Interview Transcript

Editor's Note: This transcription provided
by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books
is reasonably but not completely accurate for research purposes.
He has supplied corrections or comments made inside brackets.

Ms. Christina Consolo: Thank you so much for being here with us today. We really appreciate it.
Ms. "Milky the Clown": Yes, we are both delighted.
Dr. Chris Busby: OK, well I hope I can be of some use.
Christina: Those of us who follow the Fukushima disaster have grown to understand the enormous implications for mankind, from the threat of nuclear power, but we have only just begun to grasp these implications, you however, have been researching and teaching about this for a long time. What was your initiation into this field originally?
Dr. Busby: Well I was living up on a mountain with my family at the time of the Chernobyl accident in Wales, and a lot of the radioactivity rained down in May of that year. Everyone was saying how safe it was. I mean the first thing the government said was how safe it is was. I did have a bit of an idea about the effects of radiation, because one of the reasons we moved to Wales was in order to avoid being bombed by the Russians. At that time everybody thought there was going to be massive nuclear war. So we decided to go somewhere where we might be a bit safer. So I had a bit of an idea what was going on, and of course it was quite clear that this was all a pack of lies. So I got involved then in the idea of looking at how radioactivity could affect people, because I had worked in the pharmaceutical industry, and I had done physiology and pharmacology. I have worked at a molecular level on the biology of the cell, you know. So I had a kind of physical chemistry approach to it, which was at that time was entirely missing, and actually to a large extent it was still missing. And this is essentially the difference between the current risk model that there is and the one that my colleagues and I have developed over the last twenty years. It is looking at radioactivity from the point of view of biological systems and chemistry rather than looking at it from the point of view of physics
Christina: You basically began your research studying something that had never been studied before.
Dr. Busby: Well not in the way I was studying it. I mean it had certainly been studied before. The health effects of radiation had been studied for the whole of the last century, certainly since from about 1925, and after 1952 it began to be studied a lot because there was a lot of nuclear weapons testing. People were concerned, quite rightly, actually, that the fallout of Strontium 90, plutonium, and Cesium 137 and all that stuff was raining down on them in the period of around 1959 to 1963 when the Russians and the United States were doing these big megaton tests, people were concerned that might be harming them. And they were quite right, it was harming them. But of course the authorities, the military and so on, they wanted to continue to do the testing, you see. So they took control of the research into the health effects of radiation, and they kind of had control of it ever since up until the mid-90's when we started to make an impact. And that is how it all happened. So they had already got a model, which they used and still use, which is a Philips-based model [Editor's Note: I am making a guess that Dr. Busby is referring to Philips Radiation Oncology systems, but will not know for sure until I have had a chance to check with him]. But where we came in was to look at it from the point of view of chemistry and biology. And that was new then, but it is not new now.
Christina: Do any of your children or family work in this field as well?
Dr. Busby: Well, my eldest daughter helped me a lot. She is actually a social anthropologist, but she studied natural sciences at Cambridge. When I was first looking into this after Chernobyl in about 1987, she was just up there. She did two years of natural sciences. They all did sciences at school, so they concentrated on science. I kind of think that science is important. I think that mathematical analysis of the world is very valuable, because too many people can just wave their arms and say, "Oh yes, this is good" or "This is bad." "This is very big" or "This is very small." You have to have some kind of ability to deal with numbers in order to investigate and find the truth. Of course you can take it too far. Anyway so yes, that daughter helped me, but my second daughter, she became an epidemiologist. In fact, she studied the health effects of radiation for her MSc at Imperial College. So now she is a quite well-known epidemiologist. Quite famous one, you can find her on the Internet. So yes, the two of them did help a bit, yes.
Christina: There is a couple of questions that I ask everyone that I interview. One is, what were your thoughts when you first heard about Fukushima, and when did you realize we were in big trouble.
Dr. Busby: More or less from the beginning. I mean I first heard about it because the woman who lives in the house I have got here sent me a text message to say that something had happened there and there had been some explosion. I was in France at the time. I have always been lucky or maybe unlucky, or certainly fortuitously in the right place at the right time. So I was just coming back from France through London when I heard about this. I was in London on the first day after the explosion, and then BBC phoned me up and said "We need somebody to talk about this." So I was right there at the beginning. And of course from the beginning it was quite clear to me that this was a similar sort of incident to Chernobyl. I mean you don't have an explosion at a nuclear power station which is safe. It is not possible. And then when I learned more about the kind of explosion, of course they were saying it was a hydrogen explosion. But then they said that Chernobyl was a hydrogen explosion. And all of the pro-nuclear scientists came out of their boxes to say how safe it was. A string of these people coming out on the television and radio saying "There is no problem." But it was quite clear to me that there was a big problem. I did not know how big, but I quickly figured out that it was very big, and then I just started to say how big it was. I thought it was probably comparable to Chernobyl from the very beginning, and it turns out that it was. In fact it is worse in a way, because there are far more people living close by. I mean Chernobyl was in an area where there is not a huge population density, but the map of Japan has a very big population density. A lot more people who are exposed
Christina: Dr. Busby, where do you think the corium is and what is it doing?
Dr. Busby: The corium, what is the corium? I mean, you are talking about the molten mass inside the core of the reactors, is that what they call corium? Is that what you mean?
Christina: Yes. Michio Kaku [spelling] had stated two months ago that at Reactor Two, the corium is now liquefied, something that has never happened before in the history of nuclear power. But this means it would have to be 5,000 degrees or hotter. Arnie Gundersen has talked about --
Dr. Busby: Yes, I think about 3,800, 4,000, or something like that. It certainly has got to that temperature, in my opinion, and has probably has melted through the reactor pressure vessel, in my opinion. It is probably somewhere down in the ground. Russia Today told me they had evidence at some time people were saying that there are big cracks appearing in the ground, steam was coming out, and the radioactivity was very high when they got close to measure it around about that time. You know, we don't know, but my guess is that it is through the reactor pressure vessel and into the ground. Then what it will do is it will spread out until it gets to a sort of a self-limiting point. So there will be a lot of heat being generated, but it will generally cool itself as it spreads out. And then it will be contaminating the ground water. I think that is probably where we are at the moment. It will still be fissioning, of course, so there will be loads of stuff coming out. I think we know that because there were some measurements made of Xenon isotopes that have very short half lives. When was that? That was about Christmas time. To be honest, I have not really followed it very closely. I have got a lot of other things to do. I am dealing with stuff in Europe at the moment in uranium, and this and that, you know, so I have more or less said what I have to say about Fukushima. And it seemed to me that an awful lot of people are looking at it now, and I could relax slightly and get on with other stuff. I get hundreds of emails all the time, telling me about, you know, blow by blow account about what is happening out there, and I just can't deal with all of them, you know. I just scan them them through very quickly and pick out the odd one that seems interesting, And I think if something serious happens someone will get in touch with me, and that usually is the case.
Christina: I read that the corium underground would gradually pick up dirt and cool and shut itself down, but the fact is that we are pouring salt water on these reactor cores perpetuating a continuous reaction, kind of like a sodium reactor.
Dr. Busby: Well, one thing if you pour salt water on them continuously is you create a much more volatile form of uranium, because the halides of uranium get reactions in principle taking taking place there which would cause the uranium to become more volatile. There was an awful lot of uranium there. I agree with you, whoever said that, that it would distribute itself until it cools slightly. It will cool slightly, it is not going to go to the point where it will cool down like where you can put your hand on it or anything. We are still talking about a horribly high temperature. There are lots of volatile radionuclides in all of that which will evaporate. I mean, one serious one that no one has looked at or measured, except me, is Lead 210. Now Lead 210 is a natural radionuclide decay product, Radium 226 which is a decay product of uranium. And Lead 210 has a daughter Polonium 210, which is an alpha emitter, which is the one where they killed that spy Litvinenko. Now lead is very, very volatile, so at the temperature that the core is, it is quite likely that it would vaporize all the lead and this will have distributed itself all over the area. I certainly measured it in Tokyo. I think I put out recently, I think Ms. Milky the Clown put out, copied it quickly, but they found Lead 210 in this air conditioning filter in Tokyo. Quite a lot of it, so that is quite a serious nuclide, that one.
Christina: This question came from Daniel Alvodi [sp?]. Is there a possibility of the corium causing an interaction of epic magnitude such as a hydrovolcanic explosion?
Dr. Busby: Will it go bang? I don't know. We are totally in new territory here. I wouldn't like to say what would happen. All I can give you is sort of a basic physical chemist approach to what I think is likely. I don't think it is likely there will be any serious explosion. I think that what is most likely is that it will continually contaminate the environment more or less forever, unless somehow you can isolate it by getting underneath it or around it at a low enough level so that whatever goes on there to cool it can not wash the radionuclides out into to sea. Otherwise all of that stuff will slowly corrode and get washed out into the sea, and then it will contaminate the whole coast. It seems to me that is the most likely scenario. The idea that it suddenly is going to go bang, I think is increasingly remote. I think that if it was going to do that, it would have probably done it by now. You see, the only way it will go bang is if there is some kind of critical fission. That would depend upon increasing what we call the F number above one point naught [1.0]. I can't see really how that could happen because it has distributed itself down into the ground and spread out. It doesn't seem likely that could happen. I think what happened originally was it got hot enough to vaporize the plutonium. You see in these reactors there is always plutonium. In Reactor 3 there was plutonium they put in there in the first place, and plutonium has a lower boiling point to uranium. So in principle of you heat the thing up high enough, the plutonium comes off first much like fractional distillation of oil,. So as the plutonium comes off, you condense into a cooler part of whatever it is coming into, the pressure vessel I guess, or whatever it is, and you only need about 9 kilograms of plutonium to have a critical mass. So that could then explode and blow everything up in the air. I think that is probably what happened with Reactor 3. But it is hard to see how that could happen naturally, with it having melted out and dispersed into the soil. It is hard to see, but I wouldn't say it is impossible. I don't know enough about it. I have no idea what is really going on there, and I don't think anybody could ever sort of do this kind of experiment. [13:33]
Christina: If you had complete control over the site and money was no object how would you contain Fukushima?
Dr. Busby: Yes, yes, OK, good question. I tell you what I would do. I would -- well, there were two ideas I had. One was to blow it into the sea with shaped charges, the sea by the harbor, but I think it is too late for that now. The problem is it is extraordinarily radioactive so you can't get close to it. Robots won't work, and you can't put men in there. Anyway if you could, you don't have the men who would go in there. The Russians put men in there and they went in there and they did what they had to do. I don't think the Japanese, I mean there were thousands and thousands of liquidators who went in there and sorted out the Russian one. So I think what you have to do is kind of leave it where it is. Isolate it from the environment, and the only way to do that is to dig a number of concentric trenches around the site. So you would have to dig around the site deep enough to go below anywhere where the water is likely to seep underneath your trench, and then fill those trenches up with nonflammable concrete or something, line them. Any water then that is washed into the reactor you are using to cool it, would then rush into these trenches, and then you would take this water and pump it back in and recirculate it all the time until it becomes highly radioactive. You can reduce that radioactivity by filtration or by precipitation or whatever, lots of chemistry. And you have to do that more or less forever. It would have to become a sort of like a permanent engine for keeping it cool, and isolating it from the environment. That is all that I can think of doing. Apart from that I can not think of anything, and I think even that probably would not work perfectly, but it is better than anything else. This is a kind of a best shot. I can't see that there is any way of dismantling it in such a way that you can pull this out of it and separate them and make it safe. I can't see how that could be done, but then this is just me. I am not a reactor engineer, I am just a physical chemist.
Christina: I don't know if you can answer this, but can frequency contain or neutralize radiation? Could a large scale frequency array be built around Fukushima to contain the releases, kind of like Farraday --.
Dr. Busby: No, you couldn't, no. I mean, this is just impossible. There is no physics that would underpin such a thing. An awful lot of people who do sort of science fiction approaches to radiation, but they are a bit on the same level as the Russians' idea that you can save yourself from radiation by drinking vodka. Ionizing radiation is like fundamental physical reality, which cannot be dealt with apart from hiding from it or shielding oneself from it, that's it, but nothing you can do. There is no frequency that can deal with it.
Christina: Dr. Busby what do you think are the long term health ramifications for Canada. Should we only be concerned about the Pacific Ocean contamination and the tsunami debris, or will we continue to be hit with atmospheric fallout if the plant continues.
Dr. Busby: What you have to realize is that you were hit with an awful lot of atmospheric fallout at the time of the weapons testing in 1959 to 1963. A lot of people in Canada died as a result of that. A lot of cancer increase, a lot of infant mortality, because there is a lot of rain and snow in Canada and a lot of it came down there. This is not as bad as that. [Editor's Note: Please see the "Reactions" section which follows this interview. Quite a few highly astute individuals who have been monitoring radiation across America believe we remain in an extremely serious civil defense emergency in which continuing fallout radiation levels and the long term dangers of bioaccumulation in the food chain dwarf anything that was experienced during bomb testing. America has been experiencing "excess deaths" according to EPA statistics, widespread plant mutations and animal deaths, and "hot rains" many multiples of hazardous evacuation standards that are off the charts compared to anything that this country has ever experienced before]. So what has happened in Fukushima, and of course there is not a lot of stuff coming out of it now. Most of what is going to come out has landed on Canada, and actually it wasn't an awful lot. I have looked quite closely at this. I have looked at the weather patterns. I have looked at the measurements, and people have sent me samples, because I was concerned about this. There are a lot of people driving around with geiger counters, measuring radioactivity. An awful lot of that radioactivity is from radon, I have to say, OK. So when people wipe down their wind screens and say "Oh, ah, it is terribly high, the radioactivity" and they think it all is coming from Fukushima, all this cover-up or whatever, I think it is not. I think that the evidence as far as I can tell, I know about this because I do a lot of measurements myself, is that there is not a lot of stuff coming now from Fukushima. And probably at the beginning there was some, but it was nothing like the quantity that came from the weapons fallout. So I don't think you need to worry too much about it, unless of course I am wrong and the whole thing blows up, you know. I guess there is a finite chance of that. Something strange could happen. It could all melt down and then filter into a little hole in the rock, and then become concentrated in some way and then there could be a nuclear explosion, but if it is just distributed into the ground I don't think that will happen. So I don't think you need to worry too much about it. The Pacific ocean will become contaminated. The fish will be contaminated. Of course you get the salmon, you get fishing on the West Coast of Canada, and shell fish, and the coasts will become contaminated, but it will not be as contaminated as it was from the weapons fallout. So I don't think this is the end of the world everybody is saying. I think it is just like one more nail in the coffin. I have to say I think the weapons fallout, and the nuclear reactors and the uranium mining in Canada, very serious, that is, dust going everywhere, and the particles from Iraq and Afghanistan floating around the world, these are probably just as serious and everything adds up and adds up and adds up, so what we are seeing is the death of the genetic structure of the human race and all life. But is is not just Fukushima, you know. It is everything. They are adding and adding and adding and adding. It is very, very serious. It is terrifying.
Christina: This question came from D. Wolcoff [spelling?]. When do you expect the brunt of ocean contamination to hit Hawaii?
Dr. Busby: I think it already has. I can't see that it is going to get a lot worse than it is now. But I don't know. I haven't followed, the currents generally go up north as far as I can make out. They go up north along the coast of Japan, and then they come around in a circle and go down again, but then the fish swim against the currents. I mean, I couldn't say. I certainly know the particles have got to Hawaii, because we have measured them there. So the aerial contamination has gone to Hawaii, but it is not very large. It is not a huge amount. My concern is the uranium particles and the plutonium particles, my guess is those are the [unintelligible], but as far as the water is concerned, I don't know. I would have thought whatever is going to get there has got there.
Christina: This question came from Kim Laffly [spelling?], do you feel from some of the car filter tests that the West Coast cities of Seattle, Portland, San Francisco or L.A. may be unsafe to be doing outdoor activities.
Dr. Busby: OK, well I have actually looked at car filters from Japan, and the alpha activity in the car filters from Japan is not that great. There is an awful lot of Cesium 137, there was a lot of Lead 210, there is some uranium 235, and probably some plutonium, and I wouldn't have thought by the time you get 2,000 miles away, I know it is downwind, but the concentrations I think on the West Coast of America are not hugely high, in fact I have looked at filters, I have had two filters from Los Angeles, I have had two filters from Vancouver, and I have looked at both of those and have not found anything much at all, so I wouldn't be too worked up about that, no. You see, luckily for you, well you know, luckily for the United States and for the continent, it is a very, very long way from Japan, and the winds generally go north and come down. They go up over the Arctic and then come down. So some of that stuff has come down into Sweden, come into Baltic States, into Denmark, and of course it has come down the coast into the United States. In fact it has gone down even further. It all depends on the directions of the wind. Some of it of course got to California for sure, but not a huge amount, you know. No need for you to go to the bomb shelter and lock yourself in. It is not as bad as that. It was much, much worse during the nuclear weapons testing. So I hope I could give some kind of assurance to all these people who are freaking out. I don't think it is as bad as a lot of people are saying. There is a lot, too much panicking going on. As far as the Japanese are concerned, they should be panicking, absolutely. Because it is sort of a local affair.
Christina: This question came from Samuel Dal Pizzol in Brazil, what are your feelings about using cannabis for radiation protection, or cancer prevention?
Dr. Busby: Well, I think it might make you happy, and happiness we know is quite good for cancer prevention. But that would be the only way. I mean, if you want to prevent yourself from getting cancer, then you have to reduce the level of exposure to mutagens, substances that cause mutation. You should take lots of anti-oxidants like Selenium, which generates anti-oxidants and various other things. Vitamin C and that kind of thing. Cannabis, I think no, in fact there is some evidence that smoking cannabis causes an increase in throat cancer, so it probably is not a good thing to smoke cannabis. I mean, I guess you could eat it. I don't think it does any harm if you eat it, but certainly if you smoke it you are likely to increase your risk of getting certain types of cancer, larynx cancer of the throat and esophagus and that kind of thing. But that is not from the cannabis, that is from the tar and from the radionuclides that are in the tobacco leaves, many natural ones. Radium and polonium, those are man-made ones.
Christina: I think most of the people that use it for medicinal purposes use it with a vaporizer or they ingest it.
Dr. Busby: Yes, sure, I don't think that would do them any harm. I mean, I only get drawn into arguments about whether cannabis is good for you or not. Some people say it is not good for you. Some say that it has long term effects on your thinking. And certainly, I mean I come from the cannabis generation, you know. Most of my mates when I was younger were hippies who used to smoke themselves until they were stupid and man-manning [spelling?] all the time passing the joint. I never got into it really myself. But you know, it made them happy, they used to smile a lot. Most of them are still alive, if they are it is not because of cannabis [laughter]. So you know live and let live, or live and let smoke, or whatever. I have to say that smoking cigarettes and also smoking dope is not good for you. It will do in your throat and affect your heart and no question about that. My colleagues who look at genomic instability have found that smoking tobacco causes a big increase in chromosome aberrations, chromosome damage, and so on. That is going to affect your capillaries, your heart, going to affect your circulation, your ability to breathe, all that stuff you know, and it is going to do in your brain a bit, slightly too. Actually if your brain is very active it might be a good idea to knock it down a bit, you know, or otherwise you start getting scared. I mean I think too much, much of the time. I don't smoke dope, I stopped it.
Christina: Do you have a plan for relocation to the Southern Hemisphere if something happened to the spent fuel pool of Reactor 4?
Dr. Busby: No, I don't think that is necessary. But if something really bad happened to the spent fuel pool and it went off bang, then I think I might have to think about what I am going to do. I have to tell you that I spent most of my life worrying about nuclear war. Now nuclear war is a completely different order of magnitude compared to Fukushima. I mean if there were a nuclear war, you would really be in trouble. You would have to be really careful about relocating to the Southern Hemisphere. Fukushima not such a big deal, because you see, you are not going to get a 10 megaton explosion out of Fukushima. You might get a nuclear explosion, but I don't think it would be a very efficient one. So there would be an enormous bang, and it would blow all sorts of radioactive crap up into sky, but it would not blow it through the stratosphere. It would have to go out 20 kilometers, something like that, a long way out, to 50,000 feet anyway, to get into the stratosphere, and then it starts to go around the stratosphere in circulation and land on everybody. So I think if it went up, it would mostly land in the Pacific. It would finish off quite a large fraction of Southeast Asia. But I think probably where I am in Wales, or if I am in France or Latvia or wherever I happen to be, it is not such a big deal. So it would just be a question of hanging about until the fast radioisotopes decayed away, which is about a month or so. And then it is business as usual. The business in this case as usual is the slow destruction of the earth. I mean if there is any message that I should give tonight to the people listening, it is that we really do have to stop nuclear pollution. In fact, it might already be a bit too late. We have got fertility problems, we have got genetic damage problems, we have lost species, we have lots of really, really awful things. There are no birds. All the different birds are gone, it is really serious, really serious. But it is not just Fukushima. It is the whole package. I have got a boat, anyway, so if it gets too bad, I will sail my boat south. [Laughter].
Christina: We recently learned in the last few days about the butterfly studies. Irregularities were found in eye development, malformed wings going back to May of 2011. A biologist stated that the study is overwhelming in its implications for humans, and another said it is a pretty clear indication that something has gone wrong in the ecosystem. What does this butterfly study tell us from your perspective?
Dr. Busby: This is nothing new. After Chernobyl there is a woman named Cornelia Hesse-Honegger who was a scientific illustrator, and she traveled all over Europe, to nuclear reactors and places like Chernobyl finding mutated bugs and drawing them. She made a huge great book. You can find a lot of her pictures on the Internet. Hess-Honegger, a very nice woman, very clever. So that was after Chernobyl. So now we are seeing the same thing after Fukushima. Everything that happened after Chernobyl you will find after Fukushima. It is exactly the same. In fact we published a book called Fukushima: What to Expect which is based on what we discovered after Chernobyl. The real problem is that everybody knows this, but no one can do anything about it. I mean, I go to conferences all over the world. Recently I was in Geneva, and then I was in Vilnez [spelling?], I have been in Stockholm, just in this last year. All of the people like yourselves and scientists, they come along and say "We have this mutated bug, and look at these people who are dying." Recently my colleague [Dr.] Hagen Scherb was able to show using mathematical statistics that after Chernobyl and also after the weapons fallout in the '60's, there was a displacement of the proportion of boys born to the proportion of girls, which is called the sex ratio. It has been absolutely constant in the human populations. The number of boys born to the number of girls, 1,050 boys to every 1,000 girls. A standard statistical indicator of genetic health. And after radiation it was perturbed. After Chernobyl it changed. After the weapons fallout it changed. After living near nuclear power stations it changed, and you will find that it changes after Fukushima as well. And what that means, although it might seem rather arcane, what it means is that millions of boys have died. Millions of girls have died, depending on which way the sex ratio changes. It depends on whether the father has been more irradiated than the mother. But it means that we are really perturbing the genetic integrity of planet earth, and that is why we are getting mutated flies and mutated roses. And then there was that famous bunny with no ears. But all that stuff we found out after Chernobyl, animals with no heads and the works. And of course nobody can have babies now. My friend here, Pakistani friend said when his friends go back to Pakistan and marry young women and want to raise a family, they can't. They can't have babies. They have tried for years and years and they can't have babies. When I was young you just had to shake a woman's hand and she would have a baby. It mean it just doesn't happen any more. I was on the underground in London at the Tube, and there was an advertisement there for women over 30 to have free IVS treatment, women over 40, they are giving free IVS treatment to that to flush all your eggs out to make sure they get one that works. It is terrifying.
Christina: I have learned that fasciation is quite rare in nature, but not around nuke plant accidents, and when we put out a call for images to the public at large, we received hundreds of images sent to us from the U.S. and Canada primarily from the West Coast, BC, and Alberta. Many of these people are avid gardeners who have grown their own produce for years. What they are seeing is very unusual. Have you had an opportunity to view some of these images from the States or from Canada, and are any of them similar? [33:02]
Dr. Busby: No, not really, no. I would caution people against drawing conclusions about Fukushima. I mean in epidemiology we are well aware that if you suddenly start to look for something then you are liable to find it, and then you might think that it is caused by whatever it is you think you are looking for. My message is that this is certainly happening. All these things are certainly happening. They will certainly be affected by Fukushima, but they are probably parts of a general process, which I believe is a result of the contamination of the planet with radionuclides. And people say, "Well what about the place of chemicals and this or that." I am not trying to suggest those things don't have an effect. But the primary effect is radiation, because chemicals get into the body, and they can be metabolized. They can't get to the DNA, because there is a whole battery of detoxification mechanisms to stop them from getting to the DNA. But the radiation can go straight to the DNA because it goes right through everything. The body is completely transparent to radiation. So the radiation can get to the DNA, and the chromosomal DNA is what defines all of us. Defines the plants, defines the fish, defines the insects, defines everything. And if you can smash that up, then you are going to get all these effects right across the board. And that is what we are doing, smashing them up. Because these stupid physicists have got this stupid theory that we can be mobile as a bag of water into which you put energy. They refuse to consider the chemistry, refuse to consider the biology, and now they even refuse to consider the massive evidence that they are wrong. Massive, massive evidence that they are wrong. But I tell you, there is a little bit of light on the horizon, and that is what I learned today that the Japanese parliament has actually passed a law to do with the development of nuclear energy. But inside it says the people who developed nuclear energy have to insure that people are safe using the risk model of the ECRR. That is formidable. That is actually a massive, massive change, because the risk model of the ECRR would not allow the sort of thing that is going on in Japan at the moment. [Pause]. So that is cause for applause, really.
Christina: Yes. This question came from Debbie Pinchon [spelling?]. Based upon your work in Fallujah, is there any ratio between fasciation of plants and that of birth defects in the human population?
Dr. Busby: Could you say that again, because you are fading in and out a bit.
Christina: Based on your work in Fallujah, is there is a ratio between fasciated plants and that of birth defects in human populations?
Dr. Busby: I don't know. I have not done any work on plants in Fallujah. I mean you would expect to find effects from radiation exposure in all systems. But actually the particular kind of radiation in Fallujah which is uranium particles, I think probably would not affect plants, because plants have a particularly good way of keeping uranium out. They have probably an exclusion mechanism in the root system. The French have done a lot of work on looking at the effects of uranium on plants. They found that you cannot contaminate a plant with uranium. The plant will keep it out, because it has some mechanism in the root system that keeps it out. So certainly not, in this case it is a particularly human epidemiology problem, as well, anyway. A mammalian epidemiology problem, because you have to have something to inhale the particles, and then they get into the blood stream, then they get to the chromosomes and get into the placenta, then get to the babies, and then they cause these deformities. .
Christina: Do you know personally of any scientists or engineers that are in the process of developing new technology, robots or otherwise, to deal with Fukushima, and does any of it seem hopeful or promising to you?
Dr. Busby: Right, OK. "No" is the answer to that. I think that all of the work that has been done with robots to try and sort out Chernobyl showed that it is impossible to use robots, because the problem is that the electronic systems that robots work on cannot sustain, they cannot function when the radiation fields get too high. When radiation impinges on a substance, on a new material, what it does is it creates electrons. That is called ionizing radiation. It is absorbed by the material and it ionizes the material, which means it kicks electrons out of the material. Now the problem is that robots work on electrons. Your computer works on electrons. All of these chips, all the old electronic chips that you people use, all work on electrons. You can't have a system with electrons being randomly kicked out all over the place because, you know, ultimately the whole thing gets scrambled. And that is what they found in Chernobyl, and they tried everything. The Germans had some very fancy robots, and then they tried robots from somewhere else. And they did their own robots, and none of the robots worked. They worked up to the point where they got up into the high radiation field, and then they just went mad. They just ran in circles and fell off the side. That is why in the end in Chernobyl they had to send men in. They called them "biorobots." They just pulled up 20,000 men from the reserve army list. They put roofing net around them, and sent them in to pick this stuff up with their bare hands and throw it over the side, and of course they all died. You won't hear that. The international nuclear industry says that nobody really died after Chernobyl except a few of the firemen right at the beginning. But there were an enormous number of people who died because the Russians sent in these young men. The young men just got huge radiation effects and then they mostly died before they were 40. But this won't happen in Japan, and the robots won't work. So as I say, you just have to dig around it, isolate it, and put up a big notice saying "mankind's folly" and keep it cool for a thousand years or however long it is.
Christina: The people that I know from Facebook and YouTube and the alternative media who are deeply immersed in the situation and understand its implications are very frustrated and very angry at our respective governments and agencies and the mainstream media for ignoring them. If you had a thousand people at your disposal that have Internet but no funding, how would you direct them to make a difference?
Dr. Busby: I know exactly what to do, as it happens. This is a problem we have had for some time, and I have thought about it for some time and I have figured out what to do. There is something we can do, in fact I am doing it in Europe at the moment. I launched this in Geneva, I figured it out last year. I went to a conference in Austria which was called by some people who were asking this exact question. It was the contents of the legal people, lawyers from various universities, eminent people, and there was a woman there from the College of William and Mary, Virginia, who had studied how you could use the law, human rights law in particular, to protect the environment. And it was not very difficult to convert her book on this, and the papers that she gave me, into a strategy. And this strategy I launched maybe about two weeks ago from Latvia. It can function in the European Union. The first stage of it can't function in the United States because there is a foot in the door in the European Union which is the EURATOM Convention. There was a big treaty called the EURATOM Treaty which was about collaboration and cooperation between European countries which was signed in the '60's. And as a result of this there is a document called a basic safety standards directorate. To cut this short, it is possible to petition the European Parliament to ask for a rejustification of the basic safety standards directive. And this is what we are doing. So any of of the people who are listening to this in Europe, if they don't know about it, should check out the web site called www.nuclearjustice.org, and this nuclearjustice.org consists of a number of scientists and jurist and experts and so on, including me, and we are going to use international human rights legislation to stop them. Now you can also do this in the United States, but the main thing is to start in Europe because it is a lot easier in Europe. In the United States what we would do is get these people to write a petition, asking the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in the U.S.A. and in Japan and whatever the equivalent is there or in Korea or China or wherever it is, and draw to their attention the fact that nuclear pollution contravenes all of the agreements, all of the national agreements on human rights, because one of the provisions of the human rights legal documentation, which has been signed up by almost every country, is that people have the right to live in an environment which is safe for their health. And so what you can do is ask them to justify the contamination of the environment under human rights legislation. Of course in Europe or many countries, if they say "No, we are not going to do that," then you can take it to the International Court of Justice. So that is one way that you can, and that is what I would suggest, I don't see any point in throwing yourselves in front of diggers, and all that, chaining yourself to nuclear power stations, and so forth. I mean it doesn't work. I mean it might be fun, but it doesn't work. You have got to take these people on legally.
Christina: What kind of response have you had since you started asking people to sign the petition?
Dr. Busby: Yes, well, everybody wants to do it. It is happening in August because that is when the European Parliament is on holiday. So all these petitions would pile up, then they come back in September, and they will have to deal with these petitions. Then we will have to see what happens. But I think it will be quite hard for them to ignore them, because there are going to be an awful lot of petitions from an awful lot of important people. No reason at all why people from the United cannot also write a petition to the European Parliament, I mean it would just add to the general mass of petitions, and they can't say, "Oh well, this is not a valued petition because the person lives in the United States." One of the clauses of the European petitions law, is that anybody who is resident in the country, that is to say just living there, you don't have to be a member, you don't have to be Russian, sorry, you don't have to be French, you just have to be someone who is living in France. So any people who are living in France or have lived in France or whatever, you know, or just pretending they are living in France, just put an address there,or for Sweden, or any of the countries of the European Union, can write to the petitions committee of the European Parliament. The address is given on the web site, [unintelligible] in Brussels. So look here, you know, they can download the petition. We have got a petition there which is a template, and we put all of the evidence in that their risk model is utter nonsense, and you just sign it, put your name on it, and send it to them. And if you happen to be some [unintelligible] who cares, it is one more piece of paper they have to look at
Christina: Dr. Busby, I have two more questions from the conspiracy realm, and then we want to open the floor to you at the end for anything that might be important to add.
Dr. Busby: All right, go on.
Christina: Have you seen anything compelling that would suggest that Fukushima was done on purpose or perpetuated by the Stuxnet virus?.
Dr. Busby: No. I haven't. I mean, that is not to say it wasn't. But I think if we are talking conspiracy, Chernobyl is much more likely to be a target for conspiracy. If you look into that, there are all sorts of very strange things that happened there, and also there would be quite a good reason for it too, because eventually, effectively it destabilized the Soviet Union, and led to the fall of the Soviet Union. So you can imagine lots of people who would want that to happen. But I really can't see any point in it. This is my concern about all of this conspiracy stuff. People have been telling me it was HAARP, that produced the tsunami, and all sorts of other biased stuff you are talking about. But I like to think what is the point of it all, you know. Why would anyone bother? So from that point of view I can't see any point. And from the other point of view I have not seen any evidence, no. It seems to me to be just a consequence of old reactors, bad design, and insufficient attention to detail and to security from the point of view of being inundated by the tsunami or shaken by an earthquake. That is good enough, really. I can't see that you would need to consider anything else. In fact that is even more terrifying, really. It mean, it is not that you have got a man blowing it up. But the fact that it could just happen, just because they failed to fix it properly, or did not build it properly in the first place or weigh about it properly is infinitely more terrifying, because there are a lot of other reactors where the same thing could happen all over the place.
Christina: Are you familiar with Agenda 21?
Dr. Busby: Yes, I was. I have been, yes.
Christina: This question comes from Ms. Milky and I ask other people on my show and I have had a variety of responses. Could leaking nuke plants, atmospheric testing, the spreading around of depleted uranium and uncontained melt-downs be part of the global depopulation agenda?
Dr. Busby: Could you repeat that because you are fading in and out again. I got half of it. Let's just make sure I understand it. Say again?
Christina: Could leaking nuke plants, atmospheric testing, the spreading around of depleted uranium and uncontained melt-downs be part of the global depopulation agenda?
Dr. Busby: Yes, good question. Yes, it is possible. Particularly with the uranium. I think the leaking nuke plants and all the other stuff, I don't that is on purpose, no. I think that is just stupidity. But when it comes to the uranium, I think that could be, yes. Especially given where it has been used. The thing is that these uranium weapons, are very good anti-tank weapons. They are being used all over the place in areas where there is no tanks. And so you have to ask the question "Why?" Well, I mean one answer is that you can make a very big bang with uranium. If I am right, they have got some neutron weapon which uses uranium and deuterium and so on. But even so, I mean it is not necessary to use these weapons. There are plenty of other weapons that they have got which do the trick just as well. So you have to ask yourself the question "Why are they using these uranium weapons?" And I think it could well be that they specifically want to reduce the genetic integrity, fertility I suppose you would say, of certain people in the Middle East. So if you reduce the number of people who might oppose you, Muslim people who might oppose you, then you are more likely to be able to take over areas where there is a lot of oil. And of course I am thinking of the United States here because they are the people producing these weapons. As far as general destruction of the population on earth, I would think it rather stupid because you are not going to prevent it from affecting you, you know. It is a bit of a suicide weapon really. I mean a lot of people say, "Oh, well, you know, they are trying to reduce the population on the earth, but then they are going to do themselves in as well, so their own children are going to be affected. Everybody will be affected. I mean there was a study in Jerusalem of sperm counts amongst young men. In Jerusalem in the hospital there. They found there was an enormous reduction in the last ten years in the sperm count in young men. And the people who did the study who were Israelis, were saying that if this continues in another another 20 years we will all be infertile and there will be no more Israelis. So I mean it could hardly be the project of the Israelis or the Zionists to destroy their own race, unless they are completely insane like, you know, a Dr. Strangelove or some mad person from a James Bond film.
Christina: I have read articles from a few years ago, and I don't have the source for these, that they were working on a radiation pill. Not potassium iodide, but something else that would negate the effects of radiation damage to cells.
Dr. Busby: Yes, sure, there are such things. They are working on it. There is such a thing. It has side effects. It does protect to some extent against external radiation like from a bomb or something. But there is not much that can protect against uranium particles, I can tell you that. Uranium particles, nanoparticles, once they are inside you, that is it. And I can't believe that these people are too stupid to know that. All of the things that I have discovered with my meager resources must have been available to the people who are using these weapons on some level. So they must know that. But yes, sure, I mean I guess it is possible. I guess it is possible that there is some kind of evil genius, or some group of evil geniuses, are going to try to decimate the planet, you know, so that they can somehow feel gleeful about it and rub their fingers and their hands together, and say "Oh well, we now own the planet." But it would be a bit like some future science fiction novel. The planet they will own will be some smoking ruin, and good luck to them, you know. They must realize that.
Christina: Do you think Tokyo will ever be evacuated?
Dr. Busby: Well, I can't see how they can evacuate. I think they had some plans at some time, but no, I think they will cross their fingers and hope for the best and cover up all the damage. I have calculated the increase in cancer, on the basis of the measurements that I have been given and that I have made. I published them in that book, the Japanese book, that I did with Ninkinko [spelling?], so that is all there. It is not an enormous amount. I mean, like I said, it is like this is how the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper. They are not going to all suddenly going to fall down dead and their children are going to be born with two heads. That is not going to happen. What is going to happen is the cancer rate is just inexecrably going to rise. You know, there will be more leukemias. There will be fewer children. There will be more heart attacks, more strokes. But there are an awful lot of people, and the government will not release statistics, or they will fiddle with statistics just like the Soviets did. And then the nuclear industry people with all of their tame epidemiologists, will come out and say "Oh well, there is a slight increase in cancer, but it is use of radiophobia [spelling?], or people are going out in the sun too much," or some nonsense or another. It is all ethically depressing. It is the Sovietization of the West, really. I mean I can't continue to fight them, you know. I have got my own life. I can't spend my whole life writing papers saying the same thing, which they just ignore. So I just do what I enjoy, what I have time for, and what I have money for too, of course. Because nobody pays for this stuff. Most of this stuff is quite expensive. But I think probably this project of mine to use the human rights legislation in the U.S. and thing, is going to make a big impact. And I think we are making an impact, you know. I mean the fact that the Japanese Diet or whatever they call themselves, has now adopted the ECRR as one of its risk models, is truly astonishing. Truly astonishing. And it is like fitting a door. I think if you hang on long enough and we just keep on going, and we all help each other to get the message out in the best way that we can, the scientists do science and the activists do activism, and the filmmakers do filmmaking and so on, and we just keep plugging away, eventually we will smash the door down. We will break through and win. I do believe this. I do believe it.
Christina: The book that you mentioned, is that also published in English?
Dr. Busby: That is published in Japan by the Kardanza [spelling?] publishing Corporation. In English it would be something like The Horror of Fukushima. But it is Japanese, and I can't read it. It has just got a picture of me on the cover in Japanese. But I know what I said, and she translated it all into Japanese and put in all the data and everything. So yes, people who speak Japanese can buy that. And somebody said that I should translate it into English and publish it in English. I do not have the time or money or inclination, either. So we will have to rely on people phoning me up and asking. A lot of people do, of course. I am always getting emails, and I always answer them. Saying "Is it safe to live here, or should I do this," or "Can I drink milk" or whatever happens to me. The biggest danger now in Japan, is from the coasts and the water, living near the coasts, and eating shell fish and fish.
Christina: I know that you answer your emails. You have answered a few of mine and Ms. Milky's, and I want to thank you for everything that you do to educate us. Your patience and your demeanor, and you are teaching a very complex and frightening subject to a lot of people, and it gives many of us hope that someone does care. You are really everyone's favorite teacher when it comes to this stuff.
Dr. Busby: You are very kind. Well I have to do this. I mean, The Fates put you in a position where you have to act as a sort of moral human being, and you can't do anything else. It is a bit like the Good Samaritan. If you happen to walk by and somebody is in trouble, you have to help them. And that is the position I found myself in. I came into this sort of as a scientist, because I was interested in the problem. I could not quite believe that the child leukemia cluster at Sellafield, that was then the largest source of radiation on the planet, couldn't be caused by radiation given that radiation causes leukemia. And yet the government was saying "No, no" it is not possible, because the dose wasn't big enough. It was almost like walking past a chess game where you see two people playing chess and you can see a move. You think "That's not right, I have got to move the knight here." So it was purely abstract, almost. It was like a problem, a chess problem. But then that put me in another position where I had to think about something else, and slowly I waded into this swamp and had to learn epidemiology. I had to learn radiation biology, dosimetry, measurements, you name it. So I spent twenty years [unintelligible]. So then there I was in London when Fukushima went off bang, you see. So I mean here, I am, if I make sense to you. So I do my best.
Christina: Well, we will continue to promote anything or everything that you do to protect children and really all of humanity from Fukushima and all the other nuclear threats that we have. I saw a quote the other day that I thought you would like. "There is no greater measure of the moral health of a society than how it treats the most vulnerable people within it. "
Dr. Busby: Correct, yes. And I want to say how grateful I am to all of you people who have decided to pick up this cause, because it is actually one of the most important things in the world at the moment. This radioactive pollution is the most dangerous thing in the whole of history on this planet, the history of life on this planet. This is what is going to stop it up. And it is so beautiful and so wonderful that all of these people all over the world that I am sort of vaguely in contact with and who get in touch with me and give me their love and their support, they are all working much of their time with very little money and with very little support to try and fight this good fight. I thank you all, and thank you all of the good people who are listening and all of the people you contact, because without all of you, I would feel terribly isolated. And I don't. When people attack me, I think "Ho hum" because I know that there are lots of people who like me, who love me, and send me love, and I send it back to them.
Christina: Is there anything else we haven't touched on you feel is important to say?
Dr. Busby: No, I don't think so. I think the most important thing I can say in this whole interview, this whole little chat, this coffee, is that people should go to this web site, this nuclearjustice.org web site, and involve themselves in this new way of trying to stop the radioactivity. Trying to stop the pollution. In Europe it would be to write a petition to the European Parliament, and all the templates and the instruction and everything are all there. At the same time, to write to your own nuclear agency, whatever it happens to be in America. The NRC, I can't remember who it is in Canada, but it is easy to find. Say to them that there is so much evidence, more or less send them the petition as it is. Just adapt it in some way to your own particular situation and bring it along and ask them to deal with it. Because there is so much evidence out there now that the current risk model that they use to support and underpin their continuation of this off-process, this contamination, that risk model is complete nonsense. And it has been shown to be nonsense by all of this research which we have done and which other people have done and which we have collected together on that web site. So this is the way to deal with it. We have got to deal with them legally within the structure of human rights legislation and human rights agreements, because human rights agreements are very, very powerful and they are incorporated in all of the constitutions of every civilized country in the world, so it is about time that they actually started to put their money where their mouth is.
Christina: In the U.S. we have the NRC which we call the Nuclear Rubberstamp Commission.
Dr. Busby: Yes, those people. Well write to them and say, "Look, awfully sorry, but you know here is a petition asking you to rejustify everything you are doing on the basis that it is all wrong, and look at the evidence. There are 55 references in that petition. A scientific paper in the peer literature which they just ignore, shows that what they have been doing is killing people. And ask them for their names. Get some individuals. It is always good to, they would like to say "We're the Nuclear Regulatory Commission," but you don't want to know that. You want to know who you are dealing with. Are you Jim Rogues, are you Fred Merck, Billy White, or whatever? You need to get a name, and you need to make them quite aware that eventually they are going to get sent off to Nuremberg, personally.
Christina: Nuremberg?
Dr. Busby: Well Nuremberg was the big war crimes tribunal, you know, because essentially this is a peacetime war crime. The number of people have been killed as a result of the contamination of the planet, justified by these people, these Nuclear Regulatory Commission types, is in the millions. So when they talk about the war crimes that Hitler perpetrated, you know, the six million here and so forth, it is nothing compared to people who have been murdered, essentially murdered, by the scientists working for the nuclear industry.
Christina: Well I really appreciate the time that you have taken. We will attach links to all of those web sites that you mentioned.
Dr. Busby: Yes, well OK. It is on that video which Ms. Milky stuck up as well, the one about petition. The link is there so it is easy to find. And if you can't find it, email me and I will send it all to you.
Christina: OK, one more little favor to ask of you, Dr. Busby. My producer is actually starting her own global news network, which will have TV and radio. A lot of what we are covering is the nuclear stuff. What is going on in plants in the U.S. and Europe. Can I get you to do a station I.D., and just say "This is Dr. Busby, UCY, that is the name of the station, UCY."
Dr. Busby: Yes, well, what do you want me to do then? Say it now so you can record it, is that it?
Christina: Yes, yes. And then we will insert the --
Dr. Busby: This is Dr. Busby, and this is station UCY. Like that.
Christina: Yes.
Dr. Busby: [Laughter} I can give my disc jockey voice, yes?
Christina: Could you do it again for me?
Dr. Busby: Hello, this is Dr. Busby, and this is station UCY.
Christina: Thank you so much.
Dr. Busby: OK. Good night!
Christina: Have a wonderful evening, thank you again.
Dr. Busby: Yes, bye bye.

Some reactions to this interview:

2012-09-09 Another Interpretation of Fukushima, majiasblog.blogspot.com

Majia here: I am reposting a comment made by an anonymous individual with some expertise in physics concerning Fukushima. I decided to post it because of Dr. Busby's comments, which I discussed yesterday:
The Blue Light. April 6, 2012 at 11:54 pm ·http://enenews.com/former-un-advisor-ive-been-told-maybe-50-years-to-contain-radiation-if-no-4-pool-collapses-during-50-years-continual-you-cannot-contain-video/comment-page-1#comment-230541

[Excerpted] As I pointed out in another thread several physicists and I worked out how much ceasium137 is contained in spent fuel at Fukushima. We took into account average burn up of the fuel and decay since the fuel was removed from the reactors and several other factors.

The estimates for the amount of ceasium137 that has been released into the environment so far has been independently calculated to range from 10 to 60 kilograms. The spent fuel on site contains between 12500 to 16300 kilograms of ceasium137. A more accurate figure was impossible to calculate due to a lack of available data from TEPCO.

When all the other radionuclides are taken into account then life in places like Hawaii could become impossible, even a short term exposure could be fatal. This could also be true for any fallout hot spots in north america.

Countries like the United kingdom, Denmark, Germany, Norway and Sweden which are connected to Japan by the northern jet stream would also be gravely effected.

Within a year, global background radiation levels would rise by as much as a factor of thirty.

This would truly be a global disaster.

2012-09-08 Our Vulnerable Genome, majiasblog.blogspot.com, Saturday, September 8, 2012

Chris Busby's latest interview can be viewed here: http://enenews.com/busby-plutonium-reached-critical-mass-reactor-3-caused-explosion-video/comment-page-1#comment-286364

I agree with Busby and I disagree with him.

I agree that we are destroying our DNA with many types of radiological assaults and we may have already compromised our future beyond repair.

Atmospheric testing, medical imaging, tritium from nuclear power plants, radiological weapons and DU deployed by the US in the Middle East, Chernobyl, and all the electronic devices we are surrounded by are, I'm convinced with Busby, compromising our genetic code.

I disagree with Busby on US fallout. I believe that Fukushima fallout in the US has been significant enough to cause ecological changes and to affect human health.

The evidence for my belief is based in the empirical studies of xenon-levels in the Pacific Northwest at 400,000 background, the EPA radnet charts, and the anomalies I've cataloged and documented on this blog.

I'm not implying that Fukushima has produced as much fallout as the entirety of atmospheric testing. Recall that Alvarez stated:
"The total spent reactor fuel inventory at the Fukushima-Daichi site contains nearly half of the total amount of Cs-137 estimated by the NCRP to have been released by all atmospheric nuclear weapons testing, Chernobyl, and world-wide reprocessing plants (~270 million curies or ~9.9 E+18 Becquerel)." (cited at Akio Matsumura http://akiomatsumura.com/2012/04/682.html)

But Fukushima doesn't have to exceed atmospheric testing to cause more obvious health problems than the myriad problems and deaths caused by those tests.

In the 1950s geneticists warned that damaged genes could essentially sneak up on a population because recessive genes were more likely to be damaged by radiation than dominant ones. They noted that the recessive mutations would eventually cause major health issues and even infertility http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/burdening-species-with-genetic.html

What extent of damage have we already inflicted upon our genome and its epigenetic operations?

How does Fukushima add to that?

Who knows when the tipping point will occur when recessive mutations manifest overtly in deteriorating health and longevity?

Did anyone see the New York Times article about sensitive "on-off switches" in substances previously regarded as "junk DNA"?

We may be a lot more vulnerable than we previously suspected….

The New York Times was covering the Encode genomics project, which addresses how epigenetic processes, such as methylation, impact how genes produce proteins without changing the structure of the DNA.

Great visual on epigenetics and the specific process of methylation
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/12/15/GR2009121500588.html?sid=ST2009121500591

Here are some excerpts from the New York Times article. The original research is linked at the bottom of this post. The introduction is very accessible.

Bits of Mystery DNA, Far From ‘Junk,’ Play Crucial Role By GINA KOLATA. The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/science/far-from-junk-dna-dark-matter-proves-crucial-to-health.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120906

[Excerpted] "The human genome is packed with at least four million gene switches that reside in bits of DNA that once were dismissed as “junk” but that turn out to play critical roles in controlling how cells, organs and other tissues behave. The discovery, considered a major medical and scientific breakthrough, has enormous implications for human health because many complex diseases appear to be caused by tiny changes in hundreds of gene switches.

The findings, which are the fruit of an immense federal project involving 440 scientists from 32 laboratories around the world, will have immediate applications for understanding how alterations in the non-gene parts of DNA contribute to human diseases, which may in turn lead to new drugs. They can also help explain how the environment can affect disease risk. In the case of identical twins, small changes in environmental exposure can slightly alter gene switches, with the result that one twin gets a disease and the other does not.

As scientists delved into the “junk” — parts of the DNA that are not actual genes containing instructions for proteins — they discovered a complex system that controls genes. At least 80 percent of this DNA is active and needed. The result of the work is an annotated road map of much of this DNA, noting what it is doing and how. It includes the system of switches that, acting like dimmer switches for lights, control which genes are used in a cell and when they are used, and determine, for instance, whether a cell becomes a liver cell or a neuron....

Majia here: I recommend reading the entire article at the New York Times. The NYT article was written by Joseph R. Ecker, who also contributed to this introduction to the project available at Nature:

Genomics: ENCODE explained. Nature 489, (2012, Sep) http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v489/n7414/full/489052a.html

[Excerpt] The project examines “functional genomic elements that orchestrate the development and function of a human. The project contains data about the degree of DNA methylation and chemical modifications to histones that can influence the rate of transcription of DNA into RNA molecules (histones are the proteins around which DNA is wound to form chromatin interactions such as looping…"

Majia here: This is very exciting research. It is also rather alarming.

What it demonstrates is that our genetic processes can be damaged even when there are no detectable changes to our genetic code.

Previous research has demonstrated that viruses can impact adversely epigenetic processes and that epigenetic changes can be inherited.http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/genes/

Scientists are beginning to look at how environment and genetic processes are co-constituted in development of diseases such as autism:

Epigenetics research takes aim at cancer, Alzheimer's, autism, other illnesses. The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/14/AR2009121402894.html

If viruses can damage epigenetic processes than radiation surely can.

Unfortunately, it will be too late for us when we can prove empirically and without doubt that we have damaged our genome.

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http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/discouraged.html

http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/07/children-and-ionizing-radiation.html

http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/07/how-to-bias-studies-on-biological.html

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Just my take on Busby Sept 2012 Re: Interview

Busby is soooo last week soooo last August in fact!!!

There are a few issues that I and others have with regards to some of his answers. This is not a conclusive nor concise break down of some of his unsubstantiated responses it is my personal take on his replies to Christina‘s questions. It is meant to get people to think and challenge the word of one individual no matter who they are. In science for something to be generally accepted one may write a paper but it is peer reviewed and if accepted it generally becomes mainstream. This mans words are backed up with little facts example the radon answer. So not in any chronological order I shall begin.

Christopher Busby even said quite blatantly and flippantly that he doesn’t follow events of Fukushima because he too busy with other things like trying to slow down the anti nuclear movement to close nuke stations by attempting to get people hooked into a so called European legal action which would take decades and decades to be resolved if ever. Take a look at the Tobacco industry. How many decades has that been dragged though the highest courts throughout the world but they still sell those death sticks. Diversionary tactics by the nuke industry.

To back this up he even stated that people should not waste ones time protesting outside nuke plants. He is full of sh*t. Peaceful demonstrations and direct action like chaining ones self to the gates of hell to convey a message has merit and for him to say otherwise is quite frankly strange and concerning. Whether by threats or just ‘show me the money honey’ it doesn’t really matter he has had a pay day (remember he always states he doesn’t get paid to do these things, hey we do it for free because we care for each other and the planet).

Just because he states other negative things about nuclear weapons and human DNA being destroyed means nothing if his purpose is the divide opinion and slow a growing movement down at least in Europe by going down the legal route. A total psyop by the nuke industry (the stalling tactics). Remember Germany are closing all nukes in 2022 if that is to be believed but the anti nuke movement is growing, it is massive. Look what happened in Germany, political pressure brought about this policy change straight after Fukushima and also all the nuke were shut down in Japan. This paid nuker Busby now wants all Europeans to not protest but to sign worthless petitions to the European Parliament so that we can drag our heels through the court system. Can you just imagine how long this would take even if successful. This is how it would go for decades, ‘We have this evidence’ and ‘they counter that‘. Nothing will ever change through the courts. Not saying its not worth trying but until the corrupt judges and politician are taken out of the equation nothing will change. Only political pressure like ‘you will not get re elected unless you actually do what the people ask and demand‘. It’s that simple. Oh and a few jail sentences but I digress.

So which is quicker? Political pressure or through the legal system. Political pressure of course, look at Germany as I have said (even if I believe that in 10 years time this decision will be reversed but I hope we can keep the political pressure on so that this will not happen).

So you see Christina’s interview was really good because it exposed for me at least what his real agenda is. Some wont see that yet but considering up until this interview I valued his opinion and respected him very much (hey him & I were even born in the same hospital lol apparently), so it would take some big thing in my mind to do a sudden about turn with my opinion.

So Busby does not want you to protest, he wants you to go through an even slower route the courts, he wants people to continue doing what they have been for decades like writing letter to the nuke industry which just get put in the bin. He is too busy to be even thinking about Fukushima. So he must not believe that Fukushima is the greatest disaster in human history even though he has stated previously it’s a global problem on numerous times on many main stream lame stream news channels. A global disaster and you are too busy to help try fix the problem, that’s nice.

Lets look at his potential income.

He believes all of north America has NOT been contaminated by Fukushima and that everyone should stop FREAKING out. He said that the bomb testing last century is more cause for worry. No Busby the bomb testing is a cause for worry, but on top of that is the worlds greatest disaster that humans are having to face right now and it so happens to be a nuclear disaster. So is he truly suggesting that Fukushima on it’s own does not really matter for the world? But with all the things added together like the Industrial Military Complex ie using DU (Depleted Uranium) weapons etc this is why the world is f**ked. But hang on. Busby would say that weapons testing from the previous century and DU weapons are the cause for human suffering because he is an expert witness on these matters in British and other courts and guess what he gets paid for that role as an expert witness so he would say that wouldn’t he. So it is in his interest to say atomic testing and military weapons of the nuclear type are harming humans more than Fukushima and nuclear power plants especially when a nice back hander (pay check) from the Nuke industry happens to float his way. Can you see the conflict of interest. It is so clear to me, its so obvious now after this interview.

There is more. All rain swipes are just radon although he has never tested my samples or any others with mega high readings (my swipes for example do to not match any Radon half life times it is not difficult to determine a half life of a decaying isotope). He doesn’t even address these high readings for example 25,45,85 or ever 240x above background radiation from many people from around the world. Its just a typical troll answer straight across the board “It’s all Radon”, where have we heard that before.

This is a good one and I can prove it. He said that no fallout reached England, are you sure about that Busby because I have an actual telephone recording from England’s Environmental Agency from earlier this year when I reported high fallout levels in the rain and asked if there was an nuclear leak from the naval dock yards called Devonport Dock Yards (western Europe’s largest Naval dock yard) where they are decommissioning Britain’s old nuclear submarines 10 or so miles away from me as the crow flies. Now I never mentioned Fukushima during this telephone conversation but after many different people telephoned me back I had a call from the Environmental Agency and after quizzing me in depth about what type of Geiger counter I had and my knowledge of Chemistry etc the Environmental Agency gentleman stating that no there was no leak at the docks. He then randomly came out and spoke of Fukushima and in a nut shell stated that Iodine-131 from Fukushima had been detected in fallout here in England a few weeks after Fukushima went ‘big badda boom‘, of course he did add “it was below safety limits”, but he had to say that didn’t he lol. Where there is Iodine-131 there is Iodine-129. That sh*t lasts for longer than 80 days look it up, but I shall give you a clue its half-life is 15.7 million years. So I have a Governmental official stating that Fukushima did reach England he didn‘t know I was recording the conversation of course. Now we all know that Fukushima has spread across the whole globe, Chernobyl did. So Busby you have been caught out. You are a liar.

He also states that its just stupidity (or a similar word) why nuke plants leak once again playing down the risk meaning its just humans that are at fault not the technology. No! the technology is beyond human capacity to control hence nuclear waste and nuclear disasters like Fukushima which if we believe the official story that it was the earthquake and Tsunami that triggered this apparently not very important nuclear event then these nuke planet are not safe but we all know that.

Shall I go on? I can I really can there is more. But I think that is enough to wet ones taste buds if you haven’t though of this interview in this light. Now I like to live in the now and look to the future so what good things he has done in the past for the veterans of the British atomic test is great, but that’s the past. This is the now and Fukushima is a plight on the whole world. Hey I didn’t even mention meteorology like Orographic precipitation, convection, cloud vapour and precipitation carrying radionuclide’s for example from the Pacific Ocean from TEPCO’s own dumping back yard and neither did he, funny that.

He lied to us all. Most of the things he said had no scientific merit or backing he even said he was guessing for example. Some of his answers were just conjecture and speculation. Add all of these things together and what do you now feel about Christopher Busby. Note not Prof anymore but just Mr Radon Man.

I rest my case me Lord!