Dr. James Fetzer

Leuren Moret

Christina Consolo
The "RadChick"


The Real Deal

Dr. James Fetzer
erview with

Leuren Moret

Christina Consolo,
The "RadChick" of Nuked Radio

Fukushima Update
and Discussion of

28 Indications That
The West Coast Is Being
Absolutely Fried
With Nuclear Radiation


October 24, 2013
Oct 25, 2013 on The Real Deal


Editor's Note: This is still a work-in-progress subject to review and correction by the various principles involved that may be reasonably but not totally accurate at this stage for research purposes.

The Real Deal Radio Show

Host: Dr. James Fetzer Ph.D.
Guests: Leuren Moret and Christina Consolo


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Part I: Published at Veterans Today here
Part II: Published at Veterans Today here

Editor’s Note: This transcription was prepared with "Editor's Notes" by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books, who also helped organize this interview. He has supplied the additional text that appears in brackets below..

NUKED PACIFIC 1: Embryonic effects of Fallout (VIDEO with soundtrack of the interview) (9:20). The complete series incudes Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7





Part 1 of 2



Dr. James Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer your host on The Real Deal, continuing research on Fukushima. I have two experts with me today, I am very pleased to say. One is Christina Consolo, also known as "RadChick." Also Leuren Moret from San Francisco, Oakland Bay area who is an independent geoscientist. Both of them have done extensive work on Fukushima. Christina, let me begin with you. You have had a radio show called "Nuked Radio" and you have a web site FukushimaFacts.com, how did you get drawn into research on this catastrophe?
Christina Consolo: Well I noticed early on after the reactors exploded we already had symptoms of possible fallout in my area of the country in southeast Michigan. I had the metallic taste. I noticed a few weeks after that a lot of the pine trees started turning red, and later on that summer I even noticed mutations in some of the plants and young trees that were growing around here. That is when I really started looking into atmospheric transport and seeing whatever I could find about past nuclear accidents to try to figure out what was happening with this one because there was just no news about it at all.
Dr. Fetzer: Had you done any research in this area? I mean was that anything you had ever studied in school or whatever?
Christina: Well, Chernobyl happened when I was a senior in high school and we spent quite a bit of time studying it back then and I was intrigued by it. And then I have friends and family who worked in the nuclear industry. So it has always been kind of part of my life, and I also was a big supporter of it for a while before I really knew the truth of how dangerous these plants were.
Dr. Fetzer: Well it looks to me like you have done quite a lot of research on it. Leuren, I know you have been noticing some signs of contamination along the Pacific coast and even in Berkeley and San Francisco. Can you tell us some of those indications that things are not going well?
L. Moret: Well, I really noticed it at Christmas, this past Christmas of 2012 when I was traveling on public transportation and also walking up and down the sidewalks, seeing people you don't normally see and babies that don't normally come out into the public view. What I noticed, which was really alarming, is that I saw many indications of birth defects in babies that were born just before or since the Fukushima disaster on March 11, 2011. I knew right away because I was seeing Down Syndrome babies and toddlers, babies with eye defects, birth defects. The brain and the eyes develop in the first month when an
embryo is exposed in that stage very often the brain and/or the eyes are damaged. I also noticed a toddler who had been born in the month, sometime in late February before Fukushima happened. She was about almost two years old, riding on a bus. I moved around from the seat I was in to be able to face her and her baby sitter and I looked at this baby, and the woman who was taking care of her, an older African American woman, noticed that and she said this baby is a dwarf. I love her, but she will never be taller than she is now. I said, "How old is she? When was she born?" She said,
"Late February 2011." So then I knew that radioactive iodine had affected the endocrine system, which is the pituitary, thyroid, and what is the one? Adrenal glands which control growth, organ function, everything in the body. I realized that it had to be Fukushima radioactive iodine that had damaged her. So that was particularly important to see these birth defects expressed already a year and a half after Fukushima because the babies and the unborn are the most susceptible to damage by the ionizing radiation. What Dr. [L. J.] LeVann said, he did a study on bomb testing in Alberta, Canada and other parts of Canada, but he was writing about the effects and researching the effects of the very large hydrogen bomb tests that the Soviets did in the Arctic. He reported in this landmark paper that damage to a developing organism, an organism in the developmental stages has ten to a 100 million times greater damaging effects on that organism than after they are born or they are in later stages of their lives. So the litmus test for ionizing radiation of course is the unborn and the babies, and what we are seeing are increases in infant mortality across the U.S. as well as around the world. Decreases in fertility, and then very strange things like I have seen two cases in the last week of men reported with breast cancer. One man who lived in Massachusetts, who was in his early 40's and an athlete, had breast cancer twice in both of his breasts. So these are just some of the indications. The environment is also contaminated. There have been reports about radiation levels in dried sea weed or they call it nori in Japan in the Chiba area which is between Tokyo and Fukushima and also in seaweed off of the West Coast. We will talk in more detail during the interview [about this] but we wanted to give you first an update on the Fukushima typhoons, this would be from Oct 15th to the present and then compare that to 28 signs we have now that the West Coast is absolutely getting fried. The West Coast of the Pacific Coastline of North America. We will just talk about biological effects and the effects on infants, also the environmental effects, and then we would like to cover this very alarming increase in nuclear power, who is getting involved now. It is China taking over the British system. Also the fact that Janet Napolitano who is head of Home Land Security has now been hired as President of the University of California which is the biggest weapon of mass destruction producer in the world, and that seems to be on the increase. No doubt they will be using many nuclear weapons on civilian populations not only in Iraq and Afghanistan, Lebanon, Gaza, but they are going to be using them in the developed super power countries as well.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina, before we go further, the latest results [voice echoes in background] and we are getting a lot of feedback, I don't know why, but you have noticed some signs in Michigan already of radioactive contamination. Could you mention a word or two about those?
Christina:: Oh, absolutely. The first summer in 2011 I had been a gardener, an avid gardener, and grown my own produce for 17 years and I was always interested in mutations because that was my area of expertise was actually in genetics and retinal pathology in clinical research, but I never saw anything in nature. Pretty soon I started seeing it happening. Things that grew very fast, things that uptake a lot of water like dandelions and weeds and young trees and things of that nature. And then when I went back to the Chernobyl research I learned about the findings in tree leaves and flowers and then later in animals, I started a page on Facebook called Mutation Watch and I put out a call for images to see what people were noticing in their part of the country. You know I get emails every day saying I have been growing corn for 30 years and I have never seen anything like this, or I had these trees on my property my whole life and they have never developed triple and quadruple seedlings. Just all of these changes that are occurring are the same exact same thing that happened after Chernobyl and the same thing that happened after Three Mile Island. I made the acquaintance of a woman named Mary Osborn [Ouassiai] who is known as the mutation lady of Three Mile Island. Whenever anyone in that area notices something funny growing in their yard they call her and she comes over and takes a picture of it and she has collected thousands of images over the years, and when you put our images next to each other, it is all the same thing. So in order for this correlation to be incontrovertible we need to test these plants, but there is no way to test them because the universities are not going to let you just walk in and use their very expensive equipment. Even to test just one small section of a plant would take hours to do, so we are kind of stuck with just collecting images for right now, making those images available to researchers who want to use them in any of the research that they are doing and just to keep asking the public for data and sourcing as much of that as we can through social media. In turn, getting the word out with social media as much as possible too since all of these agencies and organizations that have been set up to protect us and warn us about fallout or other contaminants are not really doing their job. At least from the evidence that we are seeing.
Dr. Fetzer: Well it is stunning, and the fact that these effects are being experienced clear across the country, I mean from San Francisco, Oakland Bay to Michigan is really stunning all by itself. Look Leuren, I know this new study includes a map showing where the contamination is the greatest in the West. The area of greatest concentration appears to be Chicago. And I wonder what that means? Have you got an interpretation about why Chicago or that area should be heavy among the many areas in the country that are being so strongly affected?
L. Moret: OK, you are referring to the contamination map from the article "28 Signs That the West Coast is Being [Absolutely] Fried..."?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: OK, first of all, that is a map of combined radiation contamination from different sources, so part of it is the radiation released that has been released every day from nuclear power plants across the U.S. So that is why there are more symbols on the eastern half of the U.S. Many of those are nuclear power plants which have been in operation since the '60's and 70's. But also there is contamination from the military sources, depleted uranium and so forth on military bases and firing ranges and bombing ranges in the U.S. which are, that stuff is all over the U.S. Every base is contaminated with it, I think you could say. And of course then the rain out and fallout, it is the rainout of the military munitions radiological [effects] and mininukes that they have been using in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, not Syria, Lebanon and other places [Ed. Note: Actually there is strong evidence she had it right the first time, namely that the U.S.-Israel axis has used mininukes in Syria]. That comes across the ocean, believe it or not, all the way across the Eurasian continent over the Pacific and then it is rained out across the United States and Canada. So that is part of the cause of elevated radiation in the U.S. Then of course Fukushima is on top of that and I think that a lot of the radiation, particularly in the western states and the western slope of the Rocky Mountains -- a lot of that is Fukushima. The very large alarming increase in death rates in the U.S., the highest increase is on the west slope of the Rocky Mountains where rain and snow rains out the radiation transported in air masses from west to east.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina, do you have that map in front of you as we speak, because
I want to get your take too on what the distribution shows and whether anything strikes you as especially interesting about this.
Christina: I don't have that map. I saw that map, I don't have it right in front of me but I do know from watching the atmospheric transport and I was doing a fallout forecast for the first year after the accident trying to predict where this rainout would occur and then seeing how it corresponded to these various geiger networks that had been set up. We were able to predict in about 90-95% of the time where the highest levels would occur. And something that I see that happened on a daily basis was higher levels around the Great Lakes region. Part of that is because of all of the humidity from the Great Lakes binds with these particles and they occur with rainout and so forth. In Michigan we have a lot of variance in the weather and in precipitation levels. As it is, being on the east coast of [the state of Michigan adjacent to] Lake Huron, I know that they get about four times the amount of precipitation on the west coast of [Canada bordering Lake] Ontario which is across the lake. So we have this lake effect that occurs, and we also see that with snow fall totals in the Grand Rapids regions which is on the western side of the state that anywhere around these lakes is going to have a greater potential for fallout because of the amount of humidity and increased precipitation. Most of the time it is entirely dependent on where the rain falls and where the snow occurs.
L. Moret: And then the Great Lakes watershed is a vast and enormous region with rain out and snow out of all this radiation flowing into the Great Lakes and increasing the levels there. Of course the water evaporates, it washes up on the shorelines. The radioactive particles are lofted into the air and we know that the highest cancer rates in studies from England and in the U.S. are along shorelines of lakes, coastlines of geographic areas and river banks.


Caption from "28 Signs That The West Coast Is Being Absolutely Fried With Nuclear Radiation From Fukushima" by Michael Snyder, on October 21st, 2013 "The map above comes from the Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center. It shows that radiation levels at radiation monitoring stations all over the country are elevated. As you will notice, this is particularly true along the west coast of the United States. Every single day, 300 tons of radioactive water from Fukushima enters the Pacific Ocean. That means that the total amount of radioactive material released from Fukushima is constantly increasing, and it is steadily building up in our food chain. Ultimately, all of this nuclear radiation will outlive all of us by a very wide margin. They are saying that it could take up to 40 years to clean up the Fukushima disaster, and meanwhile countless innocent people will develop cancer and other health problems as a result of exposure to high levels of nuclear radiation. We are talking about a nuclear disaster that is absolutely unprecedented, and it is constantly getting worse. The following are 28 signs that the west coast of North America is being absolutely fried with nuclear radiation from Fukushima…"


Dr. Fetzer: Let me just encourage everyone to pull up the article "28 Signs the West Coast is Being Absolutely Fried With Nuclear Radiation From Fukushima" [by Michael Snyder] since we are going to be discussing just as we are now not only the map but also the 28 signs where I am very keen on getting Leuren and Christina's explanations as about why those are so significant. But Leuren, looking at the map, it seems to me some of the heaviest contamination seems to be at locations like, if I am not mistaken, Portland, Oregon, San Francisco, possibly it is Los Angeles, more inland it looks like Albuquerque, it looks like Denver, I don't know if that is Austin, Texas. Then there is a real high contamination around what appears to be Orlando. Am I right about those locations?
L. Moret: Those are all either locations where either nuclear power plants, nuclear labs are located and I have collected baby teeth and done studies with the radiation and public health project around those regions in the Seattle [area], the Northwest area including Portland. The Hanford Nuclear Weapons Lab, which has produced plutonium for decades, has really contaminated the Columbia River with constant releases of radiation [so] that the fish populations are affected. The salmon in the Columbia River have increasing female populations and decreasing male populations which is happening globally in the human population due to the hormonal and other effects of ionizing radiation on glands. So we have much more intersex now. That is where male and female reproductive cells are mixed in the same organism. That shouldn't be happening. So polar bears in the Arctic where the Soviets did nuclear bomb tests, the females look normal and they have cubs with them, but they also have vestigial penises as well as female reproductive organs. There has been a study done at Svalbard in the region of the nuclear bomb tests by the Soviet Union. But it is happening in the human population and intersex is being reported all over the world in humans.
Dr. Fetzer: Are you already to the first of the 28 points?
L. Moret: Oh, I was just --
Dr. Fetzer: Just asking there--
L. Moret: I did not actually look at that, but now we know that polar bears in the Arctic region and seals and walruses also have reported fur loss. They are losing their hair, their fur. They have open sores. The same thing is being reported in the moose population along the Canadian-U.S. border from the Pacific to the Atlantic. So this is radiation damage. Radiation exposure causes these things and it is also happening to flight crews for Alaska Airlines, to pilots flying through the contaminated air column. The whole sky, the atmosphere is contaminated all the way up into orbital space with this Fukushima [radiation]. Very dynamic, very mobile plumes and nanoparticles that are just spread all over the world. By 2020 the entire Pacific Ocean will be contaminated by Fukushima radiation.
Dr. Fetzer: It is just dumbfounding. What do you make of these sexual aberrations? Is that because sex chromosomes are particularly sensitive to radiation? Is it just one more manifestation on the order of the birth defects that you are observing showing up with greater frequency in public places? I mean it is all very profoundly disturbing.
L. Moret: Well it is because ionizing radiation, and particularly depleted uranium or uranium is a hormone and an estrogen disrupter. There was a very good study done at the University of New Mexico, very, very good study, and they exposed pregnant female mice to drinking water contaminated with depleted uranium, but at levels the government says are safe. It caused birth defects. It caused changes in abnormalities in the uterus, the lining of the uterus, and of course that is the main cause of endometriosis in women. It has grown, increased horrendously since bomb-testing, particularly around nuclear facilities. So when you change the messenger molecules in the reproductive system all kinds of strange things happen. This isn't normal. It shouldn't be happening, and men shouldn't have female reproductive cells in them, and women shouldn't have male reproductive cells in them. This is all new, and it is part of the miracle "ha-ha" of the nuclear age. It is a nightmare.
Dr. Fetzer: Christine, are you detecting or are there any indications of similar serious sexual abnormalities in Michigan or other areas with which you are acquainted?
Christina: Not that I have had time to look into. Of course it is difficult to find this information because it is not shared freely by the public health departments. But once you understand the way fallout affects populations from studies that have been done, there were some very good studies that were done in the UK in the 60's about childhood leukemia that was very large in populations where women had x-rays done during pregnancy and they found that the earlier in the pregnancy that the pelvic x-ray was performed the greater likelihood of that baby just from one x-ray, that baby had a 50% increase in its chance of developing leukemia, kidney cancer, or brain cancer. The number actually got higher the more x-ray exposure that infant might have had. The study that was done, they tried to correlate this with fallout, and each bomb test that was done during peace time exposed people to approximately one x-ray, or the amount of radiation from one x-ray. But we know that just at that low level that it can be extremely damaging from studies that were done back in the 60's. One in particular I am thinking of from the University of Michigan that correlated the effect of radioactive iodine in infants compared to adults and it was as Leuren had said ten to a thousand times higher for infants than adults. The exposure is greater for inhalation vs. external exposure too, so now we have this ongoing fallout that is coming out in our rains and getting in our food supply. You might only be getting a little bit here and a little bit there, but this is cumulative. This is going to be going on the rest of our lives and our children's lives because there is no way to shut off what is going on at that plant.
L. Moret: Jim--
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, Leuren, yes
L. Moret: Go ahead. I have something to say when Christina finishes.
Christina: We have no way to clean up the three melted fuel cores that are in the ground and this endless pouring of water. What this plant has turned into is just a radiological generating machine and there is no way to turn it off.
Dr. Fetzer: This is just stunning. I am just blown away that Japan would go the direction of nuclear energy when it had suffered the nuclear bomb attacks at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I mean, you would have thought there would be a tremendous cultural revulsion against even doing that and yet they appear to have been sold a package of how beneficial it would be. Even Einstein said that he thought splitting the atom was a ridiculous way to heat a cup of coffee. I mean, to boil water. I really do think that the nuclear energy industry has abdicated its responsibility, and of course we all know about the terrible problem of nuclear waste which has never been resolved, and where Leuren you may have mentioned recently how the situation in Washington is catastrophic because there seems to be all of this nuclear waste that is heading towards an aquifer. It may have been Majia Nadesan in an interview we did just this past week whom I was discussing [this with]. But all of this is terribly disturbing.
L. Moret: Yes, well what I wanted to mention, to add to what Christina presented on these special effects of ionizing radiation, is that in September of 2007 the United States Geological Survey, the U.S.G.S., published a paper, peer-reviewed, and it was a fish study across the entire United States on intersex in fish populations. And what they did was they sampled rivers all over the U.S. and they took the male fish and investigated the reproductive tissues to see how many of the fish, what percentage in each particular population sample expressed intersex, and that is where the male and female reproductive cells are mixed in the same organism. What they reported was every sample -- every sample that they collected in the United States had levels of intersex in the male fish population ranging from low levels up to 95% of the males in the sample. Across the entire U.S., there was only one river where the male fish did not express intersex at some level and that was the Yukon River in Alaska.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina, do you think that there is a political dimension to this that the government feels that there is nothing the government can do so it is not going to warn the population because it might generate hysteria? I mean is that the sort of reasoning that might be taking place at the highest levels? Because our government has to be aware of the scientific facts that Leuren is relating here. They are simply are not sharing them with the public.
Christina: Oh sure, I mean what has been suggested to me during bomb testing is that they knew what the explosions would do. What they wanted to find out is what it would do to the downwind populations. If you read books like Secret Fallout by Dr. Ernest Sternglass, he talks about how people in the areas where they were conducting nuclear weapons tests, the government would give the people free car washes and they would measure the cars for contamination before the wash and afterward, because they wanted to see how successful decontamination would be. You know, we are being experimented on. The only thing that is being controlled about this accident is us. Our government is well aware of the research. Back since the 1920's we have known that even low levels of radiation greatly disrupts DNA. They have continued to introduce this into our environment whether it is to make a sick population that then the health care industry will be able to generate more revenue from, or if it is control reasons. I don't know as much about that as Leuren does from the historical or political perspective.
Dr. Fetzer: But it is just so obvious that you are right, that we are being used as experimental subjects but without our consent, so this is a gross violation of the ethics for experimentation with human subjects which the government, of course its own agencies are supposed to be upholding but in fact the government itself is grossly violating.
L. Moret: Well 85% of the key positions in the U.S. Government are held by Skull and Bones men from Yale. Skull and Bones leads us directly to the London financiers and the Anglo-American permanent war crimes racketeering syndicate
Dr. Fetzer: So you are suggesting that Yale and Skull and Bones are really a conduit for producing intel operatives and corrupt officials for the American government to maintain its course in relation with DHS, Homeland Security, the CIA and so forth.
L. Moret: I think that there is plenty of evidence that has been out in the public venue that supports that. But I would like to go back to the bomb-testing effects. Now Christina said of course the government knew, and I would just like to provide some evidence that supports what she is saying. In the later 2000's I was testifying in the Nevada legislature and working as a research staff scientist at the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab. We were studying the metal canisters and doing pilot studies in New Mexico and in Nevada on storing nuclear waste in these special metal alloy cans. I met a woman who was actually a Rothschild, she told me secretly but not to tell anyone, and she was very impressed with the work I was doing so she went to all of the meetings there in Pahrump, which is a little tiny town near the Nevada Test Site. She found out that the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency, actually had a secret dairy at the Nevada Test Site all through nuclear bomb testing. They were measuring the radiation in cows, in calves, and in their own workers who shoveled manure and fed the cattle in that dairy.
Dr. Fetzer: Oh my gosh.
L. Moret: They also had cattle herds, meat-producing herds that they were also testing. That was classified. But she went to town and she actually got the report declassified and gave it to me. Another piece of evidence is that cattle mutilation during bomb testing began to be reported and it really turned into a very big issue in the U.S.. What a radiation activist told me was that he walked into an office one day in the Midwest, another activist office, about this cattle mutilation. They had a stick pin map where they had put a stick pin for each cattle mutilation reported across the U.S. He said they were all down river or downwind from nuclear facilities and the sheriff in one county actually went up to a black helicopter that had landed at a very tiny airport down in the wildlands, the farmland and discovered it was Army personnel with samples of tissue from cattle, they had mutilated cattle in that area. It was the Army taking samples from horses, cattle, killing them, and then throwing them out of the helicopter after they had sampled them or leaving them on the ground smelling like formaldehyde. This has been a military operation the whole time to monitor the health effects, the radiation levels, and the samples were always taken in the cattle from the eyeballs, that usually has the lowest radiation level in the body, and from the rectum and different organs in the cattle. It was very systematic. We also know that what happened in the bomb test period is happening now to monitor the Fukushima radiation. What they are doing is there is a big effort by the military and the nuclear establishment to manipulate the vital statistics of the U.S. and other countries by secretly aborting, forcing women with defective fetuses to abort them, and then it is reported in the vital statistics to the Centers for Disease Control from each county as voluntary abortions by these women.
That keeps the birth defects and so forth out of the vital statistics at the Centers for Disease Control. Of course these statistics are used globally. So they are fudging everything.
Dr. Fetzer: So these people are suffering serious genetic abnormalities but they are covering it by --
L. Moret: Yes, and they have special units set up now in county hospitals where they are sending poor women, native Americans, African American women, poor people and forcing them to have abortions because the food streams in the United States and in different populations and in different socioeconomic groups are all also contaminated with radiation. The highest levels are in the poor populations, the poor sector of minorities and poor people. The best food, the cleanest food, for instance, you can buy at Whole Foods whether they are importing food from the Southern Hemisphere, and they always have been since they went into operation and became a corporation and a food provider for the U.S. So foodstreams are also being poisoned.
Dr. Fetzer: Well just stunning. There are those of course who surmise that this is actually something that is being allowed to happen in order to contribute to the depopulation of the world. One might think that presumes a rather cynical point of view but the government really doesn't seem to be doing anything that it could do to protect the health and welfare of the population, the citizens of the United States in this instance.
L. Moret: Well it is hard to believe. It is really, really surreal. It is Orwellian. It is a nightmare. But a very, very interesting book has been published called political ponorology. And ponorology is the science on the nature of evil.This particular book is addressing political purposes, Political Ponorology. It is by Andrew M. Lobaczewski [and Laura Knight-Jadczyk] who died recently, but he and a group of scientists in Poland wrote this book about the evil politicians during the Soviet era. The book had to be burned by him because he was told that the Polish intelligence was coming to his house to take it, and he and some of the scientists moved to the Soviet Union, rewrote it, published it, the same thing happened there. He came to the U.S. and he finally published it in his late 80's in the U.S. in about 1985 or 90, but Brzezinski blocked it from being published. It has finally been published and if people are interested in how things like this can happen to humanity and to the biosphere and to this planet, it is a very, very interesting book.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, on that note we are going to have to take our break. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal, with my two very special guest experts on Fukushima, Christina Consolo and Leuren Moret. We will be right back.


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Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer your host on The Real Deal continuing and concluding my conversation with Leuren Moret and Christina Consolo about Fukushima. I am really at your disposal because the two of you are the experts. I know we want to address the "28 Indications That The West Coast is Being Absolutely Fried With Nuclear Radiation," but I leave it to your discretion as to how we shall proceed. Leuren?
L. Moret: Sure, let's see. I think now you can post these in your article, right? Or the transcript?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes
L. Moret: I mean we have links, we have this article and other articles. We will send it all to you and you can weave it into the interview.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, well Bill Fox, to whom I am very indebted for arranging these interviews, will be preparing transcripts of our conversations for publication as articles in Veterans Today. He would be very pleased to include the links to any articles you want to add, Leuren. And of course any graphics you want to provide for the publication in VT.
L. Moret: Sure, OK, Christina how about if we each read one of these and alternate. We read these 28 Signs on the Pacific coast of North America.
Christina: Sure.
L. Moret: So the first one which we mentioned already is [Number 1] "Polar bears, seals and walruses along the Alaska coastline are suffering from fur loss and open sores…" and that has also been reported in the moose population. There is a big moose die off from the Pacific coast to the Atlantic along the Canadian-U.S. border. So you go ahead and do Number 2.
Christina: Number 2 is the "epidemic of sea lion deaths along the California coastline…" but I also want to mention they had an unusual event as far down as San Diego this year where seal pups were being abandoned in much greater numbers than what the rescuers were used to seeing. They still don't have an explanation about why these seal pups were abandoned. They were all under weight. Some of them have been rehabilitated and put back into nature. These events are really escalating and they are moving right up the coast.
Dr. Fetzer: Could it be that from the evolutionary point of view the seal population, the mothers recognize when they have offspring that aren't likely to be capable of sustaining their way and therefore they abandon them early to not invest more maternal resources in their upbringing when their prospects are so slender
Christina: It is a definite possibility.
L. Moret: The other thing that happens is that when a population is put under stress and the young are affected the most by toxins and so forth, and it weakens them and they can't keep up with the mothers or they get lost or they left behind the mothers just can't take care of them or find them when they come back to where they thought they were. So 45% of the pups born in June have died in Southern California along the coast. That is a very high death rate. It is the same as the infant mortality. When you see phenomena occurring in humans and in animal populations it has to be an environmental cause.
Dr. Fetzer: That is all profoundly disturbing. Continue, yes.
L. Moret: So did you have anything else to say Christina?
Christina: I did try to track someone down at NOAA to comment on the seal mortality and what was found in terms of the testing for radioactive materials, because ENENews had reported over a year ago that they did find radiation in the seals but that it wasn't above what they expected it to be for normal background. However they never indicated if it was for cesium or strontium or what exactly they tested for or what the levels were. When I tried to call NOAA to pin somebody down with this I got such a run-around. In fact some of it I did on air on my show and we kept getting sent to David Kelly and then I would call David Kelly and [they would say] "Oh, you want the David Kelly in Hawaii" and then I would call him and they would send me to someone else. What I found out was that they actually carved up these seals and sent them to twenty different labs for testing. You know they sent the whiskers to one lab, then they sent the teeth to another lab and they sent the skin from the dorsal area to another lab. So I mean it is like the Manhattan Project but in reverse.
L. Moret: Same thing! It is the same thing.
Christina: Where they divide up all the information knowing that these people probably won't talk to each other and figure out what is going on
L. Moret: Yes, that is what they are doing. So Number 3 is "Along the Pacific coast of Canada and the Alaska coastline, the population of sockeye salmon is at a historic low. Many are blaming Fukushima." Certainly this woman
, she is a professional biologist has fund-raised and done a study on the salmon in British Columbia in the Fraser River and other rivers. This is an area where a large orca population will summer. The resident orcas that live in a particular area, they come and migrate and spend a whole summer there. They usually arrive with new baby orcas, so they are feeding them too. They live on salmon populations. The other orcas called transient populations, they live on marine sea mammals and they travel in groups of three so that they are quiet and can sneak up on the sea mammals, seals and stuff. So they have very different diets and we are going to see the effects of the radiation in the difference in the diet in these populations over time. I predict that the coastal salmon, the resident populations, are going to have a more severe impact because the salmon are going out into the Pacific, they are eating smaller fish that bioconcentrate the radiation. We just have to wait and see. But this woman who did this study and independently raised the money to analyze, have these salmon lab-analyzed, they have very severe viruses and that indicates immune system damage as well as a slimy star fish goo. The star fish are just kind of melting along the North Pacific Coast.
Dr. Fetzer: Oh God.
L. Moret: And then the jellyfish also.So that really sounds like a viral infection or some kind of bacterial-viral slime on them.
Dr. Fetzer: You know the exposure to radiation will affect their immune systems or their capacity to cope with otherwise threats to their environment they might normally be able to deal with and make them far more vulnerable to these kinds of diseases and related problems.
L. Moret: Christina--
Christina: Number 4 was "Something is causing fish all along the west coast of Canada to bleed from their gills, bellies and eyeballs." I mean, bleeding and bruising is a hallmark of radiation exposure and sure there are mutations of viruses and bacteria that could be making these fish sick. They are indicating from this article that it is in multiple species. Now I did call several fisheries over the last few days in Canada, one in the Great Lakes region, Purdy's [Fish Market], and another in the Vancouver area. Both of the people that I spoke to at those fisheries were very forthcoming. They all knew about Fukushima. They knew that there was a potential for it to be affecting their catches. They did report from both the Great Lakes region and from B.C. that they are experiencing lows in their catch. Nothing historic, but that it was kind of across the board. But neither organization had noted any increase of disease. When I asked them who is testing the fish for radiation, they said that was not their job. That happened after the fish leave their market place.
Dr. Fetzer: After the fish leave their market place.
Christina: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: So they are getting into the food chain for the human population and only then they are going to be tested? Not likely, because the retailers are going to want to market it and make their profit. No one cares about the health of the consumer.
L. Moret: Well they just balkanize countries. They balkanize the media too, so that is what is happening.
Christina: It all needs to be tested, and Leuren had brought up in an interview that she did last week with Alfred Webre that I mean there is a serious economic impact to this disaster that we are just now starting to realize. Obviously it is going to be affecting the fishing industry pretty severely.
Dr. Fetzer: Just as has happened on the Gulf Coast from the BP disaster, I mean it has just wiped out whole industries there.
Christina: Right.
L. Moret: What they are doing is they are out there fishing like mad, scraping the bottom. They have these huge nets that are a mile wide. They are just taking everything indiscriminately and canning it, freezing it, and turning it into human food. This is just how they spread the radiation everywhere. They want everyone exposed, just exactly what they are doing in Japan by burning radioactive trash all over Japan. Number Five is "A vast field of radioactive debris from Fukushima that is approximately the size of California" or Texas "has crossed the Pacific Ocean and is starting to collide with the west coast."
Dr. Fetzer: That is stunning. That's stunning!
L. Moret: That's right, and there is a very good article, October 18th by Greg Ray in the Herald newspaper in Australia. It is called the "Ocean is Broken." This is by a sailor who made many trips, yacht races across the Pacific and what he is saying now, he sailed his boat from Osaka to San Francisco recently, he said:

...The next leg of the long voyage was from Osaka to San Francisco and for most of that trip the desolation was tinged with nauseous horror and a degree of fear.
"After we left Japan, it felt as if the ocean itself was dead," Macfadyen said.
"We hardly saw any living things. We saw one whale, sort of rolling helplessly on the surface with what looked like a big tumour on its head. It was pretty sickening.
"I've done a lot of miles on the ocean in my life and I'm used to seeing turtles, dolphins, sharks and big flurries of feeding birds. But this time, for 3000 nautical miles there was nothing alive to be seen."
In place of the missing life was garbage in astounding volumes...
..."In a lot of places we couldn't start our motor for fear of entangling the propeller in the mass of pieces of rope and cable. That's an unheard of situation, out in the ocean.
"If we did decide to motor we couldn't do it at night, only in the daytime with a lookout on the bow, watching for rubbish.
"On the bow, in the waters above Hawaii, you could see right down into the depths. I could see that the debris isn't just on the surface, it's all the way down. And it's all sizes, from a soft-drink bottle to pieces the size of a big car or truck.
"We saw a factory chimney sticking out of the water, with some kind of boiler thing still attached below the surface. We saw a big container-type thing, just rolling over and over on the waves.
"We were weaving around these pieces of debris. It was like sailing through a garbage..." [pile].

Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: That is reality. That is what is happening.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina --
Christina: Number 6: "It is being projected that the radioactivity of coastal waters off the U.S. west coast could double over the next five to six years."
Dr. Fetzer: I'll bet sooner.
Christina: I think that is being pretty generous. I think it is going to happen sooner.
Dr. Fetzer: Much too conservative.
Christina: There are many things that need to be taken into account. How much radioactivity might be carried from this debris. Much of it is porous. Cloth and styrofoam and wood that is going to collect particles that have been raining out over the past two and a half years. Then we also have a situation of uranium buckey balls and now the newest finding, cesium buckey balls. That was just reported today. Leuren can explain a little bit more about that, but we don't know how those things travel in the ocean waters.
L. Moret: Yes, scientists are reporting that spheres of radioactive material from Fukushima are being reported for the first time. Ball-like particles composed of cesium, iron, zinc, solid [Ed. Note: she probably meant "soluble"] and insoluble in water, [the] impact on human health need to be examined. What they are talking about are nanoparticles. They are produced, these spherical particles, I know all about this because depleted uranium is just like this. This indicates since these are being reported now, very recently, as a new phenomenon, it means that the fuel rods are burning in Fukushima at extremely high temperatures. It means there is no water in the pools or some of the pools. What happens at these very high temperatures is that they are so high the burning fuel rods release a gas, a very hot gas, that condenses and collects as a spherical radioactive particle when the very hot gas begins to chill. That indicates that Fukushima fuel rods are definitely burning at extremely high temperatures, and that was not reported right after the Fukushima earthquake and tsunami. So that place is going in flames and releasing extremely radioactive, very, very dangerous spherical nanoparticles of mixed radioactive isotopes and those tiny spheres are extremely dangerous because they have an effect called the particulate effect. They actually change chemicals and interfere with cell processes that are life-threatening and cause very high rates of various illnesses caused by ionizing radiation. But there is our proof right there that Fukushima is on fire.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable
Christina: I have a question. Leuren, have you ever heard of this type of nanoparticle before in a reactor accident?
L. Moret: No.
Christina: I haven't either
L. Moret: No, I haven't either. But it is definitely characteristic of depleted uranium from the battlefield. Uranium is a pyrophoric metal. It catches on fire very, very easily and it burns at temperatures up to 5,000 degrees centigrade which is hotter than the sun! So these tiny particles are the most lethal part of the danger of a nuclear power plant burning or using depleted uranium weapons. Of course we know at Fukushima that they have MOX fuel in one of the reactors. That is mixing plutonium and uranium in the fuel and it is very unstable. It burns at very high temperatures. Of course plutonium is extremely lethal to living organisms.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina --
Christina: Number 7, "Experts have found very high levels of cesium-137 in plankton living in the waters of the Pacific Ocean between Hawaii and the west coast."
Dr. Fetzer: Oh, that is not normal, hunh?
Christina: Well you know they detected two weeks after the accident already very high levels in the kelp off B.C., and at that time it was I-131 I believe which after 40 days dissipates, but I-129 sticks around for much longer. I have an article called "The Bioaccumulation of Contamination in Plankton." This is from the U.S. Armed Forces in 1955. Plankton concentrate mineral elements from the water and it has been found that radioactivity may be concentrated in this manner by as much as a thousand times.
Thus, for example, one gram of plankton could contain a thousand times as much radioactivity as a gram of water adjacent to it.
Dr. Fetzer: Unreal.
Christina: And I believe we know even more now than we did back then, but I mean this is bad news for anything in the ocean that lives on plankton, which is everything. But things that feed directly on it like whales.
L. Moret: It is the base of the food chain. What we know about bioaccumulation in seaweed is that seaweed bioconcentrates ionizing radiation in the seawater to 150,000 times higher levels in seaweed than in the water the seaweed is living in.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: So Number 8: "One test in California found that 15 out of 15 bluefin tuna were contaminated with radiation from Fukushima." That was just about a year ago when tuna off the coast of San Diego were sampled and I think all of them had cesium in the flesh and these tuna had come from Japan which is where they spawn offshore from Fukushima.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina --
Christina: Yes, Number 9 ties into that too "Back in 2012, the Vancouver Sun reported that cesium-137 was being found in a very high percentage of the fish that Japan was selling to Canada…

  • 73 percent of mackerel tested
  • 91 percent of the halibut
  • 92 percent of the sardines"

Christina: [Interjecting] Of course now the sardines from here have disappeared. [Continues to read from the article].

  • "93 percent of the tuna and eel
  • 94 percent of the cod and anchovies
  • 100 percent of the carp, seaweed, shark and monkfish"

Dr. Fetzer: A 100%!
L. Moret: One hundred percent, and that is because the levels in these different fish depend on their diet, so fish that prey on other fish usually have lower levels than fish that feed on plankton, for instance, or they are bottom feeders and they pick up mud and small particles which have higher levels of radiation because of the chemical affinity that tiny particles have for radiation. In other words, very tiny clay particles in water are scavengers for highly charged radioactive particles.
Dr. Fetzer: Continue--.
L. Moret: [Number] 10: "Canadian authorities are finding extremely high levels of nuclear radiation in certain fish samples…

Some fish samples tested to date have had very high levels of radiation: one sea bass sample collected in July, for example, had 1,000 becquerels..."

Leuren Moret [Interjecting] that means disintegrations per second. [Continues to read from the article]

"...per kilogram of cesium."

L. Moret: Now the terrible thing about cesium is that if affects the heart. It is collected in the heart. The heart produces new cells only about 5% per year. So we are seeing athletes, race horses, celebrities during performance, pilots while they are flying are collapsing, they are dying of heart attacks or cardiac failure. This is being very widely reported in the U.S. and Alaska flight crews and also in England football players, race horses. That is the cesium damage. Now what people don't realize is that nearly 2,000 radioactive isotopes are produced in a fissioning process and that is what is coming out of the fuel rods so you have to multiply the danger of the cesium they are reporting by almost two thousand other isotopes. We are getting absolutely bombarded.
Dr. Fetzer: If I pick up on Number 11, people developing cancer from eating contaminated fish, why I am stunned by this is it seems to be having such a rapid effect. I mean, here we have this Daniel Hirsh, a nuclear policy lecturer at UC Santa Cruz who is telling Global Security Newswire “We could have large numbers of cancer from ingestion of fish'” and I take it they are already showing up. [Editor's Note: Number 11 reads as follows:]
"Some experts believe that we could see very high levels of cancer along the west coast just from people eating contaminated fish…"

`Look at what’s going on now: They’re dumping huge amounts of radioactivity into the ocean — no one expected that in 2011,” Daniel Hirsch, a nuclear policy lecturer at the University of California-Santa Cruz, told Global Security Newswire. “We could have large numbers of cancer from ingestion of fish.'”

L. Moret: It is already showing up
Dr. Fetzer: How quickly? You know it is just astonishing that it should be that fast.
Christina: Well you know part of the problem too is that when you look back at Chernobyl, in Japan they are saying right now all these kids that they are finding thyroid problems with, you know, they are developing nodules, some of them have early cancer. -- the experts are saying this can't be from Fukushima because it is happening too fast, because in Chernobyl it took four or five years for a hundred kids to have cancer.
L. Moret: Well it is these very tiny particles and it is constant exposure now for two years, more than two years. Chernobyl was just one exposure, and they put the lid on it. They put a sarcophagus on it and stopped it. This is constant, daily, 24 hour a day releases of low level and not so low level radiation. By April of 2011, just two months after Fukushima, air samples and air filters in cars were analyzed by Dr. Chris Busby. He calculated that by April the radiation concentrations in the air in Japan around the Fukushima area indicated that the equivalent of 300 Chernobyls had occurred. We are talking now from this new evidence about spherical particles, we are talking about all those fuel rods, or large numbers of fuel rods in the cooling pools that are now empty are releasing huge new amounts of extremely toxic sphericals.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: So it is really bad and a new study by the Radiation and Food Lab, I believe it is in Japan, they reported that the 19th of October 2013, that Pacific Coast seaweed is contaminated with cesium and that the levels are 8.14 becquerels per kilo for Cs-134, 8.88 becquerels per kilo for Cs-137, and cobalt is even being reported in seaweed off the Pacific Coast of the U.S. at 3.7 becquerels per kilo. In Chiba, which is north, is between Tokyo and Fukushima, the cesium levels were 41 becquerels per kilo for Cs -134, 63 becquerels per kilo for Cs-137, and although no cobalt 60 was detected, but there is nothing to compare this to. You cannot even compare it to Chernobyl. The spent fuel rods did not burn at Chernobyl. It was just the reactor rods and they stopped it right away. But these people in Japan are releasing, they are guaranteeing, they are facilitating increased releases of extremely high levels of radiation on a daily basis into the atmosphere and into the ocean and off course contaminated air masses are over here along the Pacific Coast line in a matter of days.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina, could you take 12, 13, and 14?
Christina: Sure. Number 12 is the "BBC News recently reported that radiation levels around Fukushima are `18 times higher' than previously believed." And, you know,
again it is TEPCO's numbers which are always revised higher. With the last few weeks where we have had kind of this escalation of events, one of the things that I found really curious is that because of a wall that was built underground to block the corium from going out into the sea , or highly contaminated water going out into the sea, effectively they have dammed up the site, so the ground is now becoming saturated. If you have this underground corium lava field under the reactors, you have ground water that is flowing through the site and you have water that is continuously being poured on the reactors, and they are only collecting 300 or 400 tons of that a day, I think what we are going to see eventually is that this corium-ground water combination is going to be coming up around this site. At that point workers are not going to be able to be there. There is no way to protect them especially from tritium because tritium will go through everything. So they are really under the gun for anything that they need to do. They are going to cycle through workers continuously. There is no way to keep people on the site for long term with the kind of exposures they are getting with these numbers that we are seeing.
[Editor's Note: Numbers 13 and 14, which were skipped in this interview, read as follows:]

13. "An EU-funded study concluded that Fukushima released up to 210 quadrillion becquerels of cesium-137 into the atmosphere."

14. "Atmospheric radiation from Fukushima reached the west coast of the United States within a few days back in 2011."

Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, how about 15, 16 and 17?
L. Moret: [Number 15]: "At this point, 300 tons of contaminated water is pouring into the Pacific Ocean from Fukushima every single day." That is because Japan is an island arc. The nuclear power plants are built on the coastline so they can use sea water, huge amounts of water every day to cool the reactors. The run off from the volcanic spine of Japan is running right down to the coastline and it is washing straight through Fukushima in that location and just carrying a constant river of radioactive water washing into the sea. Number 16: "A senior researcher of marine chemistry at the Japan Meteorological Agency’s Meteorological Research Institute says that `30 billion becquerels of radioactive cesium and 30 billion becquerels of radioactive strontium' are being released into the Pacific Ocean from Fukushima every single day." I bet it is a lot more than that. Number 17: "According to Tepco, a total of somewhere between 20 trillion and 40 trillion becquerels of radioactive tritium..." [Leuren Moret interjects] radioactive tritium is radioactive water, basically, "...have gotten into the Pacific Ocean since the Fukushima disaster first began."
Dr. Fetzer: Christina, 18, 19, and 20.
Christina: [Number 18:] "According to a professor at Tokyo University, 3 gigabecquerels of cesium-137 are flowing into the port at Fukushima Daiichi every single day." Again, that is just one isotope. It is just cesium 137. Number 19: "It has been estimated that up to 100 times as much nuclear radiation has been released into the ocean from Fukushima than was released during the entire Chernobyl disaster." Leuren just covered that when she talked about
Chris Busby's air filter studies.
L. Moret: That is under estimation
Dr. Fetzer: Yes. [Number] 20 --
Christina: [Number] 20:
"One recent study concluded that a very large plume of cesium-137 from the Fukushima disaster will start flowing into U.S. coastal waters early next year

Ocean simulations showed that the plume of radioactive cesium-137 released by the Fukushima disaster in 2011 could begin flowing into U.S. coastal waters starting in early 2014 and peak in 2016."

Christina: There are so many unknowns.
L. Moret: It is going to kill the oceans. It absolutely is, the coastline [too].
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, go to 21 and 22.
L. Moret: OK, [Number] 21 "It is being projected that significant levels of cesium-137 will reach every corner of the Pacific Ocean by the year 2020." That is because the ocean is very dynamic and that stuff is spread all over, very rapidly, but not as rapidly as in the atmosphere. [Number] 22: "It is being projected that the entire Pacific Ocean will soon `have cesium levels 5 to 10 times higher' than what we witnessed during the era of heavy atomic bomb testing in the Pacific many decades ago." That is going to absolutely kill the fish populations.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina: 23, 24.
Christina: [Number 23:]
"The immense amounts of nuclear radiation getting into the water in the Pacific Ocean has caused environmental activist Joe Martino to issue the following warning

`Your days of eating Pacific Ocean fish are over.'”

Christina: Mine were over two years ago! [Laughter]
Dr. Fetzer: Smart. You were ahead of the curve. 24?
Christina: [Number] 24 is
"The Iodine-131, Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 that are constantly coming from Fukushima are going to affect the health of those living the the northern hemisphere for a very, very long time. Just consider what Harvey Wasserman had to say about this…

Iodine-131, for example, can be ingested into the thyroid, where it emits beta particles (electrons) that damage tissue. A plague of damaged thyroids has already been reported among as many as 40 percent of the children in the Fukushima area. That percentage can only go higher. In developing youngsters, it can stunt both physical and mental growth. Among adults it causes a very wide range of ancillary ailments, including cancer.
Cesium-137 from Fukushima has been found in fish caught as far away as California. It spreads throughout the body, but tends to accumulate in the muscles.
Strontium-90’s half-life is around 29 years. It mimics calcium and goes to our bones."

Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, 25 and 26.
L. Moret: [Number] 25:
"According to a recent Planet Infowars report, the California coastline is being transformed into “a dead zone”…

The California coastline is becoming like a dead zone.
If you haven’t been to a California beach lately, you probably don’t know that the rocks are unnaturally CLEAN – there’s hardly any kelp, barnacles, sea urchins, etc. anymore

Dr. Fetzer: [Interjecting] Killing all the microscopic forms of life?
L. Moret: Yes.. [Continuing to read from the article].

...and the tide pools are similarly eerily devoid of crabs, snails and other scurrying signs of life…

L. Moret: In other words, these filter feeders that are taking in very high levels and bioconcentrating them are just not able to survive. Especially compared to ten to fifteen years ago when you had to wear tennis shoes if you went to the beach or you would cut the heck out of the bottom of your feet. Life is being exterminated. The ocean is going extinct.

[Editor's Note: the following is the remainder of Number 25]

...and especially as compared to 10 – 15 years ago when one was wise to wear tennis shoes on a trip to the beach in order to avoid cutting one’s feet on all the STUFF of life – broken shells, bones, glass, driftwood, etc.
There are also days when I am hard-pressed to find even a half dozen seagulls and/or terns on the county beach.
You can still find a few gulls trolling the picnic areas and some of the restaurants (with outdoor seating areas) for food, of course, but, when I think back to 10 – 15 years ago, the skies and ALL the beaches were literally filled with seagulls and the haunting sound of their cries both day and night…"
NOW it’s unnaturally quiet."

Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: Then it is carried into the Atlantic Ocean and it will happen there, in the Arctic Ocean, and around the Antarctic. They are killing the entire global ocean.
Dr. Fetzer: 26
Christina: [Number] 26 is "A study conducted last year came to the conclusion that radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster could negatively affect human life along the west coast of North America from Mexico to Alaska `for decades.'”
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, 27
L. Moret: [Number] 27. "According to the Wall Street Journal, it is being projected that the cleanup of Fukushima could take up to 40 years to complete." It is never going to stop releasing in our life time.
Dr. Fetzer: I agree. 28, Christina.
Christina: [Number 28:] "Yale Professor Charles Perrow is warning that if the cleanup of Fukushima is not handled with 100% precision that humanity could be threatened `for thousands of years'…" He is referring to the fuel extraction in part which is scheduled to start in 15 days from Reactor 4. They actually are currently moving fuel from reactor 6 into the common spent fuel pool. Now they began that in Mid-October but it took them three weeks just to pry off the reactor lid in Reactor 6, and that reactor was supposed to be fine. It did not have any damage that was reported. If they found anything once they got inside that reactor they haven't talked about it. But they are currently moving that fuel and they are going to be moving the fuel from Number 4 at the same time around the end of November.
[Editor's Note: The remainder of Number 28 reads:]

`Conditions in the unit 4 pool, 100 feet from the ground, are perilous, and if any two of the rods touch it could cause a nuclear reaction that would be uncontrollable. The radiation emitted from all these rods, if they are not continually cool and kept separate, would require the evacuation of surrounding areas including Tokyo. Because of the radiation at the site the 6,375 rods in the common storage pool could not be continuously cooled; they would fission and all of humanity will be threatened, for thousands of years.'”

Dr. Fetzer: In the minutes we have that remain I would like your concluding reflections, Christina?
Christina: Well I think this is an issue of enormous complexity. It is difficult to really wrap your mind around it even if you do nothing else but read about this problem day after day. I know many people that have. Fukushima has changed their lives because they realized right from the beginning the magnitude of the disaster. For people who are kind of overwhelmed by this, the only thing you have to remember is that all radiation is bad. Everything that you can do to eliminate it in your daily life is good for the long run, because it is cumulative. You kind of have to treat yourself like you are already a cancer patient and get lots of sleep and eat well and pay attention to the people who are talking about this because it is really is probably the most important issue that we have ever faced.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, summing up in a sentence or two.
L. Moret: Well, the effects of these nuclear technologies that have been introduced one after another it actually has resulted in very strange phenomenon and that is that the oldest people in the U.S., the seniors and those over 60, are the healthiest part of the U.S. population now, and the younger populations are having worse and worse health histories and health effects and as time goes on and they become adults all that exposure in the womb is expressed later on in their health. The highest increase in death rates after Fukushima was reported in basically the soldiers who returned to Texas from the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. They are the most exposed. They are already carrying a body burden and it has almost killed them and that little bit of Fukushima radiation just was the last straw.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren Moret and Christina Consolo, I can't thank you enough for being here on The Real Deal with me, even though what you are telling us is overwhelming, depressing, even catastrophic. I can't thank you enough.




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