Note: This transcription provided
by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books
is reasonably but not completely accurate for research purposes.
He has supplied corrections or comments made inside brackets.
I have to tell you that it has been very difficult for us to
find nuclear experts willing to go on the record on this radio
program to talk about Fukushima. One person who has diligently
pursued the facts is Christina Consolo of Nuked Radio. Her web
site is FukushimaFacts.com,
and she is on the phone with me right now. Christina, welcome
Christina Consolo: Thank you so much for having
me on your program.
Rick:Well Christina, first before we get into
a discussion about what is going on in Japan, what is your first
reaction to this Alaska Airlines story? [:40]
Christina: A lot of us were expecting to see
some type of issue with people that fly for a living because
the radiation levels up in the jet stream right now are extremely
high, and they have been for the last 14 months, in fact some
researchers and friends of mine, I have loaned my Geiger
counter to, have flown with the Geiger counters on in the
air, and the numbers are much higher than the gamma radiation
that you would expect to have from cosmic sources. Flight attendants
already have a high propensity for developing breast cancer
because they are exposed to gamma radiation from the sun and
cosmic sources, but the manufacturers of the Geiger counters
estimate that you should be getting about two hundred counts
per minute at about 18,000 feet of elevation. And the numbers
that they are finding when they fly with their geigers are about
ten times higher than that.
Rick: Ten times higher.
Christina: Yes, in fact there was a flight
[done by] a gentleman, his name is EnviroReporter [Michael Collins
he is from YouTube, and he has actually been going on some news
programs in California to talk about this. He flew from Santa
Monica to Michigan in December and recorded 60 times
over what it should have been in the air. So when people are
continually exposed to these levels of radiation you can expect
to see some type of sickness eventually, and it appears that
is what is happening. .
Rick: And although we can't say this with conclusive
proof because we don't know the facts behind what is going on
with these Alaska Airline flight attendants, but it does seem
odd to me that if the new uniforms were issued in 2011, why
are they breaking out in lesions and skin and hair loss now?
A year later? That doesn't make sense.
Rick: So to me there is another source of the
problem, and my first guess would be that they are being exposed
to high levels of nuclear radiation high in the altitude of
the air space flying over the Pacific, and obviously Alaska
Airlines is doing a lot of Pacific coastal flights across the
Western United States. So I think we are going to see more stories
like this. One thing, Christine, is very obvious, The Japanese
government I believe has lied from day one. I believe they are
continuing to lie. And I believe the U.S. Government is not
necessarily lying. They aren't speaking. They aren't talking
at all about what is happening in Fukushima. So they are not
going on the record saying anything. But the Japanese government
is lying. They have not told the people the truth. And they
have been caught over and over again lying to the Japanese people.
Christina: Right, and eventually, you know,
you can't stop the truth from leaking out of Fukushima. Obama
actually came out with a statement at the start of this disaster
and said that their nuclear experts did not feel that harmful
levels of radiation would reach our shores. What we found from
Freedom of Information Act requests that are posted on a web
site called enformable.com.
A gentleman who has been requesting [a copy of] all of the transmissions
between the U.S. government, the Chinese, the Russians and the
Japanese from the beginning of the disaster until now, and that
includes NRC transcripts of phone calls. They were well aware
of how high the levels were and that they were coming over here.
In fact, infants in California were exposed to 40,000 becquerels
of Iodine -131, that causes thyroid cancer from March 17th until
the beginning of April, and there was an actual letter that
came from the FDA telling physicians in California not to put
people on potassium iodine. The only thing that I can draw from
that is that they didn't want to panic people. They did not
want them to know how bad the situation is. But the problem
is that the situation is ongoing. Those reactors are
steaming constantly. The corium, the melted nuclear fuel from
the reactor pressure vessels is in the ground under the plants.
They are dumping nine tons of water on each reactor and spent
fuel pool all day long, and that water is going into the ocean.
Our storms are generated out of this huge radiation slick that
is off the coast of Japan, and this all gets rained out over
the West Coast of Canada, and the United States, and this has
been going on for 14 months. I have an inbox just full of people
whose pets are losing hair, whose children are sick, they have
lingering illnesses. The doctors are trying everything that
they usually do to try to diagnose. They are diagnosing them
with allergies, they are diagnosing them with bronchitis, and
they are treating them endlessly with inhalers and all the things
that they would usually put people on for these types of problems,
and they are not getting better. And people are really getting
desperate for answers. And this is a problem across the entire
United States, but most of all, in the Pacific Northwest. They
have been getting hit the hardest since it began.
Rick: So from Alaska down along the Vancouver,
Canada region, into Seattle, Portland, is that the main zone
that is getting worse?
Christina: Yes, but it is all the way down
to Southern California, in fact they have detected Cesium 137
and 134 in the pollen that was being released a few weeks ago
in Southern California.
Rick: In the pollen?
Christina: These trees have, you know, they
uptake Cesium through the water supply. It goes into the trees
and now it is being re-released as pollen from the trees in
Southern California. They had predicted this would only happen
in Japan, but it is actually happening here. [7:30]
Rick: Christine, what about milk? Do we have
any reports of elevated levels of radiation in milk?
Christina: Yes, the EPA was testing milk at
the beginning of the disaster, and the EPA did testing for about
two weeks and then said the levels were dropping and they shut
off all their tests. They stopped testing food, they stopped
testing rain water, soil, and they have not resumed that testing,
but independent labs have been. In fact, UC Berkeley reported
in November that the levels of Cesium in cows' milk are actually
150% higher than they were in April of last year. So what I
have been telling all my friends with little kids is don't drink
cows milk any more. Don't let your kids drink it. Use milk alternatives
like almond milk, coconut milk -- coconut milk is also very
high in potassium -- so that is good for you because it helps
block [radioactive] iodine uptake into your thyroid. Soy milk
without GMO -- [8:38]
Rick: Christine, you know,
I have told my audiences this before. Before Fukushima, maybe
weeks or months before Fukushima I had this, like, sudden disconnect
from milk. I just had this feeling come over me. Don't drink
milk anymore, drink coconut milk. I made the switch, and I don't
even know where the thought came from because it is not even
something I have ever thought about. But I suddenly, a year
ago before Fukushima, I stopped drinking milk
Christine: Yes. The milk supplies from Wisconsin
are probably better than the ones from California, because California
had such a high amount of fallout. In fact, the USGS, the United
States Geological Survey, did soil samples back in April of
last year and released those findings recently. They showed
the highest contamination in the country within the cities of
Los Angeles, Portland and Boulder, Colorado, although all 24
cities that they tested showed fallout from Fukushima. And we
have some independent researchers who have just started testing
beef from last summer and California was reporting that fallout
was being detected in cow manure. Well if it is in the cow manure
it is in the milk and it is in the beef already. The numbers
don't go down. They get stronger as time goes on because radiation
is cumulative. Unless you have the cows start ingesting something
that will help negate those particles, like boron -- [Many a
farmer in] Hawaii has been feeding boron to their cows since
April, in fact the jet stream does not usually dip as far as
Hawaii. If anything we should have been feeding boron to the
cows over here. And what that does is it helps absorb some of
that material and pass out of the cow so that it doesn't go
into the milk and into the meat. We are not taking any of these
measures. Farmers are not even aware that this is going on.
They are starting to become aware because there are so many
people that are staring to really speak out about this.
Rick: Christina, do you think the situation
will get to the point that the U.S. Government will be forced
to address the issue, or will they just continue to pretend
that nothing is happening. [11:03]
Christina: Well I have friends who work in
the nuke industry, as well. Friends that I grew up with. People
have different opinions about why the government is not talking
about this. If you look at if from like a global economic perspective,
if people were aware of how bad the situation is, you know the
economy in Japan is already really hurting, they were having
the same kinds of problems that we are having here with the
mortgage crisis and so forth, but this is going to economically
devastate Japan as it is. It is going to cost hundreds of billions
of dollars to manage the situation at Fukushima. Because this
is going to go on for possibly centuries. This problem is going
to have to be dealt with over there. In fact the Japanese government
is taking over the Tokyo Electric Company's Fukushima plant,
because the company that owns it, the utility that owns it has
no money. They are broke. If you look at it from the global
perspective, you know, that could be a reason. But what my friends
in the nuclear industry are saying is that the levels of contamination
over here are so high that the entire United States needs to
be decontaminated at this point, and it will bankrupt every
state and local government.
Rick: Christine. you have sources in the nuclear
industry in the United States who are privately telling you
that America is already so contaminated that the nation needs
to be, I mean, they are telling you that the radiation levels
are so high, that this country needs to be decontaminated. Did
I hear you right?
Christina: That is what they have been telling
me since December, however, since then the USGS
posted those soil samples that they took back in April of last
year and they already showed a high level of contamination,
especially in L.A., Portland, and Boulder. And that was from
April of last year. Now this has been ongoing. We have had since
then 14 more months of rain and weather and wind blowing that
stuff over here, it is settling on the ground, settling on the
trees, and it is starting to show up in plants all over the
country, especially dandelions. Plants that grow fast and uptake
a lot of water are starting to show some very strange mutations.
In fact, we started a page on FukushimaFacts and on Facebook
Watch where people can go and post images of weird stuff
that they are finding in their area. And what I am doing is
re-labeling all those images with the person's name, the date
the image was taken, and the location, and we are sending them
to researchers so that they can put them in their studies that
they are doing, their lectures that they are doing, so we can
get this information out to the public. Look what is happening
when you see a dandelion that is as big as a baseball bat with
six or seven heads on it, that is not normal. [14:22]
Rick: You are getting photographs of these
types of weird mutations in the United States?
Christina: No, all over. I went to the elementary
school where my kids went to school, because I have four daughters.
I found seventeen mutated dandelions in about two hours walking
around their softball field and their playground. I still have
those on my camera. I have not uploaded those to YouTube yet,
but I have other mutation videos on my YouTube channel of dandelions
here from Bell Island, from Detroit, from Dearborn Michigan,
from Blumfield Hills, and what really concerned me is last summer
I started noticing all the pine trees around here started turning
red in groups. I looked into this pine tree deal, because I
know this was a problem in the Pacific Northwest. Pine tree
beetles that attack and kill pine trees actually leave tracks
on the bark. These little tubes that they make, so you can tell
if it is an insect infestation that is killing the tree. These
are not pine tree beetles. This was widely observed around Chernobyl.
It is called red forest syndrome. Because pine trees are notorious
for cesium uptake. One of the first trees that show damage are
pine trees. Just today I drove through a very exclusive part
County Michigan called Bloomfield
Hills. There are 100 foot pine trees there that are completely
red. And it occurs in clusters because that is how fallout comes
down to the ground. It is called the leopard spot pattern. I
mean we have done all this research for 25 years around Chernobyl.
We know what radiation does to the environment. Everything that
they have noted there is happening here. If you know what to
look for, you can see if it is happening in your area. Now,
you are located in Florida.
Rick: Yes, we are on the Atlantic coast.
Christina: You are actually probably in the
best state in the entire country to not to be affected by this,
because the jet stream hardly ever dips as low as Florida. Now
we have had some readings from central America and from South
America at times where they are getting pretty high spikes,
which is possibly from Fukushima also.
Rick: In Central and South America?
Christina: In Central and South America and
even at times they have measured it in Australia. In fact, I
had an email last night from someone telling me that Koala
Bears are starting to lose hair down there in the zoos.
Rick: Do you know where In Central and South
America these reports have come in from?
Christina: In Central America it was from a
person who was on a facebook radiation watch page. There is
a group of several hundred people that have all taught themselves
how to measure radiation, and are taking readings from throughout
the country, and this is from a woman who is traveling through
the area and taking readings as she travels.
Rick: Would the Brazil case be because of the
southern jet stream?
Christina: Well sometimes the upper level jets
will go down to the Southern Hemisphere. They said at first
that the radiation from Fukushima would probably only affect
areas of the Northern Hemisphere. First they said it would not
even reach the U.S. The particles were too heavy, they would
fall in the ocean. Then they found out that was not true. Michio
Kaku, who is a famous theoretical physicist from New York,
had said that the radiation from Fukushima had gone into the
Southern Hemisphere. This was like two or three weeks after
Fukushima happened. It was already being measured down in Australia.
Rick: Is there a safe zone anywhere in the
Christina: Well the Southern Hemisphere is
safer than the Northern Hemisphere. Florida is probably the
safest state in terms of the entire U.S., or Puerto Rico. We
are really being exposed to it everywhere, even though it is
at very low levels. You have to remember that this is something
that will be ongoing for at least the next thirty or forty years,
because that is how long TEPCO said it is going to take.
Rick: How about the Caribbean Islands. Have
you had reports from any of the islands?
Christina: I have had people contact me asking
me if there was anyone doing readings in that area, and I don't
know of anyone in that area who is doing them.
Rick: Is Reactor Number Four the most dangerous
part of Fukushima right now? [19:19]
Christina: Well it is dangerous in terms of
the building. The structure is very unstable. The seismicity
of the structure has been rated as zero, meaning even a small
earthquake could cause the building to collapse. And at the
top of that building is a spent fuel pool that contains 1,500
fuel rods. Some of them are MOX fuel, some of them are brand
new nuclear fuel. Extremely radioactive, that were supposed
to go into reactor four on the morning of the earthquake because
that reactor was under maintenance. So we have this full spent
fuel pool that is sitting at the top of this reactor. And if
something happens to that reactor and the pool falls on to the
ground, the rods would start fissioning and possibly catch fire,
or explode. It could then start a chain reaction of the other
spent fuel pools on site. The other nuclear fuel that is on
site that is left in the other reactor buildings, because there
are six reactors at Fukushima. You only hear about four, but
there is actually six there.
Rick: And what would happen if a fire ignited
in these fuel rods?
Christina: We would be subjected to an extreme
fallout situation where we would have to shelter indoors for
a period of time, possibly a couple of months, if not longer.
Rick: You are talking about worldwide?
Christina: For the Northern Hemisphere.
Rick: The Northern Hemisphere would have to
go indoors for possibly several months?
Christina: Yes. Researchers like Helen Caldicott
who is a former pediatric physician who taught at Harvard and
Arnie Gundersen who runs the Fairewinds.org
site who is a nuclear expert, who does consulting, he used
to actually work for the nuke industry until he became a whistle
blower. He is one of the only people who has been putting out
information on Fukushima. They are prepared to evacuate their
families to the Southern Hemisphere if that happens.
Rick: Wow. This is pretty heavy stuff. [21:37]
Christina: That is why there are so many people
-- the people who do know about this, who have stayed informed,
who have conducted their own research are very upset because
people aren't being told, and there are very easy things that
people could be doing to protect their children right now and
their own health from this contamination. All it really means
is just living very healthy. Eating whole foods. Filtering your
water. Avoiding rain and precipitation. Taking supplements.
There are certain foods that help protect people from radiation
like seaweed. The people around Hiroshima that ate miso soup
every day had relatively no cancer, had lower cancer rates than
people in other parts of Japan.
Rick: But the seaweed, Christina, was not contaminated
at that time. What do we do now when the Pacific ocean is contaminated?
Christina. You need to pay attention to where
you buy your seaweed from. There is actually, you know you can
get North Atlantic seaweed, Norwegian kelp. And there is a few
people out in Oregon starting a huge aquaponics
business where they grow all of the food and fish indoors, and
they are going to be doing indoor seaweed farming.
Rick: OK, so seaweed, miso soup will help your
body block the radiation if you consume nuclear radiation? [Editor's
Note: "Block" is a simplistic and misleading word.
Radioprotective foods work in many different ways, such as by
reducing uptake of radionuclides by certain organs,
such as when one saturates the thyroid with natural iodine to
reduce the uptake of radioactive iodine. Supplements can also
assist the body in excreting radionuclides, which may
be filtered by organs such as the liver which screen for heavy
metals. All these benefits of supplements typically come on
an incremental level. I am not aware of any food supplements
that actually "block" radionuclides in the body like
the way a road block in an automobile traffic analogy might
completely halt all cars].
Rick: What are the other foods?
Christina: The other foods that are really
good for you are avocados, dates and nuts because they contain
iodine. In fact you can search out the top ten foods that are
highest in potassium. The top ten foods that are known for anticancer
properties. Work as many of those foods into your diet as possible.
I tell everybody, treat your body like you already have cancer.
Get lots of sleep. Use lots of spices when you cook. Certain
spices have anti-cancer properties like tumeric and rosemary.
You just have to become an advocate for your own health.
Rick: OK now you mentioned eating whole foods
when we are eating.
Christina: Cooking from scratch. That means
no fast food and no processed food, and eating lower on the
food chain. Because the higher you go up in the food chain when
you get to animals, that is where the radiation will be concentrated.
Rick: Won't there be radiation on fresh vegetables
Christina: Yes, from fallout, and what you
do and what I do and have been doing for a year is when you
get home from the grocery store, you wash all your fruit and
vegetables, and you put baking soda in the water that you are
washing them with, just a couple of table spoons, and let it
soak for about 20 minutes, and then just rinse everything off
and put it away, and I notice when my kids go to grab food that
it is all clean. Because I have measured radiation on Romaine
lettuce from California, in fact I bought celery the other
day that was mutated and I sent it to a researcher, and I said
"Here, I thought I was doing good eating salad all the
time, look at the celery," and the celery had an obvious
mutation on the bottom of the stock. She wrote me back and said
that the people in Chernobyl told her that they only ate food
that grew underneath the ground like potatoes and carrots and
beets to limit their exposure. I men, that is pretty drastic.
But you want to start thinking of becoming more of a vegetarian
than maybe you already are. Eating more plants. Our bodies are
more adapted to eating plants anyway. There is a really good
book by Michael Pollan called In
Defense of Food
that talks about why plants are good for you anyway. But now
in terms of the radiation uptake it is the best way to go. I
had steaks today for lunch, but it is probably the only time
I will eat meat this month. I do it kind of special occasions
now, where we used to eat meat two or three or four times a
Rick: I have shared with my radio audience
in the past year not only did I stop drinking milk, but I have
pretty much cut out all meat, and now I am looking back, and
I am realizing, I am understanding why this feeling, this impression
came on me a year ago to become a vegetarian. To eat more raw
food. To do away with dairy products. It did not make sense
to me because I have never been that interested in being a vegan,
but all of a sudden that thought came on me. My wife went in
that direction. But I was not connecting it to Fukushima until
recently. What about our exposure to rain?
Christina: Well, I actually last summer, and
this was before when I was just researching Fukushima, and I
didn't think about this really until a few weeks later my dog
ran away during a thunder storm, and I was out in the rain trying
to chase him down, and it was me and two dog catchers. And we
all got soaked. When I got back to my house I had a rash all
over my arms. I thought, "That is really strange. I did
not run through the bushes or anything like that." I took
a shower, and I took benadryl,
and the next day I was fine. About month after that my daughter
got caught in the rain, and she actually got a burn on her skin.
And we took her to a Japanese dermatologist, we found out that
the radiation levels in that rain storm were about ten times
over background. They were measured in a city just north of
me, and they did a biopsy of the area and said that she had
a burn, but they could not test her to see if it was caused
by radioactive particles. So I started doing fallout forecasts,
and talking to some researchers and some atmospheric experts
about what they have determined, what they have learned from
atmospheric testing that was done in the 60's, and how fallout
occurs. And we used to have a civil defense department which
was broken up into DHS and FEMA, when we did away with it, but
all their research is still online. They did extensive research
on how fallout comes down in the rain. It floats around in a
very dynamic part of our atmosphere called the troposphere,
and that is where all of our storms are generated out of. The
rain, there is an electrical charge to these particles that
attracts them to snow, and forms around them in rain and brings
them down to the ground. So rain is the most dangerous time
to get exposed. You should be avoiding all rainfall, but if
you do get wet, all you have to do is take a shower and use
baking soda. [Editor's Note: According to radiation expert Leuren
Moret and others, radioactive nanoparticles carried in rain
droplets can go right through the skin layer into the body,
so one really must avoid getting wet from rain at all costs].
Use baking soda when you take a shower because baking soda is
what the military uses to decontaminate soldiers in wartime
or or when they are exposed to any kind of bomb test in the
past. Baking soda and bentonite clay, which is a component of
kitty litter that you can actually buy in adjustable kind, actually
binds to the radioactive particles, and neutralizes them. Some
people ingest baking soda as like an anti-cancer treatment.
Rick: In the shower you are just putting baking
soda on you and just using it --
Christina: Yes, you are just mixing it in with
your soap or like if your kids take a bath, putting like a cup
or two in the bathwater with them.
Rick: Does it neutralize the radiation or does
it absorb it, what's it doing? [30:21]
Christina: It neutralizes it. [Editor's Note:
She probably means it gets bound so that it can get washed away.
How does one "neutralize" a heavy metal radionuclide
like Cesium-134 that has a half life of 30 years, or certain
isotopes of uranium that have a half life of 4.5 billion years?].
And it is very inexpensive. You can get a huge box at Costco
for like $30 that will last you a year. I wash all my vegetables
in it. I wash all my pets in it when they get a bath. My kids
use it because they are all in college. They are walking back
and forth to class and so forth, so occasionally when they get
caught in the rain, as soon as they come home, they just take
a shower and use some baking soda to decontaminate, because
we don't want anyone to get a burn like my daughter.
Rick: Is there scientific evidence that baking
soda has this effect on the radiation?
Christina: Yes, it is what the military uses.
You can search it online. There is all kinds of documentation.
They use it to decontaminate soil also, but it is not good for
using in your garden because it changes the PH of the soil.
So what they recommend there is mixing clay, if you are growing
vegetables outside, that you mix in clay, calcium and magnesium
and potassium-based fertilizer, so your plants will uptake that
instead of radiation or radioactive particles.
Rick:: How do we filter our drinking water?
Christina: The best way, you can go low cost
or high cost. Low cost, and probably a lot of you in Florida
do this already, is buying your water from the grocery store
from that reverse osmosis machine.
Christina: It is like twenty two cents a gallon
if you bring your own container and it is run through a series
of filters, activated carbon binds to radioactive particles,
and neutralizes them also. [Editor's Note: Actually, as radioactive
particles increase in concentration when bound to carbon filters,
one begins to create radioactive "nuclear waste" that
needs to be disposed of at an appropriate site]. So you can
use like a Brita
pitcher at home, because they detected radiation in our
water supply back when Fukushima first started, and I haven't
seen any recent tests. I have a company that is building a gamma
spectrometer and scintillator
for me, for doing food, water, soil, and rain tests, because
the equipment is like $15,000 a machine.
Rick: But you would also need filters on your
Christina: Yes, and that would be the high
cost option if you got a system for your house. It is called
a reverse osmosis. A lot of people that have well water have
these. It is almost like a hot water tank, but it fits under
your sink, and that is what everyone in Tokyo is using now too,
and it filters all the water in your house. Because it is difficult
to lug these gallons of water back and forth from the grocery
Rick: Christina, going back to the Reactor
Number Four nightmare scenario, and this kind of catastrophic
event happens, and people in the Northern Hemisphere are ordered
to stay indoors for months. What about the food supply on the
outside when this emergency is over, what are people going to
Christina: Well, that is a good question. Anything
that was packaged before that happened. The best food right
now if you can still find food that was packaged prior to before
Fukushima happening, prior to March 11, 2011. I have had no
problems finding it in my area. In fact if you go to wholesale
grocery stores you can find that more easily than you can at
your regular [stores], [where] they have a lot of turnover of
Rick: So the place, we now want to go to stores
and say, "I want your old food." I do not want anything
new, I want the oldest stuff you have got.
Christina: Yes, everything that I have that
is packaged prior to Fukushima is good until 2014 that I have
right now. I have a couple of sources that people gave me for
ordering tea that is pre-Fukushima, and salmon, and things like
that. So I have used some of that. But because I am mitigating
and I am taking supplements and living really healthy I am not
quite as worried about like what I am eating as much as I am
my kids, because children are much more profoundly affected
by exposure to radiation than adults, and my kids are older,
but little kids, especially, this is a big concern for it because
they are a hundred times more susceptible. If they are in a
growing stage, where their cells are still dividing, and infants
are about a thousand times more susceptible. So it is very dangerous
for babies. Especially like for people who are mixing formula.
They should not be using tap water, because boiling it does
not remove radiation.
Rick: From time to time people have mentioned
the Apocalyptic scenario of what is commonly referred to as
Rick: Could that be taking place right now?
Do you think there is a possibility a China syndrome is actually
Christina: Well, China syndrome, and Japan
is actually referred to as Argentina syndrome because that is
the antipode of Japan, whereas China is our antipode here. They
made a movie about that, a famous movie, and it is only really
in theory. They have never had a disaster like Fukushima. In
Kaku spoke out again about two weeks ago he was interviewed
on a radio station. We play a portion of that interview on Nuked
Radio where he said that the melted nuclear fuel in Reactor
Two and possibly in Reactor Three is liquefied uranium. And
that has never been seen before in the history of nuclear power.
So no one really knows what is going on under those plants.
You know, our military has ground penetrating radar, optical
coherence tomography, and HAARP, and all kinds of things
and they could be looking under those plants. But no one has
told us where the corium is, researchers from Kyoto University
have estimated it is about 30 to 40 feet under the plants by
now. But because it is liquefied we just don't know what it
is doing. It is basically going into a feast and famine cycle
where it starts fissioning, it releases radioactive steam and
isotopes, and then it calms itself down, it shuts down its reaction,
and then the reaction starts up again. This is happening for
the last 14 months now. Generally what the thought was, because
they have only examined very tiny amounts of corium in that
stage in a lab, those blobs of corium under each reactor of
melted fuel weigh about a 150 tons and there is three of them.
So they really don't know. China syndrome was supposedly the
theory that it would continue to burn its way all the way to
the center of the earth. What it seems from the lab experiments
that they have done with corium in its lava form, is that it
would gradually pick up dirt and rock and other materials that
would help stabilize it, and eventually it would shut itself
down, but how far it would get in the ground before that, nobody
Rick: This is unbelievable.
Christina: It is unbelievable. It is extremely
difficult to wrap your mind around the situation, especially
when no one has told you about it or paid attention to it. I
feel bad for people who are just finding out about this and
saying "My God, this whole time I could have been doing
this." You know it is never too late to start being an
advocate for your own health and doing some research.
Rick: What worries you the most? What would
you be concerned about that you are going to wake up some morning
and hear in the news? What do you expect would be the absolute
worst case scenario?
Christine: Well the worst case would be if
the Reactor 4 fell, and it started a fission event where it
set off, and they had to evacuate the plant, because the radiation
levels would be so high that people can't be there. You know
they are dumping all this water on the reactors right now, and
they have hundreds of people working at this plant. If they
need to evacuate and no one is monitoring these other reactors
then they could all go into like a further heating situation
and we could have some kind of explosion over there. My biggest
fear is that people in the Pacific Northwest won't know about
it, because I don't know if the government or the news would
even cover that story. That is what is so upsetting for my own
family, and we have plans. We plan to go to Florida if that
happens. I have friends in Tampa that we are prepared to take
all our pets and drive down there and stay for a few weeks until
we can assess the situation and see when it is safe to come
back up here.
Rick: Where are you located?
Christina: I live in southeast Michigan
Rick: You are in Michigan. Well I guess I should
feel somewhat comforted that you would head to Florida where
I am at. It is troubling for me that this disaster is underway.
Do you think Japan is lost, is it finished?
Christina: I think northern Japan at this point
is going to need to be evacuated, and probably Tokyo, and it
probably should have been evacuated a long time ago. When Arnie
Gundersen, this gentleman from Fairewinds was in Tokyo recently
for the one year anniversary of the earthquake, he took samples
from five random locations around Tokyo. He took soil samples
and brought them back and had them tested. They all came back
as high as a radioactive waste would be in the U.S.
Rick: Where do you evacuate Tokyo to?
Christina: That is a good question. There are
some talks going on, possibly evacuate the people to the Kurile
Islands, which Japan gave to Russia in the past as part of the
World War II agreement.
Rick: But Tokyo's population is what? 23 million?
Christina: No, it is 35 million people.
Rick: 35 million people. I have heard some
people suggest that these brand new empty cities in China may
have to receive the Japanese people.
Christina: Yes, that has also been discussed
as an option a long time ago, actually. You know there is a
lot of people who have left Tokyo and they have moved with their
children and one spouse has stayed behind to work.
Rick: We are talking about the end
of a nation.
Christina: Yes. Which I think
is part of a reason why I think from a global economic perspective
is why it is not being talked about. It is a very serious situation
that is going to have very serious ramifications for Japan.
Rick: And the other thing that could happen
is that some event like Reactor Four collapsing, we could have
a sudden cancellation of all air flights. All commercial airliners
could be grounded for months.
Rick: There would be no transportation in the
Christina: Yes. If anyone who is in a position
is lucky enough to be in a position where they could evacuate
to the Southern Hemisphere, I would recommend doing it the second
that you hear that something has happened to that reactor, because
you won't be able to fly once the fallout gets here. It is very
unlikely once you get to South America they would send you back,
knowing the situation from the fallout. But I don't know if
they will be letting people in.
Rick: I think if you are going to go, you have
to go now.
Rick: Either you won't be able to get there,
or if you got there they won't let you in. Christina, we are
going to have you back on in the future, we are out of time.
Christina Consolo, host of Nuked Radio. The web site Fukushima
Facts. Christina, thank you so much for the work you are doing,
I really appreciate it. I really do. I thank you for the outstanding
work that you are doing. We will call on you in the future to
keep our radio audience informed about this ongoing global disaster.
This could be the destruction of the Northern Hemisphere. Folks,
I am not exaggerating. I am not being a drama queen. This may
be one of the worst catastrophes in the history of the planet.
Christina, thank you so much for being on TruNews today.
Christina: Thanks for having me.