 13, 2011, in that period, we have had excess unexplained
deaths, an increased death rate in the United States, which varies
by state and by region, but Centers for Disease Control has reported
34,129 excess deaths in the United States including 129 cities,
and that is basically unexplained compared to one year ago with
corrections made for migration of population or different changes.
So there is no reasonable explanation for such a large and very
alarming increase in death rates, which in some regions, for instance
the mountain region, from Montana to the border of Mexico, it
includes Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New
Mexico. They had a 9.1% increase in death rates as of September
3rd since the Fukushima disaster. And the radiation levels in
the environment, and the increase in death rates and diseases
from the radiation exposure are based on weather and on geography.
So in areas that are mountainous, they will have very high rainfall
and rainout of radiation into the environment and so in this mountain
region the death rate has increased 9.1 percent, or it is actually
a total of 7,723 deaths in 8 states. That is almost a 1,000 deaths
per state. |

FIG.
2: SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN EXCESS DEATHS SINCE 3/13/11: Data
from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported March 13-
Sept. 3, 2011, shows increasing excess deaths for nearly all
regions of the US. This very high increase in acute deaths throughout
the US, that increases every week, can only be explained by
regional environmental contamination from the Fukushima nuclear
disaster in Japan. Increases in infant mortality range from
35-45% or higher, and is not included in the map data.
Source: Bobby1, “Post-Fukushima
Excess Deaths in US Updated for Sept. 3”
[http://freepdfhosting.com/2b6c39b50b.pdf]
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FIG.
3: STRONTIUM-90 IN RAINFALL IN NEW YORK CITY: Measured month
by month during heavy bomb testing in the US, 1954-1959. The
strong seasonal effect causes higher radiation levels during
early spring rain and change of seasons. The largest number
of new cases of diabetes and autism are diagnosed in the first
few weeks of the rainy season, due to higher exposure levels
to the population. This is a global phenomenon.
Source: J.M. Fowler Ed., Fallout: A Study of
Superbombs, Strontium 90, and Survival, Basic Books, (1960),
Fig. 5.
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Dr.
Fetzer: That is really rather startling, Leuren, and
would it be that the geographical proximity of these regions in
relation to the way in which the pollution is being distributed
by the various forces that are affecting it, including of course
the wind, atmosphere, and so forth at different levels of the
stratosphere are causing or creating a pattern that looks highly
consistent with what one would expect from radiation contamination
from Fukushima? |


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FIG.
4: FISSION PRODUCT CIRCULATION AND DEPOSITION: Left –
Global pole to pole circulation of nuclear bomb test fission
products injected high into the atmosphere. Only 15% of the
radiation released was deposited in the environment (right),
the rest is still circulating slowly in the upper atmosphere.
The deposition of Strontium-90 and 1300 associated fission
products (right) from pole to pole, indicates much higher
deposition in the latitudes of the northern hemisphere where
the bomb tests occurred, indicating the main circulation was
from west to east by the high altitude Jet Stream (polar jets
7–12 km (23,000–39,000 ft) above sea level and
subtropical jets at 10–16 km (33,000–52,000 ft).
Because of heating at the equator causing expansion of the
troposphere upward, carrying fission products to higher altitudes
and diluting radiation concentration by expansion, rather
than being rained out at the equator, the lowest deposition
of fission products occurred in the equatorial regions. Nuclear
tests in the southern hemisphere, by France and the UK, caused
an increase in deposition of Strontium-90 and associated fission
products in the southern hemisphere, but it was far less than
north of the equator.
Source: J.M. Fowler Ed., Fallout: A Study of
Superbombs, Strontium 90, and Survival, Basic Books, (1960),
Fig.4.
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Leuren
Moret: Yes, and if this was a nuclear bomb test, the
rainout of the radiation would be much lower, because a nuclear
bomb test injects the radiation very high into the atmosphere.
That big mushroom cloud and explosion shoots that radioactive
material from the bomb very high up into the atmosphere where
circulation is very slow. And so in the mesosphere
and the ionosphere,
which are above the troposphere, the troposphere is from the ground
up to maybe 50 miles or something like that, that is the top of
the troposphere. But the troposphere is the most dynamic part
of the atmosphere. It is where all the storms and hurricanes and
rain and snow, will snow out any [radioactive] pollution. |

FIG.
5: DEPOSITION OF DU IN LOS ANGELES DRINKING WATER FROM THE BATTLEFIELDS
OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN 1999-2008
Source: Leuren Moret, May 5, 2010, data from
Los Angeles Department of Water and Power.
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Leuren
Moret: And that is why in a city where they have a pollution
problem like Mexico City or Los Angeles, or maybe Bakersfield
in Southern California, after a rain it rains out all of that
pollution out of the air very efficiently, and snow removes 95%
[most efficient scavenger of radiation from the atmosphere] of
the highly charged radioactive particles from the air. So the
best place to be when there is a lot of radiation released into
the troposphere – in other words it floats up from nuclear
power plants that release it every day, or it floats up into the
troposphere and it is picked up by air currents from a battlefield,
or this disaster in Japan from Fukushima, is the same thing as
releasing 300 times more radiation [measured at peak levels in
Japan] than Chernobyl, or 1,000 times [measured at UK govt. radiation
lab at Harwell in 1963 at the peak of atmospheric testing] more
than from atmospheric testing. |

FIG.
6: COMPARISON OF CHERNOBYL AND FUKUSHIMA RADIATION PLUME: The
global fission product contamination plume aerial distribution
from Chernobyl (left) compared to the Fukushima radiation plume
and contamination levels (right) in North America. Nuclear explosions
and accidents that occur on the ground and are picked up by
air currents in the troposphere, result in much higher rainout
of the nuclear materials into the environment, a much more efficient
form of nuclear war, and conveniently everyone thinks it’s
an accident. Compared to bomb testing, which resulted in environmental
deposition of only 15% of the radiation created by bomb tests
in a period of 65 years, with Chernobyl, depleted uranium, and
Fukushima, 95% of the radiation and aerosols will be rained
out of the troposphere in 2 ½ months. Even more alarming
is that the comparison of peak Japanese radiation releases from
Fukushima, were at least 300 times higher than from Chernobyl,
as estimated by Dr. Chris Busby, a British radiation expert.
The fact that the US military is synchronizing the peak bombing
campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan with the summer monsoon rainy
season since 2003, indicates that depleted uranium is being
used as a military depopulation agent in the Middle East, Africa,
SE Asia, Central Asia, Asia, and beyond.
Source (left): Vostok
Project, http://vostokproject.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/ultimos-modernos-volumenes-bajo-la-luz-a-las-sombras-de-chernobyl/
Source (right): Institut de Radioprotection et de sureté
nucléaire (ICRN), “Simulations
of the atmospheric dispersion of the radioactive plume formed
by the ejecta from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant
since [March] 12”, March 19, 2011.
http://www.irsn.fr/FR/Actualites_presse/Actualites/Pages/20110319_simulation_dispersion_panache_radioactif.aspx |
Leuren
Moret: Now during bomb testing only 15% of all that
radioactive material has actually been deposited on the earth
in the environment. Most of it, 85% of it, is still up there,
moving around slowly in the ionosphere and the mesosphere. So
this [Fukushima, Japan, March 11, 2011] is a very acute exposure
compared to nuclear bomb testing, the nuclear bomb test era.
But it is much more similar to the very acute exposure that
people receive who live within a hundred miles of nuclear power
plants. |

FIG. 7: NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS AND BREAST CANCER: High-risk counties
(left) within 100 miles of nuclear reactors (at nuclear power
plants, nuclear weapons labs, and small research reactors) where
2/3 of breast cancer deaths occurred 1985-1989. Nuclear power
plant (right) locations in the U.S.
Source (left): J. Gould, The Enemy Within: The
High Cost of Living Near Nuclear Reactors, Four Walls Eight
Windows, NY/London (1996), p.187.
Source (right): “The Madness of Nuclear Energy”,
The Ecologist, Vol. 29 No. 7, November 1999, back cover.
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Dr.
Fetzer: Let me ask you this, Leuren. Are the [excess]
deaths that are being recorded here [in the US], , do they fall
into a pattern that would suggest who is most vulnerable to
the effects of this kind of pollution or contamination?
Leuren Moret: Yes, yes. In this kind of an
exposure, an acute exposure like this, which is… we are
inhaling it – that is the worst exposure of all, is inhaling
nanoparticles [0.1 microns and smaller] of radioactive material,
because 70% of those very tiny particles go right through the
blood-lung barrier into the blood, and cholesterol and lipids
in the blood pick up those radioactive particles and hide them.
They
mask them from the body’s defenses and they are carried
by the lipids and cholesterol right through the cell walls into
the most intimate parts of the cell, and that [the cell] has
to function properly in order for life to go on normally. And
when that radiation gets into the cells, and is filtered out
in the tissues of the body – the muscles and everything,
it just completely destroys a person’s health.
It
may be slowly, it may be very rapidly, but people today, many
of these people who died in that total death count of 34,129
people [March 13-September 3, 2011] are people whose health
was already marginalized and compromised by previous disease,
or what they had inherited as their health future and their
health history from their own parents, and grandparents, and
families. So, the weaker people, are the ones who die first.
They
die almost immediately. And… winter is coming now, so
there is always a big die-off of elderly, or people in the winter
time, who just do not have a strong enough immune system to
fight off flu, or colds or pneumonia, so they die… especially
in the winter period.
But
this radiation can cause them to die in low death rate periods,
like the summer or a warm spring, or a warm fall. So we are
seeing, what basically are the effects of nuclear war on a civilian
population, without anyone in America hardly even knowing it.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, this is heart-wrenching…
very profoundly disturbing. Are we seeing a similar pattern
along the Pacific Coast and are the effects much more attenuated
as you move across the continent.
Leuren Moret: Well… the Centers for Disease
Control divides the United States into regions. And so the Pacific
Region is where I am living, and that includes Washington, Oregon,
California, Alaska, and Hawaii.
And
the Centers for Disease Control have determined that there has
been a 3.5% increase in deaths in those five states as of September
3, 2011, compared to one year ago for the same time period,
March 13th through September 3, 2010. And that amounts to 6,716
deaths. So it is a lower percentage increase than the Mountain
Region, but it is almost the same number of deaths.
Dr. Fetzer: Could the mountain region have
a higher percentage by virtue of its greater elevation?
Leuren Moret: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: Altitudinally?
Leuren Moret: Yes. The death rate is higher
in the Mountain Region because the rain and snow are causing
more radiation to be rained out, and deposited, in drinking
water and food supplies, and just in the general environment.
So the death rate is higher, and that death rate that is higher,
reflects a higher radiation exposure.
The
actual number of deaths may be very close [to the Pacific Region],
but the death rates are really different between Mountain [9.1%]
and Pacific [3.5%]. And that is because the Pacific region has
a much higher population.
The
3.5% of a much higher population [Washington, Oregon, California,
Alaska, and Hawaii] is 6,716 deaths, but 9.1 % of the Mountain
Region [Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona
and New Mexico], which is eight states, is 7,723 deaths because
they have a much lower population in that region although it
is a larger physical area.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course the rate is higher
because of the geographical circumstances, the degree of exposure,
how much of this…
Leuren Moret: That’s right.
Dr. Fetzer: This contamination is reaching
that sparser population with a greater causal efficacy in bringing
about these serious health problems and death.
Leuren Moret: That’s right. Now the West
North Central region is North Dakota, Minnesota on the Canadian
border, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, and Missouri.
That has a low death rate, 2.7 percent, which is because it
is more to the east of the mountainous region and so there is
lower rainfall [and snowfall] and not such high mountains, as
the Colorado Rockies, which extend from the whole width from
the Mexican border into Canada.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, yes.
Leuren Moret: The East North Central region,
which is only five states, is Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio,
and Michigan, and that death rate is 3.7 percent, which is 6,513
deaths.
The
New England states are Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts,
Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Vermont, and that region has
a 3% death rate, which is surprising because it is so far east,
but they have higher rainfall. And that represents 1,725 deaths
because New England is only about the size of Washington State.
It is much smaller even than California… half the size
of California.
Dr. Fetzer: And when you say 3%, you really
mean a 3% increase in the death rate.
Leuren Moret: Yes, a 3% increase in the death
rate [March 13 –Sept. 3, 2011], but the total actual number
of deaths is 1,725, because they have a smaller geographical
area and lower population.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course drawing the inference
that this increase in the death rate is proximally caused by
contamination from the Fukushima disaster, we are making the
assumption that other factors that might possibly affect the
death rate have remained approximately constant across time.
Leuren Moret: That’s right. Surprisingly,
West South Central, which is Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana,
and Texas, has a relatively high death rate. It is 4.9%. And
it is surprising because Texas is very dry, so is Oklahoma.
And so you would have low rainout, especially since they had
a drought the whole summer [of 2011] in Texas. A very severe
drought, and yet 8,730 deaths occurred.
That
is the highest number of absolute deaths in any region in the
U.S., but for that population in that region, it is only a 4.9%
increase in death rates. But that is really very alarming in
such a short period of time [March13-Sept 3, 2011]. That is
very significant.
Dr.
Fetzer: And I suppose we don’t have data for
Canada, or for Mexico, or other regions that are going to be
affected here. Is this by and large incidentally, Leuren, going
to be a northern hemisphere phenomenon, that by virtue of the
physics of air currents and so forth, that the exposure to contamination
of the southern hemisphere of the globe, is going to be considerably
reduced?
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FIG.
8: NORTH ATLANTIC FISHING CATCH: The Norwegian fishing catch
from 1955 to 1968, shows that a very large 50% decline in 8
years (1955-1963), and over-recovery (1963-1968) occurred in
ten years between 1956 and 1966. This occurred during the period
of heaviest atmospheric testing in Nevada, when the radioactive
debris drifted north-east across the United States and the North
Atlantic where it was heavily rained out, giving the highest
concentrations of Strontium-90 in the milk for Iceland and Norway
among 11 European Countries.
Source: Sternglass, E.J., “Fallout
and Reproduction of Ocean Fish Populations”, unpublished
Oct. 8, 1971.
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/Fallout-Fish-Sternglass8oct71.htm
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Leuren
Moret: Well it is a good thing we have an ocean between
us and Japan, because there has been a high rainout of the Fukushima
radiation, escaping from the northeast coast of Japan, before
it reaches Alaska, and the Pacific Northwest.
So
the death rates, from the radiation rainout, would be even higher
if we did not have that ocean between us that has helped to dilute
the amount reaching the West Coast of North America. However,
it is still there. And it is all the way up to the top of the
troposphere, into the mesosphere, and it travels in very different
directions, depending on the altitude.
The
air currents all move in different directions. So it is really
spreading it all over the Arctic. It is across the Northwest Territories
[Canada], and across Canada. They have a very, very high increase
in death rates in the Toronto area. And I know that… I watched
the [Fukushima radioactive] plumes traveling across North America,
on the Cologne University Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty [CTBT]
Monitoring Program [website].
They
had animated plume maps that were for about four days [each],
showing the radiation coming in significant concentrations…
coming across the Pacific and then going across North America.
Then it split.
Some
of it went across the Arctic and the Northwest Territories and
Canada, and then came down the central Atlantic, contaminating
Greenland and Iceland. But when it reached Scandinavia, it changed
direction, and it went directly east across Scandinavia and the
Baltic States into Russia.
The
other plume, that split off over Alaska, came down the West Coast
of North America and traveled across parts of the United States.
A lot of it went across the Southern states. And then it also
split off [from the southern coast of] California, and part of
it was carried by ocean currents [south into Mexico].
The
air [circulation] moved with the ocean currents out into the Pacific,
and caused very high contamination of Hawaii, and Guam, and islands
in the central Pacific. So it is really, really, really affecting
eastern Asia, especially Japan, and North America, and then the
Pacific region… islands in the Pacific. The radiation exposure
is much lower in Europe, because it has to travel across another
ocean, the Atlantic ocean, and there is more rainout there because
there are a lot of storms and hurricanes and rain over the ocean.
But
of course it is going right into our food supply. So the Pacific
fishing catch is not edible. People should not be eating fish
out of the north Pacific at all. And that is really a tragedy
because most of the salmon for the world, much of it comes from
the Alaska salmon fisheries, which is absolutely huge. |

FIG.
9: CALIFORNIA CATCH FROM THE CENTRAL & SOUTH PACIFIC:
In 1971, radiation specialist Dr. Ernest Sternglass, determined
that nuclear fallout was the dominant ocean pollutant during
the years of bomb testing (1947-1963) primarily by the nuclear
superpowers the US, Soviet Union, and UK. The 65% decline
was not reversed after the 1963 Partial Test Ban Treaty ending
US, Soviet Union and UK bomb tests, because France and China
continued tests until 1993. Dr. Sternglass was able to estimate
that the deposition of just 250 Curies of Sr-90 and 1300 associated
fission products from nuclear tests, caused a 1% reduction
in the California fishing catch. In other words, 0.1 kilo
Curies of Sr-90 led to a 1% reduction in the fish population
for every 2.5 kilotons equivalent of fresh fission products
released into the ocean. This is 2000 times less than total
yield for typical warheads (such as “Canikin”)
that were tested for anti-ballistic missile systems. Dr. Sternglass
concluded:
“Thus,
although a leak into the fishing grounds of the North Pacific
is regarded as unlikely, the consequences of even a small
escape of radioactivity localized as it would necessarily
be, unlike in the case of an upper stratospheric detonation
of such a warhead, could be of disastrous consequences both
for the fishing industry and the fish and wildlife of the
entire Northern Pacific.”
Source:
Sternglass, E.J., “Fallout
and Reproduction of Ocean Fish Populations”, unpublished
Oct. 8, 1971. http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/Fallout-Fish-Sternglass8oct71.htm
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Dr.
Fetzer:
Oh Leuren, this is shattering news. My wife and family, for example,
have been avoiding consuming shrimp from the Gulf of Mexico because
of the BP disaster there, but now you are suggesting that fish
even from the North Pacific, is also contaminated.
That’s
absolutely shocking. And to the best of my knowledge there have
been no health hazard warnings issued in the United States whatsoever,
about these problems, as enormous and extensive as they are.
Leuren Moret: Well, the politicians, and the
government officials, and even academics, are complicit in this.
And I just would like to point out that in May [2011], Secretary
of State Hillary Clinton, signed an agreement with the Prime Minister
of Japan, to continue importing food, untested, from Japan…
for American consumption.
Dr. Fetzer: What in God’s name is going
on there Leuren? Leuren, this is so irresponsible. I mean you
know… I have viewed Hillary Clinton in various ways at various
times, sometimes with great admiration, but this is a villainous
act.
This
is a form of treachery in my opinion. This is utterly irresponsible.
This Hillary Clinton thinks she can intuit the safety level of
food being imported from an area that has been subjected to vast
nuclear contamination?
Leuren Moret: Well there was a ban on Japanese
food imports following the March 11, [2011], Fukushima disaster.
But by May, two months later, or two and a half months later,
that ban was lifted by Hillary Clinton, and that agreement was
signed to import and not
test Japanese food [for radiation].
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, we are going to have to take
our first break on this dismal note. I cannot begin to express
the emotions that I am feeling in hearing all of this. We’ll
be right back, Jim Fetzer, with my special guest the first hour,
Leuren Moret. We are going to be joined by Dr. Christopher Busby
during the second hour. We’ll be right back.
FIRST BREAK
Dr. Fetzer:
This is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The Real Deal”,
continuing my conversation with Leuren Moret about Fukushima
and other disasters around the world. Leuren, I have a new report
here, dated October 25, [2011], stating “No one died
from radiation exposure at Fukushima says top U.S. nuclear regulator.”
His
name is Gregory
Jaczko, Chairman of the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission (NRC), speaking at the White House.
And he says, and this is quoting him, “What we know
right now, there have been no fatalities we are aware of, that
are directly related to radiation exposure. I believe
there were a few workers who were killed at the plant because
they were performing work, and when the tsunami hit, they lost
their life.”Leuren, this seems to me to be utterly
incredible, and that it is coming from such a high government
source disturbs me profoundly.
Leuren Moret: Well, the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission (NRC) was set up from the Atomic Energy Commission
(AEC), an earlier government agency, and they were set up to
protect the government, and the military, from the public knowing
about, or realizing, or understanding, the health and environmental
effects of the nuclear bomb testing program [ended in 1963],
and the nuclear power program.
So
since the 1950's, the AEC and then later the NRC . . . Their
main function as government agencies, and they were very well
funded, was to hide the environmental and health effects of
ionizing radiation from the public.
And
we know there was a huge die-off in the United States, babies,
unborn babies spontaneously aborted, and very high infant mortality,
and children’s cancers… some babies were even born
with cancer.
|

FIG.
10: U.S.A. NEWBORN DETERIORATION IN THE NUCLEAR AGE, 1945-1996:
The decline in infant mortality in 1935 continued to fall due
to improved prenatal care and better education of pregnant mothers.
The era of nuclear bomb testing which began in 1947, caused
a large increase in infant mortality and one million excess
infant deaths, estimated by Dr. Ernest Sternglass, from in-utero
exposure to even low levels of ionizing radiation from fission
products released into the atmosphere. British radiation expert,
Dr. Chris Busby, has estimated that the Fukushima disaster has
released 1000 times more radiation as of August 2011, than the
peak concentration of nuclear bomb test fission products measured
in 1963 at the British govt. radiation lab at Harwell, UK.
Source: J.M. Gould, E.J. Sternglass et al, “U.S.A.
Newborn Deterioration in the Nuclear Age, 1945-1996”,
Radiation and Public Health Publications (1998).
PRESENTED AT THE INTERNATIONAL CONGRESS ON THE EFFECTS OF LOW
DOSE IONIZING RADIATION IN CHILDHOOD AND YOUTH, IN MEDICINE,
INDUSTRY AND ENVIRONMENT IN THE WORKPLACE 19 - 21 MARCH 1998
http://nuclearfreeplanet.org/usa-newborn-deterioration-in-the-nuclear-age-1945-1996-%28radiation-and-public-health-publications%29.html
|
Leuren
Moret: Farrah Fawcett is one of the victims of nuclear
bomb testing. She died recently of rectal cancer, and she was
actually born as a newborn baby with cancer of the intestine.
So it was probably just a matter of time before cancer had a fatal
effect on her health.
Another
victim of nuclear bomb testing was Steve McQueen, who was one
of the atomic veterans, sent out as a soldier to the Nevada Test
site during bomb tests. And these fresh, young, healthy men were
put in fox [holes and] trenches… a thousand feet from the
nuclear bomb when it went off.
And
then they were studied as human guinea pigs for the rest of their
lives. And of course… Steve McQueen died of leukemia in
his 40's. And so the NRC and the AEC have been doing this forever. |
Leuren
Moret: Now another very disastrous program is the Environmental
Protection Agency [EPA], which was set up by Dr. Stanley Tompkins,
and he brought some of his AEC friends over to start what later
became the Environmental Protection Agency [EPA].
And
the names are always set up as government agencies to make the
public think that they are being protected. But it is the reverse.
It is actually to protect the government, the military, and whatever
the program is that is producing all of this radioactive pollution.
It
is actually to protect them.
And
the military [DOD], and the AEC set up the National Cancer Institute
[NCI], they set up the National Institute of Health (NIH) and
other — they also set up the Centers for Disease Control
[CDC]. So all of the government agencies that are supposed
to be protecting us, were actually set up to protect the industry. |

FIG.
12: UN GLOBAL MENTAL HEALTH SURVEY: This shocking UN study on
mental disorders by severity across countries, indicates that
the highest rates of mental disorders occur in countries using,
or contaminated from, nuclear technologies. The US, with the
highest mental disorder rate in the world (over 26.3% of the
population - one in four people), conducted over 1300 nuclear
bomb tests at the Nevada Test Site between 1952 and 1963. The
pre-birth exposure to ionizing radiation in millions of babies,
caused a permanent 12% decline in SAT scores for children born
by 1963 exposed in-utero. The US also has 110 nuclear reactors
(104 operating reactors) that increased operating capacity from
50% in the 1970’s to over 90% by the 1990’s which
doubled the amount of radioactive emissions in addition to new
nuclear reactors added to existing plants. Nigeria has the lowest
rate of mental illness – 4.7% - due to an absence of nuclear
weapons and nuclear power in that region. Radiation from Fukushima
will have a very severe global impact on humans, increasing
mental illness and other chronic illnesses, by many times in
future decades. The damage will also impact the biosphere and
the health of the environment.
Source: “Prevalence, Severity, and Unmet
Need for Treatment of Mental Disorders in the World Health Organization
World Mental Health Surveys”, The WHO World Mental Health
Survey Consortium, JAMA, v.291 no.21, June 2, 2004: 2581-2590.
|
Dr.
Fetzer: Americans just don’t understand this. It
is also parallel to the deceptive name of the Federal Reserve
for a private consortium of banks that issues money in the name
of the United States, and then charges the country interest rates
for doing that. [President] John F. Kennedy wanted to reform or
abolish the Fed.
He
had instructed the American Treasury to print United States Notes.
I remember as a young Marine Corps officer holding one in my hand,
where it had a red embossment print, and said “United States
Note” instead of the green Federal Reserve Note.
But
it is just shocking, Leuren, the extent to which the American
people have been bamboozled by their own government, and their
own Congress, acting on behalf of private interests and not the
public. |

FIG.
13: UNITED STATES NOTE 1963 SERIES: President John F. Kennedy
had US Notes printed, eliminating the Federal Reserve owned
by private interests. Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy were
assassinated and died for their sins of printing US Government
money.
Source: Leuren Moret personal property.
|
Leuren
Moret: Well that is basically the power of corporations.
You have to realize that the politicians, and the government agencies,
that are allowing these nuclear technologies to be promoted, and
used, and the effects hidden, are complicit in this whole thing.
And
the politicians are very, very, involved in making profits on
promoting the use of certain illegal weapons like depleted uranium,
or basically nuclear power. It is really an illegal weapon being
used against the public. And they take bribes and they have ties
to the nuclear industry. They own stock, or they are on the board
of directors of the Carlisle Group, or of United Technologies,
or companies that are making illegal weapons.
And
then they also own the pharmaceutical companies. I am referring
specifically to George W. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, who own
the pharmaceutical companies, peddling the medicines to sick people,
sick citizens, who are the victims of the weapons that these same
people have a vested interest in promoting [and
have taken control of our universities].
The
Carlisle Group, which was started by George Herbert Walker Bush
and others, made their first big pile of money on the depleted
uranium weapons that were introduced by President George H. W.
Bush, to the battlefield in 1990 in Iraq.
And
as a result, Jim, and you were a fine Marine officer, my father
was a fine Marine officer, you and he were not exposed to depleted
uranium weapons, which would have caused an earlier death and
a horrible future of long-lingering illnesses, if you or my father
had been exposed to that. We have two million soldiers today,
medically disabled since 1990, because of depleted uranium. |

FIG.
14: 2003 IRAQ WAR MEDICAL DISABILITIES AS OF AUGUST 2006: Reported
by the VA as of August 2006, this is the Veterans Administration
(VA) list of diagnoses in 631,174 veterans who had served on
the battlefield for the first time in the 2003 Iraq War. Muscular-skeletal,
mental, ill-defined conditions, gastrointestinal, and neural
diseases had the highest numbers of diagnoses in the soldiers
and veterans. After WW II, the medical disability rate in veterans
was 5%, and rose to 10% for Vietnam veterans due to Agent Orange
exposure. The much higher 55% medical disability rate since
1990 in Gulf-era veterans, is due primarily to the 1990 Gulf
War introduction and use of depleted uranium weapons to the
battlefield. As of 2011 the Veterans Administration (VA) listed
over 2 million medically disabled Gulf-era US soldiers and veterans
since 1990.
Source: Courtesy of Maj. Doug Rokke retired,
from M. Brown powerpoint, Veterans Administration 2006.
|
Dr.
Fetzer: How many again?
Leuren
Moret: Two million [since 1990, a 55% medical disability
rate].
Dr. Fetzer:
Unbelievable, unbelievable! And think of the vast expense that
is associated with all of that in terms of veterans care and lost
productivity and the loss of taxes, because these are not individuals
who are able to perform ordinary work projects.
Leuren Moret:
They
are so sick they can’t even drive. They were…
many of them have called me and told me they wanted to commit
suicide. They have told me stories, “I was a policeman,
I was an athlete, I was fit and buff when I went into the military.”
And
two months after they got to Iraq, for the 2003 Iraq War, they
were already mentally ill from the effects of radiation. It has
a huge, huge… uranium has a tremendous impact on the heart
and the brain, and also the neuromuscular system. So we have a
55% medical disability rate in our soldiers.
It
may be even higher now since 1990, when DU was introduced to the
battle field. And after World War II, it was a 5% medical disability
rate… that’s with conventional weapons, except for
the [atomic] bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki [on a human
population for the first time].
After
Vietnam, because of Agent Orange, the medical disability rate
went up to 10%. But since 1990, with these uranium weapons, the
medical disability rate is over 55%. It is in the soldier’s
bodies, in their semen, in their blood, in their sweat, and they
come back sick from Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Yugoslavia, and they
internally contaminate their wives and partners.
The
babies born after the men are exposed [to depleted uranium and
exotic weapons],are born with horrific birth defects, with no
legs or no arms… with one eye in the middle of the forehead,
that is called cyclopia |

FIG.
15: MONSOON RAINOUT EFFECTS OF US NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND DEPLETED
URANIUM: Since 1990 and the first Gulf War, bizarre birth defects
(in humans and animals) have been reported in Iraqis, Yugoslavians,
Afghanis, Palestinians, and in regions where monsoon rains (see
FIG. 17 monsoon map) deposit the “smog of war” -
battlefield radioactive dust and aerosols - into the environment.
Soldiers returning contaminated from Operation Desert Storm
had babies born with hands attached to shoulders, no legs, and
other severe birth defects. The deformities in babies from Iraq
were even worse, due to permanent exposure to increasing levels
of radiation in their environment. Conjoined twins were reported
in the Iraqi cities where heavy battles occurred: Mosul, Tikrit,
Fallujah, Baghdad, Sadr City, Najaf, and Amara. Cyclopia (one
eyed babies born with half a face and brain) were reported in
Iraq, Nigeria, India, and across the regions of the monsoon
season. The opposite of Cyclopia, or Disprosopus in babies with
two faces, have been similarly reported in contaminated regions.
Conjoined twinning in animals has been reported in Egypt, Iraq,
Palestine, India, China, Japan, US, and in other areas of the
monsoon season. During bomb testing in the US (1952-63), conjoined
twinning became an epidemic and the annual numbers born correlated
with the total kiloton equivalent of detonations each year.
Since 1990 and the first Gulf War (use of depleted uranium,
neutron devices, low kt nuclear weapons), conjoined twinning
has become a widespread phenomenon throughout the Middle East
and even as far as Poland, Caribbean, Argentina, western slope
of the Andes Mts. of South America, US, SE Asia (Indonesia,
Malaysia, Philippines), Africa, and Europe. In response to the
twinning crisis, King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud of Saudi
Arabia, established the “Kingdom of Humanity” a
modern center in Riyadh to separate conjoined twins at his own
personal expense, for parents anywhere in the world with conjoined
twins. What a generous miracle for parents without means, and
what a gift to the children!
Source: King Abdullah “Kingdom
of Humanity”, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
http://www.conjoinedtwins.med.sa/kingdom_of_humanity.php
|
Leuren Moret: All
these rare birth defects, are occurring not only in our soldiers,
but in Fallujah, in the Iraqi population the rate is much higher.
And fortunately we will be talking to Dr. Chris Busby who has
done more, than any other individual around the world, in doing
actual scientific research and reports on the effects in our soldiers
and in the Iraqis. And he will be talking about a health survey.
I
think it was over 5,000 people were surveyed in Fallujah secretly,
and he has compiled that data, and published it now, and it is
just horrifying. The birth defects and the infant mortality are
five to ten times higher than in Jordan and Israel and surrounding
countries.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, and of course these are not
the only areas in which we have had ecological and evolutionary
disasters. But also of course, in the Gulf of Mexico where, as
I have mentioned, we have made efforts to avoid Gulf of Mexico
shrimp. But the consequences there for those who live on the land
in the immediate vicinity, who are on the shoreline, and worldwide
of course, the vast majority of the world’s population lives
in locations in close proximity to shorelines.
I
mean this has to have been an unprecedented disaster to all of
them, to their livelihoods, and to their health and well-being,
from Texas and Louisiana and Mississippi and working our way to
Florida. I mean… it has to have been simply a massive calamity,
economically, ecologically, and health-wise.
Leuren Moret: That is correct. And what was reported,
in April during those big tornadoes across the Southern states,
is that when the hailstones were analyzed, Corexit was identified
as a contaminant inside the hailstones. And at the same time that
those tornadoes were occurring, with Corexit in the rain and the
hailstones, the huge plumes of radioactive pollution from Fukushima
were traveling through the Southern states and contaminating Florida,
all of the Southern states.
And
combining chemically with the Corexit, which is a chemical
toxin, and the ionizing radiation from Fukushima – as a
nanoparticle, chemical, and a radioactive toxin.
And
the Corexit, and the radiation together, multiply the effects
[synergistic effects] of each other – by at least ten times
– the harmful effects. So it accelerated the death rates,
the infant mortality, spontaneous abortion, in those Southern
states and it sure does look like a depopulation agenda
to me.
Dr. Fetzer: Well that is fairly stunning Leuren,
you know, to think that these things could be done deliberately
is simply, good God, nauseating. I mean it is so grotesque
–
Leuren Moret: It sure is.
Dr. Fetzer: — That this could be the case.
It leaves me virtually speechless.
Leuren Moret: Well, now let us just look at what
was just reported this week in the Daily Mail in England about
the effects on Marine life in the Gulf of Baja… The Sea
of Cortez [in Mexico]. And that is the sea that is between
the peninsula of Baja California and the mainland of Mexico.
There
is kind of an inland sea there. And fishermen are reporting that
when they caught female sharks in that inland sea, called the
Sea of Cortez, they have found unborn baby sharks with one eye
in the middle of the forehead. |

FIG. 16: RARE CYCLOPS SHARK CAUGHT IN MEXICO: A shark pup with
albino skin and a single eye was found by fishermen in the Gulf
of California, Mexico, in Oct. 2011, when they cut open the
stomach of its mother. The shark pup also had many internal
birth defects when it was examined. Other fishermen reported
finding unborn conjoined baby shark twins in another pregnant
female shark in the same area. The Fukushima Japan nuclear disaster
March 11, 2011, has caused widespread radioactive contamination
of the northern Pacific Ocean, indicating food contamination
from the Pacific is now a serious danger. The radiation map
in Fig. 1 indicates heavy contamination of the Pacific Coast
from Alaska through Mexico, and confirms heavy radiation exposure
of the Gulf of Mexico. The Pacific Islands such as Hawaii, Guam,
and others are also exposed to high levels of radiation from
Fukushima, poisoning critical food supplies for coastal indigenous
populations in the Pacific rim region. The entire Pacific fishery
can be expected to now be very contaminated.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050397/One-eyed-albino-cyclops-shark-discovered-fisherman.html#ixzz1d3k8ruji
|
Leuren
Moret:
It is called cyclopia, which has also been reported in Fallujah
[babies], during bomb testing [in the US 1952-1963], in Afghanistan,
and in Kazakhstan
in the Semipalatinsk
area, where the Russians, the Soviets did their nuclear bomb tests
in Central Asia. So we are also — these fishermen reported
in another female shark, they found an unborn baby shark that
was actually a conjoined twin, it is a Siamese Twin.
And
there is a very large increase in conjoined twinning in Central
Asia, the Middle East, and in regions like the Himalayas and China
and across parts of Africa where the monsoon rains are raining
out the depleted uranium and the exotic weapons still being used
in Afghanistan and Iraq.
So
conjoined twinning also rapidly increased all over the United
States during the bomb testing era 1952-1963. |

Fig. 17: MONSOON RAINOUT MAP: Wet summer and dry winter rainout
patterns are known as the monsoon cycle, and is used to refer
to the rainy phase of a seasonally-changing pattern, with
a dry winter phase. Due to heavy use of depleted uranium and
nuclear weapons introduced by the US in Iraq in 1990, the
monsoon rainout regions have high rates of birth defects and
conjoined twinning reported in animals and humans. When such
rare phenomena are reported in both animals and humans, an
environmental contaminant is the most likely cause. Iraq,
Yugoslavia, Afganistan, Lebanon, Gaza, Korea, Mindanao in
the Philippines, Sudan, Somalia, and Australia are highly
contaminated (from military weapons use) point sources for
depleted uranium (and other exotic weapons) atmospheric contamination
which is carried and rained out globally by the annual patterns
of monsoon circulation. Si nce 2003, the US military has been
synchronizing heavy carpet bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan
with the summer monsoon heavy rainy season for maximum rainout
of radiation across the regions on this map. In the “shadow
of war”, President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and Former
Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva are now suffering
from cancer. Pres. Chavez announced a cancer summit in early
2012 for current and former S. American Presidents who have
suffered from cancer: Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff,
63, (lymphatic cancer in 2009), Paraguayan President Fernando
Lugo, 60, (lymphatic cancer August 2010), Venezuelan Pres.
Chavez, 57, (tumor in pelvic area 2011), Brazilian Pres. Lula
da Silva, 66, (throat cancer 2011). These cancers are typical
of depleted uranium exposures.
Source: http://climate.snu.ac.kr/2005_new/res/monsoon/monsoon-definition-en.html
Source: “Venezuela's Hugo Chavez calls for 'cancer summit'”,
The New Age, Nov. 7, 2011.
http://thenewage.co.za/34314-1020-53-Venezuela%27s_Hugo_Chavez_calls_for_%27cancer_summit%27
|
Dr.
Fetzer: I am reminded of a conversation that I had with
Major Doug Rokke ret., who used to fly B-52 bombers and who has
considerable familiarity with depleted uranium weapons.
When I asked
him why would the military, being aware of the vast genetic consequences,
the deformities, the stillbirths and so forth, persevere in using
these weapons, and he told me it was because they were the best
weapons to use, for example, to penetrate the thick armor of tanks.
And that, when I pressed him, he conceded that the military simply
doesn’t care…
Leuren Moret:
That’s right.
Dr. Fetzer:
– About the health effects or genetic consequences, I mean…
Leuren Moret:
Well they can use tungsten. Tungsten is denser even than depleted
uranium and it doesn’t have the same radiological effects.
Tungsten is toxic in some circumstances and some molecules and
compounds [such as DIME weapons used in Gaza, Iraq, Lebanon cite].
Tungsten is a very fine kinetic energy penetrator [used by the
US Navy], it just costs more.
Dr. Fetzer:
And Leuren, I am quite confident that there is collusion
here between the nuclear power industry that has all of these
waste products that they want to get rid of, and convert into
a profit rather than a loss and by marketing them, selling them
to the military for use in depleted uranium weapons, they are
able to do that.
Leuren Moret:
Well, for every pound of uranium, naturally occurring
uranium, that is extracted from ore, 99.7% of that extracted metal
is depleted uranium. It is radioactive trash. And only 0.5% [U-235]
of the uranium they mine can be used for nuclear weapons or nuclear
power plant fuel.
So
there is a huge waste stream. And what they are doing is they
are dumping into the public domain, any metals that are contaminated
with radiation… now are being recycled into the civilian
metal supply. They are being remanufactured in countries like
China and we don’t even know what is in the metal. And our
country, our government, is hiding it from the public.
Dr. Fetzer:
So that the next can of peas or beets or whatever you obtain at
the grocery store, might actually be in a can that is exuding
radiation.
Leuren Moret:
Or baby stroller.
Dr. Fetzer:
Or baby stroller. Or a walker for the elderly. Or a wheel chair.
Leuren Moret:
Or braces on your teeth. And a really horrible story, horrible
story about what academic institutions do with people who donate
their bodies for science. This was a horrible scandal, that the
University of California at Los Angeles was involved in, and other
universities in the U.S.
They
were selling those bodies donated for science, by alumni or whoever
had donated to the universities… they were selling them
for $10,000 a cadaver to the U.S. Army, and the U.S. Army was
using these dead bodies of people’s grandparents, and great
grandparents, and parents, for target practice with depleted uranium
bullets.
Dr. Fetzer:
Good gracious. What in the world would that be necessary for.
I mean ordinary bullets will go through a body, much less depleted
uranium.
Leuren Moret:
That is just what the Army… that is what the Pentagon is
spending a lot of money on.
Dr. Fetzer:
And Leuren, there seems to be a parallel here with fluoride, which
was a toxic waste product of the processing of certain kinds of
chemicals by the industry, and once again it has been converted
in such a fashion as to be used in our water supply and allegedly
on the grounds that it strengthens our enamel and makes it less
likely we are going to suffer from tooth decay.
But
my impression at this point in time is in fact what we are undergoing
is a gradual poisoning of the entire population.
Leuren Moret:
Depleted uranium, in order to extract that 0.5% of U-235, and
this all occurs at the Oak Ridge, Tennessee, nuclear weapons lab,
they take the natural uranium metal that is removed from ore,
extracted from ore, and they turn it into uranium hexafluoride
gas.
And
they pass that through filters [membranes] that remove the U-235,
but they can only remove 0.5% of it. And when they convert the
separated uranium metals [depleted uranium and U-235], the depleted
uranium which has been depleted in U-235, and the pure U-235,
they convert it back to uranium metal.
They
have all that fluoride, which is highly corrosive and extremely
neurotoxic, and so that was Dr. Edward Teller’s idea. He
is referred to as “Dr. Strangelove”. He was for a
very short period . . . he was Director of Livermore Nuclear Weapons
Lab. He said “Let’s just dilute it by dumping it into
the American water supply.”
They
think dilution is the solution to pollution. And of course he
and others were very aware that fluoride was added to drinking
water in the slave camps in Germany, to subdue the slave prisoners
during World War II under the Nazis. And Asian leaders have also
used it to subdue their subjects, because it slows
down the functioning of the brain.
Dr. Fetzer:
You are telling me that the fluoridization of the water supply
in the United States is having the effect of making the population
more passive, more amenable to manipulation, and less resistant
to abuse.
Leuren Moret:
Yes. And the fluoride ion or atom that gets into the
tooth structure, actually weakens the tooth structure, because
it is not the correct element and it interacts with the crystalline
structure of the tooth material in a negative way. It shouldn’t
be there. It is not as strong. It does not make the teeth stronger,
it makes them weaker.
Dr. Fetzer:
So fluoride does not even help to resist tooth decay, which is
the principal ground on which it has been marketed to the American
people. It is like Star Wars.
I
had Bob Bowman, who has a PhD in nuclear engineering from Caltech,
who was Scientific Director of the Star Wars projects under Carter
and Ford, and who when I pressed him during an interview about
the militarization
of space, he demurred and wouldn’t really respond, but
within weeks was explaining on other programs that the whole program
had always been offensive.
That
it was sold to the American people as defensive, but it was always
all about the militarization of space.
Leuren Moret:
Exactly.
Dr. Fetzer:
So we get all this marketing of products, that are extremely hazardous
to the health and well-being of the American people, and our government
does nothing but lie, lie, lie, lie about them. |

FIG.
18: PEAK DEATHS IN US FROM FUKUSHIMA: This graph, based on
data from the Centers for Disease Control, indicates that
the peak period of excess deaths in the US was April 23-May
21, 2011, in the West North and South Central regions, with
a peak death date (West North Central: from 0% on April 23
to 34% increase on May 7 - see table below on left as of 7/9/11).
The CDC excess deaths data for each region (below on right),
based on age groups, indicates that the elderly have had significant
excess death rates in all 6 regions, which is expected for
people in their older years with compromised health histories.
However, the significant increases for the 45-64 age group
(sometimes higher than for the elderly), is surprising but
may be due to bomb testing exposure in childhood (1947-63),
or Gulf-era veterans exposure to depleted uranium since 1990.
The very high increase in death rates – 18.7% - in the
25-44 age group in the West South Central region (Oklahoma,
Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana) is hard to explain without
pointing to the military, since there are many military bases
in those states, and today veterans tend to settle near military
bases when they get out of active duty so they can use veterans
medical facilities.
Source: Bobby1, “Post-Fukushima Excess
Deaths in US Updated for Sept. 3”
http://freepdfhosting.com/2b6c39b50b.pdf
|
GREAT
CONVEYOR BELT: Dr. Wallace Broecker of Columbia University,
discovered and named the major global ocean circulation system
the "Great Conveyor Belt," estimated to be 60 times
stronger than the combined force of all the world's rivers.
It distributes heat around the globe and plays an important
role in regulating Earth's climate. It has also served as the
transport mechanism to deliver very large deliberate releases
of fission products from the Sellafield/Windscale nuclear facility
in Cumbria, England, since the 1950’s. Not only did Windscale/Sellafield
radioactive emissions contaminate the Irish Sea, all of England,
Scotland, the Scandinavian fisheries, and the Arctic, but the
radiation was carried on ocean currents to India. The House
of Commons Environment Select Committee, February 1986, testified
in the Parliament that:
"The
UK discharges more radioactivity into the sea than any other
nation. As the Ministry of Agriculture confirmed to us, Sellafield
is the largest recorded source of radioactive discharge in
the world. The anxiety and controversy which this arouses
in the UK is well known. It also creates anxiety in other
nations. We found, for example, that the Swedes could identify
radioactive traces in fish off their coast being largely attributable
to Sellafield, greater even than the contamination from adjacent
Swedish nuclear power stations. Similar experiences were reported
to us by the Isle of Man government. That the UK, with a comparatively
small nuclear industry, should be so dramatically out of step
is a cause for concern."
Peak
releases with global implications, were taking place in 1957,
1971-1978, and 1983-1984, and caused increases in Indian infant
mortality rates. An unexplained 36.5% decline in fertility
in India has occurred since 1971, and approximately 30 million
Indian babies have died or were stillborn from 1950-2008,
as a result of exposure to atmospheric testing, Chernobyl,
and Sellafield radioactive emissions. It seems that the Sellafield
releases engineered by the British, foreshadowed the Fukushima
nuclear disaster, that it will have a global impact many times
worse than Sellafield.
Source: "Achieving Sustainable Development
in the 21st Century", the Earth Institute at Columbia
University (2007), p.27.
L. Moret, “GLOBAL IMPLICATIONS OF SELLAFIELD:"IRISH
SEA COAST EFFECT" AND BEYOND”, http://www.namastepublishing.co.uk/Global%20Implications%20of%20Sellafield%20-%20Irish%20Sea%20Coast%20Effect.htm
|
Leuren
Moret:
That’s right, and the peak levels of radiation [from the
Fukushima disaster in Japan on March 11, 2011] that reached the
United States, were not even reported.
But
it was from the last week in April to almost the last week in
May, and the peak level of dry [dust and aerosols settling into
the environment] and wet radiation deposition [from rain, fog,
snow] in the environment was May 7th [2011]. It was a horrendous
increase.
Dr. Fetzer: May 7th of this year [2011], yes.
Leuren Moret: That’s right, and the peak
levels of radiation [from the Fukushima disaster in Japan on March
11, 2011] that reached the United States, were not even reported.
But
it was from the last week in April to almost the last week in
May, and the peak level of dry [dust and aerosols settling into
the environment] and wet radiation deposition [from rain, fog,
snow] in the environment was May 7th [2011]. It was a horrendous
increase.
Leuren Moret: Yes. The percentage of deaths quadrupled.
It increased four times. On one day.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, as we continue we are going
to be joined by Dr. Chris Busby from the UK, and everyone should
stand by. [I am] Jim Fetzer, your host. We will be continuing
my conversation with Leuren Moret and Christopher Busby when we
return.
POSTSCRIPT
TO PART 1: |

Total Fertility Trajectory for the World 1950-2050

FIG.
19: UN 2008 REPORT SHOWING GLOBAL POPULATION DECLINE SINCE
1963 This UN report on global population changes includes
the years from 1950 to the present, and projects future changes
out to 2050, a one-hundred-year interval. It exposes the fact
that the population has been shrinking since the 1950’s.
The impacts of nuclear technologies on global population decline
are clear – nuclear bomb tests, nuclear power plants,
Chernobyl, and the introduction of depleted uranium weaponry
in 1990 have all taken their toll on the human race. What
lies ahead as the consequence of the Fukushima nuclear disaster
will dwarf the global impact of nuclear technologies in the
past.
Source: “World
Population Prospects: The 2008 Revision – Highlights”
|

Heavy
firepower was used in Fallujah in 2004
HEAVY
FIRE POWER WAS USED IN FALLUJAH IN 2004: U.S. Marines fire Nov.
11, 2004, on Fallujah with a 155 mm Howitzer. One of the weapons
originally designed for this artillery piece was a tactical
nuclear weapon (that could include a neutron warhead) designed
by Samuel Cohen, to be fired in eastern Europe on Soviet troops
during President Ronald Reagan’s term in office.
[Photo: Lance Cpl. Samantha L. Jones] |
Forward
to Part II:
New Bombs and War Crimes
in Fallujah
(also archived
at Veterans Today)
by Dr. James Fetzer
3 Nov 2011
On Friday, 28 October 2011, it was
my honor to host Leuren Moret and Christopher Busby as my guests
on “The Real
Deal”, an internet radio program broadcast on M/W/F
from 5-7 PM/CT over revereradio.net.
Leuren Moret is an independent geoscientist who has done expert
studies on the Fukushima disaster, radiation problems around
the world including depleted uranium. Dr. Christopher Busby
is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University
of Ulster and is the co-author of reports about the effects
of depleted uranium in Iraq especially in relation to Fallujah.
What Busby found much to his surprise was not DU but enriched
uranium instead.
The
interview was extraordinary on many counts. During the first
hour, Leuren reported on the latest research about Fukushima
and laid out a background for understanding the issues that
she and Busby and I would discuss during the second hour. It
has become apparent from Busby’s research that a new kind
of bomb–which seems to be a neutron bomb–has
been used in Fallujah, but also in other areas, including Lebanon.
As though that discovery were not astonishing enough, listening
to him, it struck me that this same weapon may have been used
to destroy the Twin Towers, an explanation for which has remained
elusive and where alternative
theories about the possible use of mini-nukes, directed
energy weaponry, and other causal mechanisms have been widely
discussed–or, in some cases, actually
suppressed.
So
there are linkages of evidence and causation that tie together
the commission of war crimes in Iraq with mechanisms of destruction
that may have brought about the near-total
conversion of two massive, 500,000 ton buildings into millions
of cubic yards of very fine dust. We know that nanothermite
does
not have the capacity to bring about these effects, even
though it has many staunch advocates. So what we have to learn
from Christopher Busby may not only expose the existence of
a new weapon of mass destruction but also provide a key to understanding
what happened on 9/11. The transcription of the second hour
of the program (published here) was done by Jeannon Kralj [Editor's
Note: bulk of work done by William Fox], to whom we are indebted
for the excellence of her work. The images and captions were
courtesy of Leuren Moret. I plan to have the first hour published
tomorrow and will provide a link to the audio file as soon as
it becomes available, which it has just become.
The Real Deal Radio Show (28 October 2011)
Host: Jim Fetzer: James Fetzer Ph.D.
Guests:
Dr. Busby: Christopher Busby, Ph.D.
Leuren Moret: Leuren Moret B.S., M.A., PhD
(ABD)
HOUR TWO (transcribed by Jeannon Kralj
and William B. Fox) |
Jim
Fetzer: This
is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The Real Deal”, continuing
my conversation with Leuren Moret and now we have been joined
by Professor Christopher Busby who is a visiting biomedical studies
professor at the University of Ulster and is the co-author of
reports about the effects of depleteed uranium in Iraq especially
in relation to Fallujah.
Chris,
welcome to “The Real Deal”.
Dr. Busby:
Yes, hello.
Jim Fetzer:
Please do tell us about the results of your studies and the effects
of the depleted uranium.
Dr. Busby: Okay,
well, I’ve done two studies with colleagues in Iraq of the
town of Fallujah, which I am sure everybody knows was attacked
by US-led forces in 2004, and there was an enormous amount of
fire-power used then. And following that there’s been a
lot of talk about increases in cancer and congenital malformations
and various other conditions, but nobody had ever done any proper
epidemiology or scientific study. So it was all anecdotal, although
it had been reported in a lot of media.
So
a colleague of mine, Malak Hamden, decided to get involved and
she contacted me and together we developed an idea to conduct
an epidemiological
study. This was in 2010 and we organized a team of people
in Fallujah to visit various houses and set up a randomized group
of people in houses to tell us how many people there were, sexes,
ages and so forth, and how many cancers they had and what the
population was and so forth. And that study
was published in the International Journal of Environmental
Public Health, a Swiss journal, in 2010.
And what it showed
was that there was an enormous increase – there was –
everybody had been right – all the anecdotal evidence
was actually borne out. There was a very big increase in cancer
in that population, highly statistically significant, and also
there was a big increase in infant mortality and mostly driven
by congenital disease, and there was a change in sex ratio,
that is to the number of boys born to the number of girls, which
is very indicative of a genomic or genetic effect on the sperm
[in men] or the eggs of the women.
|

Toxic
Zones in Iraq
TOXIC
ZONES IN IRAQ: High risk areas contaminated with depleted uranium
and other toxins from 30 years of war have left large areas
of environmental ruin. The largest towns and cities account
for 25% of the contaminated areas. Higher rates of cancer and
birth defects have been reported at these sites. Contaminated
agricultural lands in southern Iraq have caused a decline in
the health of the poorest people living in those parts of the
country. Recently a severe drought has decreased the water flowing
in the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers by 70%, causing additional
unprecedented environmental disaster. In October 2010, news
sources in Baghdad Province reported 1 billion cubic tons of
garbage had been dumped into the Tigris River and was increasing
every day.
[Sources: Chulov, M., “Iraq
littered with high levels of nuclear and dioxin contamination,
study finds”, Guardian, January 22, 2010. Kamal, F.
“One
million cubic tons of garbage dumped in Tigris River”,
AZZAMAN.COM, Oct. 28, 2010]
|
Dr. Busby:
And so there was evidently some other cause in order to answer
to the fact that the levels of cancer were higher than had been
reported following Hiroshima. So we’re talking about some
sort of agent which causes massive genetic damage in a population.
And of course everyone said ‘well it must be depleted uranium.’
But of course this was an epidemiological study so we didn’t
we couldn’t say anything about depleted uranium or what
it was.
But
in order to investigate it, we then decided to go ahead and have
a look at a group of parents of children with congenital malformations.
And so one of the team who was a pediatrician at Fallujah General
Hospital organized 25 fathers and 25 mothers of children with
serious congenital malformations, many of these died of course,
and took hair samples from these people and we analyzed those
hair samples using quite sophisticated technique, or Inductively
Coupled
Plasma Mass Spectrometry (ICPMS).
And
we looked at 52 elements in the hair samples of these people and
we found quite large increases in a whole range of elements but
most of them were innocuous, things like calcium and aluminum
and magnesium, which are not likely to cause congenital malformations.
In fact, the only thing that we found apart from uranium that
might have been implicated was mercury. But the source and levels
of congenital malformations that we had found, and in fact there
is another paper which hasn’t been published yet which does
show these levels at very high levels of congenital malformation.
The only thing that could explain it was uranium. |

Large
increases in congenital defects
FALLUJAH:
LARGE INCREASES IN CONGENITAL BIRTH DEFECTS AFTER 2004 ATTACK
[Source:
Friday, December 31, 2010 BBC interview on the Fallujah Epidemic
of Birth Defects]
BBC
VIDEO: Fallujah Epidemic of Birth Defects, BBC interview on
YouTube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EN6UcFAAeQ
|
Dr.
Busby: The interesting thing about the uranium was that
we were able to measure the isotopic ratio because we were interested
to see whether it was, you know, natural uranium or was it DU,
which is what we thought it would be. But in fact it turned out
to be slightly enriched uranium [with U-235], so, that is to say,
it was manmade enriched uranium.
Now
enriched uranium is a material that should only be found in a
nuclear power station or inside an atomic bomb. So to find it
in the hair of the parents of these children with congenital malformations
was really astonishing.
So
we then went to look to see how this could be, and to cut a long
story short, we concluded from various patents from the US patent
office that we received from physicists, that it was quite entirely
likely that there was a new secret weapon being used, an anti-personnel
weapon of some sort which contained enriched uranium or else generated
enriched uranium.
And
so there are basically two possibilities. One is that they are
using this enriched uranium. It’s only mildly enriched uranium,
to cover their tracks, so that afterwards nobody can come to them,
you know, with a whole trail of people with cancer and congenital
disease and say ‘Hey look, we’re going to sue you”
because then they can say “Well, you know, there’s
no depleted uranium there.’
And
the alternative – which is sort of science fictional and
which is entirely possible – I have to say, which is that
they have developed a sort of neutron device which uses enriched
uranium as part of its components to generate neutrons. And the
way it does this is to dissolve tritium in uranium powder. Like
deuterium, heavy hydrogen is very soluble in uranium, and when
it is compressed, when the saturated solution is compressed, you
can get a cold fusion reaction which produced helium-4 and neutrons,
and so that too is a possibility. But of course we don’t
know what the answer is.
And
interestingly enough, and also connected to this, is the fact
that we know from various papers that have been published that
the Gulf War veterans, the US Gulf War veterans, have also had
a very high and statistically significant increase in congenital
malformations in their children. But the uranium source of this
has been excluded on the basis of urine tests which show that
there is no depleted uranium. But of course, what we have discovered
is that there wouldn’t be depleted uranium because it is
enriched uranium. |

Cancer
rate increase in Basra, Iraq 1993-2001
CANCER
RATE INCREASES IN BASRA, IRAQ 1993-2001: Dr. Jawad Al-Ali, an
oncologist in Basra, Iraq, reported large increases in cancer
and leukemia in Basra following the 1990 Gulf War, and the introduction
of depleted uranium weapons to the battlefield by the US govt.
Cancer rates in Fallujah from the 2004 attack are even higher
than Basra, and many times higher than after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
[Source:
Dr. Jawad Al-Ali, Basra, Iraq]
|
Jim
Fetzer: Well
Chris, this is fairly astonishing news. I must say, I am taken
aback in that the belief that it has been depleted uranium that
has caused these problems, so widespread, so ubiquitous, that
your findings are truly astonishing, I think even revolutionary,
in altering the paradigm with which we view these matters where
the American government, once again, is complicit. Whereas the
attack on Fallujah obviously involved war crimes on a massive
scale in the use of chemical and other weapons that were banned
under the Geneva Conventions, now we’re talking about a
whole new family of weapons that have devastating effects and
that alter the genetics of the civilian and military population,
which can have incalculable consequences from an evolutionary
point of view. I am stunned.
Dr. Busby: Yes, well so were we. But I have to
say that we weren’t absolutely astonished as we might have
been because we had already turned up enriched uranium in a bomb
crater in Lebanon in 2006, and there are certainly no differences
about that in two separate laboratories using two entirely different
techniques. So in one laboratory they used ICPMS, which is this
method we just used.
But
in another one, they used the old fashioned but much more certain
method which is called alpha
spectroscopy. And so in that laboratory, they also found enriched
uranium. So there is no doubt that enriched uranium is being used
as some component of some modern weapons system.
And
the other thing about it is that people are so “Oh well
you know they use…, why do you find depleted uranium because
there are no tanks.” And of course the answer is that it
is an anti-personnel method of attack. It is not a tank buster
at all. It is a new system and I think that this is the message
to the planet, that there is a secret new system and it is extremely
dangerous. |

Large
increase in Fallujah post-2004 attacks
LARGE
INCREASE IN FALLUJAH BIRTH DEFECTS
WERE REPORTED AFTER 2004 US ATTACKS: Defects in newborns
were 11 times higher than normal, “war contaminants”
from new exotic weapons including nuclear weapons, are the probable
cause.
[Source:
Chulov, M., "Research
links rise in Falluja birth defects and cancers to US assault",
The Guardian (UK), Dec. 30, 2010]
|
Jim
Fetzer:
Yes, extremely dangerous, and you are observing it was found in
Lebanon, where to the best of my knowledge, there was not an American
incursion but rather an Israeli, and that the Israelis may even
have developed this weapon or been provided with it by the American
government.
Leuren Moret: Actually what happened is that
during the attack, in the middle of the Israeli attack on Lebanon,
the US sent 800, rushed, 800 special bombs, and I have photos
of them on planes in England and landing and taking off in Scotland
and also Ireland. And they expedited delivery of these special
bombs to the Israelis to use on Lebanon in the second half of
that attack, and I believe that those may have been the source
of this exotic weapons signature that Dr. Busby has just mentioned.
Jim Fetzer: Chris, had you heard those reports
before possibly …?
Dr. Busby: Well I know that the Americans did
supply bombs to the Israeli because there was a lot of fuss when
they were landing in Scotland. The Scottish people wanted to prevent
them using the airports there as a staging place for refueling
in order to supply the Israelis because there was a lot of opposition
to that particular war, which was another illegal war [unintelligible]
I think it was in this report.
The
crater that we
found in Khiam (Lebanon) that my colleague, that actually
I sent my colleague out there to look at, was in fact radioactive.
So not only did we find DU but we found enriched uranium in it.
The reason that we went there in the first place was that one
of the local physicists who had been looking at the various effects
of these weapons in Lebanon detected the radiation signature of
this particular crater was alarmingly high, so that’s why
we went to see why it was high. Now the radiation levels fell
rapidly over about six weeks and went back to normal. Now that
would be a signature for a neutron device because what happens
is that the neutrons from the device cause an increased level
of gamma radioactivity due to neutron activation of substances
in the soil, but these are fairly short-lived, and so they do
drop off over a short period of about three to six weeks, so that
would fit in with that possibility. |

Turbocharged
"Superbombs"
TURBOCHARGED
“SUPERBOMBS”:
Reactive Materials can be used to replace inert metals
in munitions, all different kinds of weapons. Even Explosively
Formed Penetrators, or EFPs, the “superbombs” used
to such deadly effect in Iraq and Afghanistan, are candidates
for the reactive materials revolution.
[Source:
Hambling, D., “Reactive
Revolution: Turbocharged ‘Superbombs’”,
WIRED, May 9, 2008]
|
Jim
Fetzer:
Now Chris, perhaps you can confirm my impression that one of the
benefits of these neutron weapons is that they kill people but
don’t damage property.
Dr. Busby: Well that’s why they were developed,
of course. Yes, that’s correct, that is why they were developed.
I
want to be very cautious about all of this. I have talked to a
number of physicists who say that this is possible, who say that
the model seems reasonable, but we have no real evidence apart
from the existence of enriched uranium [I-235] in this crater
in Lebanon, deuterium, anomalously high levels of radioactivity
caused by neutron activation, and the rest is surmisable.
Jim Fetzer: Well, on the other hand, if you apply
the principle of inference to the best explanation, if you consider
alternative hypotheses about the possible cause and calculate
the probability of the effects if those causes were indeed what
had brought about those effects, the causes with the highest probability
have the highest degree of evidential support …
Dr. Busby: Yes, of course. But the thing about
this is that it is entirely possible also that what they are doing
is just disposing of a load of old nuclear warheads. As you know,
they have to have a lot of decommissioning of nuclear weapons
and there are significant amounts, very large amounts of enriched
uranium in those nuclear weapons, and so the point is that that
stuff would have to normally be disposed of as nuclear waste.
Now that would be a simple matter for them to just mix it in with
depleted uranium until you got a mix which just took you on the
correct side of the dose limits to the soldiers. That’s
the way these people think. I can tell you. They would mix it
in so that the soldiers under some risk model approach would have
less than one millisievert in a year or whatever the risk level
is, and that would be a very neat way of getting rid of all their
warheads without having to find somewhere to put them which would
cost them money. At the same time, of course, they could use them
in this new weapon.
Now
it doesn’t have to be a neutron weapon. The patents that
we’ve found include a weapon where the uranium is part of
an explosive, and then this explosive is used in a shaped charge,
a sort of shaped appliance so that it shapes and directs the actual
explosion power.
Now
there are various missiles and tank styles that are called TOW
and these are directed-charge weapons. And I’ve seen pictures
of these taken at tanks. They fly over the top of the tanks and
they suddenly go “bang” and this enormous directed
charge goes downward on to the top of the tank and atomizes it.
And these are quite small missiles. So there is an alternative
explanation so it doesn’t have to be something nuclear.
Jim Fetzer: Goes down on the top of the tank
and atomizes it?
Dr. Busby: Yes, yes, it does. It’s the
most extraordinary thing, that the missile doesn’t hit the
tank – it flies over the top of it and a sort of [shaped]
charge shoots out from the bottom of the missile and blows the
tank apart from the top.
Jim Fetzer: Could such a weapon then be used
on steel structure high-rise buildings?
Dr. Busby: Well you could make a directed charge
weapon that could do anything, and some of these weapons, of course…I
think the point is…This has been described in various books
about the battle of Fallujah. It’s not me saying this. But
they do have these missiles that can blow down walls, and the
problem was that these guys, what they call “the insurgents,”
were inside buildings and were shooting out through windows and
the easiest way to get them would be to just completely demolish
the wall. So these directed-charge weapons are capable of doing
that, which is to blow the wall away, presumably when the wall
comes down with them. So there are lots and lots of modern weapons.
Another
thing about this is that a lot of very strange wounds have been
found. You know there is actually a group of doctors who are trying
to figure out how these wounds have been found. They are not the
sort of wounds you get in combats in historic wars. They’re
entirely new. So there is some sort of new weapon out there, and
I think probably it contains uranium – would be my guess. |

Burn
wounds never seen before
FALLUJAH
BURNS: During the 2004 US attack on Fallujah, strange wounds
and burns were reported by Doctors treating Iraqi war casualties.
These types of wounds had never
been seen before.
|
Jim Fetzer:
Could you sketch some of these
wounds so that we would have a better idea of what you are talking
about?
Dr. Busby: There are people who have been found
that for no apparent reason their bodies are slightly swollen
and they cut the bodies open to look inside and found nothing
at all which could produce pain–explain why they are dead.
Now
this could be the consequence of a thermobaric weapon. Now uranium
explosives have been associated with the development thermobaric
weapons because what these weapons do, instead of their “bang”
very sharply with a kind of sharp shock wave, they produce a very
slow shock wave, so the shock wave goes out and then it sucks
back into a vacuum. It just destroys people by its sudden change
in pressure. It sucks their lungs out, if you like. So that could
be one of them.
Now
I took photographs of a boy who was hit by one of these weapons
and there’s a stripe across his chest which is like a black
stripe. The rest of him is perfectly all right. There is no problem
with him, but where the stripe crosses his arm, the arm has been
completely charred and its like you can just see two sticks where
the bones are still there but they’re carbonized. So this
guy who has obviously standing by a window and some enormous heat
has come through the window and has just totally wiped out parts
of him and other parts are completely unharmed. There are a number
of these pictures around which really don’t make sense unless
you have some kind of new weapon that we don’t fully understand
[yet] . . .
Jim Fetzer: Chris, this is nauseating, I mean,
man’s inhumanity to man, you know, seems to be on blatant
display here.
Dr. Busby: It’s an interesting philosophical
point really, how these people can do it. But you see they put
themselves in a different universe. They just sit there with their
pencils and paper and they kind of just see it as a . . . I don’t
know, like an abstract plan on how to kill somebody. They don’t
see them as real people.
Leuren Moret: It’s nothing personal, Chris.
It’s nothing personal. It’s just another industry
like making shoes to them.
Dr. Busby: I saw a very interesting video about
three women who were walking along, Palestinians as well, and
they were looking at a drone, one of these Israeli drones, and
then two of the young daughters turned to the mother and smiled
at her and sort of laughed and then pointed to it, and then the
drone wiped them out. It sort of sent a missile down and blew
them to pieces, these two children. And then later on in this
same program, I saw a picture of the Israelis, young men sitting
at computer screens with joy sticks, and they were controlling
these drones and they were looking through the eyes of the drone,
if you like, and seeing people walking about, and then they could
press a button on the joy stick just like a computer game. And
I had this vision of two of these guys sitting there and they
saw these two beautiful young women turn round and laugh at them,
you know, thought they were laughing at the drone, but who knows,
they may have been laughing at some joke that they had made. You
know, these guys saw them laughing at the drone and they just
pressed the button and wiped them out. It is like that –
this distance between people – that these modern weapons
enable people to use.
Jim Fetzer: I’ve actually published a piece
entitled, “On
the Ethical Conduct of Warfare: Predator Drones”, that
was published by Global Research, and studies have shown that
from these drone attacks they are killing on the average of 140
innocent civilians for every targeted insurgent. And of course,
as we well know, since the United States is the aiding and occupying
force from the point of view of the Iraqis and the Afghans, these
are “freedom fighters” as Ronald Reagan described
the Contras in Nicaragua.
The
incapacity of Americans to see another point of view, Chris, is
simply staggering, I must tell you, it’s just staggering.
Dr. Busby: Well I agree with you, absolutely.
I kind of know that. I know that. I don’t know what you
can do about it.
Jim Fetzer: The fact that you’ve been dealing
with these exotic weapons, or at least their effects, leads me
to ask the following question. One of the most puzzling aspects
of research on 9/11 is how the Twin Towers were destroyed because
their being converted into millions of yards of very fine dust
from the top down, while all the floors were remaining stationary.
The mass of the lower parts of the buildings is overwhelmingly
greater than the mass of the top of the building – in relation
to the North Tower, for example, the top 14 floors, because the
steel is tapered from the base. Whereas in the sub-basement it
is 6 inches thick, and then 5 and so forth up to a quarter inch
thick at the top, represents that only 1.4 percent of the mass
of the steel and the idea that that could overcome the lower 98.6
is simply a physical impossibility. And yet we have these buildings
clearly being blown apart in every direction, not any effect of
a unidirectional gravitational attraction downward. And the question
becomes “what could possibly have brought this about?”
And I just wonder if any of these extraordinary weapons you are
talking about could have such effects.
Dr. Busby: Well, that is an interesting question
there and it has to do with this story of tritium in the water
in the basement of the Twin Towers. Now if you look at tritium
in the Twin Towers, there is a proper, peer reviewed scientific
paper by a number of quite eminent chemical analysts who measured
the concentration of the element tritium, which is a form of radioactive
hydrogen [used in nuclear weapons and produced in some nuclear
reactions] in the basement waters of the Twin Towers, and they
concluded that the amount of tritium there was absolutely impossible
– it could not have got there except as a consequence of
some “unusual happening”.
Now
the point about this weapon that I’m talking to you about,
this weapon of deuterium and uranium, is that it does actually
produce tritium. That’s one of its major products. It produces
helium-4 and tritium. So what you would need to look for if you
were looking for, I suppose, this particular explosive’s
sort of footprint, you would look for tritium, and they did find
tritium in the Twin Towers, so it is entirely possible that they
were brought down with this same weapon. |

Photo
1: A new Chinese neutron bomb
Photo
1: This photo was taken within a few hundredths of a microsecond
of the detonation of the device. It was most likely taken from
an airplane, but it could have been shot from a satellite. The
fireball can be seen at its brightest, and a uniquely designed
pattern is also very easily seen. |

Photo
2: A new Chinese neutron bomb
Photo
2: This second photograph was taken approximately a millisecond
after the first. The dome of the fireball can be seen, along
with the specially created pattern of neutrons impacting the
ground.
CHINESE
NEUTRON BOMB TEST 1995-6: Samuel Cohen said he estimates the
size of the fireball in the pictures to be about 200 to 300
feet across. He believes it is a good example of what to expect
from a one-kiloton, low yield neutron bomb. The photos came
without technical information, so Cohen and others who evaluated
the pictures were unable to provide conclusive details.
[Source: Bresnahan, D., “China
Test-detonates Kiloton Neutron Bomb: U.S. likely knew about
surface explosion”, FREEDOM NETWORK, April 1999] |
Jim Fetzer:
And it’s a weapon that produces a neutron bomb effect .
. .
Dr. Busby: Yes, by producing gamma rays
Jim Fetzer: . . . by combining depleted uranium
with enriched uranium. And could be blended so you could create
any mixture you like to achieve the type of effect, the range
of blast and so forth desired.
Leuren Moret: Chris, explain to Jim and the audience
what you discovered about the structure of super-thermite or thermite
that was developed at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab and the
similar structure in the layers, like a sandwich, of these fourth-generation
nuclear weapons, and they were also developed at the Livermore
Nuclear Weapons Lab.
Dr. Busby: Well I think that you’ll have
to do that. I don’t know anything about super-thermite.
People have talked to me about it, but I don’t really know
anything about it.
Jim Fetzer: And it’s a weapon that produces
a neutron bomb effect . . .
Dr. Busby: Yes, by producing gamma rays
Jim Fetzer: . . . by combining depleted uranium
with enriched uranium. And could be blended so you could create
any mixture you like to achieve the type of effect, the range
of blast and so forth desired.
Leuren Moret: Chris, explain to Jim and the audience
what you discovered about the structure of super-thermite or thermite
that was developed at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab and the
similar structure in the layers, like a sandwich, of these fourth-generation
nuclear weapons, and they were also developed at the Livermore
Nuclear Weapons Lab.
Dr. Busby: Well I think that you’ll have
to do that. I don’t know anything about super-thermite.
People have talked to me about it, but I don’t really know
anything about it. |

Eurasian
air circulation and dispersal of depleted uranium
EURASIAN
AIR CIRCULATION AND DISPERSAL Movement of air masses through
contaminated regions transports the radioactive poison gas
and aerosols around the world, contaminating the environment
through dry and wet depositions, causing large increases globally
in uranium-related diseases and chronic illnesses, infertility,
and the feminization of men.
[Source: Peter Eyre, former British Naval Intelligence
and Middle East oil and gas consultant]
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Jim
Fetzer:
Well I would like for you to elaborate on that because this is
a very important point. I have longed believed that it was the
chemical residue that was going to tell us what was going on here.
Dr. Busby: Right. Well, from what I just said,
from what Emilio Della Guidice told me, this weapon is deuterium
dissolved in uranium. OK. Now if that’s the case, you’re
not going to get a hundred percent fusion. I mean I’d be
surprised if you got more than five percent fusion. And it could
well be that you could regulate the level of fusion by regulating
the gamma radioactivity of the uranium. So if you put more U235
into the mix, you might be able to increase the electron density
and therefore, because of the ionization of the U235 is much more
radioactive than U238, and then you might be able to regulate
the percentage of the material that went to cold fusion. But I
would be extremely surprised if the percentage of fusion was very
high at all.
Because,
if it were for me [to say], there would be all sorts of parts
of this weapon that didn’t reach super-saturation. So some
part of it would get this fusion reaction and it would blow the
rest of it away. Just like the atom bombs. That’s why they
had to put these big uranium casings on the atom bomb because
the initial fission explosion would blow everything away and then
the neutron density would fall down, so you would lose a lot of
efficiency. And even the way in which they did it with atom bombs,
they still only got about five percent fission. So there was an
awful lot of wastage.
And
the same here. So the wastage, of course, would lead to all that
deuterium being released in the explosion as deuterium, not having
been turned into anything else… like tritium and so forth
and would be able to be there in the ground, see, and hence the
deuterium.
Jim Fetzer: Let me pose the plausibility of the
following scenario. We have firefighters who were reporting hearing
‘boom boom boom boom’. It was 110 stories and it took
approximately 11 seconds to be completely destroyed, I believe
we were listening to a series of explosions that were blowing
out 10 floors at a time. Would that sound plausible using these
types of weapons?
Dr. Busby: I really don’t know. I’m
not a weapons expert. All I can say…I mean…all of
this is the sort of back walk, I mean we walked away from what
I know, which is that we discovered enriched uranium in Fallujah.
Jim Fetzer: Yes.
Dr. Busby: And walking back from that we then
think well why is there enriched uranium in Fallujah and then
we say ‘well look here, one of the possibilities is that
they developed this weapon.’ And then you add all of the
other stuff in and it means that maybe this weapon exists.
Jim Fetzer: Yes.
Dr. Busby: I have no idea how powerful it is,
but I would suggest that it is very very powerful in terms of
its size. So if you want something that’s small that somebody
can walk and just stick it in the corner somewhere that has enough
power to blow this building down, you know, then it’s a
good bet. In other words, otherwise you’d have to take a
suitcase of TNT, or maybe like, you know, suitcases that would
make it more difficult…
Jim Fetzer: Oh it would be massive quantities
of TNT, massive quantities… Just to mention in response
to Leuren’s interest in the nano-thermite, it has less than
13 percent the explosive power of TNT.
Leuren Moret: A chemical explosive does not release
enough energy to do what happened to the World Trade Center buildings,
which was to nano-powder them. And they were in lower orbital
space within 48 hours of the disaster. Those are very very tiny
particles and I am an atmospheric dust expert. I’ve never
heard of it going up into lower orbital space that fast.
Jim Fetzer: Doesn’t what Chris is describing
sound very plausible conjecture, admittedly as a conjecture? But
of course the crucial part of scientific reasoning is speculation,
identifying hypotheses for further investigation. You know I think…
Leuren Moret: The whole key to what happened
at the World Trade Center is the energy budget. How much energy
was necessary to break those building materials into nano-particles?
And that could not come from a chemical explosive.
And
secondly, the data that Dr. Thomas Cahill reported from his air
monitoring of the World Trade Center for five months beginning
October 5th after 9-11 was…He’s the one that reported
high levels of uranium, elevated levels of uranium in the dust
that was released from the WTC, the highest concentration of fine
particles ever measured in an air sample in the US and the highest
concentration of metal ever measured in an air sample in the US.
And also he reported deuterium, tritium, and like I said the elevated
uranium levels.
Jim Fetzer: Go ahead Chris, yes.
Dr. Busby: Well, there you are. You have all
those three ingredients, don’t you? The tritium, the deuterium
and the uranium – yes, that’s all you need. It seems
quite a plausible hypothesis.
Jim Fetzer: It does indeed and I just want to
clear, Chris, about the ingredients. You have the deuterium that
is a solution of uranium, or depleted uranium, powder that is
diluted with deuterium, and then all you have to do is project
it or impose some pressure upon it to cause it to…
Dr. Busby: That’s right. That’s how
it works.
Jim Fetzer: That’s astounding! That’s
just simply astonishing!
Leuren Moret: And then to add to that…to
add to that, New York City is still radioactive after 9-11.
And
when I started a depleted uranium Geiger counter movement in Hawaii
in 2007, the police chief of New York City tried to get a law
passed, he panicked because New Yorkers were contacting me and
wanted to do a Geiger counter survey in New York City. And he
tried to get a law passed in New York City that prohibited citizens
from having or using Geiger counters or any air-monitoring instruments.
It failed.
Jim Fetzer: What an arbitrary, capricious and
tyrannical step to propose! I mean, that’s just stunning,
Leuren. We’re talking about health hazard detection devices.
They were supposed to be made illegal in New York City?
Leuren Moret: That’s right. Because as
long as the government agencies are measuring the radiation levels,
we’ll never get the truth. But once American citizens, or
Japanese citizens or people in other countries start making the
measurements themselves, then the cat is out of the bag. It’s
extremely empowering and very powerful and it really pushes the
military and the government up against the wall. And so it’s
very important for Americans and citizens around the world to
have measuring devices.
Dr.
Busby just went to Japan. Tell them what happened, Chris.
Dr. Busby: Oh, well, sure. I said I wasn’t
going to go very close to Fukushima because I was scared of dying,
basically. So they said, “You can come 100 kilometers and
we’ll get the citizens of Fukushima to come to you”,
which they did.
So
I went to a place called Aizuwakamatsu,
and they said “Oh, the levels of radioactivity there are
quite low.” Now I have a portable gamma-spectrometer. It’s
really quite a sophisticated piece of kit, which I got from the
East Germans – call it the Germans now – but basically
I still think of them as the East Germans, in Dresden. A very
very nice piece of equipment, which consisted of a germanium-scintillation
counter, a two and a half inch sodium iodide detector and then
a little mini-computer and stuff.
And
we found in Aizu Wakumatsu, we found using a Geiger counter that
there were levels of about 5.5 microsieverts per hour, which is
about 5, 6, 7 times higher than background. And we set up this
thing and made it the spectrum there and found enormous
levels of cesium-137 and cesium-134, and also the signal appeared
to show the presence of uranium-235.
And
since then, I have brought that sample back to England and had
it tested in another laboratory using a high-resolution camera
and what this shows is that there is a signal from U235, uranium-235.
And that the ratio of U238 to U235 is quite anomalous. Again,
it’s very highly enriched uranium, but it’s much more
highly enriched than Fallujah. As far as the signal is concerned,
based on the thorium daughter isotopes, it seems that there is
at least a 4 to 1 ratio of enriched U235 to U238, whereas it should
be about 140 [to 1]. So there is something causing a lot of U235
and it could well be the presence of plutonium-239. Because U235
is the daughter of plutonium-239, and of course there was one
of the one of the reactors at Number 3 that had MOX fuel [MOX:
mixed uranium and plutonium oxide fuel] which burned and exploded
and so on. So I think there is quite a lot of contamination of
plutonium all over the whole area there. But of course all of
this has been covered up by the Japanese authorities…
Jim Fetzer: And with complicity from the American
government, it appears, and I think…
Dr. Busby: And I would say probably encouragement
from the American government.
Jim Fetzer: And in part, no doubt, on behalf
of the nuclear power industry because they don’t want Americans
to be alarmed by the massive risks they are confronting by having
these power plants distributed all over the country.
Leuren Moret: Of course, of course. There is
just an absolute massive global cover-up. |

Livermore
Whistleblower Leuren Moret
LIVERMORE
WHISTLEBLOWER: Staff
Scientist Leuren Moret exposed science fraud, graft, corruption,
and contractor fraud in 1991 at the Livermore nuclear weapons
lab. She has traveled to 50 countries to carry out an education
campaign against nuclear technologies. [Photo:
courtesy of Leuren Moret 2005]
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Dr.
Busby: In
my country in Britain, I managed to get on to the BBC right at
the beginning before they figured out what was going on and I
haven’t been on air since then. And there is a whole stream
of people out there on television saying ‘oh, really no
problem’ and ‘very low doses and nobody will be harmed’
and so forth. It’s an entire cover-up operation. It’s
quite sickening.
Jim Fetzer: And I found the same with the BBC
in covering research that I and others had done about 9-11. They
were very adept when I’d be discussing one feature reported
by photographic evidence. When they broadcast, they showed another
photograph with different features and they did that in a pattern
suggesting I hadn’t known what I was talking about, when
in fact I had explained to them when they were here at my home,
this most recent taping for four hours, the differences that were
involved here, and nevertheless, they performed a sleight-of-hand
during their documentaries.
Dr. Busby: How interesting. How interesting.
Jim Fetzer: I have actually published this in
a piece titled “The
BBC’s Instrument of 9/11 Misinformation”
on Veterans
Today.
But
Chris I’ve got to say how much I admire what you have been
doing here. This Fallujah catastrophe is going to go down as one
of the great war crimes in history, comparable to the bombing
of Guernica which Picasso immortalized. It is just grief inducing
to hear about the consequences, and I gather, based upon your
research, it is evident that this contamination is reaching around
the globe, that it has the potential to effect the entire human
species genetically.
Dr. Busby: Yes, that’s right. That’s
right. We have measured this stuff in places like in the atomic
weapons establishment in the United Kingdom. And it is not surprising
at all because these particles are basically gas, and they are
so small, you know, 50 nanometers, a hundred nanometers, they
can’t really be considered to be solids. They are aerosols
and they just behave as a gas, and they float all over the place.
They float all around the globe and they contaminate everybody,
so no man is an island in this case. Absolutely.
Jim Fetzer: It seems to me that between the catastrophes
in Fallujah, in Iraq generally, in the Gulf of Mexico, and Fukushima
that we are doing a pretty good job of contaminating our environment
and making the planet uninhabitable at least for the long run
for the human species because of genetic abnormalities which are
going to lead to such a high percentage of deaths. And really
it is going to stem the reproduction of the species. It seems
to me it’s inevitable at this point in time. |

SAMUEL
T. COHEN, INVENTOR OF THE NEUTRON (FUSION) BOMB Sam Cohen holds
up a Vatican Peace (for War) Medal for inventing the neutron
bomb (for Peace), given to him by Pope John Paul I. He designed
the neutron bomb with just pencil, paper and a slide rule. (Photo:
San Jose Mercury News) |
Dr. Busby: Well
you say “we” but it’s not you or me, James.
These are actual people and they’ve got names and addresses,
and we’re talking about a split in the human race between
the bad guys and the good guys. It’s a bit like the Lord
of the Rings. There are bad guys and they do have names and ultimately
I hope that they will send them to jail for a very long time.
Jim Fetzer: But the consequences, I fear, is
not merely, you know, those who are responsible, but the enduring
effects, which, it seems to me, are going to prove to be insurmountable,
that there’s going to be no way to circumvent the consequences
to the human species with respect to its capacity for reproduction
based upon the genetic defects that are being induced by these
calamities. It includes, of course, not just the radioactive disaster
at Fukushima but also those induced by the use of Corexit in the
Gulf of Mexico, and everything you have been describing in Iraq,
which is horrendous by itself.
Dr. Busby: Yes, they were of course. And I can
tell you one thing…that the Israelis, for example, carried
out a study in Jerusalem about two years ago of sperm counts in
young men. And what they found was that there was such a reduction
in sperm counts [a 40% decline in sperm count/quality in last
ten years] that the authors of this article, which was in a peer-reviewed
journal, said that if this rate in reduction of sperm count continued
at the same rate, by the time 2020, there will be no more Israelis.
That will be it – finished. It will be like the Newfoundland
cod.
Jim Fetzer: By the year when? How distant was
their projection?
Dr. Busby: By 2020. Their project was 2020. If
it continues…
Jim Fetzer: 2020!
Dr. Busby: By 2020, that would be the end of
Israel.
Jim Fetzer: 2020 — and this is already
2011!
Leuren Moret: The sperm count in the last ten
years has declined 40 percent in Israeli men. It was already at
least 20 percent in decline because of nuclear technology, but
at this rate, by 2020, just as Dr. Busby has said, basically Israeli
men will be sterilized. At 20 percent sperm count, men are
considered to be sterile. [See HAARETZ: “Study:
Quality of Israeli sperm down 40% in past decade” by
Ofri Ilani (11.05.09)
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/study-quality-of-israeli-sperm-down-40-in-past-decade-1.275772]
Jim Fetzer: Are we aware of what might be the
specific causes of this reduction in sperm count among the Israeli
…
Dr. Busby: It’s uranium. It’s the
uranium. The uranium is floating all around the Middle East.
Jim Fetzer: Including, at part, perhaps their
own production of weapons where they have one of the larger stock
piles, the largest in the Middle East, but also a large one worldwide.
Dr. Busby: It’s the uranium in the atmosphere.
It’s the uranium. That’s what it is. Its inhaled and
then it goes directly into the system…
Jim Fetzer: So we’re just talking about
these Israeli men as a sample of a larger population problem worldwide?
Leuren Moret: No. What happened is I have photographs
during the Gaza attack of the Israeli Defense Forces [IDF] dropping
8 and 10 depleted uranium bunker busters at a time [carpet bombing
with DU] along the Israeli Gaza border, which is up on the heights.
There’s nobody living up there. The Gaza population lives
along the ocean, the Mediterranean coastline, and the Israeli
Defense Forces were deliberately bombing their own border and
I have airflow charts and photographs of the wind blowing from
the Mediterranean, up to the heights, and blowing all that uranium
dust into Israel. |

JANUARY
2009 ATTACK ON GAZA: Exploding depleted (DU) uranium bomb,
with 4 incoming DU bombs just above the fireball, on the heights
above Gaza at the Israeli-Gaza border. The Gaza shoreline
and Mediterranean Sea are in the back-ground. The onshore
winds on this day in early 2009, carried the radioactive dust
and smoke over the Israeli border in minutes, exposing the
Israeli population to high levels of radiation in the air,
and permanent contamination of the Israeli environment –
air, water, soil, and food.
[Source: “UN 2008 Report: Evidence of
Global Decline In Population and Fertility”, presented
by Leuren Moret, at Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Confer. Sept.
20, 2009]
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Jim
Fetzer:
Wow. And I presume a comparable reduction in sperm count is taking
place in the Palestinian population.
Leuren Moret: Actually their population is expanding.
The Israeli population is shrinking.
Jim Fetzer: That’s stunning, isn’t
it? Stunning!
Leuren Moret: Well, they have a lot more children
than the Israelis.
Jim Fetzer: Yes, but if the sperm count was being
affected on both sides, it wouldn’t be happening this way
either.
Dr. Busby: The Palestinians have a lot more babies,
that’s all, same percentage…doesn’t matter same
effect.
Jim Fetzer: Oh, so you are suggesting they could
have the lower sperm count but because of reproducing, having
more children than the Israelis, which of course is a well known
socioeconomic phenomenon…
Leuren Moret: Right!
Jim Fetzer: …that the higher educated,
the higher socioeconomic…
Dr. Busby: Have you noticed in the West, well
I don’t know about America, but I certainly know in this
country that it is getting more and more difficult to have babies.
I mean there is all of this technology going into IVF (in vitro
fertilization) now and so forth. You know when I was young, you
know, you only had to shake hands with a woman and she would be
pregnant.
Jim Fetzer: (laughs)
Dr. Busby: I mean, I can tell you…
Jim Fetzer: I got it, Chris, yes. That’s
great.
Dr. Busby: But nowadays its not like that. You
have to get fancy doctors and have all sorts of treatments.
Jim Fetzer: Don’t you imagine it is also
a function of the increased use of electronic equipment and wireless
transmissions and cell phones?
Dr. Busby: Yes, I think I know about that too.
If you want to start me on that one, I think we figured that one
out.
Jim Fetzer: Yes, give us a few words about that
before we have to part because this has been simply superb.
Dr. Busby: OK. This is how it works. All of the
effects of ionizing radiation are transmitted in the body in the
form of charged particle tracks and most of these are electrons.
So what happens is a gamma ray is absorbed by material in the
body water, in the cell, and it generates a photoelectron. So
the electron is wheeling off. And it is the photoelectron that
causes all of the ionization that leads to the genetic damage.
So it is charged particle tracks that cause cancer. Now if you
put a charged particle track in the body electric into an electric
field, then the energy of the electron or the particle is absolutely
added to by the electric field.
And
this is how television works. You shoot an electron down a cathode
ray tube and you perturb its motion by putting it an electric
field or a magnetic field, so you put any body contaminated with
radiation into an electro-magnetic field, the energy is transferred
to the body and it is transferred to the charged particles, to
the electron. So obviously what you are doing is merely increasing
the impact, if you like, the momentum, of the ionizing radiation…
Leuren Moret: The energy release. Yes.
Dr. Busby: And so that…what you are doing
is augmenting the ionizing radiation dose.
Jim Fetzer: Say the last part…you’re
ionizing the radiation…?
Dr. Busby: You’re augmenting the
radiation, you’re increasing the ionizing radiation dose.
So the ionizing radiation that you would normally get in the absence
of a mobile phone, so you haven’t got a mobile phone, you’re
sitting in a room with all the electrons whirling around causing
genetic damage, and that’s called background radiation.
So then you pick up your mobile phone, you switch it on and say
“Hello mum it’s me’ all right, and what happens
then is quite a few milliwatts per cubic centimeter then go into
your brain, and all of that energy is electromagnetic energy.
Now
as far as the electron tracks are concerned, they see no difference
between that and an electric field or a magnetic field. So instead
of whizzing along in a straight line, [an electric field causes
the electrons to] wiggle about. So they’re increasing the
amount of energy they deposit in the tissue over the amount that
they normally would in the absence of the mobile phone radiation.
Well, this is really quite remarkable.
We
tried to do research on this at the Karolinska Institute [where
the Nobel prizes are awarded in Norway]. We put in an application
for funding and they freaked out and they shut down my main laboratory.
They got so upset about this that my colleague, Olav Johansen,
who is like a world authority on this – he and I were going
to do research on this and show that it is true, using all sorts
of techniques, you know, Monte Carlo modeling and cloud chambers
and all sorts of…
Jim Fetzer: So the greatest risk from cell phone
usage may not be a form of brain cancer but rather some kind of
genetic damage?
Dr. Busby: No, no, it is a form of brain cancer.
That’s how cancer forms. Cancer forms because of genetic
damage. You get cancer from genetic damage, so all I’m saying
is that the genetic damage that you normally get from ionizing
radiation increases because the ionizing radiation borrows [absorbs]
energy from the electromagnetic field. That’s it. The point
is what they say is that it is not possible for the electromagnetic
field on its own to interact with genetic material because the
quantum energy is not high enough. But that is not the point…what
I say is that it is not about the quantum energy being ionized,
it adds its energy to the electron [from internal
exposure to ionizing radiation]…
Jim Fetzer: It’s additive. Yes yes yes,
so it does that much more damage between what the body is used
to and not used to, the threshold is transcended and therefore
it brings about…
Dr. Busby: No, normally you get cancer because
of radiation. In other words, in a year you get two millisieverts,
and then over the years the millisieverts add up and when you’re
70, you get cancer. OK So, you multiply that by say 140 millisieverts
and your body starts to fall apart. But if you sit there
with an electromagnetic field, with a mobile phone, that just
doubles it, so instead of two millisieverts in a year, you’re
now getting four millisieverts in a year.
Jim Fetzer: Yes Yes. and all the concomitant
effects that will bring about…
Dr. Busby: Well it just doubles your rate of
cancer and it doubles your rate of aging.
Leuren Moret: It’s a multiplier effect.
Jim Fetzer: It’s a multiplier effect, not
merely additive.
Dr. Busby: Yes, correct, it is a multiplier effect.
Jim Fetzer: Christopher Busby, I cannot tell
you how much I admire what you have been doing and the value of
your contributions is immeasurable. This has been a most important
conversation, and I am so grateful you could join me. Leuren,
of course, I have long admired your many contributions and I am
so grateful to have the both of you here together today. So I
want to profess my profound appreciation to you, Leuren Moret,
and to you, Christopher Busby for the exceptional quality of your
work and your contributions to humanity. I admire you both.
Leuren Moret: Well we appreciate you.
Dr. Busby: You’re welcome.
Jim Fetzer: So this is Jim Fetzer, your host
on “The Real Deal” thanking my specials guests today,
Christopher Busby from the UK, Leuren Moret from California, and
all of you for listening.
Interview participants
Jim Fetzer, McKnight
Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, is
a former Marine Corps officer and the founder of Scholars for
9/11 Truth.
Leuren Moret is an independent
geoscientist who has done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster,
radiation problems around the world including depleted uranium.
Dr. Christopher Busby
is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University
of Ulster and is the co-author of reports about the effects
of depleteed uranium in Iraq especially in Fallujah. |
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