Henrik Palmgren interview with Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde
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Henrik Palmgren: It is great to have you with
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a warm welcome to everyone tuning in from around the globe.
It has now been almost two weeks since the attacks on Norway,
Friday the 22nd of July. And as more and more information comes
to light and also being buried, we are today going to run through
what is known at this point about the Oslo bombing, the shootings
at Utoya, the motives of the accused Anders Behring Breivik
and the possibility of him being a victim of mind control. We
are going to discuss his manifesto 2083 a European Declaration
of Independence. We will also talk about the inconsistencies,
the strange action by certain people in the right places, and
how this tragedy now is being used for political purposes. Finally,
we look closer at the symbolism involved in this massacre as
well. We have with us Rauna Leena Luukanen Kilde, a medical
doctor originally from Finland but she is currently living in
Norway. She was the chief medical officer of Lapland and now
she is more known for her books and lectures on mind control
and conspiracies. Her work also includes parapsychology and
out of body experiences. Stay with us for the next two hours.
Well, well, Rauni, it is good to have you back with us of course.
When we talked with you last time in May we timely talked about
mind control. We talked about the school shootings in Finland
and the gun laws and the consequences that this has had now,
but just, here we are, a few months or years later faced with
one of the biggest massacres since World War Two in terms of
Norwegian history, and I would reckon the history of the European
continent as well. At least this kind of crime. It is an incredible
situation. And of course you are in Norway yourself. What is
your first impression of all of this Rauni? I see we began to
see the news unfolding, and so forth. What is your first reaction
when you saw all of this?
Dr. Luukanen-Kilde: When I heard first of course
about the bombings, so-called car bomb that devastated the city,
in the middle with all the government buildings, I thought that
was very strange when it was followed with the shooting of the
youths on the island. And immediately the first thought was
this man is mind-controlled and this was planned a long time
ago. This is not what the official proof is coming out in the
mass media. I was just convinced immediately that there is a
lot behind, that they are hiding from the general public, and
they still do hide. So I think it is a tremendous operation
to cause trauma, to cause political gain, to maybe give kind
of a hit to Norway because Norway is today on the first of August
pulling out all of its flights from Libya and up to now Norway
has been the country that has been bombing Libya more than anybody
else. Almost 600 hits. And just now I heard on the 22nd, which
is the same date of the massacre here, on the 22nd Norway was
bombing Libya's waterlines and water installations so that 75%
of the houses in Libya are now without water. And it was stated
that 90% of all Libya is now without water. Now that is atrocious.
So there are many things that are happening. On the other hand
on the island it was very soon revealed that the foreign minister
[Jonas] Gahr Store had given a talk, and it was publicized and
there he supported a Palestinian independent state and a Palestinian
spirit. He said in spirit we support. Now that definitely is
not very, very favorable for Israelis, I don't think. So there
are a lot of things that are tying up. It is not simple.
Palmgren: Absolutely, I totally agree. We have
the NATO/CIA connection. We have the Palestine-Israel conflict
being waged on Norwegian soil pretty much at this point. We
want to go through some of these details later just as you mention.
There is much to this as well in terms of the timing of all
of this. But if we begin kind of at the beginning in terms of
the events that unfolded on the 22nd, one of the first things
that I did was to analyze the material that was available at
the time, made a video about some of the inconsistencies that
I saw in terms of the bombing alone. I tried to point out that
it was strange -- there wasn't any big gush in the street or
crater or what have you. But this has consequently more material
coming out all the time, and many things is pointing to the
fact there might have been a car then placed very, very close
to the government building. The H-block building as it is called.
But there are still so many questions remaining of course about
who allowed it to be there. And ultimately obviously the thing
that will answer these questions is if we ever will get to see
some of the CCTV, the surveillance camera footage. Do you think
that we will get to that situation, Rauni?
Dr. L-K: Well, not right now, because the investigations
are going on. Of course they will hide. But as for the crater,
you know I paid attention because the net magazine nyhetsspeilet.no
was writing about this incident, and then there were many people
writing and asking why is there no crater? Why are there no
signs in the street that there was a car bomb? And after these
writings, six days after it was on the 28th, Verdens
Gang the biggest newspaper here in Norway, they showed
a video, and there was a huge crater, and they said it exploded
inside the road, or inside the asphalt and went into
the garage of the building, of the government building. Now
why would it take six days to show that after people
had criticized that there were no signs? Then a bomb expert
was saying just recently tht it seemed that the bomb was inside.
And that may be of course the fire that was upstairs there.
And many of the glasses of the windows they also went outside
into the street. Instead of also going inside. So of course
when they blast they go all over. But there are many, many questions
that do not fit with the official explanation.
Palmgren: Absolutely, I have been looking at
the material from the crater and you know the hole or the gush
close to the building and one thing obviously that someone pointed
out is even the way the roof is sloping downward. Implying,
and again this is just speculation, understandably, but implying
the force mingt have come from top and come down, creating this
kind of crater as well.
Dr. L-K: Exactly.
Palmgren: But the question that still remains
for me of course is that apparently one security guard lost
his life during this, and this might have been the guard who
went out to take a look at the van, and I don't know how the
security was at the time, but the big question for me is of
course how can a van park there? We might be talking about a
minute and a half in total that he drove in the car, parked
it close to the building, basically just jumped out and a minute
or a minute and a half later it exploded, which is of course
a very, very short time. Understandably this would have been
difficult for the security people to actually do something about.
What do you think about that, Rauni?
Dr. L-K: Well, he has been in the video, at
least according to newspapers. That he was filmed but not with
a car or something. At least no news said about that, but he
himself has been shown, not shown, but he stated that he was
there. Now like it says, at first he put a big manifest into
the Internet, then he made the car bomb explode, then he ran
into the car, 40 kilometers, took the ferry to the island, and
then started shooting. Now there is something that doesn't fit.
So a lot of questions are there. Most of it is mostly speculation,
but I am convinced that the truth is coming out slowly, and
I think those who were behind the whole thing, not only him
-- he is a mind-controlled patsy -- totally clear, but those
who planned it. So that, I don't think they realize that people's
awareness has risen from September 11th when people were shocked
and knew nothing. So people start asking questions. And of course
to cause trauma for a whole nation, that has not happened in
Scandinavia ever to this degree. Not after the Second World
War. So to keep on this trauma, every day the news, every day
there are concerts and speeches and people are remembering those
who are dead, which is fine, but it also keeps it rolling all
Palmgren: Yes, that is right.
Dr. L-K: And the thing that hit me right the
next day that when they first had announced that these govenrment
buildings were hit, then they announced of course later that
so and so many people, and the figures were totally wrong. That
can be explained in the errors of course. You can't count everybody.
But they did say that 86 died. Now the police said it is 68.
Now in all intelligence operations, you flip everythng upside
down. And 86 and 68 is exactly upside down, but the main point
was that in the news, all the news was concentrating on the
island and the dead young people. So the shift of the focus
from the government buildings came to the human side of it and
that was very well done. And nobody really talks so much about
the government buildings any more. It is always only the dead
and the wounded.
Palmgren: Yes, that is right. I have been trying
to look into the timeline, and I am still working on this. I
have not been to detail everything. Apparently there was a three
hour delay. The police claimed that they obviously have caught
the cars that he was renting into Volkswagen crafter, big vans.
One apparently that housed the bomb, and then one he drove out
to the island, and then there was a third car involved. A Fiat
Doblò or whatever it is called, which he drove lastly
from his place in Rena down to Oslo before the attack, basically.
And I am personally wondering as well obviously where did he
send out this manifesto as you pointed out from? Did he do this
at the apartment of his mom and speculate that he staid there
over the night. But I am not sure that the timeline makes sense
just quite yet, because there is a three hour delay if you will
in the operation and he claimed that he was delayed. That is
what I have been able to read from the papers so far. Do you
have anything else to point out in regards to the timeline,
Dr. L-K: No, no, but except that I just heard
that was it yesterday new news or something that his driving
from Oslo to the island, to the mainland next to the island,
was delayed because of a car crash. Now I don't think, why are
they giving that kind of information now and not in the first
days? So I do not believe what official explanations are. But
it was interesting that a day before, because in Rena he has
this farm, he has had it for about a month, and they were finding
later explosives there. So there was an earthquake there the
Palmgren: Yes, that is right.
Dr. L-K: So that is very strange. And also
it is very strange that in Oslo people were reporting black
helicopters. A lot of helicopter activity in Oslo. Why? Before!
Palmgren: There was a bomb drill as well, and
I haven't, do you know what building this was at? Have you heard
about that drill that was on-going a few days --?
Dr. L-K: No, but if you say that there was
a drill in that case it is exactly the same scenario like they
always have, those who are behind this. Because the drill was
also in September 11th. Remember?
Palmgren: That's right.
Dr. L-K: Dick Cheney and George W. Bush were
sitting -- there was a drill at the same time as the planes
officially crashed. In London when there was a metro accident,
there was a drill with bombs going plus the real bombs going.
So I didn't know that they had a drill here. So they used the
same. They always use the same scenario because it works.
Dr. L-K: And a few days before I was very surprised
and I looked up because there is a lot of chemtrail activity
and that was a lot of chemtrail activity around Oslo also, which
of course is military activity. But I heard some very hard sounds
in the sky, and so I went out, and one, two, three black, almost
black-grey bombers went very low over my house. Very low. I
mean I was shocked, and they had no signs. No Norwegian flag.
No nothing. It was just grey-black bombers. And I thought, whew!
That is kind of a warning sign, what is going to happen. And
they do talk about black helicopters in the States, you know,
that are doing things when something is happening, so there
is definitely a military thing involved.
Palmgren: So what if we look, point out as
well, there was maintenance being done at least on the R4 building,
you know, on the right hand side opposite to the H-block building
where the majority of the damage was done to basically, but
in the opposite way there was some kind of maintenance being
done? And there was some kind of underground work, I believe,
was happening underneath the buildings which adds to this pile,
obviously, but can we talk a bit about fertilizer bombs and
maybe go back to Oklahoma City and compare some of the things
bewteen here then. Because one of the questions here of course
is how much damage can a fertilizer bomb do and how far does
the shock wave go, and I am not an expert on this obviously,
and I do not know how much you know either, Rauni, would you
think that this is possible. Is it prossilbe a fertilzer bomb
doing all this damage that we saw?
Dr. L-K: Well, locally, I think. But why would
it do it so that they were heard 30 kilometers away in other
commuities around Oslo, and all the city of Oslo if this is
true. Because I am very skeptical about the official news in
the mass media. And I am not an expert on bombs, so I really
Palmgren: Yes, yes.
Dr. L.-K. But its sounds that there is something
that is not correct. And what is not correct in my mind is that
the whole thing about a bomb is a hoax. Because it seems that
it was done with Tesla Technology, with HAARP type of technology
coming from the sky. And of course that you cannot oppose. I
mean, how could we? How could anybody? And we had Klar
Vayanta(sp?16:36) at nyhetsspeilet.no,
she has said before this that she has seen that it comes from
the sky. And I immediately when I heard about this, I thought
this is HAARP-type of technology.They are experimenting and
the car bomb is just a camouflage. I saw a thing that supports
this. I saw the TV, I do not have TV for various reasons, but
I went to a friend and saw a TV, and there was a quick show
of a car, and it was very interesting, because I had just been
to Amsterdam to a secret space program, where they showed surprisingly
September 11th damages which I had never heard of. You know
many, many blocks away the cars were without engines. They had
melted or dematerialized or whatever. And of course that came
from the sky. It did not come from any planes or the burning
of the skyscrapers or something. So that for the first time
I saw what the cars looked like when the Tesla HAARP technology
hits, you know, the ground, in this Oslo TV one of the cars
I understood would have been the car bomb, it was missing the
roof, but underneath, the underpart was in tact and the roof
missing, was cut with a laser. And it was all brown like it
was burnt. And I thought, oh, this is exactly what I saw in
Palmgren: Are you talking about the car that
was kind of lying on its side?
Dr. LK: The car that they probably showed that
was the car bomb.
Palmgren: Well obviously you are referring
to the work of Dr. Judy Wood who we have had with us on this
show. Risa Holger [spelling? 18:29] went through some of the
material in Amsterdam.
Dr. L-K: Right.
Palmgren: This is about a directed energy weapon
and well so far I would have to disagree with that analysis
because I don't see it. I see that something must have gone
off on this surface. I have had several people writing me obviously
when I did this video and some excellent information has been
coming out, including some people who have actually been writing
me from Ireland about when the IRA were performing some of the
car bombs there as well. And in some cases you are left in a
situation where basically you have nothing left of the car.
And in this case you have small, small, small fragments lying
towards the side of the buildings. I am not saying another type
of weapon was used as well to create this blast. But what I
am saying as well is that what we are seeing at this point there
must have definitely been some sort of surface blast, ie a car
bomb if you will. The question is could this have caused this
Dr. L-K: Exactly. But they need to camouflage
the whole thing. That is for sure.
Palmgren: So obviously much of this hopefully
will be revealed when we see some of the CCTV camera footage
as well, because there is loads there. But we will run through,
will continue to run through some of these inconsistencies in
the story and try to detail it. Should we move on to Utoya island,
Rauni or is there something more you want to mention about the
bombings right now?
Dr. L-K: No, I am fine.
Palmgren: So it took him quite a bit to drive
out to the island, obviously, and the stories that we have been
getting right now is that the main point obviously is that the
police have been criticized for taking up to 90 minutes to get
to the island while at the same time a media helicopter was
there before police filming this thing. Have you heard anything
about an explanation why it took so long for the police to get
Dr. L-K: No, not really, because I don't believe
what the police says, actually, because when people were trying
to call the police, the children, the teenagers at the island
had called their parents. Like one father was interviewed and
so the father called the police trying to tell them that, you
know, there is this bombing going on, and so the police refused
to take the announcement and said he would have to call themselves.
And then this was Oslo police, and this island belongs to the
area of Buskerud
area, and they didn't take any calls. People tried to call,
and they couldn't get to the police. So to me it seems the police
slowing up of the actionsis deliberate. That is what they have
done in these kinds of actions. It is like if you remember the
murder of Olof
Palme. It took a long, long time before the police comes.
So that is why people get confused, and the man who is shooting,
he gets more and more and more time. I don't think this was
a coincidence. And especially when the shooter was dressed in
a police uniform. They always use symbolism, which is incredible.
And of course the symbolism for a police uniform in my mind
is the state, you know, which is behind in a way.
Dr. L-K: Now this is just a false flag operation
in my mind.
Palmgren: The Norwegian police, the equivalent
to the Delta Team or whatever they call that, said that there
was no problem, no delay from their point of view in getting
-- they had a proper boat and everything was in order. It was
just they weren't called sooner to the location to get out there
and to get help.
Dr. L-K: So why did they refuse to take their
part of announcements?
Palmgren: That's right.
Dr. L-K: The children had to call.
Palmgren: That's right.
Dr. L-K: The police does not tell the truth.
Of course they can't tell the truth, that they were maybe involved
somehow, especially when eyewitnesses say there were more than
one who was shooting.
Palmgren: Right. Two shooters have been reported.
What do you make of this and what have you heard so far about
Dr. L-K: The same, the same.
Palmgren: Yes, yes.
Dr. L-K: The main thing is that the police
insist that there is only one, because there is only one theory,
which they always use. Like in Oklahoma, or wherever. There
is only one, because that is easy. That one who is a mind-controlled
patsy will admit anything he is programmed to say. And the others
are laid down. So things are not the way we are being told,
but luckily I think things are coming out. More and more people
are asking questions, but the thing is that the Norwegian people
are very unaware of these kinds of atrocities, and nobody can
believe that police would be against -- or police and the military
would be against their own people. I mean, this is atrocious.
They can't take that.
Palmgren: And also of course Rauni what this
would entail is obviously just what a few so-called right people
in the right places in order to prevent a time delay enough
in certain areas to make this, for the opeation to go through,
basically. But the eyewitnesses had some interesting stories,
obviously, about the two shooters, because obviously since they
heard gun shots from different places at the island basically
at the same time, then what I heard afterwards in hindsight,
because that is another problem here that we face as well, are
they piecing together this story for us afterwards? Should we
rely more on the stories directly after they come out? Obviously
we have to take into account the fact that these kids are traumatized.
Dr. L-K: For life.
Palmgren: They are scared witless. So how correct
is their memory, how correct is it going to be to be able to
listen to this? So I take that into account as well. I am not
jumping to conclusions here, but again one of the eyewitnesses
I heard in hindsight said that he had been told that the one
shooter had apparently taken off his police uniform at some
point, and jumped into a boat, driven around the island, jumped
back to the island, and now in a different outfit started shooting
at people there. That is why they got the impression there were
two shooters. And I could not help to think about the fact he
might have been told that afterwards by the police. At the same
time if that is what is really happening, this is a really well-slick
psychological way of doing it, if he is just one guy, right?
Dr. L-K: Right, but I don't believe in that.
I really don't. I think that he was really shooting, and if
there was another one he was also shooting. No, no, there are
so many things that are unanswered and of course it is speculation
from our part too. We were not there.
Palmgren: That is right.
Dr.L-K: But those who were there, they are
traumatized, but they do remember also. And if they are not
mind-controlled, you know if they are not being done electron
beam dissolution of the memory, which can be done to them too,
you know, so they don't remember. And when you are in terrible
shock, it may be that you don't remember things correctly.
Palmgren: That is right. Did you hear about
the other person that was shot in the, I think it was Sundeness,
a few days later there was apparently a break-in at a house
and one person was shot in the head basically at point blank
range. This obviously had been understandably buried in the
media because of all of this other activity. What if that was
the second shooter, right there, they would have taken him out.
Have you heard about this Rauni?
Dr. L-K: I heard of something like that. Something
only that someone was shot, but I didn't pay attention because
I didn't even think it would have any relevance to this thing.
Dr. L-K: It could be.
Palmgren: It could be, it could be.
Dr. L-K: It could be, hmmm. But we will never
get to find that truth out, if it is. I never thought he was
in contact with that, but we never know.
Palmgren: We never know. We don't know right
at the moment, anyway. Do you think that we can attribute some
of this to Scandinavian culture, Norwegian, Swedish culture,
or Finnish as well in that sense? If we look at the way things
have been handled there is a tendency to be maybe slightly slower
on these things. We don't have the preparedness that maybe other
countries have. People can't put this in the framework of we
acting like the United States or France or Germany or England
or something like that. There is a different speed to things
up here. And furthermore, the way that the material has been
released in the media has been showing the same signs of this
as well. If we were in Germany, France, the United States you
would perhaps see another drive from the journalists who in
many cases don't have government-funded papers and state-owned
television channels like we do here where basically we have
a set of journalists who are sitting around waiting for the
authorities to preapprove material that is released, if you
know what I mean.
Dr. L-K: Yes, but one thing that struck me
was that for three days, the PST, which is the civilian secret
police of Norway, did not react. And even Anne
Holt who is a criminal author, not criminal,
but I mean writing about criminal things.
Palmgren: That is right, yes.
Dr. L-K: And so she was for two months our
Justice Minister, until in my mind she was beamed to bleeding
so badly inside, because she tried to take an order for the
secret services and their criminality and their criminal actions
and whatever, and so she had to resign. So she came out now
and said that, just a minute, I am blocked, somebody doesn't
want me to say what she said! Yes, she was very much against,
or criticizing the PST,
the secret police, that they had not opened their mouth for
three days. And then it hit me why they hadn't said anything
-- anything. Whatever. And then Janne
Kristiansen, it is a lady who is the Chief of the Secret
Police now in Norway, she came out and she said that it is not
possible to prevent something like this unless the population
is micro-chipped. And then she added, but we don't yet think
that could be done. Will be done. Imagine! Imagine!! Now that
is something. So that is something that is coming, because that
is already planned in the United States. Obama's health law
which has not been accepted in the Senate as I have understood
yet, there as a first nation in the world, he says he does not
use the word "microchip." He uses another word, but
it is a microchip, that it will be compulsory for all Americans
to have a chip.
Palmgren: Some of the first experiments on
implants in this way was done in Sweden, I believe. I think
in that regards the Nordic countries might be a spearheading
of some of this, actually. What would you think?, Rauni?
Dr. R-K: Yes, that is true, because already
Olav Falmic? [sp? 29:40] gave
permission to people in prisons and in the old people's homes
in '73 I think it was. '72-72. And as I have understood, Norway
has many sleepers, and I call this serial killer a sleeper who
was awakened up. And how do they get them? Through vaccination.
You know, it is not a coincidence in my mind that Bill Gates
was here some time ago. And he wants the population to be microchipped
with vaccinations. He has said it officially. Also, George Soros
was here, and he is originally Hungarian. Illuminati of course.
He was here. And I was told from Denmark that Prime Minister
Stoltenberg had had a meeting in Switzerland with Fogh
Rasmussen NATO's chief, so some big things
have been sort of planned.
Palmgren: Yes, I mean even Alan Dershowitz
was in Norway recently too, speaking to the Chabad
community in Oslo, I think.
Dr. L-K: I don't know about that.
Palmgren: So this is interesting here we have
a situation also now then where the police are starting to,
today this was released, they are starting to confiscate all
the cell phones, I-pads, cameras, and what have you in order
to collect data on the accused movements on the island, which
also of course could be about deleting sensitive data as well,
about the second shooter, maybe, who knows? What do you think,
Dr. L-K: Well, they might find out some thing,
but today's paper, today VG
(Verdens Gang] said that now Norwegian people according to Gallup,
they want more severe punishments, and of course punishments
never work, I mean I don't care how big a punishment you have,
it does not prevent somebody who is criminal from doing it.
And they want more and more surveillance. And that is dangerous.
I think that is exactly what happened in the States after Sept
11th, you know, Patriot Act. People are willing to give out
their privacy just to get what they think is security from the
Palmgren: Yes, that is right. That's right.
Dr. L-K: And that is a big, big, big mistake.
And now it is big headlines in the paper today that people want
more surveillance. Miroivagne [sp? 32:11] like
they said. Now I think that is very, very dangerous, because
that means of course everybody, and that is what the chief of
the secret police was hinting to, that everybody should be micro-chipped.
That is how they can prevent things.
Palmgren: That's right.
Dr. L-K: Things are really going to be bad
if these things go as they had planned. And of course this is
part of the planning.
Palmgren: The police apparently knew the gunman's
name, as well. They called him out, and he basically surrendered
at that point. That's pretty interesting.
Dr. L-K: Yes, I heard that. But it has been
denied afterwards, so I do not know what the truth is. It was
announced, I think it was in England, what's his name, Snow
or something. The journalist who announced that. The police
called him by name. And afterwards, a day or two after, it was
announced that no, this was not true. Now that would be against
the police, if it was true. So they have to deny it. So I don't
know what the truth is.
Palmgren: Yep, that is right. It is muddy at
this point. I mean if that is the case, could that potentially
be attributed to real quick excellence in investigation on the
part of the fact that they immediately checked the CCTV security
camera, saw the license plate of the van, and checked out where
this came from, called or contacted the car rental company,
and they confirmed right away who actually had the lease to
them. Is that a possibility, do you think? Thats the way they
could have known his name.
Dr. L-K: I never thought of it so. That is
probably speculation, but why not?
Dr. L-K: But I never thought of it.
Palmgren: That is the only thing that would
explain to me, and again I am not putting it past anybody, of
course. I am not here to discount the way that things are happening,
or even the way it is unfolding, because again if we can still
go back of this idea, Rauni, that if he is a sleeper, if he
is a mind control agent, he might have pulled all this off himself,
and it does make sense. The timeline is there. It still implies
that someone else is behind his programming, if you know what
Dr. L-K: Absolutely. You don't program yourself,
and it takes years to program somebody. And who is doing the
programming, normally? It is very interesting that I heard that
our justice minister would have called and asked Mossad to come
here, I read that in fact a Mossad representative is coming
Dr. L-K: And then MI5 and CIA. Of course they
are always here, hidden, but I mean officially now. My question
is what are they doing here? Are not Norwegians good enough
to investigate by themselves? Or are they coming to investigate
the man, reprogramming him, or programming him, or what are
they doing, because they are experts. They are the ones who
are doing all these programmings. It was mentioned in the Internet
that, well, everything has been deleted about him on the Internet,
but something was added while he was in jail already, that on
the 23rd, something that he was the conservative Christian or
something like that.
Dr. R-K: And then they stated that he was --
I heard the conversation on the radio, by an expert -- that
he was many, many, many times, all the time looking at some
videos, and they called them war videos, and this expert said
no, it actually is not a war video, it is a video which has
a team, and then there is a hero in the team, like he would
be the hero of the team. But there is a team, absolutely a team,
and this video showed how a lonesome man goes to an island and
kills the people. And that was taken away. Because I do not
think that many people, even if they are ignorant, wouldn't
stop thinking "How is it possible that he looks like, you
know -- of course it is programming, programming, programming."
And of course there are other means how to do programming too.
And it takes years and years to make that much hate like he
has, and the question is, well, since he is very pro-Israel,
and anti-Muslim, so why didn't he attack a mosque?
Palmgren: Absolutely. The first question right
Dr. L-K: Why did he attack white youths?
Palmgren: Exactly. I mean, OK, you know he
is a political leftist at the root of the problem here, but
still it doesn't make sense. And I wonder, will detail with
you later on in terms of the inconsistencies of his manifesto,
if that is even written by him. We don't know at this point,
and I would suggest that it is not, just looking at it.
Dr. L-K: Yes, I agree with you.
Palmgren: This whole thing might be just a
concoction, if you will, but the question here obviously is
the muddy paths of Anders Behring Breivik, as the media now
obviously understandably begin to plaster his whole life and
detail, every aspect of his background in the media as if in
an effort to try to understand what triggered him to do this,
and what some of the points are here that might have caused
these things to stir up in him. But a little bit more here first
on the island. I wanted to ask you about this too, because let's
see here, if we look at the gun laws in Norway, if the security
guard that was there, and interestingly this was Trond
Berntsen, the step brother of Norway's Crown Princess, Mette-Marit.
Dr. L-K: Step brother, yes.
Palmgren: And if he had had a gun, because
he was there as a security guard. He used to be there as a police
as well. He could actually have prevented this whole thing.
Not the whole thing, but at least all the shootings on the island
from happening. And now of course, Rauni, turning this against
on the flip side and saying, see how bad guns are. See what
they can do, what damage they can do.
Dr. L-K: Exactly.
Palmgren: What if you reverse the situation
and say things like, "No, actually if you outlaw guns then
only outlaws are the ones who are going to have the guns. If
you know what I mean?
Dr. L-K: Exactly, but that is the aim in the
States, also in Finland with the gun laws. Because that is the
number one aim, to take away all the guns from the civilians
so that nobody can protect themselves against government terrorism
if that is coming. And like in Finland we had this, I would
say this proof of it, because when we had this school shooting,
the first one, the next day, the NATO Chief came, they are trying
to push us into NATO, but the people don't want to. We don't
want to go under American control. And then they wanted us to
change the gun laws. And they only change it very, very little,
because we had said no to Finland to changing gun laws. And
so in the European Union it is no, if a country says no, it
is no. So they had to do something. Then came one year after
the other shooting because we didn't do enough. Now they have
really restricted the gun laws.
Dr. L-K: I think it is two years you have to
go to a shooting school or whatever. So there is always that
behind it. Take away guns from the civilians so that they cannot
Palmgren: I think that one law was already
passed, I think it was in Australia, maybe New Zealand because
of the Norway shooting, and they forced in some kind of ban
I think on semi-automatics, or something like that. So we can
see that this has effects worldwide. And that is why it is so
interesting with this story why this guy Anders Breivik, who
had this pen name or whatever as this Andrew Berwick, that he
wrote everything in English. Everything was targeted towards
the international world if you will as well. It was very, very
calculated, if nothing else.
Dr. L-K: That's right. Well he is a Mason also,
and then it was a thing how can you be a Mason and a nationalist?
Dr. L-K: Because Masons are international,
but of course this is international now, the whole thing.
Palmgren: Well to me, I mean again he is now
kind of turning into some kind of enigma. I would say as a recent
guest brought up, it is a Gordian Knot. This is something that
people will be analyzing for decades to come, as people are
beginning to look at his manifesto and try to weave out and
understand his psyche, and how things are, because there is
nothing logical if you begin to deconstruct the reasoning. Both
that is within the manifesto, his actions, and the consequences
now that this is going to have. I am not saying that we are
dealing with a rational person of course, but some commentators
out there have pointed out that he is a brilliant strategist
and things like that, and that does not make sense. So what
I wanted to ask you more about though before we leave the island
portion of this is some witnesses have reported that he was
talking into a headset at some point.
Dr L-K: Right, I have heard the same. Like
saying that someone was giving him instructions and he was talking,
Dr. L-K: That's right. But you don't need a
headset, actually, because if you are mindcontrolled you need
just a chip, and that doesn't show, and you don't even need
a chip. You can be mind-controlled without, but especially when
he had his earphones. So then that shows that there is something
very, very wrong. Somebody was steering him officially. But
it has also been stated that he has a different personalities,
which always is done with mind control. You know they change
your personality. You can be A, B, C , whatever, and they are
totally different. His school mates said that at school time
he was very helpsome and helped others who were not so good,
etc. so he was a good guy. And now he is a monster, so that
is what they can do with mind control. They can do it with anybody.
To you and me and whoever. It takes time, and it takes time,
many years of programming the frequency of hate, hate, hate,
Palmgren: How do you, if we can begin to talk
about this more about this specifically, and there must be something
on this but there must be something in this in his past that
suggests that he got into the hands of some of the people who
would do this, right? I mean how do you think he ended up in
the situation he did then if you look at it from the point of
view that he was mind-controlled, Rauni?
Dr. L-K: Well he also lived in the states.
That is one reason. And his father was a diplomat. And I think
that many exchange students who go to the States, they may be
microchipped without their knowledge, and then activated later.
I know of some cases in Finland. So you can't say where did
this happen. But in the past years it is clear that it has been
programming, programming, programming. And they have succeeded,
but the thing is that they do not succeed if the truth comes
out to the general public.
Palmgren: That's right.
Dr. L-K: That he is not alone, that he has
been programmed. Because all these serial killers who are mind-controlled,
they are actually victims themselves. They are robots. No feelings.
No remorse. And they have been programmed like that, so they
are victims even if they are killed. And this doesn't come out
very often. Everybody just hates them. He is a victim.
Palmgren: Absolutely. I wouldn't put it past
some elements within Norway of possibly doing this themselves.
We detailed a while back here because of the shootings and the
bombing here about some of Norway's hidden history, if you will,
where experiments that were made on children, subjected to LSD.
Dr. L-K: Right.
Palmgren: Even sexually abused. And this was
specifically against the German-Norwegian, you know, those who
had relations and had children. And they were being looked upon
as being basically the shame of the nation, right? Have you
heard about this?
Dr. L-K: Yes, yes. Definitely, and there was
even a government committee. I was expert for one hour. I told
what I knew about it because that was in 2003 the report came
out, and it was about the psychiatric abuse before 1975. And
because it is a government committe, of course, what they did,
they did not want out that there has been abuse. On the contrary.
Again, upside down. Officially they tried to dig into the abuse,
but unofficially they have to prove there is no abuse. So that
was the conclusion of the committee, but you know with the last
few pages, I put them into my last book, Chuteraden (sp? 45:15]
it is about these abuses, and mind-control with the Norwegians,
and that is the experiments that were done by Dr. Semyabesin
(spelling?) with American military, with NASA, with
Navy, with all American funding on American people like the
divers who were implanted with electrodes and 18 of them have
commited suicide and they are trying to get some compensation.
They didn't get it.
Palmgren: That's right. They were denied.
Dr. L-K: That's right, so now they are in Strasberg,
and I doubt they will get anything there either. So this is
part of Norwegian history. This is abuse of certain elements
in the society. And like I said, you know, with Bill Gates here
and with swine flu, which had a microchip and all that, I am
sure we have a lot, a lot of sleepers.
Palmgren: Well of course we are not implying
that the methods that was used, again we are talking about things
that are after World War II on some of these children. We are
talking about the 50's and 60's. That is a long time ago. The
technology has obviously advanced on that point.
Palmgren: That's right, its microchips. And
the point here being that again, if you look into what is called
Norway's Lebensborn, and Lebensborn comes out of Heinrich Himler's
idea of a eugenics program basically, one of them who were abused
said that many of the Lebensborn children claimed that they
were sexually abused, beaten, mass-raped, urinated on, washed
in chemicals, and also this report then suggests that they have
been subjected to experiments with LSD, and for anyone who looks
into the MK Ultra program, mind-control program, knows about
the ties to the LSD in the experiments.
Dr. L-K Yes. That is right.
Palmgren: So that is one thing to keep in mind.
Implying basically that this is the history. What is saying
that these programs have ended, and we might have a similar
situation. You said that, I am just going over to the States,
I read yesterday I think it was that apparently he had plastic
surgery done on him? Did you hear about that?
Dr. L-K: I have heard that, but I don't know
if it is true.
Palmgren: That is kind of strange. In one way.
Dr. L-K: He is a good-looking guy. So, but
mind you, the first day after this incident, so Dagbladet,
the daily newspaper here, printed his picture, and in that picture
his face, it was big. There were two white pixels in his eyes,
like microchips. Now I don't know if that was done graphically,
or if it really was there, but I thought that somebody wants
us to see that hey, he was microchipped. And interestingly,
I referred to it because also the article said that he was a
33rd degree Mason, etc. That newspaper has been stolen from
me. I was going to take it here and read some parts of it to
you, but it is gone.
Palmgren: Do you recall what parts?
Dr. L-K: It was the day after, which is the
23rd. The 23rd of July.
Palmgren: He apparently went to England and
obviously he looked into the Knights Templar, and if we go back
to that idea that is pretty interesting to me as well that he
dressed up as a freemason, he had some kind of military outfit
with all the medals on it.
Dr. L-K: Right.
Palmgren: He was dressing up in some kind of
biohazard suit, or something like that as well. It is almost
like he is dressing up in these different costumes, in one way
to whet the appetite of other conspiracy theories out there.
Because on the first level it is incredible that some media
that did not report on the fact that he was dressing up in a
Freemasonic garb. I think what I have read is that primarily
the British newspapers, and some of the CNN articles I read
in support said that instead of a freemasonic suit, they said
a proper suit, or something like that.
Dr. L-K: Oh really?
Palmgren: Yes, and so they refused to
Dr. L-K: And it was even on the Internet with
his leather square apron for the Masons that I saw a picture
Palmgren: Absolutely, and the thing again is
he included these images at the end of the manifesto.
Dr. L-K: Right.
Palmgren: And this is where he got this from.
Obviously if you look at the pictures, that they have been photoshopped.
He said this himself that in his manifesto that he has been
cropping out himself, basically, from the background, and he
tried to make it look nice, but it is ready to make for the
media to just use the Wizard tool in photoshop and grab him
out and put him in whatever situation they want, basically.
It is something weird with him. Why would he include these images
of himself at the end. Look, I am a Templar. Look, I am a Freemason.
Isn't that strange to you, Rauni?
Dr. L-K: Yes, that is strange. I don't know
about his psyche. I heard a radio psychiatrist, whom I have
met once in a meeting with the justice minister and police department,
she was talking about psychiatric cases and I got up and I opposed
her and said why don't you make any differential diagnoses to
psychologists and mind control. Why don't you even consider
that mind control exists? So the speaker in the congress said,
he stopped me from talking and said, "You can talk about
these details later. Now the same psychiatrist now has stated
that she doesn't think he is psychotic. Just recently. Because
his attorney is saying that he is psychotic and he is mentally
ill and whatever, and of course the attorney tries to help him
or whatever out of the case, which will be impossible. But not
a word of mind-control. Nobody in this whole affair has said
the word "mind control" except me. Not a word. And
that is a word that is forbidden to say in psychiatry. They
really don't want people to know. And that is very interesting.
Palmgren: It doesn't exist to most people,
that is the relationship.
Dr. L-K: But officially mind control is a non-lethal
weapon in the military. I mean you can just blab that out to
Dr. L-K: It is a non-lethal weapon in the military,
so why do you say it doesn't exist.
Palmgren: That's right
Dr. L-K: And it has been taken 2002 in Geneva
United Nations Institute for Research to stop rearmament.
It included mind control as a weapon of mass destruction just
like an atomic bomb. So it is real. But people don't
know about it, and they don't want to know about it. It is so
horrific that they can change your attitudes, they can read
your thought signals, they can make your love into hate, they
can make it if you are a leftist a rightist, they can make you
if you are a heterosexual to a homosexual. They can change your
sexuality. They can do just about anything with mind-control,
and that is so devastating that people say "No, no, no,
it doesn't exist, I don't want to hear about it."
Palmgren: That is very, very interesting that
you mention that because consequently as people have been digging
into this, Ander's past, it seems to be like there is a multiple
personality contained within there. Aparently he was photographed
at a gay pride rally in 2004 in Oslo. I mean does that imply
that they were trying out potentially to change his sexuality
or turn him homosexual a little bit, just as you suggested?
I don't know, I am just putting it out there. And his stance,
political-wise, of this back and forth all the time. Of his
witnessing in Rena, the city where he lived.
Apparently he went to a Muslim-owned restaurant and ate there,
and they said that he was very friendly all the time, and no
problems. They said he was one of the nicest customers that
they had. And then the other day he is a Muslim-hater. You know
what I mean, the more you begin to analyze --
Dr. L-K: They can turn you into anything.
Palmgren: That is right. The more you begin
to analyze his personality behind there, it doesn't make sense.
Go ahead, Rauni.
Dr. L-K: No, no, I just say that is so scary technology, that
I can understand people who don't want to hear about it, but
then they are putting their head in the sand because I am always
saying "You want this to be done to your children?"
It can be done. And they just don't want to know. And like I
said, now when the chief of the secret police says that the
only way to prevent these kinds of things is to microchip the
general population, so that is like she said, not yet. She said,
Palmgren: Not yet.
Dr. L-K: That is very, very scary. We are all
robots, and they can do anything. They can change your feelings
and sexuality and whatever.
Palmgren:The lawyer Geir Lippestad, a Labor
Party lawyer apparently, why do you think?
Dr. L-K: I don't know. I am totally nonpolitical,
so I don't follow.
Palmgren: No, I have been reading that was
one of the first things that was pointed out, that he was a
member of the Labor Party, and why would Anders choose that
if that is what he considers to be his enemies? Is that a strategy?
Do you think there is something else behind it, or why? It doesn't
Dr. L-K: I don't know, but remember everything
is upside down. Everything.
Palmgren: Yes, it sure seems like it. And of
course one thing that has not at all been debated by the media
that you brought up before, Rauni, is his pro-Zionist stance
Dr. L-K: Oh yes, he is pro-Israel. Absolutely.
Palmgren: Absolutely. Exactly.
Dr. L-K: There is no doubt about it.
Palmgren: But now he has been turned into a
right wing Nazi or you know what have you. It feels like everybody
is looking at this through the manifesto and trying to find
their piece of evidence for whatever they don't happen to like
personally and project this on to Anders Breivik. You know what
I mean. He is like a persona for everyone to hate. If you know
what I mean.
Dr. L-K: But they don't use the word "Nazi."
I don't know why, but they seem to avoid that. Maybe that has
a bad cling. But it was interesting the video was released by
the Department of Homeland Security 24 hours earlier where they
said that the type of person they feared most who would carry
out such an attack would be just a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed,
like the Norwegian.
Palmgren: That's right.
Dr. L-K: So they have shifted their enemy picture
which has been Muslims and terrorists, which almost is the same
for the general public, into this blond, blue-eyed right wing
It has been a rise of the right wing in Europe and I think there
have been, you know, credible points, real concern raised about
the way that European society is being turned in terms of multiculturalism.
Obviously a thing like this will totally destroy any kind of
rational debate about these issues now. Right, Rauni?
Dr. L-K: Well, at least it has a -- of course
the change in my mind in Norwegian society was towards Muslims,
because when it was not yet announced that it was this white
blue-eyed Norwegian, people thought immediately -- I did too,
I thought, "Oh, it had to be a Muslim terrorist or something"
when the buildings were collapsing. Then it came out later of
course on the island who he was. Even in the streets of Oslo,
it was stated that some people had attacked Muslims, and a lady
Muslim, she was saying that she was verbally attacked. And then
of course when it came out that this is a Norwegian guy, so
you know then all this hatred towards Muslims has disappeared
at least officially. It is not in the mass media ever, and I
am thinking Norway has been more talk about this Muslim conflict
with native Norwegians, at least than in Finland. We don't seem
to have that much of a problem with the Muslims as they seem
to have here. But now it is gone, and one good thing about this
is of course the change of attitude, how people started being
very loveable to each other. How people started hugging each
other in the streets and crying together and it is a total shock.
They still are in a way. But on the other hand when you think
that they are gathering together about 200,000 people marching
in Oslo, having roses in their hands, it is beautiful, and it
is a very strong feeling of unity. But when you think that those
behind who have planned all these things, they always use symbolism.
So the symbolism of the rose has many symbols. One of them is
Labor Party. But so-called subrosa, which is a special kind
of, how would I say it, under rose, a word they use which they
use when they are doing covert operations.
Palmgren: Under the rose.
Dr. L-K: Under the rose. Especially with the
Secret Services. And I froze when I heard about this, and I
said, "Good Lord, 200 people under the rose, putting up
their hand, and holding the rose, which is beautiful.
Palmgren: Absolutely, absolutely.
Dr. L-K: And they definitely did not know that
the Secret Services have maybe something else in their mind
when they were asked by a rose or they were given free roses
Palmgren: This is all very symbolic, just as
you point out.
Dr. L-K: Exactly.
Palmgren: This goes back to the British. It
denotes secrecy, confidentiality, and it is also similar to
House Rule, we are talking about the Royal Institute of
International Affairs. We are back to MI5, MI6, you know things
like this right now. Being under the rose, the rose wars that
happened over in Britain as well.
Dr. L-K: That is right.
Palmgren: And that is also why I believe a
lot of these connections right away, Rauni, in the media are
pointing towards Britain, right away. And England was drawn
into this quicker than any other country in terms of beginning
to look at the ADL who was also heavily infiltrated by MI5 and
MI6 as well. Very, very interesting to me. Very interesting.
Dr. L-K: Well, also Hungarians have this subrose
connection, which is dealing to conspiracy. And I don't think
it was a coincidence that George Soros was here, and he is originally
Hungarian. So again, maybe I am going too far. But it just struck
me that, hey wait a minute, there is a connection, possibly,
and there is also a connection with "subrosa" to the
comet which they are predicting will come and hit the earth
soon. Well personally I don't think any comet or astroid is
doing that, but we can arrange for it like what Reagan said,
we can arrange [borgatsul? unintelligible
4:32] when they were talking about Star Wars,
and now it seems that since NASA has given officially warning,
I read on the Internet to its employees about dates for disaster
preparedness, telling them what dates they really can expect
something, so they should have preparedness, you know water,
batteries, and torches and whatever. And the date was 27 September,
the first one, then it was 17th of October, then it was 5th
of November, 23rd of November, and 21st of December. And I wonder
how is it possible that NASA gives warnings by dates unless
it is not himself arranging these things. If something falls
from the skies, we can't tell the dates so exactly. So anyway
people should be prepared. If nothing happens, good. If it does,
Palmgren: Yes, absolutely. I am trying to keep
all my thoughts in my head here as we go through this. There
are just so many inconsistencies, so many things that we should
highlight. Let's just talk a little bit more about when we are
on the topic of symbolism then. July 22nd, the King David Hotel
bombing was an attack carried out by the militant right wing
Zionist, underground organization, Irgun, on the King David
Hotel in Jerusalem on July 22, 1946. So we are talking about
exactly 65 years later, Rauni, and there is more to this story
obviously, because again, just as you said, the foreign minister
Jonas Gahr Store was on Utoya the day before, July 21st, when
you know there was a pro-Palestine rally being held there. And
also on July 18th Norway was basically ready to recognize the
Palestinian state. And there is another connection in terms
of how some of the oil contracts or an oil fund I think was
cut off to Israel. What do you think we are looking at there,
is there any symbolism. You mentioned Mossad before, could this
be some kind of retaliation? We can go back even to the Oslo
accords, right Rauni, let's talk about that. The importance
Dr. L-K: Well at least I say that , I notice
that they always use symbolism, and they always use numbers.
Number 22 is often used by the military. Often military intelligence,
that means the secret services. You said number 21, that is
2 plus 1 is 3, that is a very, very number one symbol in my
mind. So they always do things at certain times. Timing is extremely
important, and this blast was about 15:30, 15:26, 15:20 -- there
are different, you know, numbers given in the press.
Palmgren: ...Numbers are analyzed. Number of
Dr. L-K: But 15 is 5 plus one is 6 again, and
33 again, or if it is 2 plus 26 minutes after, so that too.
They are using the numbers that have been associated with their
own secret code. So that people who sort of know about these
codes, they know. "Ah! this is an operation" for them.
But of course a majority, I would say 99% of the people, don't
know anything about these codes.
Palmgren: No, no, of course not. We detail
there with another guest Richard
Hoagland recently here about how the Sun
entered Leo and astrological significance on that on the 22nd.
We also talked there about the connection to September 11th,
and again if we put this in hindsight or in perspective, I want
to bring up, for instance, the Swedish social democratic politician
Anna Lindh, who was murdered over here on, actually she died
on September 11, 2003. She was actually stabbed on the 10th,
the evening I think before. This very, very interesting character
Mijailovic was basically stating, and this is up front, it is
in the BBC, he was hearing voices in his head. He had nothing
personal against Anna Lindh, he just couldn't stop hearing these
voices. And he went out that day with a knife in his hand feeling
threatened, and basically when he saw her, he started stabbing
her, basically. Mind-control. Obviously mind control.
Dr. L-K: Absolutely. A total mind-controlled
Palmgren: She was very, very much obviously,
what I want to connect this with, very much a supporter of the
Palestinian state as well. She was highly critical of Israel.
She was destined I think to rise to the position of becoming
Prime Minister in Sweden. And she was taken out. That is just
the way it is.
Dr. L-K: That's right. That's right. Add numbers
again so the 22nd of July now, so 2, 2, 7, what is that, that
is 11. And this year is the 11. So it is 11-11. It is very interesting.
Palmgren: It is all very interesting.
Dr. L-K: They always use the numbers first
and the codes and the colors. So there is much, much, more than
people know about it. And it was interesting that I just read
on the Internet, that the Russian FSB , Federal Security Service,
which was KGB, has been stating that Nels Stoltenberg, the Norwegian
Prime Minister, two days (number 2 code), they put in an urgent
call to Putin, begging Russia's leader to help stop the events
that left almost a hundred innocent civilians dead. Now if this
is true, that is big news. Because then he knew. But he couldn't
do anything, because like the Army said, when I was saying to
somebody he could have alerted the Army and then evacuated the
island, but probably did not know about details. And the Army
[Sverre] Diesen who is no more chief, but
he went on pension some time ago, so he said the Army could
not have done anything or prevented anything. And again if you
think that the attack against the government buildings, if you
think it came from the skies, well of course you can't predict,
especially when you don't have any planes here yourself. But
this article [Editor's Note: Norway
Premier “Begged” Putin To Stop Massacre Planned
By “Elites”] which was printed in the
Europeantimes.net and I don't know the real background. It says
something "whatdoesitmean.com." It has given this
information, what FSB has been saying, so they say that the
FSB further reports that this false flag attack on Norway was
a clear textbook example of an Operation Northwoods designed
and prepared by U.S. military experts. And Operation Northwoods
was a series of false flag proposals that originated within
the United States goverrnment in 1962. The proposals called
for the CIA or other operatives to commit acts of terrorism
in U.S. cities and elsewhere and this is important "in
order to influence public opinion and had been used in many
Western governments over the past five decades." They had
been used in Turkey and Indonesia. They had been used all over.
And then it continues:
experts note in this report that the false-flag attacks on
Norway further mirror those of Oklahoma City and Port Arthur
in: 1.) A large vehicle holding a powerful
fertilizer bomb was able to gain undetected entrance to
a protected government centre; 2.) The armed police response
to an ongoing massacre of civilians was
delayed for reasons still not explained; 3.) A lone suspect
has been indentified as the sole perpetrator of the attacks
to witness statements that more people were involved;
4.) The lone suspect is denied
the right to an open hearing before the public."
report also notes that within hours of these attacks occurring,
a “virtual flood” of information relating to the
suspected mastermind of this massacre was released indentifying
him as a “blond-haired blue-eyed” Norwegian...
mean this, you know, makes you sort of breath deeply.
Palmgren: Yes, yes, I have my questions about
whatdoesitmean.com. I am trying to find the call there, on the
source article, the urgent call to Putin there, discussing the
energy, the Russian-Norwegian energy corporation that they were
discussing at this point. I am going to link that story up so
that people can read that story for themselves and take a look
at some of those links there as well.
Dr. L-K: At the end it says that two of the
reasons behind this attack, this FSB report states it is a desperate
attempt by British European Union and American banking interests
to force Norway into their union. The European Union, which
Norway is not a member, in order to loot their sovereign wealth
fund of its estimated $1.5 trillion in wealth, which without
the entire Western Economy may collapse. Important note, the
FSB says, is that what is being done to Norway has already been
done to Libya in what is now called the financial heist of the
century. These same elites launched an unprovoked attack upon
this North Africa nation and promptly looted it of nearly a
150 billion dollars of its sovereign wealth fund in order to
sustain their crumbling empire. That is pretty heavy.
Palmgren: It reads right. I'll put it that
Dr. L-K: Exactly.
Palmgren: It reads right in the sense that
it is understandable why the powers that be would be interested
at this point to get Norway into the European Union and transfer
more of their funds obviously into the coffers of the failing
empire that they are trying to build right now. But still though
there must be an interface here between the threats, if you
will then, from let us take this into account the suggestion
that this is the international community if you wil on one level
threatening Norway. "Look at what we can do, basically,"
say. But there must be a communication at some point suggesting
"We were behind this, and if you don't comply, it is going
to happen again." Would this be taken to Stoltenberg you
think or anyone else within Norway.
Dr. L-K: I have no idea, but I am sure these
kinds of actions are going to increase. Because so far nobody
has been taken for September 11th except patsies of course.
Patsies, but those who are behind, they are never taken. So
why wouldn't they continue, because they are never taken. There
are patsies out there. Patsies are condemned, but not those
who plan. And if you think, when I was in this nonlethal weapons
conference a couple of years ago in Germany, Etlinger [spelling?
16:11], when this American colonel demonstrated by saying, "Everybody
says, `Who are they, and who are they who are doing all these
things?'" So he drew a square with his finger into the
air, and he said in the middle of the square there is a symbol
of a New World Order. On the side there is the symbol of the
Illuminati with the Star of David, and on the other side there
is CIA, FBI, and British Intelligence. "They" are
they. So how do you stop atrocities which definitely
are done in the whole world by the secret services? I mean you
can't stop them unless there is a total change in the whole
world, and maybe the change comes through tremendous catastrophes,
that all our normal systems will collapse, and then of course
the secret service systems will also collapse. But that could
be arranged. I mean maybe that happens this fall or next year
or whatever. But something is being planned which is very, very
big. And of course those who survive, they have changed their
attitude like the people in Norway have now changed their attitude,
and there is a lot of love going around, which is very great,
understanding, love and compassion towards other people. This
did not exist before.
Palmgren: You pointed out an interesting thing
in terms of his motive is to, if we look at what he says and
the official version, the manifesto, etc. his attitude towards
multiculturalism and so forth as well, if he is the brilliant
strategist that he is, he must have understood that of course,
that these victims, the people he killed, are going to be turned
into martyrs for the cause. It will be turned into a political
agenda. They will be used politically now. And as you pointed
out Rauni, the Labor Party now has had a tremendous spike in
support, and people who were on the fence about this before
has now rallied behind them, and it has given even more energy
in the opposite direction than he wanted to. If he was smart,
he should have seen that coming, right?
Dr. L-K: I don't think he planned this. I said
he is mind-controlled and he does what the planners want. And
the planners wanted this result. The Labor Party had a 28.9%
before this, and now it has 38.7%, so over 10% in just a few
Palmgren: It is incredible.
Dr. L-K: So I don't think he planned anything.
He is a patsy, he is a robot, and he does exactly as he is being
told straight into his brain.
Palmgren: OK, so if that is the case, that
means that those who would like to see that, this particular
government to remain in office in Norway, are they to be blamed?
Are they the one behind it?
Dr. L-K: I would not blame anybody because
I do not know. But those who planned it, they should be blamed.
They have different agendas, you know like taking away the weapons,
and taking away the privacy of people, maybe microchipping all
that. They have very different agendas. And this probably is
one of them. To keep the Labor Party on stage, because it was
going down. And the popularity of Prime Minister Stoltenberg
was going down. Now it is up to the highest 92%.
Dr. L-K: So, you know, something has happened.
Dr. L-K: It must be in the agenda, that this
is a way, how you can change people's attitudes and minds. And
of course it works. It is psychological warfare at the same
Palmgren: That's right, and again I also see
playing into this the furtherance of, basically stifling criticism
of things, that basically whatever he wrote about in the Manifesto
that he was for or against, is going to be used in the 180 degree
Dr. L-K: Oh, absolutely.
Palmgren: So if he is critical of the European
Union, "Yay! Let's go European Union!" You know. If
he is against multi-culturalism, "Yay! Let's go multiculturalism!"
You see what I mean? An 180 degree emotional turn that is happening
right now, and I found that interesting because I question whether
he even wrote the manifesto at all. People are looking at this
now as the Bible, into the psyche if you will of this man. I
mean he borrowed parts from the Unibomber, we know that. He
was another LSD-mind-controlled individual, basically, but how
do we know that he wrote the manifesto?
Dr. L-K: I don't think he did. But we will
never find out until the whole thing breaks down. When the whole
scenario some day is going to come out. Like, truth always comes
out at the end, but it might take years. I don't think that
it comes out very soon. On the political level it will take
decades before things come out. I mean offiically September
11th is still in the official version. And it was 2001. So you
know a lot of people know that the official version is false.
But still the official version still stands.
Palmgren: Well history and truth is not the
same thing, obviously.
Dr. L-K: Yes, right. It depends on who reads
Palmgren: And it depends on who writes it.
Palmgren: He seemed like he was military-trained.
Some people reported about him going over and in very cold,
very calm, I mean think about that. 69 people then I think I
am told he shot on the island. Walking around, some of them
he walked over, and apparently shot them twice in the
back. Just moved on to the next person, and in some regards
called them towards him, because he was in his police uniform.
"Hey come here because I am here to help you." That
is not a normal psyche. It has been claimed he was taking some
kind of drug, there were some other things involved here as
well. Still, that is not a normal psyche, right Rauni?.
Dr. L-K: It is a mind-controlled psyche, and
drugs is always a camouflage. Always they say that somebody
was on psychiatric drugs, and then that gives an explanation
why they behave the way they do. But one word, mind-control.
It explains the whole thing. Everything what he did, everything
what he said, how he behaved and how he behaves now. His own
father, according to papers, they have not met in 16 years,
is a diplomat living abroad, had said that if he had only shot
himself instead of all the others, and the mother is in hiding
Palmgren: Yes, well understandably. His dad
pointed out in that regard something interesting, if you will,
Rauni,because many of the other shooters, specifically school
shooters and others as well, including the ones in Finland,
they ended up shooting themselves afterwards.
Dr. L-K: That is Delta programming. This guy
did not have Delta programming, because I told you, they need
him. They need him to confess that he did the government buildings,
and he has done that officially, and now they have postponed
the real court case until next year.
Palmgren: Isn't that incredible. The media
is going to milk this thing now.
Dr. L-K: Exactly. And traumatize the Norwegian
people more and more and more.
Palmgren: And the rest of the European people
too. Here in Sweden and other countries as well, it is just
trickling on down, but they --
Dr. L-K: It is psychological warfare. And it
has an effect. I mean, they know what they are doing. It is
to scare, to make people just not feel safe. And so when they
don't feel safe, they go to authorities to do something, do
something, and OK, more and more surveillance, more and more
restriction of your civil liberties. And they do not understand
that this is the aim. They go into [unintelligilble-24:29] --
they fall into the trap which these who have planned all of
this have made in the first place. And they always, always use
the same scenario, because it works. Why would they change it?
It works in every country. In every day. And people don't know
and people don't understand, and people don't want to think
that their own authorities could somehow not want to support
Palmgren: It is the most horrible thing ever,
and if you admit this, your world will fall to pieces under
your feet, basically, and yes, that is the way it is. This is
the true root of terrorism, in that sense, of subjugating a
people, a population. And it has been going on for thousands
of years in different ways. Look at the history of religion.
Look at how all of this has been to basically subjugate the
people under the arm of the powers that be, basically. This
is business as usual, as Jordan Maxwell would say.
Dr.L-K: That's right, but because we live in
a global world it is the globalists that rule the world. And
there are many, many people in Scandinavian countries who I
think are pretty naive in many ways.
Palmgren: Oh, yes.
Dr. L-K: So we think that our government and
our prime minister, or our president has something to say. Officially,
yes, but unofficially they do as they are being told.
Palmgren: That's right, and the people -- sorry
-- go ahead Rauni,
Dr. L-K: I just thought that was maybe why
the secret police of Norway, the civilian police were silent
for three days waiting for instructions, what to say.
Palmgren: Well exactly, and that goes back
to the point that I was making earlier about Scandinavian culture.
It is a very, very subjugated attitude, waiting for the authorities
to pre-approve things before we open our mouths.
Dr. L-K: Right
Palmgren: And this goes down to the level of
police as well. It is very hesitant, very, very hush, hush,
putting the lid on right away. Why do they put this guy in a
closed hearing? I understand the emotional trauma of this situation.
I do understand that. But at the same time if this society is
being heralded as an open society, isn't this in these kinds
of situations where it is especially important to open it up
-- and air out the dirty laundry, if you know what I mean Rauni,
so everybody can try to understand why this happened, by putting
the lid on, hushing this up, and silence it further, that is
not going to help. They are going to put this guy four weeks
in isolation now. What is going to happen during that time?
Dr. L-K: Well I am sure that they are doing
programming or reprogramming, you know, doing whatever, with
him. And the thing why they don't want the open hearing, like
they said, was that because in the manifesto, he has threatened
that he is going to in the court cases, he is going to reveal
everything, and he is going to put further his message, etc.
So they stopped that. Of course that is not the cause. The cause
is that he might say something, the people will wake up. Of
Palmgren: What will that be, do you think?
Would wake up?
Dr. L-K: Maybe he could, sometimes they remember.
He could remember his programming. Sometimes they break. The
programming may break.
Dr. L-K: And then he may say something which
he shouldn't have said to the general public, or something.
That must be the real reason. The public must not know the real
things that are happening, because it is like the code of silence.
When we talked about symbolism and roses, I just heard about
the Greek god who was so-called god of silence. And he was represented
as a naked youth. Finger over his mouth, and a hieroglyph of
a child is youth. So you know again, symbolism. Code of silence,
and this is used by the secret services. I mean it is so your
hair stands up when you start digging into this, it is like
going into the, what do you call it, the books that were written
Palmgren: What book are you thinking about?
Dr. L-K: About Dan, what is his name?
Palmgren: Dan Brown?
Dr. L-K: Yes. He puts symbolism all over. On
statues and on names or whatever. And this is what they are
using. I mean, if a Greek god is a god of silence and secrecy,
which was represented as naked youth, and the secret services
use that. So there is something occult there again. But maybe
that goes too far. It is like Don Brown, digging, digging into
more and more, you find out more and more.
Palmgren: Brown obviously has borrowed a lot
of material from other authors that are not into fiction out
there. And we know that now, we have had other guests on the
program like Christopher Knight, a Freemason as well, and he
understands some of the symbolism that is involved in this and
timing as well.
Dr. L-K: Timing is everything, and who benefits.
When you answer those two questions in any terror attacks, then
you know. Why was timing now? Well, first of all it is summer,
and people are on vacation. So that is the excuse for why police
and a helicopter could not go. Because the two pilots were on
vacation. And also people because they are on vacation or the
time of the office hours was just about over. And in September
there are elections and this thing does have a tremendous effect
on the elections. And then, who benefits? That is the question,
who is behind it?
Palmgren: Bohemian Grove, apparently ongoing.
People I think have mentioned the cremation of care festivities
if you will happened on July 22nd. Have you heard about that?
Dr. L-K: No, no, I haven't. July 27th is an
Palmgren: 22nd, yes?
Dr. L-K: July 22nd, yes. I mean, like I said
it is 11 now this year. 2 plus 2 plus 7 is, you know, .
Palmgren: What do you think of this strange
reporting that a lot of the youth on the island, because I was
thinking about the symbolism again, that were taking off their
clothes. There were piles of their clothes lying around, and
obviously this was because they wanted to swim away from the
island, but I am just questioning tof how you reason at that
point, "OK, I am going to jump in the water because I have
a gunman chasing me, but I am going to take off my clothes first?"
Dr. L-K: Well I did see some semi-naked youths,
pictures of them, they were hiding somewhere. Also I heard that
some people were almost drowning, because their clothes were
so heavy, in the water, so that makes sense that you would take
away, you know, and jump-in. I don't think there is anything
else behind it. I don't know, I don't know. But this god of
silence talks about naked youth.
Palmgren: Well exactly. That is what is so
Dr. L-K: Code of silence and secrecy. So I
don't know if there is a connection, but it is strange.
Palmgren: It is strange, and there are a few
other festivities, if you will, that is connected with this
as well. I will try this. We have another one of our guests,
Josh Reeves, did a really good symbolism and interpretation
of some of these things here as well and pointed towards the
fact that there is another Roman
festivity going on. I am going to try to find that later.
If nothing else, I will link that up so people can take a look
for themselves. And it is another one of these Lucretia or something
else. [sp? Festival
of Lupercalia? 32:17] . I will find it later, but it is
interesting to me. How detailed, Rauni, is the art of mind control?
Do you think that every step that this guy made was planned
by somebody, or are we talking about someone who has suggested
a few ideas to him, but made him very, very convinced of it?
So on one level he actually just acted out these things seemingly
on his own, and maybe made certain decisions on it himself.
What do you think?
Dr. L-K: I think it can be done extremely,
extremely in detail. Of course it depends. What kind of programming
you are. There are different programs for different people,
but he was early entry programmed to kill, and programmed for
hate. And it can be extremely, extremely detailed. But, sometimes
they break. Sometimes they do break, and that can disrupt their
programming. And that is the danger. Those who program, that
if they disrupt, something happens unexpected. Whatever, so
he falls -- it is like hypnosis. So he falls off from the hypnosis,
and then things may go very, very wrong. But usually they don't
have anything to say. They are just biological robots. And they
do it tank-tank-tank, and that's it. Like Sirhan, Sirhan who
was convicted of Robert Kennedy's murder, he said "Did
I do it?" Did I do it?" See, he was programmed, and
I have read about his programming, and he talked to who was
programming him, and "Kill Kennedy, Kill Kennedy"
you know like that, and then when it happened he said, "Did
I do it?" So he got out of the programming, he couldn't
understand that he had killed. So it is a very, very scary technology
when it is misused. It could be used positively. That "Blah!
blah! blah!" The whole world love everybody, who world
love each other, but of course it is not, because it is a weapon
Palmgren: Exactly, at the end of the day they
shouldn't mess around with those kinds of things. They should
let people live their own lives, and come to the conclusion
that they want to, and live their lives accordingly, and this
is again about full spectrum dominance, as it is called, controlling
all the aspects of human life. And they are doing it. They are
shaping and molding society and the way things are going to
turn basically on this planet with the aid of these drones,
these programmed individuals, basically. And the question here
is as well is how -- again I go back to the manifesto and yes,
of course we don't know if it is written by him, but if we look
at it in terms of the detail at the end of this thing, as a
kind of diary, if you will, almost, what he did, how he did
it, how he went about with the chemicals, what he did that day,
or he went out and ate at this restaurant, it is pretty interesting
because it almost reads like a, how shall I put this, someone
has told him, OK, detail everything that you do, write it down
so that we have that for the record later.
Dr. L-K: Exactly. They have dictated every
word that he puts into it. You know he writes and he writes
and he writes. In a way it could be called automatic writing.
When you do automatic writing, some other source affects you.
Whether it is a good one, like a spirit of some other dimension,
or whether it is like a CIA agent who is doing mind-control
on you. So it is an outside force that is forcing you to write.
And you have no idea what you write. But the text comes, and
then you read it, and it does not make very much sense. You
can get prescriptions or you know the future or what is happening
or next year or whenever. You can ask questions and you can
get answers and of course you can see if it is fit. If it is
true. But is is absolutely an outside force, and of course in
medicine we say it is your subconscious writing. I am doing
automatic writing, and I do know it is not my subconscious because
I don't know those things. My subconscious does not know those
things, but sometimes I get it. But to the main thing is that
you are under the influence of an outside force. And if it is
a good force, you can use it for healing, and if it is a negative
one, you use it for mind control. Or they use it.
Palmgren: Yes. Apparently his farm that he
was on as well had been used for some interesting things previously,
owned by, there was apparently marijuana grown at the farm --
it had been used by different groups. Or if it is just the one,
I still need to confirm this but it was apparently used by other
things, if I put it that way before, for potentially the forces
behind the control of society basically, and they have been
using this farm for a number of different agendas, basically
and this just seems to be the last one, if I put it that way.
Have you heard that?
Dr. L-K: The police went there after he was
arrested and they were doing explosions. And it came into the
newspapers that some neighbors had complained because they got
really frightened and they had not been informed, that the police
were doing the explosions. But the police stated in the press
that they have informed the neighbors. Well I don't
think a lady who is a neighbor will go to the Norwegian press
and say that they did not inform us if they really would have.
So again this information from the police [is suspect].
Palmgren: Yes. Do you know if it is true if
the FSK, the Forsvarets Spesialkommando, Special
Forces of Norway, is close to this area of Rena
where he was staying as well.
Dr. L-K: I don't know. I don't know, no.
Palmgren: OK. It was just a hint that was picked
up in an article I read recently, and I have not been able to
confirm that, or find more info about that, but I wanted to
ask if you knew.
Dr. L-K: But I remember from the Finnish shooting,
you know I don't think it was a conincidence that our police
special forces were doing an exercise ten minutes from the shooting
place. I mean, it can't be a coincidence.
Dr. L-K: So, you know, the police is always
Palmgren: That is very, very interesting, this
whole story, and again, what do you think about the media beginning
to analyze the story and try to break it down. I think I have
never ever seen such an explosion in the media of trying to
deconstruct this, trying to analyze these things. And again
I go back to that idea that it is a kind of Gordian Knot, that
if you look at the whole situation, it is like a massive PSYOP
that is affecting everybody and everything, including obviously
the media who is putting out all of this information all the
time. To me it implies that it can't just be the acts of one
mad man, if you will. But if it is, it is quite astonishing.
Dr. L-K: No, it is not an act of one mad man,
it is a brilliant operation involving the powers that be. The
powers that rule this world. And they are not governments as
such. They are behind the scenes and they force the governments
to do what they do. According to this FSB report, Stoltenberg
first learned of this plot against his country this past Wednesday.
[It] says "This happened on Friday, after reading a top
secret report prepared for him by the Norwegian Intelligence
Service on the late March computer attack against Norway's top
military leader which showed them involved in a conspiracy with
Britain's MI5 security service, and the United States Central
Intelligence (CIA) to launch a two-phased attack on Norway modeled
after false flag operations both in Australia and America in
the mid-1990's." Now that would show that the top politicians
have really nothing to say. They can't stop this, even if they
tried. So there are other people that rule the country. And
they do not rule it for the benefit of the people. They want
to diminish like the UN Agenda 21 stated if I remember correctly
that 85% of the population of the earth has to be eliminated.
85%! And they are doing it all the time. All the time, all the
time, in different ways. So for me this is not a positive evolvement
and development of the human race. And they do say that we are
too many. You know, there is overpopulation. I would say that
if we all would become vegetarian, and I am not, I like a good
beef. But if we all would be vegetarians, there would be enough
food for the whole world. It is true. And why are they now having
terrible troubles with dryness in the African Horne. Because
I heard from a previous high politician in Norway that already
in 79 both U.S. and Russia were sitting together and thinking
of the future of planet earth, and they decided that Africa
as a continent has to go first in their depopulation program.
Palmgren: Well, they sure have been running
that program for a long time, already, haven't they.
Dr. L-K: Exactly. Exactly. And that is why
no one cared about Luanda, for instance, when a million people
died, because Luanda does not have oil or minerals or whatever,
and immediately when there is oil in any country, that is when
America comes in. And the next thing I suppose is Iran. They
already have warships there I was told. American warships. So
if something happens, a false flag operation in the States,
so then of course they blame Al Qaeda or Iran or whatever, and
all hell breaks loose.
Palmgren: You know it is good you bring that
up as well because everybody of all races across the planet
are being targeted. Some have been targeted for a longer time,
and I believe that the most recent one now that you alluded
to are the white terrorists. They are the next ones. Look out
for the blond, the blue-eyed. And symbolically, what better
place to begin than up in Northern Europe, here, Norway or even
Sweden, in that sense.
Dr. L-K: Right.
Palmgren: That is just the latest incarnation
of the terror that has been happening against everybody, so
more right wing people out there in a sense. It has been happening
around the world, and everybody has been targeted. Some people
say this is just to target the right wing, but I think that
as soon as we fall into the idea of left wing or right wing,
and try to deconstruct what is happening in the world according
to this political paradigm, we are losing the plot, because
it stretches beyond that, and these two different factions of
war on left and war on right have just been used to further
polarize people, but if you try to apply that line of thinking
I believe in this case and many others as well it is not going
to make sense. It is going to be totally illogical, which it
is too, because if you look at the manifesto and try to break
down, wait a minute, is he right wing or left wing, I am confused,
you know, it doesn't make sense.
Dr. L-K: And it doesn't matter what somebody
is who is doing a terror actions. It doesn't matter what it
is, if it is a Muslim or a Norwegian or a Finn, or whoever,
they are doing what they are doing and it doesn't matter what
their background is. The deed, what they are doing, the consequences
of what they have done, that is what matters. Not their background.
Palmgren: Of course. And of course how this
is going to be used by the powers that be --
Dr. L-K: Exactly, exactly.
Palmgren: I think you have multiple layers
of this as well, Rauni. You have on one level you have the universalists,
the globalists, the Fabians at the top if you will who are having
their agenda on how to play this, and then further down on another
level down to the local political parties, if you will, are
going to use this in a favorable manner for themselves in one
way or another. Everybody is going to jump on this, you know
they are circling this like [buzzards on] a corpse in that sense,
trying to take advantage of picking the bones of this thing.
It is horrible to see it as well at the same time.
Dr. L-K: That's right. Everyone picks their
raisins out of the bread. But one thing that I do hope will
have an enduring effect, and I think it will, at least for some
time, that people are more and more feeling united. More and
more feeling that this should not happen, and we shoud be closer
to each other. Actually I should would say love is the key.
But it is very, very hard to get that through. But you do get
that through, through pain. And I am afraid that we have to
through pain to learn these basic things of loving each other
and thinking of the good things that we can do to each other,
and how we can help other nations who are not so further advanced
as we are technically. They may be spiritually much more advanced
than we are, but the good thing about these things is the feeling,
what happens after war for instance, or what happened after
the big tsunami, in Thailand a few years ago at Christmas. People
really helped each other. They really thought of changing their
attitudes, at least for some time, and this is what has happened
in Norway. And I hope that we don't have to go through very,
very painful experiences which I am afraid we will have to before
we change. If we would change our energy into love and light
and sending the good vibrations to this planet, that could prevent
even any attack. I mean they could prevent that a gun can be
shot, they can prevent that an asteroid hits us if we are united.
And after all, we are seven billion people. So we could really
do something if we start using our brain capacity. That is,
our spirituality, our energy. But until now we don't do that.
We fight against each other. Because of religion, because of
politics. Because somebody is too rich and I am too poor, or
whatever, and that has to change. It has to change that we are
all human beings on this planet, and we all have a mission,
and that mission is not destroying each other. It is to elevate
our standard and the planet to a new dimension. And we do have
a possibility to do that without destroying it. But it always
hurts when the truth comes out. And then it has to come out
for us. We are right there when it stops hurting.
Palmgren: I agree with you, these are all constructs
that are designed to make us fight among ourselves instead of
beginning to realize who the real enemy is and look at the top
of the pyramid if you will, and maybe beyond that and realize
who is pulling the strings basically in making all these things
happen. And I remember talking with some Americans, and they
said the vibe if you will was great after September 11th. Everybody
was coming together and everybody had a feeling that hasn't
been there before.
Dr. L-K: Same as that here in Norway now.
Palmgren: But then this is the sad thing about
that, and I hope that this does not happen for Norway either,
but eventually the frustration, fear, and anger and aggression
sort of took over, and I mean look at the way that society has
transformed in the United States and across the world after
September 11th and the paranoid approach that society has now
against everything. And now we have to go through these radiated
body scanners just because of all of this thing that apparently
happened on September 11th. Right?
Dr. L-K: Right.
Palmgren: Now everybody is being treated like
a criminal until we are being proven innocent, basically, and
that is not the right way to go.
Dr. L-K: Absolutely not. Absolutely. And thank
God there are some change coming, because some States in the
United States are making it illegal to body scan, and at least
to grope their sexual organs when you go through the airports.
And now the employees are getting cancer. Because they stay
there all day and they get the side radiation, of course. And
the radiation is so bad in the TSA boxes that the Los Alamos
research has shown that your DNA starts bubbling with those.
Your DNA bubbles yourself. And they haven't caught a single
terroist with this system.
Palmgren: No --
Dr. L-K: So, so--
Palmgren: Sorry Rauni, it was shown by a German
TV program that did a test of this, and it failed. The guy actually
managed to hid a pistol I think somewhere on his body too, so
it doesn't even work.
Dr. L-K: No, it doesn't work, and power explosives
don't seem to come out of there either. So this is just harrassment.
It is money for the guy who owns this system who was a toll
free agent of the homeland security, Michael Chertoff, or something.
Palmgren: Chertoff. That's right. Chertoff
Dr. L-K: $150,000 apiece, and if they would
use the dogs to sniff people for instance, so they got only
$8,000 apiece, then these guys wouldn't get all the money and
they couldn't for instance sterilize people. Because it causes
cancer. If it causes cancer in the employees who get the side
radiation, think what it causes in the people who have to go
through. And the humiliation that they have done. [51:23]
Palmgren: Yes, yes.
Dr. L-K: They took a breast implant, plastic
from a stewardess because she had had a cancer operation, and
she said "Well this is just -- have had cancer." No,
they took it away. They took away a plastic urine thing from
a man who had had prostate cancer and they broke it. So the
piss went all over him. They forced a 95 year old woman who
was sitting in a wheel chair and had diapers to take away the
diaper, and she did not have an extra one. They humiliate people,
and that is of course orders. That is what we are coming to,
this kind of Nazi society. And this thing that, oh, everybody
should be micro-chipped and everybody should be surveilled.
Everybody's telephone and PC's and emails are screened -- everybody!
by the supercomputers. Now this is not a society of high spirituality.
Dr. L-K: This is going low, low, low.
Dr. L-K: And that has to break. And it only
breaks through catastrophes, man-made.
Palmgren: This is the "in" Nazi,
the "international socialists" who are running this
now. Furthermore, when a weapons manufacturer like Lockheed
Martin now wins the contract for seventy two million dollars
to install body scanners around in the States, people have to
begin to question that. I wonder why? Why a weapons manufacturer,
these radiation --
Dr. L-K: Because radiation is a weapon. It
is a weapon against a civilian population. And this way you
can eliminate people when they have get the radiation which
is so strong that it causes cancer and other illnesses. It is
a weapon, so that is why a weapon factory will get the contract.
Palmgren: Yes. Unfortunately.
Dr. L-K: I know, Rauni. Why don't we, let's
try to talk a little bit more here as we begin to run things
up here for this time. There are still a lot of loose threads
out there. A lot of unknown variables. I am sure that in hindsight
we will look back and say, "Oh! I forgot to mention this"
in this interview and program and there will be time to detail
this, further on as well. Please if there is anyone out there
listening and having more information about the case, please
send it to us as well, because we are interested in trying to
understand what has happened here. Now Rauni, do you feel that
there is anything more you want to mention about how they
will try to use this in the intermediary here Norway maybe or
Scandinavia or Europe. How will -- what is the consequence here.
Stoltenberg said "No, this won't not change Norwegian society,"
but of course it will, right?
Dr. L-K: Of course it will. It already has.
It has changed the attitudes of people. But I think we have
covered up quite a bit of the consequences or possible consequences,
so I don't think I have any more to add. And I think actually
this is very heavy for people to hear, especially those people
who do not know of these things before. Those who have read
about these things or are a little bit inside, they probably
do not take it heavily, but those people who hear for the fist
time that this could have been a false flag operation, they
Dr. L-K: So I think we have had enough, and
I want to say that the most important thing we have to remember,
man is a mind, not a body, like I always say, and when you die,
you don't die, it is only your body that dies. You are an intelligent
life being with feelings, with emotions, with intelligence,
and you just get out of your body, so there is no death. Those
who died in this terrible catastrophe, they are fine, there
is nothing wrong with them, but it is very, very heavy on their
family and friends. And they should be comforted by the thought
that they have not lost their loved ones. They have lost their
physical appearance. But them, they are alive, just
as you and I. You are somewhere, in another country, and I am
here. We don't even see each other. But we can communicate through
the telephone, but we can also communicate telepathically. And
that is what they should learn, and then they can have contact
with their loved ones who are now on another frequency in another
Palmgren: Yes, absolutely. It is a good way
to mention it. I just want to personally say as well I hope
that no one is offended by any of this. People who are at that
stage obviously should take a break in grief instead of wallowing
in this information but I believe it is essential to be able
to question these events when they happen. And as we know as
well, Rauni, this is at the early stages of this that things
are the most revealing details are put out there by eyewitnesses
and so forth things that cannot be controlled by the government
or the media, if you will, but it is essential to monitoring
that. It is a tragedy, and that is the way it is, but I think
that once people get over the shock and have given time to grief
about this, the people wake up and realize who and why this
is being done to you and the people around you. And to everybody
on the planet, basically, because this is just the latest incarnation,
as we said before Rauni, of things that have been going on for
a long, long time.
Rauni: That's right, and the thing that comes
out of this is that it unites people in a positive way, and
that is what we should have, one united planet, but it has to
be done positively and not with force like is trying to be done
Palmgren: Thank you very much for you time
today, Rauni, we really appreciate it, and we thank you for
your perspective, adding your expertise and your theories and
ideas obviously about some of the things that have happened
here as well. Please let us know if there is anything else you
want us to mention here as well before we wrap things up at
this time. Any of your book titles or any of your other work,
Dr. L-K: I will let you know when my first
book comes out in English. I am just writing it.
Palmgren: Sounds good. Thank you very much
for your time.
Dr. L-K: Thank you, thank you Henrik.
Note: The following are some interesting articles I uncovered
on the Internet while checking some terms, places, and references
used in the interview above that have relevance to the topics
Juli. In July. Illuminati utpresser norske myndigheter? Illuminati
blackmailed Norwegian authorities? by Tor Karlstad,
[English Translation page], nyhetsspeilet.no.
Dragons in the war against Illuminata Fourth Reich
by Thu Karlstad, [English Translation page], nyhetsspeilet.no.
behind - The secret government monster mafia by
Hans Gaarder, [English
Translation page], nyhetsspeilet.no.
reveals false-flag Utøya? by Morten Kjelland,
[English Translation page], nyhetsspeilet.no.
man-chip by Thu Karlstad, [English Translation
terror Illuminati Card by Tor Karlstad, [English
Translation page], nyhetsspeilet.no.
All Conservatives Potential Terrorists Now? by
Tor Karlstad, [English Translation page], nyhetsspeilet.no.
bomb the Government? by Tor Karlstad, [English
Translation page], nyhetsspeilet.no.
in Vaerkrig [Weather War], [English Translation
in the War for Baron Rothschild, [English Translation
STATE - Criminals To Be Microchipped & Tracked By States
third book in the NWO-trilogy, [English Translation
page], nyhetsspeilet.no." The article provides a selective
summary of Ertresvaag book "Norway: A brain-finance and
power-controlled society?" (October 2011). Kapitlene om
bank, finans og økonomi vektlegges mer enn de andre.
The chapters on banking, finance and economics are emphasized
more than the others. Sammendraget inneholder linker til relevante
web-ressurser, og kan således fungere som et nyttig supplement
til boken. The summary contains links to relevant web resources,
and can thus serve as a useful supplement to the book."
reveals cynical power elite in Norway by Frank
Aune, nyhetsspeilet.no [English Translation]
Norwegian politician reveals the existence of extensive high-tech
underground bases in Norway as a secret kept by means of lies
and cynicism. These are intended only for the elite, leading
politicians and specially selected people in a global catastrophe.
The rest of the Norwegian population is left to die.
maintains an active, Norwegian politician with a military background
who has been vindicated with his identity. The person is confirmed
to be true and we are quite sure that the source is just the
Norwegian politician he claims to be. Because of the risk to
life, he wishes not to disclose their names publicly.
Norwegian politician said that massive underground bases being
kept secret for the people by the government and leading politicians.
These will be used by the power elite in Norway of a future
disaster. All facilities have been under construction since
1983 and the last will be completed no later than 2011. The
politician reveals about the underground bases is extremely
shocking and suggests strongly that the government and leading
politicians in Norway is a small cog in a big game controlled
by the global power elite..."
corruption in Norway, nrk.no/nyheter/okonomi/