Rick Wiles
Host of

Interview with

Christina Consolo
(aka "RadChick")


Fukushima Facts
the Mainstream Media
Isn't Talking About


23 May 2012



Christina Consolo: Fukushima Facts the Mainstream Media Isn't Talking About 5.23.2012


Interview Transcript


Editor's Note: This transcription provided
by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books
is reasonably but not completely accurate for research purposes.
He has supplied corrections or comments made inside brackets.

Rick Wiles: I have to tell you that it has been very difficult for us to find nuclear experts willing to go on the record on this radio program to talk about Fukushima. One person who has diligently pursued the facts is Christina Consolo of Nuked Radio. Her web site is FukushimaFacts.com, and she is on the phone with me right now. Christina, welcome to TruNews.
Christina Consolo: Thank you so much for having me on your program.
Rick:Well Christina, first before we get into a discussion about what is going on in Japan, what is your first reaction to this Alaska Airlines story? [:40]
Christina: A lot of us were expecting to see some type of issue with people that fly for a living because the radiation levels up in the jet stream right now are extremely high, and they have been for the last 14 months, in fact some researchers and friends of mine, I have loaned my Geiger counter to, have flown with the Geiger counters on in the air, and the numbers are much higher than the gamma radiation that you would expect to have from cosmic sources. Flight attendants already have a high propensity for developing breast cancer because they are exposed to gamma radiation from the sun and cosmic sources, but the manufacturers of the Geiger counters estimate that you should be getting about two hundred counts per minute at about 18,000 feet of elevation. And the numbers that they are finding when they fly with their geigers are about ten times higher than that.
Rick: Ten times higher.
Christina: Yes, in fact there was a flight [done by] a gentleman, his name is EnviroReporter [Michael Collins at EnviroReporter.com], he is from YouTube, and he has actually been going on some news programs in California to talk about this. He flew from Santa Monica to Michigan in December and recorded 60 times over what it should have been in the air. So when people are continually exposed to these levels of radiation you can expect to see some type of sickness eventually, and it appears that is what is happening. .
Rick: And although we can't say this with conclusive proof because we don't know the facts behind what is going on with these Alaska Airline flight attendants, but it does seem odd to me that if the new uniforms were issued in 2011, why are they breaking out in lesions and skin and hair loss now? A year later? That doesn't make sense.
Christina: Right.
Rick: So to me there is another source of the problem, and my first guess would be that they are being exposed to high levels of nuclear radiation high in the altitude of the air space flying over the Pacific, and obviously Alaska Airlines is doing a lot of Pacific coastal flights across the Western United States. So I think we are going to see more stories like this. One thing, Christine, is very obvious, The Japanese government I believe has lied from day one. I believe they are continuing to lie. And I believe the U.S. Government is not necessarily lying. They aren't speaking. They aren't talking at all about what is happening in Fukushima. So they are not going on the record saying anything. But the Japanese government is lying. They have not told the people the truth. And they have been caught over and over again lying to the Japanese people. [3:52]
Christina: Right, and eventually, you know, you can't stop the truth from leaking out of Fukushima. Obama actually came out with a statement at the start of this disaster and said that their nuclear experts did not feel that harmful levels of radiation would reach our shores. What we found from Freedom of Information Act requests that are posted on a web site called enformable.com. A gentleman who has been requesting [a copy of] all of the transmissions between the U.S. government, the Chinese, the Russians and the Japanese from the beginning of the disaster until now, and that includes NRC transcripts of phone calls. They were well aware of how high the levels were and that they were coming over here. In fact, infants in California were exposed to 40,000 becquerels of Iodine -131, that causes thyroid cancer from March 17th until the beginning of April, and there was an actual letter that came from the FDA telling physicians in California not to put people on potassium iodine. The only thing that I can draw from that is that they didn't want to panic people. They did not want them to know how bad the situation is. But the problem is that the situation is ongoing. Those reactors are steaming constantly. The corium, the melted nuclear fuel from the reactor pressure vessels is in the ground under the plants. They are dumping nine tons of water on each reactor and spent fuel pool all day long, and that water is going into the ocean. Our storms are generated out of this huge radiation slick that is off the coast of Japan, and this all gets rained out over the West Coast of Canada, and the United States, and this has been going on for 14 months. I have an inbox just full of people whose pets are losing hair, whose children are sick, they have lingering illnesses. The doctors are trying everything that they usually do to try to diagnose. They are diagnosing them with allergies, they are diagnosing them with bronchitis, and they are treating them endlessly with inhalers and all the things that they would usually put people on for these types of problems, and they are not getting better. And people are really getting desperate for answers. And this is a problem across the entire United States, but most of all, in the Pacific Northwest. They have been getting hit the hardest since it began.
Rick: So from Alaska down along the Vancouver, Canada region, into Seattle, Portland, is that the main zone that is getting worse?
Christina: Yes, but it is all the way down to Southern California, in fact they have detected Cesium 137 and 134 in the pollen that was being released a few weeks ago in Southern California.
Rick: In the pollen?
Christina: These trees have, you know, they uptake Cesium through the water supply. It goes into the trees and now it is being re-released as pollen from the trees in Southern California. They had predicted this would only happen in Japan, but it is actually happening here. [7:30]
Rick: Christine, what about milk? Do we have any reports of elevated levels of radiation in milk?
Christina: Yes, the EPA was testing milk at the beginning of the disaster, and the EPA did testing for about two weeks and then said the levels were dropping and they shut off all their tests. They stopped testing food, they stopped testing rain water, soil, and they have not resumed that testing, but independent labs have been. In fact, UC Berkeley reported in November that the levels of Cesium in cows' milk are actually 150% higher than they were in April of last year. So what I have been telling all my friends with little kids is don't drink cows milk any more. Don't let your kids drink it. Use milk alternatives like almond milk, coconut milk -- coconut milk is also very high in potassium -- so that is good for you because it helps block [radioactive] iodine uptake into your thyroid. Soy milk without GMO -- [8:38]
Rick: Christine, you know, I have told my audiences this before. Before Fukushima, maybe weeks or months before Fukushima I had this, like, sudden disconnect from milk. I just had this feeling come over me. Don't drink milk anymore, drink coconut milk. I made the switch, and I don't even know where the thought came from because it is not even something I have ever thought about. But I suddenly, a year ago before Fukushima, I stopped drinking milk
Christine: Yes. The milk supplies from Wisconsin are probably better than the ones from California, because California had such a high amount of fallout. In fact, the USGS, the United States Geological Survey, did soil samples back in April of last year and released those findings recently. They showed the highest contamination in the country within the cities of Los Angeles, Portland and Boulder, Colorado, although all 24 cities that they tested showed fallout from Fukushima. And we have some independent researchers who have just started testing beef from last summer and California was reporting that fallout was being detected in cow manure. Well if it is in the cow manure it is in the milk and it is in the beef already. The numbers don't go down. They get stronger as time goes on because radiation is cumulative. Unless you have the cows start ingesting something that will help negate those particles, like boron -- [Many a farmer in] Hawaii has been feeding boron to their cows since April, in fact the jet stream does not usually dip as far as Hawaii. If anything we should have been feeding boron to the cows over here. And what that does is it helps absorb some of that material and pass out of the cow so that it doesn't go into the milk and into the meat. We are not taking any of these measures. Farmers are not even aware that this is going on. They are starting to become aware because there are so many people that are staring to really speak out about this.
Rick: Christina, do you think the situation will get to the point that the U.S. Government will be forced to address the issue, or will they just continue to pretend that nothing is happening. [11:03]
Christina: Well I have friends who work in the nuke industry, as well. Friends that I grew up with. People have different opinions about why the government is not talking about this. If you look at if from like a global economic perspective, if people were aware of how bad the situation is, you know the economy in Japan is already really hurting, they were having the same kinds of problems that we are having here with the mortgage crisis and so forth, but this is going to economically devastate Japan as it is. It is going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars to manage the situation at Fukushima. Because this is going to go on for possibly centuries. This problem is going to have to be dealt with over there. In fact the Japanese government is taking over the Tokyo Electric Company's Fukushima plant, because the company that owns it, the utility that owns it has no money. They are broke. If you look at it from the global perspective, you know, that could be a reason. But what my friends in the nuclear industry are saying is that the levels of contamination over here are so high that the entire United States needs to be decontaminated at this point, and it will bankrupt every state and local government.
Rick: Christine. you have sources in the nuclear industry in the United States who are privately telling you that America is already so contaminated that the nation needs to be, I mean, they are telling you that the radiation levels are so high, that this country needs to be decontaminated. Did I hear you right?
Christina: That is what they have been telling me since December, however, since then the USGS posted those soil samples that they took back in April of last year and they already showed a high level of contamination, especially in L.A., Portland, and Boulder. And that was from April of last year. Now this has been ongoing. We have had since then 14 more months of rain and weather and wind blowing that stuff over here, it is settling on the ground, settling on the trees, and it is starting to show up in plants all over the country, especially dandelions. Plants that grow fast and uptake a lot of water are starting to show some very strange mutations. In fact, we started a page on FukushimaFacts and on Facebook called Mutation Watch where people can go and post images of weird stuff that they are finding in their area. And what I am doing is re-labeling all those images with the person's name, the date the image was taken, and the location, and we are sending them to researchers so that they can put them in their studies that they are doing, their lectures that they are doing, so we can get this information out to the public. Look what is happening when you see a dandelion that is as big as a baseball bat with six or seven heads on it, that is not normal. [14:22]
Rick: You are getting photographs of these types of weird mutations in the United States?
Christina: No, all over. I went to the elementary school where my kids went to school, because I have four daughters. I found seventeen mutated dandelions in about two hours walking around their softball field and their playground. I still have those on my camera. I have not uploaded those to YouTube yet, but I have other mutation videos on my YouTube channel of dandelions here from Bell Island, from Detroit, from Dearborn Michigan, from Blumfield Hills, and what really concerned me is last summer I started noticing all the pine trees around here started turning red in groups. I looked into this pine tree deal, because I know this was a problem in the Pacific Northwest. Pine tree beetles that attack and kill pine trees actually leave tracks on the bark. These little tubes that they make, so you can tell if it is an insect infestation that is killing the tree. These are not pine tree beetles. This was widely observed around Chernobyl. It is called red forest syndrome. Because pine trees are notorious for cesium uptake. One of the first trees that show damage are pine trees. Just today I drove through a very exclusive part of Oakland County Michigan called Bloomfield Hills. There are 100 foot pine trees there that are completely red. And it occurs in clusters because that is how fallout comes down to the ground. It is called the leopard spot pattern. I mean we have done all this research for 25 years around Chernobyl. We know what radiation does to the environment. Everything that they have noted there is happening here. If you know what to look for, you can see if it is happening in your area. Now, you are located in Florida.
Rick: Yes, we are on the Atlantic coast.
Christina: You are actually probably in the best state in the entire country to not to be affected by this, because the jet stream hardly ever dips as low as Florida. Now we have had some readings from central America and from South America at times where they are getting pretty high spikes, which is possibly from Fukushima also.
Rick: In Central and South America?
Christina: In Central and South America and even at times they have measured it in Australia. In fact, I had an email last night from someone telling me that Koala Bears are starting to lose hair down there in the zoos.
Rick: Do you know where In Central and South America these reports have come in from?
Christina: Brazil.
Rick: OK.
Christina: In Central America it was from a person who was on a facebook radiation watch page. There is a group of several hundred people that have all taught themselves how to measure radiation, and are taking readings from throughout the country, and this is from a woman who is traveling through the area and taking readings as she travels.
Rick: Would the Brazil case be because of the southern jet stream?
Christina: Well sometimes the upper level jets will go down to the Southern Hemisphere. They said at first that the radiation from Fukushima would probably only affect areas of the Northern Hemisphere. First they said it would not even reach the U.S. The particles were too heavy, they would fall in the ocean. Then they found out that was not true. Michio Kaku, who is a famous theoretical physicist from New York, had said that the radiation from Fukushima had gone into the Southern Hemisphere. This was like two or three weeks after Fukushima happened. It was already being measured down in Australia.
Rick: Is there a safe zone anywhere in the world?
Christina: Well the Southern Hemisphere is safer than the Northern Hemisphere. Florida is probably the safest state in terms of the entire U.S., or Puerto Rico. We are really being exposed to it everywhere, even though it is at very low levels. You have to remember that this is something that will be ongoing for at least the next thirty or forty years, because that is how long TEPCO said it is going to take.
Rick: How about the Caribbean Islands. Have you had reports from any of the islands?
Christina: I have had people contact me asking me if there was anyone doing readings in that area, and I don't know of anyone in that area who is doing them.
Rick: Is Reactor Number Four the most dangerous part of Fukushima right now? [19:19]
Christina: Well it is dangerous in terms of the building. The structure is very unstable. The seismicity of the structure has been rated as zero, meaning even a small earthquake could cause the building to collapse. And at the top of that building is a spent fuel pool that contains 1,500 fuel rods. Some of them are MOX fuel, some of them are brand new nuclear fuel. Extremely radioactive, that were supposed to go into reactor four on the morning of the earthquake because that reactor was under maintenance. So we have this full spent fuel pool that is sitting at the top of this reactor. And if something happens to that reactor and the pool falls on to the ground, the rods would start fissioning and possibly catch fire, or explode. It could then start a chain reaction of the other spent fuel pools on site. The other nuclear fuel that is on site that is left in the other reactor buildings, because there are six reactors at Fukushima. You only hear about four, but there is actually six there.
Rick: And what would happen if a fire ignited in these fuel rods?
Christina: We would be subjected to an extreme fallout situation where we would have to shelter indoors for a period of time, possibly a couple of months, if not longer.
Rick: You are talking about worldwide?
Christina: For the Northern Hemisphere.
Rick: The Northern Hemisphere would have to go indoors for possibly several months?
Christina: Yes. Researchers like Helen Caldicott who is a former pediatric physician who taught at Harvard and Arnie Gundersen who runs the Fairewinds.org site who is a nuclear expert, who does consulting, he used to actually work for the nuke industry until he became a whistle blower. He is one of the only people who has been putting out information on Fukushima. They are prepared to evacuate their families to the Southern Hemisphere if that happens.
Rick: Wow. This is pretty heavy stuff. [21:37]
Christina: That is why there are so many people -- the people who do know about this, who have stayed informed, who have conducted their own research are very upset because people aren't being told, and there are very easy things that people could be doing to protect their children right now and their own health from this contamination. All it really means is just living very healthy. Eating whole foods. Filtering your water. Avoiding rain and precipitation. Taking supplements. There are certain foods that help protect people from radiation like seaweed. The people around Hiroshima that ate miso soup every day had relatively no cancer, had lower cancer rates than people in other parts of Japan.
Rick: But the seaweed, Christina, was not contaminated at that time. What do we do now when the Pacific ocean is contaminated?
Christina. You need to pay attention to where you buy your seaweed from. There is actually, you know you can get North Atlantic seaweed, Norwegian kelp. And there is a few people out in Oregon starting a huge aquaponics business where they grow all of the food and fish indoors, and they are going to be doing indoor seaweed farming.
Rick: OK, so seaweed, miso soup will help your body block the radiation if you consume nuclear radiation? [Editor's Note: "Block" is a simplistic and misleading word. Radioprotective foods work in many different ways, such as by reducing uptake of radionuclides by certain organs, such as when one saturates the thyroid with natural iodine to reduce the uptake of radioactive iodine. Supplements can also assist the body in excreting radionuclides, which may be filtered by organs such as the liver which screen for heavy metals. All these benefits of supplements typically come on an incremental level. I am not aware of any food supplements that actually "block" radionuclides in the body like the way a road block in an automobile traffic analogy might completely halt all cars].
Christina: Yes.
Rick: What are the other foods?
Christina: The other foods that are really good for you are avocados, dates and nuts because they contain iodine. In fact you can search out the top ten foods that are highest in potassium. The top ten foods that are known for anticancer properties. Work as many of those foods into your diet as possible. I tell everybody, treat your body like you already have cancer. Get lots of sleep. Use lots of spices when you cook. Certain spices have anti-cancer properties like tumeric and rosemary. You just have to become an advocate for your own health.
Rick: OK now you mentioned eating whole foods when we are eating.
Christina: Cooking from scratch. That means no fast food and no processed food, and eating lower on the food chain. Because the higher you go up in the food chain when you get to animals, that is where the radiation will be concentrated.
Rick: Won't there be radiation on fresh vegetables and fruits?
Christina: Yes, from fallout, and what you do and what I do and have been doing for a year is when you get home from the grocery store, you wash all your fruit and vegetables, and you put baking soda in the water that you are washing them with, just a couple of table spoons, and let it soak for about 20 minutes, and then just rinse everything off and put it away, and I notice when my kids go to grab food that it is all clean. Because I have measured radiation on Romaine lettuce from California, in fact I bought celery the other day that was mutated and I sent it to a researcher, and I said "Here, I thought I was doing good eating salad all the time, look at the celery," and the celery had an obvious mutation on the bottom of the stock. She wrote me back and said that the people in Chernobyl told her that they only ate food that grew underneath the ground like potatoes and carrots and beets to limit their exposure. I men, that is pretty drastic. But you want to start thinking of becoming more of a vegetarian than maybe you already are. Eating more plants. Our bodies are more adapted to eating plants anyway. There is a really good book by Michael Pollan called In Defense of Food that talks about why plants are good for you anyway. But now in terms of the radiation uptake it is the best way to go. I had steaks today for lunch, but it is probably the only time I will eat meat this month. I do it kind of special occasions now, where we used to eat meat two or three or four times a week.
Rick: I have shared with my radio audience in the past year not only did I stop drinking milk, but I have pretty much cut out all meat, and now I am looking back, and I am realizing, I am understanding why this feeling, this impression came on me a year ago to become a vegetarian. To eat more raw food. To do away with dairy products. It did not make sense to me because I have never been that interested in being a vegan, but all of a sudden that thought came on me. My wife went in that direction. But I was not connecting it to Fukushima until recently. What about our exposure to rain?
Christina: Well, I actually last summer, and this was before when I was just researching Fukushima, and I didn't think about this really until a few weeks later my dog ran away during a thunder storm, and I was out in the rain trying to chase him down, and it was me and two dog catchers. And we all got soaked. When I got back to my house I had a rash all over my arms. I thought, "That is really strange. I did not run through the bushes or anything like that." I took a shower, and I took benadryl, and the next day I was fine. About month after that my daughter got caught in the rain, and she actually got a burn on her skin. And we took her to a Japanese dermatologist, we found out that the radiation levels in that rain storm were about ten times over background. They were measured in a city just north of me, and they did a biopsy of the area and said that she had a burn, but they could not test her to see if it was caused by radioactive particles. So I started doing fallout forecasts, and talking to some researchers and some atmospheric experts about what they have determined, what they have learned from atmospheric testing that was done in the 60's, and how fallout occurs. And we used to have a civil defense department which was broken up into DHS and FEMA, when we did away with it, but all their research is still online. They did extensive research on how fallout comes down in the rain. It floats around in a very dynamic part of our atmosphere called the troposphere, and that is where all of our storms are generated out of. The rain, there is an electrical charge to these particles that attracts them to snow, and forms around them in rain and brings them down to the ground. So rain is the most dangerous time to get exposed. You should be avoiding all rainfall, but if you do get wet, all you have to do is take a shower and use baking soda. [Editor's Note: According to radiation expert Leuren Moret and others, radioactive nanoparticles carried in rain droplets can go right through the skin layer into the body, so one really must avoid getting wet from rain at all costs]. Use baking soda when you take a shower because baking soda is what the military uses to decontaminate soldiers in wartime or or when they are exposed to any kind of bomb test in the past. Baking soda and bentonite clay, which is a component of kitty litter that you can actually buy in adjustable kind, actually binds to the radioactive particles, and neutralizes them. Some people ingest baking soda as like an anti-cancer treatment.
Rick: In the shower you are just putting baking soda on you and just using it --
Christina: Yes, you are just mixing it in with your soap or like if your kids take a bath, putting like a cup or two in the bathwater with them.
Rick: Does it neutralize the radiation or does it absorb it, what's it doing? [30:21]
Christina: It neutralizes it. [Editor's Note: She probably means it gets bound so that it can get washed away. How does one "neutralize" a heavy metal radionuclide like Cesium-134 that has a half life of 30 years, or certain isotopes of uranium that have a half life of 4.5 billion years?]. And it is very inexpensive. You can get a huge box at Costco for like $30 that will last you a year. I wash all my vegetables in it. I wash all my pets in it when they get a bath. My kids use it because they are all in college. They are walking back and forth to class and so forth, so occasionally when they get caught in the rain, as soon as they come home, they just take a shower and use some baking soda to decontaminate, because we don't want anyone to get a burn like my daughter.
Rick: Is there scientific evidence that baking soda has this effect on the radiation?
Christina: Yes, it is what the military uses. You can search it online. There is all kinds of documentation. They use it to decontaminate soil also, but it is not good for using in your garden because it changes the PH of the soil. So what they recommend there is mixing clay, if you are growing vegetables outside, that you mix in clay, calcium and magnesium and potassium-based fertilizer, so your plants will uptake that instead of radiation or radioactive particles.
Rick:: How do we filter our drinking water?
Christina: The best way, you can go low cost or high cost. Low cost, and probably a lot of you in Florida do this already, is buying your water from the grocery store from that reverse osmosis machine.
Rick: Yes.
Christina: It is like twenty two cents a gallon if you bring your own container and it is run through a series of filters, activated carbon binds to radioactive particles, and neutralizes them also. [Editor's Note: Actually, as radioactive particles increase in concentration when bound to carbon filters, one begins to create radioactive "nuclear waste" that needs to be disposed of at an appropriate site]. So you can use like a Brita pitcher at home, because they detected radiation in our water supply back when Fukushima first started, and I haven't seen any recent tests. I have a company that is building a gamma spectrometer and scintillator for me, for doing food, water, soil, and rain tests, because the equipment is like $15,000 a machine.
Rick: But you would also need filters on your showers.
Christina: Yes, and that would be the high cost option if you got a system for your house. It is called a reverse osmosis. A lot of people that have well water have these. It is almost like a hot water tank, but it fits under your sink, and that is what everyone in Tokyo is using now too, and it filters all the water in your house. Because it is difficult to lug these gallons of water back and forth from the grocery store.
Rick: Christina, going back to the Reactor Number Four nightmare scenario, and this kind of catastrophic event happens, and people in the Northern Hemisphere are ordered to stay indoors for months. What about the food supply on the outside when this emergency is over, what are people going to eat?
Christina: Well, that is a good question. Anything that was packaged before that happened. The best food right now if you can still find food that was packaged prior to before Fukushima happening, prior to March 11, 2011. I have had no problems finding it in my area. In fact if you go to wholesale grocery stores you can find that more easily than you can at your regular [stores], [where] they have a lot of turnover of their products.
Rick: So the place, we now want to go to stores and say, "I want your old food." I do not want anything new, I want the oldest stuff you have got.
Christina: Yes, everything that I have that is packaged prior to Fukushima is good until 2014 that I have right now. I have a couple of sources that people gave me for ordering tea that is pre-Fukushima, and salmon, and things like that. So I have used some of that. But because I am mitigating and I am taking supplements and living really healthy I am not quite as worried about like what I am eating as much as I am my kids, because children are much more profoundly affected by exposure to radiation than adults, and my kids are older, but little kids, especially, this is a big concern for it because they are a hundred times more susceptible. If they are in a growing stage, where their cells are still dividing, and infants are about a thousand times more susceptible. So it is very dangerous for babies. Especially like for people who are mixing formula. They should not be using tap water, because boiling it does not remove radiation.
Rick: From time to time people have mentioned the Apocalyptic scenario of what is commonly referred to as the China syndrome.
Christina: Yes.
Rick: Could that be taking place right now? Do you think there is a possibility a China syndrome is actually underway.
Christina: Well, China syndrome, and Japan is actually referred to as Argentina syndrome because that is the antipode of Japan, whereas China is our antipode here. They made a movie about that, a famous movie, and it is only really in theory. They have never had a disaster like Fukushima. In fact, Michio Kaku spoke out again about two weeks ago he was interviewed on a radio station. We play a portion of that interview on Nuked Radio where he said that the melted nuclear fuel in Reactor Two and possibly in Reactor Three is liquefied uranium. And that has never been seen before in the history of nuclear power. So no one really knows what is going on under those plants. You know, our military has ground penetrating radar, optical coherence tomography, and HAARP, and all kinds of things and they could be looking under those plants. But no one has told us where the corium is, researchers from Kyoto University have estimated it is about 30 to 40 feet under the plants by now. But because it is liquefied we just don't know what it is doing. It is basically going into a feast and famine cycle where it starts fissioning, it releases radioactive steam and isotopes, and then it calms itself down, it shuts down its reaction, and then the reaction starts up again. This is happening for the last 14 months now. Generally what the thought was, because they have only examined very tiny amounts of corium in that stage in a lab, those blobs of corium under each reactor of melted fuel weigh about a 150 tons and there is three of them. So they really don't know. China syndrome was supposedly the theory that it would continue to burn its way all the way to the center of the earth. What it seems from the lab experiments that they have done with corium in its lava form, is that it would gradually pick up dirt and rock and other materials that would help stabilize it, and eventually it would shut itself down, but how far it would get in the ground before that, nobody one knows.
Rick: This is unbelievable.
Christina: It is unbelievable. It is extremely difficult to wrap your mind around the situation, especially when no one has told you about it or paid attention to it. I feel bad for people who are just finding out about this and saying "My God, this whole time I could have been doing this." You know it is never too late to start being an advocate for your own health and doing some research.
Rick: What worries you the most? What would you be concerned about that you are going to wake up some morning and hear in the news? What do you expect would be the absolute worst case scenario?
Christine: Well the worst case would be if the Reactor 4 fell, and it started a fission event where it set off, and they had to evacuate the plant, because the radiation levels would be so high that people can't be there. You know they are dumping all this water on the reactors right now, and they have hundreds of people working at this plant. If they need to evacuate and no one is monitoring these other reactors then they could all go into like a further heating situation and we could have some kind of explosion over there. My biggest fear is that people in the Pacific Northwest won't know about it, because I don't know if the government or the news would even cover that story. That is what is so upsetting for my own family, and we have plans. We plan to go to Florida if that happens. I have friends in Tampa that we are prepared to take all our pets and drive down there and stay for a few weeks until we can assess the situation and see when it is safe to come back up here.
Rick: Where are you located?
Christina: I live in southeast Michigan
Rick: You are in Michigan. Well I guess I should feel somewhat comforted that you would head to Florida where I am at. It is troubling for me that this disaster is underway. Do you think Japan is lost, is it finished?
Christina: I think northern Japan at this point is going to need to be evacuated, and probably Tokyo, and it probably should have been evacuated a long time ago. When Arnie Gundersen, this gentleman from Fairewinds was in Tokyo recently for the one year anniversary of the earthquake, he took samples from five random locations around Tokyo. He took soil samples and brought them back and had them tested. They all came back as high as a radioactive waste would be in the U.S.
Rick: Where do you evacuate Tokyo to?
Christina: That is a good question. There are some talks going on, possibly evacuate the people to the Kurile Islands, which Japan gave to Russia in the past as part of the World War II agreement.
Rick: But Tokyo's population is what? 23 million?
Christina: No, it is 35 million people.
Rick: 35 million people. I have heard some people suggest that these brand new empty cities in China may have to receive the Japanese people.
Christina: Yes, that has also been discussed as an option a long time ago, actually. You know there is a lot of people who have left Tokyo and they have moved with their children and one spouse has stayed behind to work.
Rick: We are talking about the end of a nation.
Christina: Yes. Which I think is part of a reason why I think from a global economic perspective is why it is not being talked about. It is a very serious situation that is going to have very serious ramifications for Japan.
Rick: And the other thing that could happen is that some event like Reactor Four collapsing, we could have a sudden cancellation of all air flights. All commercial airliners could be grounded for months.
Christian: Yes.
Rick: There would be no transportation in the air.
Christina: Yes. If anyone who is in a position is lucky enough to be in a position where they could evacuate to the Southern Hemisphere, I would recommend doing it the second that you hear that something has happened to that reactor, because you won't be able to fly once the fallout gets here. It is very unlikely once you get to South America they would send you back, knowing the situation from the fallout. But I don't know if they will be letting people in.
Rick: I think if you are going to go, you have to go now.
Christina: Yes.
Rick: Either you won't be able to get there, or if you got there they won't let you in. Christina, we are going to have you back on in the future, we are out of time. Christina Consolo, host of Nuked Radio. The web site Fukushima Facts. Christina, thank you so much for the work you are doing, I really appreciate it. I really do. I thank you for the outstanding work that you are doing. We will call on you in the future to keep our radio audience informed about this ongoing global disaster. This could be the destruction of the Northern Hemisphere. Folks, I am not exaggerating. I am not being a drama queen. This may be one of the worst catastrophes in the history of the planet. Christina, thank you so much for being on TruNews today.
Christina: Thanks for having me.



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