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The Real Deal

Dr. James Fetzer
erview with

Dr. Chris Busby
and Leuren Moret

Fallujah, Fukushima,
& the Global
Radiation Catastrophe

Broadcast Friday, 3 February 2012


"The Real Deal" Radio Show
(February 3, 2012)

Host: Jim Fetzer: James Fetzer Ph.D.
Dr. Busby: Christopher Busby, Ph.D.
Leuren Moret: Leuren Moret, B.S., M.A., PhD (ABD)

Real Deal download page here, MP3 download here (41.2 MB, 1:59:59).

Part I, also published at Veterans Today here
Part II of two parts at Veterans Today link here

Editor’s Note: This transcription was prepared by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books, who also helped organize this interview.


A camel lies dead at the side of a road near the Saudi capital of Riyadh. Millions of camels have very likely died from DU and other radiation that continues to spread and precipitate across the Middle East and Central Asia.



by Dr. James Fetzer
and Leuren Moret


Over the past century, the American military has been transformed into the supreme global “military cop”, in large measure for the financial benefit of the international banking cartel and transnational corporations.
This transformation is manipulated daily by the international financiers, also known as the Zionist Anglo-American “permanent war crimes racketeering syndicate”, which secures mineral resources in weaker countries and pumps vast quantities of drugs into the global market.
Headquartered in Hong Kong, the UK and China are partners in a hidden global drug economy with 5 times more money circulating than in the economy we know.
The cost of these military adventures since World War II, accelerated by the introduction of nuclear weapons, has been very high and may even lead to the extinction of our species.

Two million US soldiers and veterans since 1990 are medically disabled, dying homeless in the streets of America, with little help from the US government.
Poisoned with depleted uranium and the “smog of war”, soldiers are guaranteed a death sentence on the modern battlefield where a new form of nuclear Kabuki warfare has been secretly raging for more than twenty years.

The global effect of the resulting nuclear pollution has been a drastic increase in birth defects, infant mortality, and death rates across continents, regions and mountain ranges.
A stunning global decline in fertility and birth rates, with an increase in death rates, will result in the economic decline and loss of cultural and physical viability in countries, where the replacement birth rate is falling and populations are shrinking.
Elevated levels of uranium in Los Angeles drinking water were reported, and correlated with individual battles in the Middle East and Afghanistan during 2006-07.
Iran has one of the highest declines of fertility in the world, from 8+ children per woman before Chernobyl in 1986, to less than two children per woman by 2002, and continuing to decline over the past decade.
The astounding increase in Iranian deaths in 2006-07, was 3.6 million, a seemingly inexplained 4.7% drop in population in a single year. In the same time period many thousands of camels died throughout the Middle East and North Africa, 5,000 alone in Saudi Arabia and no known cause.
Such a catastrophic and acute phenomenon in both humans and animals indicates an environmental cause. Forensic evidence is now emerging that Iran has been the target of a covert nuclear war since 1990, carried out by the US and the UK from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran is not the real nuclear threat, which instead derives from the US and Britain, who are partners in new forms of nuclear annihilation with the world’s population downwind. Brace yourself for what you are about to learn.


German Salt Mine Storage - the Sloppy Days




Part I


Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal with a return engagement of two simply extraordinary guests I have had in the past. Leuren Moret, an independent geoscientist who has done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster and radiation problems around the world, including depleted uranium, and Dr. Christopher Busby, a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University of Ulster and the co-author of reports about the effects of depleted -- but it turns out to be enriched uranium -- in Iraq, especially in Fallujah. Our interviews about this have been previously archived at Veterans Today, in particular under the heading of [hour one: "Catastrophic Effects of Radiation Contamination" and hour two:] "New Bombs and War Crimes in Fallujah" Leuren and Chris welcome to the show.
Dr. Christopher Busby: Yes, hello.
Leuren Moret: Thank you.
Dr. Fetzer: I am so pleased to have you both here today. I thought we would begin with Leuren giving us an update on what has been going on with Occupy Wall Street in Oakland and related issues, because it seems as though the government is using military-type tactics and weapons, some of which appear to be very sophisticated. Leuren, could you bring us up to date?
L. Moret: Well in October the Homeland Security local law enforcement, the Oakland Police Department, which is the FBI COINTELPRO headquarters for northern California, and even troops from Bahrain in the Middle East practiced terrorism drills on the UC Berkeley campus. This was in October in anticipation of the Occupy movement. And so now we know they are including foreign troops in this too.
[See From Occupation to “Occupy”: The Israelification of American Domestic Security by Max Blumenthal, al-akhbar.com, December 2, 2011]
Dr. Fetzer: That is pretty bizarre, all by itself, Leuren, foreign troops in the United States. I think if the American people knew that, they would be outraged.


Fig. 1: ISRAEL’S ELITE SWAT TEAM WINS INTERNATIONAL URBAN SHIELD 2011 COMPETITION - For the second consecutive year since Israel's Police elite SWAT team, the "YaMaM," has participated in the prestigious Urban Shield counter-terror competition in the USA, the YaMam has once again won first place. Similar to last year's impressive win, Israel's accomplishment remains strangely, highly under-reported. The only mention of this impressive achievement is on the Facebook page for Israel's police. 32 SWAT teams from the USA, the FBI and from other countries, participated in the non-stop 48 hour competition. The competition included counter-terror, dealing with serious crimes, hostage retrieval, and a variety of tactical and urban combat situations.


L. Moret: Well people are pretty outraged here. And so then the Occupy movement, pretty much in California, started on the UC Davis campus which is one of the most conservative of the UC campuses because it has an agriculture history. And now this is really interesting, the new chancellor of UC Davis -- I have two degrees from UC Davis -- is a Greek woman, and she was involved in the student riots and protests in Greece, I have forgotten when it happened, maybe the 60's or 70's. And she is extremely conservative and she refused to even talk to the students. They were just sitting on the sidewalks in silence and in a park, and she ordered the UC Davis police to go down and pepper spray those protestors, so there are these great video clips taken from cell phones of this officer just walking up and down this line of maybe 30 or 50 students sitting with their heads down and their hands on their laps, and he just sprayed them in the face and all over their bodies with pepper spray. And so the Occupy movement spread from there and we have had a lot of Occupy movement situations going on for the last couple of weeks in Oakland, California, which is across the San Francisco Bay from San Francisco.


Fig. 2: OCCUPY MOVEMENT AT U.C. DAVIS CAMPUS (Photo: REUTERS - Brian Nguyen) A University of California at Davis police officer pepper-sprays students during their sit-in at an "Occupy UCD" demonstration in Davis, California in this 18 November 2011 file photo. Source: http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/occupation-%E2%80%9Coccupy%E2%80%9D-israelification-american-domestic-security


Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, I have seen those videos of the campus police officer pepper-spraying those students, and it is completely stunning. They are totally passive.
[See: “Police pepper spraying and arresting students at UC Davis (video)”; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM]



L. Moret: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: I am sure it violates all of the guidelines for the use of pepper spray. It is not only blatantly unethical, abusive of the students, but I am sure it is in violation of the law.
L. Moret: There was not even any justification for it.
Dr. Fetzer: No justification whatsoever.
L. Moret: And so what has happened as a result is that the police presence and police force keeps getting ramped up with each one of these Occupy situations in different cities and campuses. And just on the weekend, that would be the end of January, in Oakland they arrested 400 people. And then the demonstrators were marching through Oakland. They were going to occupy an empty building and the police have just increased their pressure to shut it down. And along with this is that there has been an increase in communications disruption, telephones, Internet, computers, with an increase in electromagnetic frequency weapons used at all levels against everyone in various parts of the U.S. on the Occupy movement. And this was all funded by George Soros. The whole Occupy movement in the U.S. is a George Soros project. And it is a continuation of the colored and flowered revolutions that he funded in Central Asia, then Eastern Europe, then North Africa, then the Middle East, and so basically the United States is being overthrown right now in a silent revolution funded by George Soros who is an agent for the City of London bankers. The Rothschilds.
[See “Reuters: Soros Money Is Behind Occupy Wall Street Protests” by Jim Hoft, thegatewaypundit.com, October 13, 2011, http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/reuters-soros-money-behind-occupy-wall-street-protests/
Dr. Fetzer: Well, elaborate on that Leuren. I mean, you know, Soros as an agent, what would the Rothschild banking system have to benefit from the Occupy movement?
.L. Moret: Well, it is an overthrow of the U.S. government. The North American governments. They are even doing Occupy movements in Canada. So it is a transition. And it is a transition from civil society and more democratic governments to fascism. This has been underway for a long time. And Tun Dr. Mahathir [bin Mohamad], the former prime minister of Malaysia, who Dr. Busby has also joined with us at conferences, antiwar conferences, organized by Dr. Mahathir in Malaysia, he told me about George Soros and how George Soros had gone into Southeast Asian countries and looted their economies. And he said Indonesia was the most damaged. And he said they tried to loot Malaysia, which Dr. Mahathir built that whole economy over his 22 year period as prime minister of Malaysia. And he said he was able to fight very hard and to protect most of the money in the economy. He said they got some, but they didn't get very much. And so these operatives, Warren Buffet is another one, they are all operating on behalf of the international financiers. And these Soros-funded revolutions all over Central Asia and Eastern Europe and North Africa and the Middle East and now North America are to destabilize governments and weaken them so that the bankers can steal more money.
[See: Aaron Russo “America: Freedom to Fascism (video)” (2006) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUpZhhbKUBo. See also “Insane McCain, Obama’s Grand Chessboard, and Russia’s Color Revolution” by Morgan D. Rose, pakalertpress.com, December 11, 2011, http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/12/11/insane-mccain-obama%E2%80%99s-grand-chessboard-and-russia%E2%80%99s-color-revolution/]



Dr. Fetzer: Well Leuren, let me ask a couple of rather naive questions. It seems to me the United States has already become a fascist police state, that signing the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 which subverted four or five different articles of the Bill of Rights was like completing a grand slam against the Constitution that was initiated by the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act under George W. Bush. It seemed to me therefore that not only has Barack Obama and most of the politicians, the Senators and Congressmen who have been supporting all of this violated their oath, the same oath I took as a Marine Corps officer to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic, but that the Occupy movement has been there to protest the growing inequalities in the distribution of wealth between the one percent and the 99% and also to oppose these endless wars of aggression against nations that never attacked us, including in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, and of course the threatened attack on Iran, which has no justification whatsoever. So it has seemed to me that the Occupy movement was been a positive sign of young people in this country becoming politically aware and taking active measures to oppose the fascist police state that is already here. So I am puzzled, you know, that your take seems to be that the Occupy movement is a tool of fascism when it seems to me that the Occupy movement has been a form of resistance to fascism.
L. Moret: Well it appears to be a form of resistance. That is one aspect of it. And certainly not all people participating are bad. But, I would like you to answer a question. Why did George Soros privately fund the Occupy movement through a private organization, an NGO, that is almost exclusively lawyers?
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, I have no idea. Actually, personally, I don't know that to be the case, but assuming --
L. Moret: It is the case. It is the case.
Dr. Fetzer: But assuming it is the case, I just don't have an answer for that.
L. Moret: This is not a grass roots movement. This is a Soros-funded takeover or introduction of the police state. But I don't want to really talk about this any more because Dr. Busby is on the line and maybe we should move on to --
[See: “Another Soros Tie to Occupy Wall Street Envisions 'New Economic World Order' no longer dominated by U.S.” by Aaron Klein, wnd.com, http://www.wnd.com/2011/12/355477/]

Dr. Fetzer: No, I am just curious the difference in our general takes on this because I thought the occupy movement was a positive --
L. Moret: I don't really know that much about it. I know who funded it. I know it is a private organization. And it is made up of lawyers, and I know this is not originally a grass roots movement.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, yes, yes. Well Chris, I don't know if you feel comfortable adding your own perspective to this, but if you do, I would be glad to have it.
Dr. Busby: Well I think the real question here is who are the bad guys. In the last five years I have had every single group of people named to me by different conspiracy theorists as being the bad guys. From the Zionists to the lizards from outer space to the Rothschilds who very commonly pop up to all sorts of Jewish bankers. I mean there is an entire sort of spectrum of conspiracy theories out there, and I kind of put them all on the shelf of my mind, you know, as possible. But my main belief is that rather than moaning about what is happening, I think the time has come to try and do something about it. And what I think is required here is some sort of new ideology. And I am working with some colleagues to try and create such a thing. Because what it seems to me is that with the fall of the Soviet Union, the last major world ideology if you like, we now live in a sort of a monstrous chaos situation which is just controlled by a lot of different people who are all scrabbling for power in a system which is dominated by money and by a sort of monster created by an economic system. And in a sense to my mind you don't really have to have bad guys. The system itself is the bad guy. It is going to create the economics. Once you set up this sort of economic system and allow it to run, it almost automatically produces a monster. And this monster is a short term gains monster. So you have a whole load of organizations, if you like, all connected to each other by instant communication systems which are constantly aimed at making more money instantly on the basis of any change in their environment and that to me is sufficient to explain nearly everything thing that is going on. Now in the late 1960's, obviously I am a Hippie, I come from a long -- I suspect Leuren was one too, you know...
Dr. Fetzer: [Laughter].
Dr. Busby: Well, I am sure she was, really.
Dr. Fetzer: [More laughter]
L. Moret: I really was not a Hippie, believe it or not.
Dr. Busby: Weren't you?
Dr. Fetzer: Should have been. Should have been!
Dr. Busby: Call it a Hippie or call it what you like, but there was an enormous movement after the Second World War to try and make the world into a nice place, you know. A nice, loving place where there was sort of equitable and just system for people to live happily. And there were a lot of very clever people, French intellectuals and philosophers and all sorts of psychologists and sociologists who were all trying to deconstruct the causes of the various world wars that there were. And by and large they succeeded, I think. Then we had this ideology that everybody could live happily and so forth, and there were revolutions, rather like the one you are talking about now, I guess. You know there were more revolutions. We had them in Germany, and Europe and in England. I was involved in the English one. But the problem is that they actually succeeded in a way. But when they got to the point where they succeeded, nobody knew what to put in the place of the system that they had overthrown, intellectually and in terms of the general feeling of people, it seems to me. And what happened then was Reagan and Thatcher and all the bastards all kind of struck back, and the Hippie movement was brought down by drugs and so forth. And since then nothing really has been there to replace it in terms of an ideology. I think that is what is badly needed, an ideology, and I don't think it is this group or that group or the other group, although I am sure they are all struggling for power. And they are all bad guys, but I don't see it in quite the same terms as Leuren. I am sure Soros funds all sorts of people. But I am sure all sorts of people fund all sorts of people, in the hope that they might be able to gain something out of it. It doesn't mean to say that they are the only bad guys around. That is my take on all of this sort of thing, anyway, and I think it is time we started to develop a new ideology.


INSERT FIG. 3: WHO IS THE REAL NUCLEAR THREAT? Iran is surrounded by 45 U.S. military bases, fully armed with nuclear weapons, used on Middle Eastern battlefields since 1990. Source: http://karmalised.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/map.jpg


Dr. Fetzer: I think that is very interesting. I myself have been among the Republican candidates for office stunned by Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum who have been calling for a first strike on Iran as though they were completely abysmally ignorant of world history. Iran hasn't attacked another country for over 300 years. Iran has signed the Nonproliferation Treaty. Iran has allowed inspectors into its country. There is no actual evidence that Iran is attempting to produce atomic weapons, indeed the Ayatollah has forbidden Iran from developing those weapons. Not only that, but if Iran had such a weapon it could not use it offensively without running the risk of nuclear annihilation. In fact a representative for the American Enterprise Institute has acknowledged that it really isn't a question of whether Iran does or does not have nuclear weapons but rather of Iran's influence over the Middle East. More recently we have reports of the actual issue that concerns the peaceful use of atomic energy that Iran is planning to develop the nuclear energy rods that are needed to run the reactors and that they have the potential to undercut the American nuclear energy industry and thereby cut into their profits, perhaps even put them out of business. And that that is really what is going on. But it actually is all a charade. That the nuclear weapon issue is simply a complete smoke screen and if anyone cared about nuclear weapons in the Middle East they ought to be concerned about Israel, which has 200 to 600 of these little beauties. It has never signed the Non-proliferation Treaty. Won't allow inspectors into its country. Where if Israel or the United States were to attack Iran, estimates have it that there would be a million deaths of Iranians outright, and that as the contamination clouds spread over Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India, there would be a minimum of 35 million more additional premature deaths, and indeed by some estimates, and I think the two of you are very well positioned to comment on this, by the estimates since there are some 80 of these different sites developing nuclear energy in Iran, that the results, the contamination should be so catastrophic, including Strontium 90, that it has the potential to spread worldwide and risk the extinction of the human species.
Dr. Chris Busby: Well I think we are well on the way to that already, to be honest, without having to attack Iran. I mean at the moment we have the dissemination of radionuclides from Fukushima and from Chernobyl and from the weapons used in the Middle East, and the evidence is that this is already having an effect on human fertility and obviously therefore also the fertility of living systems.
So I am not sanguine about the future of the human race even now. But of course if they attack Iran, and I am sure that they would be using nuclear weapons to do so, and so it won't be just whatever it is they bomb in Iran, it will be the releases from the nuclear weapons themselves. And those of course will go all over the globe. We know from the weapons fallout in the 1960's what effect that has, and that has been the cause of the current cancer epidemic. And so, well, what can I say. I mean these are resource wars fundamentally. I mean all of these invasions of the Middle East by the United States and allies, but mainly the United States --
[See: Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment (pdf), By A Yablokov, V.B. Nesterenko, A.V. Nesterenko, J. Sherman; http://www.strahlentelex.de/Yablokov%20Chernobyl%20book.pdf]
L. Moret: And England!
Dr. Busby: -- Well, yes of course and England, but [these invasions] have been to control the resources of the Middle East. I think that is mainly what is -- and of course not only the resources of the Middle East, but the distribution of the resources of the Middle East using different types of money. Because one of the main problems going back to Saddam Hussein and then later on to Gaddafi was the decision by those people to move their financial systems into the Euro and in the case of Gaddafi into gold to create the Arab dinar. And so of course that would have undercut the dollar as a world trade currency, and the dollar as a world trade currency is the only way that the United States can survive. Because as long as that trade system exists, the dollars can just be created. They can just print them. But of course, you know, if they sell you the oil in the United States and they say, "Oh look, sorry mate but we want to have gold dinars," or "We want to have Euros for this, then you are in trouble because you don't have them."
L. Moret: I would like to make a comment too.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: Did you want to say something Jim?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, I just wanted to say that I wanted to stay for the moment in the Middle East, however, and then, during the next segment we will turn to Japan. But please do add what you would like to say.
L. Moret: Well during all the military adventures of the British Empire in the 1700's and 1800's they were, as everyone knows, all over the world and involved in India and China and so forth and so on. And all that militarism nearly bankrupted the British government. What has happened now in the 20th and 21st centuries is that the baton for militarism has been passed on from the British to the U.S. We are the military cop and the military bully for England now, the British Empire, and in Iraq and Afghanistan and also Yugoslavia, the United States sent many, many, many soldiers and funded all these military ventures. We have two million medically disabled American soldiers. I live in Berkeley California. They are living in the streets. They are dying next to the sidewalk behind bushes. They are dying in the parks. The VA has done almost nothing for them. And recently it came out that the government of China has now made an agreement or contracts or whatever to secure much of the oil reserves in Iraq. So could you please tell me how the U.S. benefited from invading Afghanistan to protect the British and their opium crops and to secure the oil for China which the London bankers are pumping now, and dumping the western economies, and I would just like to know what we got besides all the bills for all that militarism. And the wars are not over. The Navy is developing much more horrific electromagnetic rail guns to plunder more countries of their resources, mostly for the British and for corporations, international corporations. And I just think that we have to look at who is behind this global agenda. It is not just a few bad guys. It is financiers and corporations. And why are so many of our pension funds, university pension funds and investment portfolios, retirement pension funds, this is not just in the U.S., it is Canada too, and government pension funds are invested in the U.S. war machine. 250 American war corporations are much of the investment, much of the funds, retired government pension funds for Canadian government and the national government and for the different regions and provinces are invested in American war corporations. So until you follow the money you don't know what you are talking about. And I am not talking about the two of you.
[See: America’s Century to Regime Change From Hawaii to Iraq by Stephen Kinzer, http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805078614, and Dope Inc.; Britain's Opium War Against the U.S., http://www.whale.to/b/dopeinc.html, and The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy And Its Geostrategic Imperatives by Zbiegnew Brzezinski (1998), http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Chessboard-American-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329165856&sr=8-1]
Dr. Fetzer: [Laughter].
L. Moret: I mean me too. But until I started investigating nuclear weapons and the nuclear weapons program I had no idea about anything, any agenda, any bad guys, any politics, I could not care less. All I wanted to do was go on field trips all over the world. And when I started following the trail of the nuclear weapons it took ten years, Jim. And it took me to London and Wall Street. It is the international financiers that weapons of mass destruction exist for. And they have been created so that they can loot the world of natural resources.
[See: Eurasian Mineral Corporation; http://www.eurasianminerals.com/s/Home.asp]
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren those are all excellent points. We have to take our first break. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal with my special guests today Leuren Moret and Dr. Christopher Busby. We will be right back.


Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer your host on the Real Deal continuing my conversation with Leuren Moret, an independent geoscientist, who has done especially expert studies on Fukushima, and Dr. Christopher Busby, a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University of Ulster, who has done brilliant research on the effects of enriched uranium, it turns out in Iraq, especially in Fallujah. Leuren I think you were making some simply excellent points. I would just like to add that it also stuns me that these candidates for the Republican nomination are also abysmally ignorant of the history of international law where treaties into which the United States has entered in relation to the Constitution have the same status under the law as the Constitution itself and these extend as far back as the Hague Convention of 1899. the Kellogg-Briand Peace Treaty of 1928, and even the United Nations Charter which obligate member nations to negotiate with other nations and not to resort to military force, with the only exception is when they confront an imminent threat. There is no imminent threat posed by Iran, just as there was no imminent threat posed by Iraq or Afghanistan, much less Libya where NATO was the intermediary, all of which has disgusted me in the extreme. But for these people to offer themselves as candidates to become President of the United States, when they don't know history and they don't know international law is simply appalling. I mean they are actually talking about first strikes that would be in violation of the Constitution for which they are hoping to assume an office that would commit them to an oath to preserve, protect and defend. To me it is all about as absurd a form of political theater as one could imagine.
L. Moret: Well just look at Newt Gingrich. He can't even be faithful to his wives. Not just one wife. [Laughter]. So if people take an oath of office and they can't even keep their own family dynamics straight then how in the world could you ever trust them? I mean that is just politicians. But, another thing that I wanted to comment about is, oh gosh, now I forgot, wait a minute.
Dr. Fetzer: It will come back. It will come back. Chris, let me ask you this. I think we have, of course, based upon your research a dramatic reduction in normal births in Iraq. As I recall the statistics are like a fourth of Iraqi pregnancies end in still births, and of the live births, three quarters are suffering from severe genetic defects. And of course those genetic defects are going to remain in the genome of the Iraqi people indefinitely. I mean you know how are we ever going to overcome this problem?
Dr. Busby: Well it is not indefinitely. I mean what happens is that once the signal has run out of the genome, which is does following any person who does not have any child before they die, I mean that is basically how it works, then I suppose it will kind of recover. But it will be quite a long time. I mean from what we see from the studies that have been done after Chernobyl on mice and voles, there will be at least twenty two generations where these signals have maintained themselves. So it does seem as if there is going to be quite a lot of genetic damage manifested in those populations for quite a long time. And of course that is some kind of war crime.
L. Moret: It is irreversible.
Dr. Fetzer: Chris has explained that it may be something from which recovery is possible after a vast number, in this case of mice, twenty two generations, Leuren, so--
L. Moret: Well, Muller did early, early genetic studies before 1920 on Drosophila melanogaster which is the fruit fly. He exposed males to X-rays and then studied --because it is such a short reproductive cycle and you can get so many generations over a very short period of time -- even before 1920 he had proved that these mutations caused by ionizing radiation are permanent, in the genome, and they never reverse themselves. He won the Nobel Prize in 1946 for that work. It is irreversible. It is permanent, and there is no way it is going to mend itself.


Fig. 4: INCREASE OF BIRTH DEFECTS IN BELARUS (1988-1996) Early studies during bomb testing indicated that for each visible birth defect in fetuses exposed to ionizing radiation, ten internal defects occurred. When sperm or ovum carry mutations, the mutations are expressed in every cell of the new organism, and passed on to all future generations as permanent genetic damage. (Atomic Radiation and Life Rev.Edit. by P. Alexander (1965) Penguin Books. Source: Information bulletin of the population health in 18 contaminated territories and medical help to liquidators of the Chernobyl consequences in 1985-1996, Department of Health and Medical Industry of the Tula Region, Tula, 1997 (in Russian).


Dr. Fetzer: Well Chris, are you alluding to that portion of the population that may not have been so exposed or do you believe actually even in regard to the --
Dr. Busby: I think that everybody was exposed. But from what we know about genomic instability, and I am not talking about the genetic effects that Muller was studying, what we now know is that there is a random signal which is associated with what is called genomic instability. And this signal controls sort of random mutation in the descendants, in any individual that carries this signal. But actually not all individuals are set up to do this. So there does seem to be a proportion of any population which appears to be immune from this process and that the cells which are or would be affected by this process actually just die. So there seems to have been some kind of fork in evolution which has resulted in two types of individuals and two types of cells, too. The cell that when it receives damage just commits suicide and then the other sort of cell which when it receives damage switches on this genomic instability signal. So that is kind of what I am talking about. So there probably will be a proportion of this population who will have been exposed but will not manifest this signal in the same way as the others, or even at all.
Dr. Fetzer: If you are talking about 22 generations, and if we measured a generation in terms of, say, an early reproductive cycle, roughly 20 years, you are talking about 440 years.
Dr. Busby: Of course, yes, sure. I mean you know it is a very long time. So it is nothing that we should rejoice about. But I am just saying what seems to be the evidence of the moment.
Dr. Fetzer: The prospect that the human species is going to have extinguished itself long before there is genetic recovery in Iraq seems to me to be overwhelming.
Dr. Busby: I tell you I have just finished off a book about Fukushima, and in this book, which is in Japanese actually, I was writing with a Japanese woman, what we considered was the population of Belarus. Now if you look at the population of Belarus, after the Chernobyl accident there was an instant drop in the birth rate. It went down and down and down and down. And at the same time, at exactly the same point, the death rate went up and up and up and up and up. And about five years after the Chernobyl accident these two crossed each other and so if you divide the death rate by the birth rate or the birth rate by death rate you get sort of a demographic index which you can also plot. And what this shows is a loss of a number of people enabling replacement of the population. And when you get below a certain level, you just do not get population replacement. And that is what we see in Belarus and we see it in a lot of other countries affected by the Soviet Union. And we will certainly see it in Japan. And I think generally the way things are going, with the contamination of the biosphere by radionuclides from all sorts of sources, we are going to see this generally on the planet. And this is extraordinarily worrying.


Fig. 5: CHERNOBYL BIRTH RATES AND DEATH RATES (1985-95) Belarus birth rate and death rate in the Tula region (1985-1995): all districts, 18 contaminated areas and 7 clean districts. Source: Information bulletin of the population health in 18 contaminated territories and medical help to liquidators of the Chernobyl consequences in 1985-1996, Department of Health and Medical Industry of the Tula Region, Tula, 1997 (in Russian).


Dr. Fetzer: Chris, just for clarification, now as the replacement rate drops, you have a shrinking population. Now in relation to that shrinking population is it still the case that the replacement rate is going to lead to increasing shrinkage?
Dr. Busby: Well it certainly seems to be the case in Belarus when you look at it so far. And of course, you know, it is obvious just from mathematics that the fewer people you have to breed, the fewer children there will be, and therefore the fewer children there will be to breed and so on. I mean this is what we see in the Newfoundland cod, you know. If you reduce the population to a certain point, it cannot recover.
Dr. Fetzer: And we are talking about large scale human populations.
Dr. Busby: We certainly are. In Belarus, we are talking about an entire country. And I have seen similar effects when you look at the demographic index of the Baltic states where a lot of radioactivity came. I mean I haven't studied it extensively, but theoretically it is quite predictable that this effect is happening all over the globe. Of course the people who want to make loads of money would like to see this because there has been an enormous Malthusian expansion in population and people have been endlessly moaning about the fact that there are limits to the amount of food that can be produced and the amount of energy that is necessary to keep these people sustained and so on.
Dr. Fetzer: The carrying capacity.
Dr. Busby. So you could argue that if there were bad guys up there at the top, you know, and they had some kind of plan, then that plan might well include the extinction of a large proportion of the human race using some sort of chemical weapons. And of course that is another conspiracy theory that we read all over the place on the Internet.
Dr. Fetzer: But Chris, it seems as though this phenomenon is clearly going to take place in the Middle East.
Dr. Busby: Yes, I think so.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course in Japan, where I want to invite Leuren's comments, but she had previously observed, and I believe you two had confirmed, that in Israel itself that the replacement rate is not being fulfilled, and therefore that Israel is also destined for extinction.
Dr. Busby: That is right. Yes. That was pointed out following a study that was done in Jerusalem of sperm counts. But you have to consider, I mean the state of Israel to some extent, they would be very concerned about the Arab population because of just human behavior. Because the Arabs breed at a faster rate than the Israelis, so ultimately they would breed their way to democratic success. So any mechanism that would kill them off would be something that somebody might embrace, you know, if they were a bad guy, and they wanted to -- .
Dr. Fetzer: We are talking about "K selection and r selection."
Dr. Busby: Yes, sure, sure, sure. Anyway, you know, all of this is very sad, but all of it is very real as well. And I think that we need to -- well, I don't know what we need to do -- but we need certainly to communicate with the powerful and the rich, and the people who might well be in charge of trying to change the world in the way that Leuren is talking, to communicate with them that they actually are not going to survive either.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
Dr. Busby: That there is no way that they can cut themselves off from these effects.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes. I think that is part of their stupidity. They are simply so ignorant of ecology and evolution Chris that they do not understand that the consequences they are inducing on the subpopulations are going to affect the entire population eventually.
Dr. Busby: That's right.
L. Moret: I would just like to make a comment about for instance the Rothschilds who are the London bankers, and they certainly have a global grip on economics, but since the 1700's, since Mayer Amschel Rothschild ordered his children to marry their first cousins in order to keep the money in the family, why is anyone presuming these are sane people? They are not. They have inbred in their own family for many, many generations. 250 years. 260 years. So we are talking about people who -- they don't have mental faculties like we do. They are different. They are not like us.
Dr. Fetzer: But Leuren, I might grant all of that. It is also true of the Mitt Romneys and the Rick Santorums. Rick Santorum is such a lunatic he doesn't even believe in contraception, so here is a man who is one at the same time avowedly pro-life, he won't even allow abortion or permit it in the case of rape or incest, although apparently in his own family his wife confronted a birth that was going to cost her life, and they decided to go ahead with an abortion, but he wants to curtail the use of contraceptives, sex education, birth control, which of course is going to bring more unwanted children into the world and therefore increase the rate of abortion. I mean these people, their views are completely incoherent.
L. Moret: He is not going to get elected. Obama is going to get selected.
Dr. Fetzer: Well the point I am making Leuren is even some of our prominent political figures, these are two of the four remaining candidates for President of the United States on the Republican side are insane. That they have views that are not rational. That they are completely detached from reality. Some like Santorum's in particular are incoherent. He does not have a consistent set of beliefs.
L. Moret: Well do you know what Fidel Castro said last week? He said, "These are the craziest candidates, this is the most disgusting street theater I have ever seen. It is not an election, it is a nightmare."
Dr. Busby: Can I say something? Do we really believe that these people, all these nutcases that eventually get into office, do we believe that they really are the people who make the decisions? I mean, surely it is not them at all. They are just puppets. They are people who are chosen because they appeal to all the lunatics who vote for them, and so somebody goes along and figures out what level of lunatic is necessary to get the right sort of vote, and then they just provide the candidate to appeal to that set of lunatics. You know how it works.
Dr. Fetzer: What a terrible commentary on the state of politics. I mean we used to have responsible figures who were running for high office.
Dr. Busby: Oh come on. Ronald Reagan -- you're serious?
Dr. Fetzer: I am going all the way back to Franklin Delano Roosevelt and JFK. Yeah, Ronald Reagan, I know. Reagan's presidency actually represented the turning point in American political history, Chris, because it was up until Reagan and since World War II that there had been a gradual diminution in the gap between the rich and the poor. You know, more and more equality. The labor unions were becoming strong. There was a very healthy middle class. America was a prosperous, productive, manufacturing and industrial center. And since Reagan all that has been reversed. The gaps have been growing wider, and when we have NAFTA and the WTO, all the jobs have gone worldwide with this globalization. And the United States, the middle class is --
Dr. Busby: I think it was perfectly clear to us in England, and it was certainly clear to me, that when Reagan appeared on the scene it was just Hollywood, you know. That what was being done there was just create a person, choose a person who was handsome and would appeal to the American people in some way, and then they would vote for him, and whoever was pulling his strings behind the scenes would have power. And that was that.
L. Moret: It was Henry Kissinger, and the Rockefellers put Henry Kissinger in.
Dr. Busby: OK, OK, well, whoever, but anyway, that is the point, and all this discussion now about these lunatics who are standing at the moment, it is just more of the same, really.
Dr. Fetzer: [Laughter]
L. Moret: But the point is that its the Rockefellers who backed the candidates in every election, and they duped the American public into voting for Democrats that get set up with them, so they jump to Republicans in the next election, back and forth.
Dr. Busby: I am sure you are right, I'm sure you are right on that.
L. Moret: And every time the Rockefellers get reelected in reality with no change.
Dr. Fetzer: So Leuren, let me ask you the following question, I mean, my impression has long been that the Rockefellers are on one side, and the Rothschilds are on another. So I mean --
L. Moret: They are on the same side.
Dr. Fetzer: Oh, I see.
L. Moret: The Rockefellers work for the Rothschilds.
Dr. Busby: I think they are all the same people, myself.
L. Moret: They are all the same people. But I want to talk about Iran. That is what I was trying to talk about that I forgot.
Dr. Fetzer: OK.
L. Moret: And what I discovered when I was writing a war crimes complaint for the Malaysia war crimes conference is I started looking at Iran, and I looked at the demographics. And what I found was astounding. The Iranian fertility rate in women was over eight children per woman before Chernobyl in 1986. And one year after Chernobyl the fertility rate for the country of Iran had dropped by one child to seven children per woman. By 2002 the fertility rate had dropped to two children per woman. And by 2007 the fertility rate had dropped below one child per woman.


Fig. 6: CATASTROPHIC DECLINE IN FERTILITY RATES IN IRAN (1986-2002) The decline in fertility rates in Iran began after 1986 following the Chernobyl disaster. The rate of decline in fertility is linked globally to environmental deposition of radioactive pollution, and depends on geography and weather. Clearly this UN graph of global fertility rates (1950-2050) [black on white] demonstrates that fertility rates in Iran [colored lines 1970-2002] have declined from the highest in the world before Chernobyl, to nearly the lowest in the world (Gilan Province and total rate for Iran) in the short period of 22 years . The decline in Iranian fertility rates reported by province [in color] are highest in provinces with higher precipitation (Gilan Province), and lowest in the driest regions of Iran (Sistan and Baluchistan). The effects of US and UK nuclear weapons used in Iraq since 1990, and Afghanistan since 2001, have clearly caused an undeclared catastrophic nuclear war against Iran. Source: World changes in fertility graph – UN Report “World Population Prospects: The 2008 Revision”. Iranian Fertility Rates: M.J. Abbasi-Shavazi, multiple research papers.


Dr. Fetzer: Really?
L. Moret: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: So over that period of time they went from greatly greater than the replacement rate for the population to something marginally below the replacement rate. That's astounding.
L. Moret: And not only that -- this is from the CIA Factbook, and then as soon as I started printing these out the site was blocked so I couldn't get anything, but I do have what I printed out then. And then between 2006 and 2007 the Iranian population was about 68.8 million in 2004. And in one year it dropped from 2006 to 2007 from 68.8 million to 65.2 million.
Dr. Fetzer: Really.
L. Moret: That is a catastrophic drop.
Dr. Fetzer:They must have noticed 3 million plus deaths in Iran. They had to notice that.
L. Moret: That is a very, very, very dramatic decline in one year, and what is interesting in that same year, 2006 to 2007, five million camels died all over the Middle East and Central Asia.
Dr. Fetzer: Five million camels!
L. Moret: Five million. Just in Saudi Arabia alone. There were more millions all over Central Asia and the Middle East.
Dr. Fetzer: What is the normal number of camel deaths per year, do you have an idea? That sounds like a staggering number.
L. Moret: Well it goes with the extermination of people and the increases in infant deaths and the decline in fertility. The death rates increased. They started in 2006. The death rates started increasing in Iran. And then I started realizing, I started gathering a lot of information, like where are the dust clouds concentrated in Iran. They are over the Alborz and the Zagros mountains. The Alborz Mountains go east-west at the southern end of the Caspian Sea, and the [Zagros] go north-south on the border of Iran with Iraq. That is where the snowfall and the rainfall is the highest. That is where all the water comes from for Iran. And I realized when I started following monsoons in that area, that region, and also I was just kind of investigating the geography and the weather, and I realized that Iran has been targeted with an intense nuclear war. Much more intense than in Iraq and Afghanistan since 1990 because Iran is getting clobbered with radiation from Afghanistan, from the war in Yugoslavia, and from Iraq. And they are getting more than Iraq and Afghanistan. They are just having catastrophic death rates. A catastrophic decline in fertility. They are below the replacement population needed now. And we have been carrying out -- the British and the U.S.-- a nuclear war against Iran without anyone even knowing it.


Fig. 7: DUST STORMS AND RADIATION CONCENTRATION IN IRAN: July 5, 2009, satellite image (left) of the largest dust storm in memory in Iraq, spread to Saudi Arabia and Iran. High summer temperatures and the shamal (northwest seasonal wind) caused the dust storm to rage in the Middle East for a week. On the right the Ozone Monitoring Instrument (OMI) on NASA’s Aura satellite, measured the aerosol absorption optical depth of the dust. The darkest brown areas represent the highest dust and depleted uranium concentrations in Iran, and the highest radiation contamination levels of the environment and water sources. In the image on the left, the SE Asian Monsoon moving west over Afghanistan and Pakistan from India, rained out depleted uranium over northern Iran. Source: Images – NASA, and Leuren Moret’s Kuala Lumpur War Crimes complaint for Iraq.


Dr. Fetzer: Well that is staggering, and I take it what you are implying is that the weather, the rain, is bringing all the contaminants out of the atmosphere into the water that is the source for the Iranian population, and that is the mechanism by which this is taking place.
L. Moret: You are exactly right.
Dr. Fetzer: Chris, tell me, now I am not familiar enough with the geography here to locate Chernobyl in relation to Iran, but would all those things that Leuren has been describing, which sound quite catastrophic, be probable consequences of the Chernobyl disaster, or of course she is adding contributing causes from the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean this sounds quite stunning and appalling.
Dr. Busby: There was one plume that went from Chernobyl south and got down over Greece and northern Turkey, and I suppose it would have contaminated the mountains there too.
L. Moret: Well the fertility rate --
Dr. Fetzer: Hang on Leuren. Let Chris --.
Dr. Busby: What I did notice is if you look at the mortality statistics, there does appear to be a sharp increase in infant mortality in many countries in Europe in 1991 which is kind of unexplained. And I think perhaps that was caused by the First Gulf War. I think that is a reasonable explanation for it. And it is certainly true also that material from the first Gulf War was measured in the northern part of Iraq in the mountains of Kurdistan. I mean I met some Germans who were doing measurements of uranium on autopsy material from cows in the northern part of Iraq. So I think an awful lot of them -- if you look at the weather patterns, an awful lot of the material from Iraq does go north into the mountains there and would therefore end up being rained, being washed down into Iran, and of course Iran is only just across the river from Iraq. So you know anything that is being produced in southern Iraq around about Basra and on the border you know would have drifted across the Euphrates and the Shatt al-Arab waterway into Iran.
Dr. Fetzer: So what do you think is the explanation for the diminishing reproduction rate in Europe?
Dr. Busby: Well, the same thing. Yes, sure. The same thing. I mean certainly in Belarus it began almost immediately after Chernobyl. And it is sort of like a double bump. And in other parts of Europe there was an infant mortality increase in 1991. And that is quite difficult to explain on the basis of Chernobyl. I mean I have tried to explain it. I have thought of all the various possible mechanisms. But it doesn't really seem to follow the Chernobyl stuff. It is more likely something that happened in 1991. And of course we know what happened in 1991. There was an enormous distribution of radioactivity from all of the anti-tank weaponry that was used in Iraq.
Dr. Fetzer: We have got to take our next break. This is Jim Fetzer your host on The Real Deal with my very special guests today Leuren Moret and Dr. Christopher Busby. We will be right back.

End of Part I

Part II

The 20th century proved to be a century of great advancement towards the centuries old goals of the ruling elite – global slavery and total control of the world’s resources.

Through the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Vatican, CIA and MI6, and the European Union (EU), and profiteering from the global drug economy – the ruling elite have developed their agenda to depopulate and remove independence from all countries and permit the aristocracies tyrannical rule from behind the military might of the United Nations (UN). Covert and overt nuclear wars are causing a catastrophic decline in the global population, funded by profiteering war mongering bankers, and politicians who authorized the use of genocidal nuclear weapons while investing in pharmaceutical companies to treat the epidemic of global illnesses caused by their nuclear weapons.
The recent skiing accident by Dutch Prince Friso, led to the exposure of the deep criminal activities of the Dutch and other aristocracies: “Grim Tidings From the Netherlands: Prince Bernhard’s Grandchildren Continue Bilderberg Legacy”. For centuries, through the Dutch East India Company, the deep involvement of the Dutch crown in the global drug trade has now been exposed as the source of the Dutch monarchies tremendous wealth. As second son, Prince Friso was involved in many aspects of the development of technologies for total control of the human race from space (HAARP), was employed by Goldman Sachs (the Rothschild bankers), Wolfenson of the World Bank, and presently a uranium enrichment company. Despite being a homosexual, he married the former girlfriend of one of the top ten drug dealers (a Dutchman) in the world – with ties to Queen Beatrix (his mother) through her lawyer. The aristocracy likes to keep their enterprises “in the family””The Real Deal” Radio Show (February 3, 2012)

“The Real Deal” Radio Show (February 3, 2012)

Host: Jim Fetzer: James Fetzer Ph.D.

Dr. Busby: Christopher Busby, Ph.D.
Leuren Moret: Leuren Moret, B.S., M.A., PhD (ABD)

Editor’s Note: This transcription was prepared by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books, who also helped organize this interview. Let me add a special note of appreciation to Leuren Moret, who has done a brilliant job of providing the photos and graphs that accompany Part 1 and Part 2, which have substantially enhanced the presentation of the stunning information provided by her and Christopher Busby during this historic interview. They both deserve our highest praise and commendation.

Hour Two


Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The Real Deal”, continuing my conversation with Leuren Moret, an independent geoscientist, who has done expert studies on Fukushima among her other research efforts, and Dr. Christopher Busby, visiting Biomedical Studies Professor at the University of Ulster, expert on the effects on what turns out to be enriched uranium in Iraq, and who has authored a new book in Japanese about the Fukushima disaster. Leuren, I know you have a number of things you would like to say.
Leuren Moret: Yes, in 2009 I was invited to my second War Crimes Conference in Malaysia by Tun Dr. Mahathir [former Prime Minister of Malaysia], and Chris was there in 2007. He did an absolutely wonderful, wonderful presentation. And my presentation in 2009 was titled "UN 2008 Report Evidence of Global Decline in Population and Fertility." I put up two United Nations [UN] diagrams [Fig. 8, 10] from that report – their [UN] own report – that demonstrated that since 1986 all countries in the world, all regions in the world, have had declining populations and declining fertility.
That was a quite shocking thing to present because a lot of people said “Well the UN said we have an expanding over-population…”
But their [UN] own report, their own data is very shocking, because they are saying that all these regions and countries had declining fertility and population, and it’s their own data. And what was more surprising to me more than anything, is that it is the most developed nations that have had the greatest decline in population and fertility. [It is] much greater than in the less-developed regions [note absence of nuclear power], or even the world average.


FIG. 8: AVERAGE ANNUAL RATE OF POPULATION CHANGE FOR MAJOR DEVELOPMENT GROUPS, 1950-2050. Population change globally has been negative, since the end of nuclear bomb testing in 1963. The rate of change (slope of the curve) is similar for all regions, indicating a common cause. Environmental nuclear pollution as the cause, is indicated by a further decline in population and fertility (Fig. 10) with the introduction of each new nuclear technology: atmospheric testing (1952-63), nuclear power plants (1960’s-present), Chernobyl (1986), depleted uranium and exotic nuclear weapons (1990 to present), and the now emerging effects of the Fukushima disaster (2011) equivalent to at least 300 Chernobyl disasters. Source: UN Report: “World Population Prospects: The 2008 Revision – Highlights”, Fig. 2.


FIG. 9: CONTRADICTORY WORLD POPULATION GROWTH ACCORDING TO WORLD RESOURCES INSTITUTE AND UN. The World Resources Institute was established in 1982 to promote their version of “sustainability”, and is funded by the World Bank and other global banking institutions. Many foundations also provide funding, such as the Rockefeller Foundation, Open Society Institute (George Soros), and CIA linked foundations. Partnerships with Goldman-Sachs, Wal-Mart, Wells Fargo Bank, wealthy individuals, and oil companies, provide further funding. The Board of Directors includes the “global salesmen” for the NWO agenda (such as Al Gore and nuclear energy). The World Resources Institute clearly has a NWO agenda promoting overpopulation, depopulation, nuclear power, climate change etc. that benefits the interests of the global ruling elite. Source: World Resources Institute


FIG. 10: TOTAL FERTILITY TRAJECTORIES FOR THE WORLD AND THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT GROUPS, 1950-2050. This UN data indicates that global Fertility began a catastrophic decline following the Partial Test Ban Treaty (1963), that ended a decade of US/UK/Soviet atmospheric tests. The decline in fertility accelerated after Chernobyl (1986), and further declined with the introduction of depleted uranium and exotic nuclear weapons during the Iraq Wars (1990-2000). The genocidal and indiscriminate global impact of the 2011 Fukushima disaster, on global fertility and population numbers, is unknown, will be much greater than the known impact of previous nuclear pollution levels. Source: UN Report: “World Population Prospects: The 2008 Revision – Highlights”, Fig. 3.


Dr. Fetzer: Could that be because the reproduction rate is of a smaller number of children per family rather than the more rapid rate we find in less developed countries.
L. Moret: Well look at where the nuclear power plants are. They are in all the superpower nations almost. Japan, the U.S., Canada, Europe…


FIG. 11: GLOBAL NUCLEAR POWER INSTALLATIONS Nuclear power is controlled by the City of London bankers and promoted through corruption and deception, as the cheapest form of electricity and a solution to global warming. In reality it is the most expensive form of electricity, subsidized by governments and taxes, and it is the greatest emitter of greenhouse gases if the full cycle emissions are included. The impact on global public health and the health of the environment is at a cost the global community and environment cannot afford. Source: “The Madness of Nuclear Energy”, The Ecologist 29/7 (November 1999), back cover.


Dr. Fetzer: So it is part of the contamination that goes with any kind of commitment to nuclear energy.
L. Moret: Right.
Dr. Fetzer: Which means nuclear energy is inherently hazardous, and really ought to have been avoided, if these countries had been sophisticated enough to resist the lobbying by industries that wanted to make money – regardless of the consequences for the health and welfare of the surrounding population.
L. Moret: Well the other thing that you can see from these two U.N. graphs [Fig. 8, 10] is that there was a profound impact following nuclear bomb testing and there was a further decline, a very sharp decline, following Chernobyl and then you can see even the conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yugoslavia contributed more. So it has got to be an environmental cause, since it is happening globally, and the slope of the curves of the decline are the same for all of the regions except for the superpowers, which were lower to begin with. So they did not have such a sharp decline. But the rate of decline is the same almost globally. That is environmental.
Dr. Fetzer: Chris, would you like to add to that?
Dr. Christopher Busby: Well, I think that one of the causes of this has been, that around about 1986, you started to get babies being born to women and men who were born during the peak of the weapons fallout.
Now we know from studies that were done, that those children born between 1959 and 1964, had very much higher levels of Strontium 90 and uranium in their bone. And so they would have suffered genetic damage as a result of their exposure in the 60's. Then of course when they came to the 1980's and started to have children, those would have been F1 [Fallout 1] children and they would have had a much higher rate of death in the womb.
Now we know that is the case from studies that were done by Professor [K. G.] Luning in Sweden in 1963, published in Nature. What Luning did was, he injected male mice with Strontium 90, and then mated them immediately to females. And then those females were allowed to have babies. The babies were then brought semi-halfway to term, and then the mice were sacrificed. And they investigated the number of fetal deaths. And they found there was a significant increase in fetal deaths in the mothers who had been mated to the male mice that had been injected with Strontium 90, [but] interestingly not with Cesium 137, nor the control. So we would expect to have an increase in fetal death in the women who were born around about 1963. I suppose that was a peak. That of course is in agreement with what Leuren is talking about, and what we see after Chernobyl. And of course Chernobyl also would have had these effects. But certainly it is not just the Chernobyl effect. And this would also fit in with the Northern Hemisphere having the highest loss in fertility or the biggest effect. Because, that is where all the weapons-testing was done.
If you look at maps of global weapons fallout exposure from the big testing, most of it was in the Northern Hemisphere. And the really big testing was in Novaya Zemlya, in Russia, in the Soviet Union. And that contaminated… the big megaton tests contaminated the Northern Hemisphere much more than the Southern Hemisphere. So that all kind of fits, really. I think it is the radiation.


FIG. 12: ATMOSPHERIC WEAPONS TESTING FALLOUT 1952-63 The radiation fallout map from “Under The Cloud: The Decades of Nuclear Testing”, illustrates the effects of 1200 nuclear weapons tests conducted at the Nevada Test Site. The U.S. Government admitted in November, 2002, that every person living in the United States between 1958 and 1963 was exposed to fallout from nuclear weapons testing. The United States now has an epidemic of radiation related diseases: cancer, heart disease, autism, diabetes, Parkinson’s Disease, Lou Gehrigs (ALS), asthma, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, hypothyroidism in newborns, obesity, and learning disabilities. One out of 12 children in the United States is disabled. Source: R. L. Miller, “Under The Cloud: The Decades of Nuclear Testing” (1991). D.V.Conn “U.S. Counts one in 12 children disabled”, Washington Post (6 July 2002).


FIG. 13: U.S.A. NEWBORN DETERIORATION IN THE NUCLEAR AGE, 1945-1996. The decline in infant mortality in 1935 continued to fall due to improved prenatal care and better education of pregnant mothers. The era of nuclear bomb testing which began in 1947, caused a large increase in infant mortality, estimated by Dr. Ernest Sternglass to be one million excess infant deaths, from in-utero exposure to even low levels of ionizing radiation from fission products released into the atmosphere. British radiation expert Dr. Chris Busby, has estimated that the Fukushima disaster has released 1000 times more radiation (as of August 2011), than the peak concentration of nuclear bomb test fission products measured in 1963 at the British govt. radiation lab at Harwell, UK, and 300 Chernobyls he estimated from radiation levels he measured on air filters in Japan. Source: J.M. Gould, E.J. Sternglass et al, “U.S.A. Newborn Deterioration in the Nuclear Age, 1945-1996”, Radiation and Public Health Publications (1998). This was presented at the International Congress on the Effects of Low Dose Ionizing Radiation in Childhood and Youth, in Medicine, Industry and Environment in the Workplace, March 19-21, 1998.


FIG. 14: INCREASE OF DIABETES GLOBALLY FROM ATMOSPHERIC TESTS The local (New York City), regional (United States), and global increases of diabetes indicate the impact on human health of nuclear weapons tests. The global diabetes map is clearly a fallout map, and indicates that nuclear pollution was carried primarily from west to east by the jet stream. Source: N.R. Kleinfield “Diabetes and Its Awful Toll Quietly Emerge as a Crisis”, The New York Times (9 January 2006).


L. Moret: It is the radiation. And when I began to investigate the excess deaths in the U.S. by region, reported by the Centers for Disease Control after the March 11th Fukushima earthquake and tsunami, I found the same phenomenon. And if you look at the death rates, the increase in death rates since March 11th – by September 3rd more than 34,000 Americans had died. That does not include babies or the unborn [deaths] as a result of Fukushima. These were excess deaths that were unexplained by previous death rates in earlier years. And what is interesting is when I looked at the death rate increase by age groups, in the elderly who are over 64 years old today (and 65), and were not exposed in utero to ionizing radiation because they were born at the end of World War II or before, the death rates in the elderly range from 3.6% to 8%. [The] 3.6% [increase] was within the Pacific region of the West Coast, [and] 8% was the mountain region from the Canadian border to the Mexican border that included Nevada, Idaho, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and then Montana and Wyoming. And because of that mountain region [data] it certainly does confirm that weather and geography are the greatest contributors to environmental contamination from radiation.


FIG. 15: SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN EXCESS DEATHS SINCE 3/13/11 Data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported March 13- Sept. 3, 2011, shows increasing excess deaths for nearly all regions of the US. This very high increase in acute deaths throughout the US, that increases every week, can only be explained by regional environmental contamination from the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan. Increases in infant mortality range from 35-45% or higher, and are not included in the map data. Source: Bobby1, “Post-Fukushima Excess Deaths in US Updated for Sept. 3”


Dr. Fetzer: And especially in relation to mountain regions which tend to hold certain atmospheric pollutants.


FIG. 16: DEATH RATE INCREASES CAUSED BY FUKUSHIMA AS OF SEPT. 3, 2011 Excess deaths due to Fukushima by month (left), and by region and age group (right). The cumulative effect of multiple exposures to ionizing radiation, are indicated by an increase in rates in younger age groups. Source: Bobby1, “Post-Fukushima Excess Deaths in US Updated for Sept. 3”


L. Moret: Yes. So the death rates in the elderly in most of those regions were actually lower than in younger groups [Fig. 16]. So for the 45 to 64 age group, 64 year old group, in the Pacific Region, the Mountain Region, and in East North Central the death rates in the 45 to 64 age group were higher than in the elderly [65 years and older]. The elderly had not been exposed in utero to ionizing radiation, but the 45 to 64 group had gone through bomb testing and also nuclear power. But the biggest shock of all was the West South Central death rates in the 25 to 44 age group. It was 18.7%. It was three times higher than in the elderly [65 years and older], and two or three times higher than the 45 to 64 group [exposed in utero to atmospheric tests].
And the West South Central area is Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas, and Louisiana. Texas has a very high number of bases. Military bases. A lot of the soldiers deployed to the Middle East and Central Asian wars from Texas. When they got out, they came back to Texas, and they were so sick they could not even be in the military anymore. And they tended to stay living around the bases, where they had served from, so that they could get medical disability care. But the death rate increase of 18.7% in the 25 to 44 group certainly has to be explained, and the only explanation I can think of is the cumulative effect of multiple and multi-generational exposures to ionizing radiation.
Dr. Fetzer: The cumulative effects.


FIG. 17: MAJOR CAUSES OF DEATH IN JAPAN 1899-2003 The major causes of death in Japan through 1945 were infectious diseases. Antibiotics nearly eliminated deaths from infections. The nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, introduced nuclear technologies as the major cause of death in Japan after World War II. After 1945, the cumulative impact of nuclear pollution caused increased deaths from cerebrovascular disease, cancer (green line), and heart disease, and replaced infectious diseases as the major cause of death in Japan. Source: Vital Statistics of Japan 2004, Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare, Vol.1, p.67, Fig.4.


L. Moret: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: Chris, would you like to comment on that before we turn to Fukushima, where I thought I would invite Leuren to give a sketch of her recent research, and then you could elaborate based on the work that went into your new book.
Dr. Busby: Well, yes, I broadly agree with this cohort effect, because I have observed the cohort effect that she is talking about, that Leuren is talking about, in breast cancer in women. And when you prop these by cohorts, by five year cohorts, you can see quite clearly a cohort effect [Fig. 17]. That is to say, increases in incidence rates for breast cancer for those women who were exposed more to the ionizing radiation. And of course, the older women who weren’t exposed, have lower rates. So you can see it quite clearly.
And this particular group of women is aging now and slowly entering the cancer window, if you like to call it that, and I think we are going to see very large increases in cancer rates in these people who were young or born around about the time of the major injections of radionuclides into the atmosphere following weapons fallout.
The thing that worries me, you know, is that nobody is studying it. Of course you have like millions and millions and millions of dollars and pounds put into research into the causes of cancer and the causes of ill health generally, but nobody seems to be allowed to look at these vectors. I mean it is really quite extraordinary. And anyone who does say anything about it, they arejust marginalized and laughed at.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course we are talking about a double phenomenon that is diminishing the population of the world – the greater cancer rate of the elderly, but also the lower reproductive rate of the young.
Dr. Busby: Yes, yes, that is right. And not just cancer, I have to say. We know enough now to know that radiation causes death right across the board. And in fact, that is a very important observation, because if you die of a heart attack, then you are not going to die of cancer. So all of these studies that have been made of groups of people who… you know… retrospective studies are made of groups of people who are exposed, are floored in terms of adjusted cancer endpoints, because many of these people died before they would have got to the age where they would have developed cancer.
Dr. Fetzer: Very important. Very nice [analysis].
Dr. Busby: That is particularly true of the [nuclear] test veterans, incidentally. I am doing a couple of quite major court cases at the moment in the United Kingdom, on nuclear test veterans, and a number of studies have been done on test veterans and the other retrospective studies that have been done on people who were exposed to radium from dial painting, or Thorotrast [thorium dioxide injected into patients from 1931 for higher contrast x-rays] from various treatments. And when you look into it closely, look at these studies, which are always studies of cancer, so they are always looking for a cancer yield in this population. You find that actually enormous numbers of these people died long before they were even recruited into the study group. And so therefore it is a biased study group relative to its control, you know, so the results are just wrong.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, would you like to add on to this before we turn to Fukushima and your latest reports on that disaster?
L. Moret: No. No thank you.
Dr. Fetzer: Please then do give us a sketch of the latest on Fukushima, and its consequences for Japan and its population, which I take it from previous observations you have made, may be destined for extinction on an accelerated basis.
L. Moret: Well an article that came out on January 30th in the Daily Mail online is titled “Japanese population set to plummet by 30% over the next 50 years.” And the 128 million population is expected to drop below 87 million by 2060 [a 32% population decline]. Now another alarming thing about that, is that it is the over 65 year olds. The retired population will make up 40% of the population.
Dr. Fetzer: 40% of the population that dies?
L. Moret: 40% of the population will be over 65.
Dr. Fetzer: All right.


FIG. 18: DEMOGRAPHIC INDICATOR FOR BELARUS 1950-2004 Following the Chernobyl disaster in Russia in 1986, surrounding regions in the Ukraine and Belarus were badly contaminated with fresh fission products. The effects were already catastrophic within 5 years, causing birth-rates to decrease below rising death-rates. This foreshadows the effects of the Fukushima disaster on Japan, parts of N. America, and even Europe – already exposed to nuclear fallout from atmospheric tests, nuclear power, and depleted uranium weapons and exotic nuclear weapons in Iraq, Yugoslavia, and Afghanistan. Source: Prof. Y. Bandashevsky, “Non cancer illnesses and conditions in areas of Belarus contaminated by radioactivity from the Chernobyl Accident”, Proceedings of ECRR Conference, Lesvos, Greece, May 5-6, 2009, Fig. 4.


L. Moret: And so what that is saying, is exactly what Chris and I have been talking about. There is no replacement population… very low replacement population. So they are worried about the retirement funds, and the bulging social security costs, which are rising by £8.3 billion (British pounds) [$13.03 billion] every year. I don’t think they should be worrying about that. I think they should be worrying about whether the population is going to even survive.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course we are talking about an island nation. And so in terms of genetic drift, because it is a relatively isolated population from external interaction, you are going to have the contamination spread, from the portion of the population that is already suffering acute genetic effects from Fukushima, throughout the rest of the population.
L. Moret: Well the fertility rate last year in Japan was 1.39 children per couple. It has got to be higher than 2.08 to keep the population from shrinking.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: And all this radiation in Japan guarantees that fertility rate is going to drop even more in the years ahead.
Dr. Fetzer: So if we project a hundred years hence we are going to find the Japanese population, what, maybe 20 or 30% of what it is today?
L. Moret: Well yes, and then it is genetically, you know, there is just tremendous genetic damage. So you have the replacement population that is being born, or the young population that is being born is also mentally damaged, so the productivity, the vitality, I mean a culture survives on the power of its ideas. So when you brain-damage the whole population, even fifty or a hundred years from now what’s left?


FIG. 19: DECLINE OF SCHOLASTIC APTITUDE TEST SCORES IN US 1952-1994 The catastrophic decline in Scholastic Aptitude Test (S.A.T.) scores in the US, from a high of 480 for children born in 1945 (yr. of birth on curve), to a low of 425 for children born in 1963, occurred at the 1963 peak of US nuclear bomb tests. The S.A.T. scores for US teenagers (year of high school S.A.T. testing at bottom of graph) never recovered from a 12.5% decline between 1945-1963, because nuclear power plant radioactive emissions replaced nuclear bomb radioactive pollution (1). A WHO world survey reported that the US now has the highest rate of mental illness (26%) in the world, part of the legacy of the nuclear age (2). Source: (1) Sternglass, E.J., S. Bell, “Fallout and SAT Scores: Evidence for Cognitive Damage During Early Infancy”, Phi Delta Kappan, April 1983, pp.539-545; and (2) “Prevalence, Severity, and Unmet Need for Treatment of Mental Disorders in the World Health Organization World Mental Health Surveys, The WHO World Mental Health Survey Consortium, Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Vol. 291 No. 21, June 2, 2004: 2581-2590.


Dr. Fetzer: Well that is really quite stunning because Japan has been a source of a great deal of creativity and engineering, not only in the area of automobiles, but also in electronics and televisions and all that. I mean most Americans like myself have their best television, is in this case a Toshiba, you know it is a “made in Japan” product.
L. Moret: Well the Japanese culture is very, very, traditionally resourceful, creative. The vitality is just tremendous. What I have always referred to Japan [as being] after 20 speaking tours in Japan since the year 2000, [is a technologically advanced indigenous culture]. I went all over Japan warning about a disaster like Fukushima. I predicted it in the Japan Times in 2004 [Editor's Note: see "Japan's Deadly Game of Nuclear Roulette," May 23, 2004]. I am not predicting anything ever again because I don’t want it to come true. It is just a tremendously vital population and culture. It is not going to be the same.
Dr. Fetzer: And your predictions were based upon your assessment of the quality of engineering, the state of the nuclear industry in Japan, even independent from the level and influence from external sources such as Israel.
L. Moret: Oh, no, it was the tremendous danger of large magnitude earthquakes.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, the earthquake phenomenon because they constructed so many of these plants on faults.
L. Moret: Right on faults, yes. And it is one of the most tectonically active regions in the world. It has like 0.25 % [exactly 0.3%] of the land surface and it has got over 10% of the earth’s major earthquakes.


FIG. 20: JAPAN’S DEADLY GAME OF NUCLEAR ROULETTE This map of Japan, annotated by Japanese nuclear engineer Mr. Kikuchi, shows the four tectonic plates colliding under Japan, areas of high (“observed region”) and very high (“specially observed”) quake risk, and the sites of 54 nuclear reactors in Japan.
Source: L. Moret, “Japan’s deadly game of nuclear roulette”, Japan Times (23 May 2004)


Dr. Fetzer: I understand that there is a major nuclear plant that the Russians helped design in Iran, but they are reluctant to turn on, because it is located in the vicinity of three fault lines. I can’t believe that they would ever have constructed it there if this information is correct.
L. Moret: Well an awful lot of the U.S. nuclear plants, and the Army Corps of Engineers dams, were absolutely, deliberately built on faults.
Dr. Fetzer: Why would that be done? Leuren, it seems so incredibly stupid and short-sighted.
L. Moret: Well, since it is consistent in every country, it looks like another form of nuclear war to me, because all they have to do is put the Stuxnet virus on a USB stick, and stick it in an operating system, and you have another Fukushima anywhere you want it.
Dr. Fetzer: Do you believe the Stuxnet was used in Fukushima?
L. Moret: Absolutely. It was in the newspaper. They discovered the Stuxnet virus in October of 2010 in Japan. It was in 72 computers.
Dr. Fetzer: And the Israelis were retaliating because Japan was standing up for an independent Palestine.
L. Moret: No, no, the CIA did it. No, the CIA did IT. And the Israelis have just been used as a delivery system in Iran at Natanz and Bushehr, or wherever it happened there. And they had a security company, an Israeli security company from Dimona, which is where their nuclear project is, in Japan at Fukushima in September. And then the Stuxnet virus shows up in Japan one month later.
Dr. Fetzer: What was the motivation of the CIA.? You see I can understand so clearly why Israel, which is an Old Testament nation, after all, a God of Revenge might retaliate against Japan for supporting the Palestinian state, but why would the CIA be involved?
L. Moret: Well first of all the British intelligence MI6 created the CIA, they created the FBI, and they created the Mossad. And so, all of those three intelligence agencies are actually working for the British. So this goes back to the bankers.
Now the financiers like to be involved in mining projects, to get mineral resources that they can sell at high prices, because a lot of countries don’t have a lot of minerals. And so they make money off of regions that are in transition, from under-developed countries to developed countries. And what they are doing now is they are “dumping” the Western economies, Europe, Japan, and the U.S., and they are “pumping” China.
And the biggest mining projects in the world, planned for the next hundred years, are in Southeast Asia, and Haiti, the Caribbean, and Norway – Tromso Norway, and Turkey. So these regions, being mined by the Eurasian Mineral Company, which is part of the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, the Wall Street and London bankers, are areas that are targeted for genocide and depopulation, as well as mining development, and plundering, actually. And they make these countries so weak, that they cannot resist the plundering by these financiers. And then the financiers sell those minerals to… can you imagine how much money they are going to make on China developing? All the copper, the iron, all these minerals they are going to sell to China…
Dr. Fetzer: Well just to express a note of dissent, everything I know about the development of the CIA or of the Mossad suggests that they were indigenous to those populations. I mean there is quite a history of the CIA in the United States. I am therefore not inclined to the same point of view you have expressed about those entities as being creations of MI5 and MI6, but that is certainly an interesting suggestion.
L. Moret: The FBI was created in 1918 or 1919, no, when it was created, the same year the contract for the Federal Reserve was signed.


FIG. 21: THE MYSTERIOUS ORIGINS OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN J. EDGAR HOOVER Photo of J. Edgar Hoover in 1924 (1), who was descended from African slaves belonging to the Hoover family in Pike County, Mississippi (2), and was arrested twice as an adult for homosexual activities, which as head of the FBI he was able to cover up. His deep hatred for blacks and homosexuals launched the FBI’s COINTELPRO (Counter-Intelligence Program) which targeted civil rights groups and leaders, and harassed homosexuals (2). Controlled by his gambling habits and homosexuality through blackmail by Meyer Lansky and the mafia (who worked for the British), Hoover in turn blackmailed U.S. Presidents with their sex exploits and was able to remain in charge of the FBI from 1924-72 (2,3). He was deeply involved with Ian Fleming and Sir W. Stephenson, in charge of British Intelligence in the US and headquartered in Rockefeller Center (3). At that time, British intelligence was setting up extensive drug distribution networks by the mafia, using prohibition in Canada and the US (4). Hoover protected the British drug distributors – by denying the existence of organized crime in the US. Hoover’s entire career was dedicated to “protection” – his own job, and Dope, Inc. drug activities in N. America. Source: (1) photo – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover; (2) E. Spannaus, “The Mysterious Origins of J. Edgar Hoover”, American Almanac, August 2000; “J. Edgar Hoover: Biography” at http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAhooverE.htm (3) H.M. Hyde, Room 3603, Farrar Straus and Co. (1962); (4) U.S. Labor Party Investigating Team, Dope, Inc.: Britain’s Opium War Against the US, 1978.


Dr. Fetzer: Yes, but we have, you know, there is a history there of the Pinkertons and all that, the Treasury Department and the origin of the FBI. Actually there is a halfway decent film out, with Leonardo DiCaprio playing the role of J. Edgar Hoover, that is fairly good on this aspect of it. [Editor's Note: "J. Edgar," released Nov. 2012, directed by Clint Eastwood]. But that is incidental to the key issues we are talking about.
We want to continue with Fukushima after our final break, which we will take now. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The Real Deal” with my very special guests today, Leuren Moret and Dr. Christopher Busby. We’ll be right back.




Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal, concluding my conversation with Leuren Moret, an independent geoscientist, who has done expert studies on Fukushima, and Dr. Christopher Busby, a visiting Biomedical Studies Professor at the University of Ulster, who has done a lot of quite brilliant work discovering the use of enriched uranium in Iraq, especially in Fallujah. Chris, let me turn to you to talk a bit about your new work, your new book about Japan. Tell us the title of the book and when it might become available.
Dr. Busby: It is only in Japanese.
Dr. Fetzer: Only in Japanese!
Dr. Busby: So far as the Japanese book is concerned, that is going to come out some time in June. And we haven’t really thought up a title yet. But I have written a book, or at least I have edited a book, on Fukushima already, called Fukushima and Health, What To Expect. And that was released in October or November. [Editor's Note: Please see the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR) overview page for Fukushima and Health here, the pdf download page here, and the download link here]. And essentially it derives from the International Conference of the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR), who I represent, which was carried out in Lesvos in Greece in 2009. And that conference was aimed at looking at the Chernobyl accident in relation to the risk model for radioactivity.
And of course when Fukushima happened I was putting those conference proceedings together and it occurred to us all that if you want to know what was going to happen at Fukushima, and to the Japanese population, you had only to look at what had already happened and what was reported by all of the ex-Soviet scientists who came to this conference, about twenty eminent scientists who came and discussed the health effects of Chernobyl. And we heard from people about genetic damage, and psychological effects, and IQ effects, and heart disease, and sex ratio changes, and of course cancer. A whole range of terrible effects which followed from Chernobyl, and defined an error in the risk model of the ICRP (International Committee on Radiation Protection), which is the risk model which is being used to limit exposures in Fukushima, quite wrongly of course. So that is what that book is about. It is about Fukushima and Health and What to Expect. You can order it on Amazon. But it does show all of these things that Leuren was talking about, that will occur in the Japanese population. Particularly nasty things to do with IQ and psychological problems that they will have, and heart disease and so on.
Dr. Fetzer: And the Japanese have historically have had one of the highest average intelligence of any population in the world.
Dr. Busby: Well these radioactivity exposures, these radiation exposures cause massive changes in mentation, and the ability to think, and so on. And this is not the only study that has shown that. There were studies made by a number of researchers, one in Norway, of children who were exposed to weapons fallout, and…
Dr. Fetzer: So they affect neuronal structure and synaptic connections.
Dr. Busby: Yes, they just reduce general ability. And of course, you know, this means that the economic power of the country that gets exposed will be destroyed or certainly reduced. And also the other thing in the Japanese book will be the results of my own researches in Fukushima, where I have measured now radionuclides in car air filters, in at least 18 vehicle air filters from all over Fukushima prefecture, and local prefectures also. And down as far as Chiba and in Tokyo also. And we have been able to use these analyses, these gamma ray spectral analyses of these car filters, to show how much of the radioactivity was in the air. And interestingly, we were leaked a document from the DOE [United States Department of Energy], a very large document, showing the measurements that were made by the United States Department of Energy [DOE] of various sites in Japan, and as far as I know not released to anybody, which entirely confirms what we found in the car filters.
Right from the beginning, the DOE was measuring radionuclides on the embassy roof in Tokyo, and also at various other sites using portable high volume air samplers. And we have all of these results.


FIG. 22: PROFESSOR YUKIO HAYAKAWA: RADIATION CONTAMINATION ROUTE MAP This map is the careful work of Professor Yukio Hayakawa from Gunma University in Japan, indicating the contours, routes, and timing of dispersion of radioactive contamination from the March 11, 2011, Fukushima nuclear disaster. Within 10 days of the Fukushima earthquake and tsunami on March 11, 2011, a large area of Japan was already contaminated with high levels of fission products not reported to the public. By March 15, contamination (dark yellow) had reached the mountainous Nagano region of western Japan, and to the south west (dark orange). By March 20 contamination (dark blue) had moved to the northeast of Fukushima. By March 21 contamination (bright pink) reached south through Chiba into Tokyo. Another plume (turquoise) moved northeast offshore before contaminating the Sendai region. Within 10 days of the Fukushima disaster on March 11, a large part of Japan was already contaminated with high levels of fission products, not reported to the public. Source: Prof. Yukio Hayakawa, Gunma University, Japan


Dr. Fetzer: You are telling me that the Department of Energy [DOE] of the United States is already well aware of the devastating consequences of these exposures to radiation, many of which are actually deliberately delivered by American military systems. And yet they keep…
Dr. Busby: They certainly measured them. They certainly measured the material, and we have the results of those measurements that were made. And they knew early on that very large amounts of radionuclides were getting to Tokyo [Fig. 22], and nobody said anything at all about it, as I recall.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, it is like Christie Whitman, as the head of the EPA after 9/11, reporting that all the “air was just fine to breath” when it was filled with all kinds of toxic substances, heavy metals and the like. It was a disgusting display of irresponsibility by the government for political reasons exclusively.
Dr. Busby: Well there seems to be a kind of plate glass barrier between the people and governments now, all over the world. The governments do one thing, and the people are kept in the dark. And nowhere is this more obvious than in Japan where people are now being sacrificed to the “god of nuclear power.” There is no other way of putting it, really.
Dr. Fetzer: And you heard my sketch before, that the real reason it appears for wanting to attack Iran has nothing to do with nuclear weapons, but has to do with their development of, you know, the radioactive fuel rods that are necessary to maintain nuclear power plants, and where the Iranians threaten to undercut the market for the American nuclear power industry and roughly run them out of business, which is another example of the false ideology of “free enterprise” and “free markets” and “welcoming competition.”


FIG. 23: THE GRAND CHESSBOARD Zbigniew Brzezinski’s map of the global geopolitical grand chessboard, with the “south” region –Egypt, the Middle East, Central Asia and India – designated as the primary area of interest to US geostrategic imperatives. The US-British hidden agenda is for control of energy supplies from this region supplying energy for Asia, through American-dominated security of the Persian Gulf. Source: Z. Brzezinski, The Grand Chessboard (1997).


Dr. Busby: Well yes, sure, that is an interesting take on it. My own feeling is that Iran is just the “next enemy” you know, having sewn up the Middle East. And a lot of this is done on behalf of the Israelis, as far as I can see, and Iran is the next big enemy. I mean they are taking down Syria now with a load of false flag operations, and with similar sorts of attacks to the ones that brought down Gaddafi. And so the next big power block in the Middle East is Iran. And I think they just want to take over Iran so that they control all the oil reserves in the Middle East without anybody there to saber rattle against them.
Dr. Fetzer: I can’t believe that Russia and China would allow Iran to go down. I just cannot believe it. I find it difficult to believe that Syria could even stand a serious risk given the relationships between Syria, Iran, and Russia. It seems to me that this is terribly--


FIG. 24: SMASHING GREATER CENTRAL ASIA The latest stage of pipeline wars in Central Asia involve Iran, and the usual overt and covert measures used in war, including nuclear weapons. Following a carefully choreographed dance of geopolitical and geostrategic forces, it will be the most dangerous phase of the “blood bankers” war to control the Middle East and Central Asian energy resources. The sand in the wheels of the military, will come from the unpredictable reactions of involved dictators, when they realize they have been double-crossed by the Zionist Anglo-American permanent war crimes racketeering syndicate (2). No matter how many computer simulations, war games to model the human psyche, using complex logarithms to predict human behavior, the military cannot model or predict the power of the human spirit. People fighting for their lives, engaged in spiritual warfare, have defeated the greatest armies throughout history. Source: (1) Map: Lebanon Knights blogspot, “Smashing Greater Central Asia – Part IV”, December 31, 2011. http://lebanonknights.blogspot.com/2011/12/smashing-greater-central-asia-part-iv.html; (2) J.C. Masterman, The Double-Cross System: In the War of 1939 to 1945, Avon (1972).


Dr. Busby: I kind of agree with you. But it doesn’t seem to stop the United States doing this, you know. And I think ultimately one has to almost rely on the sanity of the ex-Soviet Union, you know, and hope that they will not…
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, I regard Vladimir Putin as the last best barrier against World War III!
Dr. Busby: Yes.
L. Moret: I think he is the only sane world leader left, and you don’t see the [ex-] Soviets using their nuclear weapons everywhere in the world. And not only that, the U.S. HAS been using nuclear weapons. These are called battlefield tactical nukes. Five kilotons and under is not included in the Comprehensive Nuclear Test-Ban Treaty.




Dr. Fetzer: Isn’t that incredible.
L. Moret: And, the mini-nukes are not under presidential control. They are under the control of the battlefield commanders.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, I once had a conversation with Doug Rokke, who I gather used to pilot B-52's. I talked to him about how given they were using these weapons that were causing massive genetic damage. Why would the United States go ahead and use them? He just replied, he said “from the military point of view they are the most effective weapon.” And when I said, “Are they contemplating the long term consequences and genetic damage?” and he said, “Absolutely not, they don’t care.”
L. Moret: They don’t care.
Dr. Fetzer: They just use these weapons because they are the best weapons to perform a certain task.
L. Moret: They have two jobs. The military… as a Marine officer you know that, the military has two jobs: to destroy things and kill people.
Dr. Fetzer: Well, listen, the Marine Corps may have been more enlightened in my day. I never heard such an attitude from any Marine Corps officer as I was hearing from Doug Rokke about the Air Force, and the use of these bombs that were going to have these catastrophic effects. And I want to ask you too is it just stupidity and ignorance on the part of the highest level leaders, that they don’t know enough about evolution and ecology that they go about polluting and destroying the human genome? I mean this is stunning!
Dr. Busby: This is not where they live. It is like Leuren said, the end justifies the means. I mean, everybody has a job in this game, and their job is to win the war.
L. Moret: And it is to follow orders.
Dr. Busby: And it is to win the war without losing too many of their troops at the time of the war. If they have a weapon that will enable them to do that, and if they can use it, they will use it. It is as simple as that. They don’t really think in terms of genomic instability, and the effects on populations, and all the rest of that stuff. It is not in their mindset. It is not what they think about.
Dr. Fetzer: It is as though the highest level leaders of these countries are massively ignorant, or are willingly malicious. I mean it is going to eventually threaten them and their children, their progeny too.
L. Moret: It is illogical and we can never explain it with logic. It is illogical. I have met so many retired officers who were turned into contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one of them I was speaking to at an event in Hawaii, and he came up to me and he said “Oh darn! Well I am going back to Iraq because I have unfinished business.” He said “My sick son, I made him go to Iraq. He is out in the car. He is too upset about what he might hear from you to come in and listen, but I am taking him back too.” And I said, “You are killing your own son.” He said, “But I have got unfinished work to do in Iraq.” In other words, he meant to make more money for Blackwater. But I want to, before our interview ends, I just want to present some information that I got from a mid-wife on Long Island.
Dr. Fetzer: Sure.
L. Moret: On the effects of Fukushima that she is seeing in the pregnant mothers and newborns.
Dr. Fetzer: Effects of Fukushima in Long Island?
L. Moret: On Long Island.
Dr. Fetzer: Amazing.
L. Moret: She said her patients are totally unaware. She said they have had an epidemic of twinning in the past year. She is a midwife. She said that she has had three sets of twins recently, and she said that she almost never has them. Three sets in one year was just astounding to her. [Editor's note: U.S. twin births have doubled in three decades.]
She said that also diabetes in pregnant mothers is epidemic. She said the normal rate is one out of 50 pregnancies, the pregnant mother will develop gestational diabetes. That means as a result of being pregnant. She said now, in the last year, that has increased to three to four cases out of ten mothers. In other words, thirty to forty out of [a hundred], instead of one in fifty, it is fifteen to twenty out of fifty, almost half of the mothers. She said it does disappear after birth, but it puts the mother and the baby at additional health risks in future years.
What I have been seeing is an epidemic globally of conjoined twinning, which… these are what we would call Siamese Twins. It is an epidemic in animals and in humans, and it corresponds to the monsoon rainout pattern globally.


FIG. 26: GLOBAL EPIDEMIC OF CONJOINED TWINS AND NUCLEAR WARS With the introduction of depleted uranium and small tactical nukes in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and Palestine, a global conjoined twin epidemic in humans and animals began in 1990. A similar epidemic occurred in the US during nuclear weapons testing (1953-1963), with the yearly number of conjoined twins born correlating with the annual total kiloton of testing. A similar pattern has been reported since 1990 globally in the shadow of the monsoon rainout patterns, with a large increase since the US and British introduced exotic nuclear weapons attacks to Afghanistan in 2001-2. Source: Leuren Moret, Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Complaint for Iraq, 2009.


Dr. Fetzer: Oh God.
L. Moret: It is just an epidemic. And we had a huge epidemic of conjoined twinning in the United States during the period of bomb testing.
Low birth rate and high birth rate are also caused by radiation exposure in utero. And she said just three weeks ago – she was having low birth weight and high birth weight babies both – and she said just three weeks ago she had a baby born that was five pounds, eleven ounces, and she has had babies as big as ten pounds, nine pounds and ten ounces, ten pounds. And now I am getting articles out of the newspaper that fourteen and fifteen pound babies are being born in the U.S.


FIG. 27: HIGH BIRTHWEIGHT BABIES ARE BORN TO DIABETIC MOTHERS Three babies born recently are the largest babies born in their countries. Most high birth-weight babies are born to obese or diabetic mothers, and are not healthy babies. They appear to be normal, but are bloated and at higher risk of future health issues and diabetes. Each of these babies is 2-3 times heavier than normal newborns, probably the result of multiple exposures to ionizing radiation in their birth families. Since this is a recent global phenomenon, an environmental cause is indicated. Source: Leuren Moret, Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Complaint, 2009.


Dr. Fetzer: Fourteen and fifteen pounds, those are enormous.
L. Moret: These babies are not healthy babies. They are born bloated. They are bloated. They are not normal babies.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course all the contaminants in the mother’s body are going to filter down to the fetus and affect its development.
L. Moret: And then it is in the nursing milk. The mother’s milk. And she said that the maternal obesity is so bad that one doctor she knows has a scale outside his office in the hall. And if you are over 250 pounds he will not take you as a patient.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course these consequences are turning out to be global because all of this contamination is being spread globally.
L. Moret: Yes, and for instance in South America four of the presidents of South America or former presidents have cancer. Two presidents including Lula of Brazil and the present president who is a woman, Hugo Chavez is dying, he will probably not even survive the election in the fall. He has cut back on his chemotherapy so that he can perform his duty as president.
Dr. Fetzer: I had supposed he was targeted, but you are suggesting possibly not.
L. Moret: Fidel Castro told him he was targeted. No, I mean Fidel Castro told him he was targeted. He said the U.S….
Dr. Fetzer: I am sure he was targeted.
L. Moret: Yes, they couldn’t kill him, they couldn’t assassinate him.
Dr. Fetzer: The U.S. developed a rapid acting cancer as long ago as in New Orleans in 1963. Lee Harvey Oswald was even involved in that.
L. Moret: Well that [“CIA cancer”] is what they killed Jackie Onassis (Kennedy) with.
Dr. Fetzer: Well Jack Ruby appears to have been killed that way. Not Jackie, I have not heard that suggestion.
L. Moret: Yes, she found a lump in her groin in December and she was dead by April. And she was a young, healthy woman.
Dr. Fetzer: Relatively young, yes.
L. Moret: Yes. And Christina Fernandez who is the president of Argentina just had her thyroid removed.
Dr. Fetzer: But are you finding the same birth defects down in South America that we are up here.
L. Moret: Oh, absolutely, the conjoined…
Dr. Fetzer: It is not a Northern and Southern Hemisphere distinction.
L. Moret: No, the conjoined twinning pattern in South America is on the west slope of the Andes, which go north and south on the west side of South America, the Andes mountain chain. And that is where there is very high snow out and rainout of the radiation coming across the Pacific.
Dr. Fetzer: It used to be a wonderful thing, but now it is turning into a disaster because of the contamination.
L. Moret: Yes, and so there is conjoined twinning in Chile, in Peru, in Bolivia, in Brazil, in Dominica, one of the islands in the Caribbean, other islands in the Caribbean, in Guatemala. We have it in the U.S., in Canada… this is rainout patterns of monsoons, because I have the global maps of monsoon rainout. Across Africa, Southeast Asia, there is one island in Indonesia that had 19 conjoined twins in one year.
Dr. Fetzer: Well it has to be the case that the DOE and DoD are well aware of this so that the American government is well aware of it. The CIA and other intelligence agencies, the NSA, they would have to all be aware of this.
L. Moret: Well of course. Of course.
Dr. Fetzer: It is appalling. Chris, please give us some reflections on what in the world we are doing putting ourselves out of existence as a species. It is so short-sighted. It is so incredibly stupid I can hardly believe it is happening, but the reality appears to be that we are already so far gone that it appears to me that it is probably irreversible.
Dr. Busby: Yes, well, time to head for the hills, it seems to me. [Laughter]. I have to say.
L. Moret: That is the worst place to go. Head for the desert! [Laughter].
Dr. Busby: In my case, I am from the generation just before the first atomic bombs, so my genes are chromium-plated [laughter].
Dr. Fetzer: Mine too, mine too, or were until I lost my prostrate, but there we go. Tell us Chris what do you see, I mean, this looks like…
Dr. Busby: I don’t know about alL … you know I listen to what Leuren said, and I am sure it is all true. I haven’t studied it, but from what I have seen, and I have said this before, it is certainly true that we are destroying the fertility of the human race and most of the living systems on earth. And when I say “We” I really don’t mean me, and I don’t mean you, and I don’t mean Leuren.
I mean there are people who are doing these things and the reasons why they are doing them are pretty obscure and fairly crazy. And it doesn’t seem that we can do anything to stop them. But I think that… like what I came in with right at the beginning, unless there is some way in which we can put a new ideology in place of the current market forces-driven chaos I don’t think that there is anything that anybody will cling to that the people can actually embrace and say “Well, this is what we want to have.” And so in the absence of any such ideology, we will have business as usual, and the entire living system will slowly go down the toilet.
Dr. Fetzer: It seems to me that a lot of this has to do with the fact that the business and military types, for example, very typically have inadequate educations, especially in relation to scientific subjects, including perhaps, particularly early biology. And the comprehension of evolution and its ramifications is almost negligible among leaders of the United States.
Dr. Busby: Yes, I think so, but we can step back from that one step, you know, because I think that one aspect of human politics, if you would like to call it history, which has not really been looked at very closely, is personality. Now we all know that different people have different personalities. In fact it is quite easy to type these personalities. There have been various systems of personality typing. But what is clear to me is that the people who are in control are the last people who ought to be in control. And until somebody develops an ideology that prevents mad people from getting to the top, then we will just have the same history again and again and again and again. You have only got to look at the major leaders in history and even in recent history, to see that the people who are in charge are flawed and arrogant and irresponsible.
L. Moret: Psychopaths.
Dr. Busby: And insecure, and all of these things. So it seems to me it can’t be difficult, it can’t be impossible to devise a political ideology or a political system that does not permit people like that to choose themselves, and put themselves up for office, so that people vote for them.
L. Moret: I would like to give a few examples of the new future that we have to look forward to.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, yes.


FIG. 28: CONJOINED TWINNING IN HUMANS AND ANIMALS – PALESTINE A two-headed lamb was born on the West Bank of Palestine in October 2008 (1), followed by the first conjoined twins born in Palestine in March of 2010 (2). These birth defects in animals and humans, followed a period of Israeli attacks on Lebanon (2006) and on Gaza (2008-9), with depleted uranium DIME, and the use of nuclear weapons in Lebanon which contaminated Israel. When phenomena occur both in humans and animals it is usually an environmental cause. The Israeli population is also suffering a drastic decline in fertility and birth rates, indicating that the regional population and food supplies have also been contaminated. The continual exposure to nuclear materials from Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, over a protracted period of time since the Iraq war started in 1990 has now damaged the genome of all living things in the region as well. The genocidal agenda of recent events has exposed the real nature of conflicts today as wars by governments against their own people. Source: (1) http://www.asylum.com/2010/08/04/two-headed-creatures-take-pet-ownership-to-the-next-level/ (2) VIDEO: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraphtv/3373297/VIDEO-EMBED-Two-headed-lamb.html P. Eyre, “Gaza’s first Siamese Twins – What are their chances?” Palestine Telegraph, April 9, 2010.


L. Moret: A lamb born in a village in Georgia in Russia with six legs. Two kittens born in England ... Hampshire ... with 54 toes between the two of them. And pigs now born all over China with horrible birth defects. I have an article right in front of me with a photo. The farmers had to teach a young pig how to walk on its front two legs because it doesn't have any back legs. This is the world that is coming, emerging now.


FIG. 29: CHINA HAS ITS SHARE OF BIRTH DEFECTS IN ANIMALS AND HUMANS As the monsoon rains out the radioactive dust and particles from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan across China, it has created the “Silk Road” esophegal cancer epidemic as well as many birth defects reported in babies and animals. Radiation deposited in the environment depends on two things – geography and weather. Even the farthest corners of the world cannot protect the global population from exposure to the covert nuclear wars raging since 1990. Source: “Hamstand: ‘Gymnast’ piglet born without hind legs learns to walk on two front trotters”, 28 November 2011.


Dr. Fetzer: Of course the human genetic abnormalities are simply stunning and horrifying.
L. Moret: And the Emperor of Japan has been in the hospital in November and December and also the little Crown Princess who is only ten with radiation-related illnesses. So…
Dr. Fetzer: Probably from Fukushima or earlier?
L. Moret: Fukushima.
Dr. Busby: Oh yes sure, the Fukushima effects are manifest in the population, particularly heart attacks.
L. Moret: And they kept flying the Emperor and Empress in a helicopter at low altitude up to Fukushima to do photo ops, and they were flying through heavy [nuclear pollution]…


FIG. 30: THE EMPEROR AND EMPRESS OF JAPAN VISIT FUKUSHIMA Radiation respects no borders, no religion, and no socioeconomic class. It is an equal opportunity killer. Even the Emperor his grandaughter, the young daughter of the Crown Prince and Princess, have been affected by exposure to the Fukushima radiation contaminating every part of Japan. They both spent part of November in the hospital. Source: “Japan’s Emperor, Empress, Visit Quake’s Hardest-Hit Areas”, 27 April 2011.


Dr. Fetzer: Heavy contamination. How incredibly stupid.
L. Moret: Heavily contaminated air masses all the way to Fukushima and back. Not just once, but a number of times.
Dr. Fetzer: Well Leuren and Chris, I can’t thank you enough for being here. We have only a minute or two to add one final thought or two from each of you. Leuren, would you like to add a remark?
L. Moret: Yes. What species kills its young for energy? What species kills its young for security? What species kills its young for domination?
Dr. Fetzer: Chris Busby?
Dr. Busby: Well if any Martian historians came here in the future on their flying saucers and looked to see what would happen, they wouldn’t believe it.
Dr. Fetzer: [Voice heavy with emotion]. This is Jim Fetzer, saying thank you to my guests and all of you for listening.

Jim Fetzer, McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, is a former Marine Corps officer and the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

Leuren Moret is an independent geoscientist who has done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster, radiation problems around the world including depleted uranium.

Dr. Christopher Busby is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University of Ulster and is the co-author of reports about the effects of enriched uranium in Iraq especially in Fallujah.


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