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Christina Consolo: Welcome to
Nuked Radio, the special edition of the two year anniversary
of the Fukushima disaster, which is ongoing. I am your host,
Christina Consolo, and with me today is a very special guest,
Leuren Moret. Leuren is a geoscientist, atmospheric fallout
expert, and outspoken critic of the use of depleted uranium.
As an employee of Livermore Lab, she learned of the horrific
power of nuclear weapons, which started her on a journey as
a full time researcher, and expert witness to numerous litigation
issues arising out of nuclear crimes. The focus of our discussion
today will be the current status of Fukushima and the health
effects that are occurring from the transport of radioactive
particles and contamination in our air, precipitation, oceans,
and food supply. Leuren, welcome back to the program.
Leuren Moret: Thank you so much. I am very
happy to be on your program again. It is wonderful to do interviews
with you and thank you so much for asking me today.
Christina: You have been exposing the fact
that we have been nuclear guinea pigs since 1945.
L. Moret: That's right.
Christina: I would like to start with the current
status of the Fukushima plant two years into the accident.
L. Moret: It is not good for us, that is for
sure. At first, when that happened on March 11, 2011, it was
a disaster that the world had never imagined would be possible,
and what makes it worse, especially for me, was to understand
very clearly it was deliberate. I did a series of interviews,
which I will send you the links, and you can post them on your
site, or do whatever you want with them. I was recording who
was involved, the politicians, the politics of vested interests,
the international financiers. And of course I had done extensive
research and discovered the actual transmitter was at Tromso
in Norway. That facility, that HAARP facility is owned by a
consortium of countries. That would be England, is number one,
Norway, Sweden, Finland, China, Japan and Germany. This is part
of a network of global transmitters with many, many, many bases
in Antarctica. That is very curious because Britain has nine.
That has never been revealed until about a week ago when The
Daily Mail had photographs in a story on a portable Antarctic
base, which they can tow around behind some kind of propulsion
vehicle if they want to move it around. It is kind of like a
bunch of box cars, a train. Also the U.S. has at least three
bases in Antarctica, Russia has seven, the Japanese have at
least three, probably Australia has one, so we are beginning
to understand now that this is a criminal cabal of countries
and vested interests, individuals and corporations involved,
the hidden agenda of course, which is so horrible to understand
is depopulation. It is also to bring about a very, very major
transformation which is now happening, that is to destroy the
Western economy. That would include Europe, North America, and
Japan. In order to pump China, add India too, so what they are
creating in China and India are middle classes who will be,
they are huge countries with very large populations, so it is
a whole new market for the bankers to make loans, to cause wars,
to sell food that they are now growing in Third World countries.
70% of the almond crop from California, which is probably some
of the best almonds in the world, is going to the new growing
middle class in China and India. So there are many, many interested
parties and vested interests. Of course this is all being carried
out by the U.S. Navy and navies in other countries that are
the top military echelon in terms of power and control. Also
control of radioactive and nuclear materials and weapons. So
what we know now since those series of interviews, because people
can listen to those and get background. But today what we want
to do is to update people on the last year in particular when
more of the effects on the environment, on plants and animals,
on Fukushima Prefecture in northern Japan, the ocean, and North
America and Europe and beyond has manifested itself. All I can
say is that the book that Dr. Alexey Yablokov from Russia put
together with a lot of other Russian scientists from five hundred
research papers they produced on the after effects of Chernobyl,
which Yablokov translated five hundred articles in Russian into
English in order to be able to write this book. It is called
Chernobyl:
Consequences of the Catastrophe For People and the Environment
(PDF) and it is free on the Internet. I recommend that everyone
listening, if they are interested, download it as a PDF. You
can also buy it, published and bound and everything. I believe
it is seven or eight dollars, which is very, very, very reasonable.
That is just the cost of producing it and mailing it. And professor
Yablokov, whose name is Y-a-b-l-o-k-o-v, Prime Minister Yeltsin's
science advisor, Dr. Yablokov is also a member of the Russian
Academy of Sciences. He also was scientific advisor for other
presidents and prime ministers of Russia. Well on top of that
the Russians really are more familiar with nuclear disasters
than probably any other country because they had the experience
of Chernobyl which was a global nuclear disaster. Because my
mother was exposed to that in 1986, she lived in Santa Barbara
California, and most of the world was contaminated, most of
it eventually, by Chernobyl. She developed Alzheimer Disease
when she was about 46 years old. I am not just a scientist,
I love all living things. I am a naturalist. I have done the
equivalent of a master's degree in wild life studies at UC Berkeley.
I am really a very broad environmentalist so I probably notice
things or understand things more than most other scientists,
although there are some who have specialized in radiation, technologies,
and disasters in order to warn the public. Of course Dr. Yablokov
would be one of the very fine scientists, who is working very
hard to alert the global community. Now the effects of Chernobyl
will be dwarfed very soon or already by the effects of Fukushima.
The emissions from Fukushima into the atmosphere and into the
ocean will not end in our lifetime, Christina. I am overwhelmed
every day, when I think about the implications and the long
term effects of this disaster. I really do feel very bad about
it, and on the other hand I am very pleased that I can help
and I can contribute to the global understanding, and also help
people learn how to protect themselves and their families and
children and babies. This is pretty overwhelming, even for me.
Thank you so much for being one of the bright lights that I
can contact and work with and communicate with because it is
something you just can't deal with it all on your own. You have
got to have friends in this business or you would just not make
it, I guess. But to compare Chernobyl to Fukushima or Fukushima
to Chernobyl, we know from air filters taken from cars in Japan
in the months after the disaster that the Fukushima emissions
and radioactive pollution, the nuclear pollution of the planet,
is at least 300 times that of Chernobyl. I have been in contact
with six people. One is a woman who is over 50, the other five
are males under 50, healthy, buff, there is no reason for them
to be sick, and all six of these people had
thyroiditis within nine months of the Fukushima disaster.
That would be from the radioactive iodine that was emitted in
the emissions from the Fukushima disaster, and when I read Yablokov's
book on the endocrine system, the thyroid gland is part of the
endocrine system, I was shocked when he reported that thyroiditis,
diseases of the thyroid, were not reported or detected until
three to four years after Chernobyl.
Christina: Yes.
L. Moret: And these six people had thyroiditis
within nine months of the Fukushima disaster. So indeed we have
had a major, major global nuclear disaster which is affecting
all living things.
Christina: We try to use as much Chernobyl
data as possible to try to extrapolate or predict what is coming
down the road and what you have said and a number of other researchers
and people in the nuclear industry that I have spoken with have
said is they are absolutely shocked at some of the numbers of
contamination. And actually in disbelieving when I have shared
some of this information with some of them. 20,000 becquerels
per kilogram found in earthworms that were 200 km away from
the Fukushima plant. We know that the Chernobyl reactor was
half the size of the smallest reactor at Fukushima, that was
reactor one. The three hundred times figure that we are using,
how are you extrapolating the data to come to that number in
case anyone else wants to duplicate that. Is that just based
on the air filter studies?
L. Moret: Yes, that is a good question because
people should know how that comparison was made. I have done
about 20 speaking tours in Japan between 2000 and 2010. I also
worked on educating the lawyers in Japan who were representing
the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki who have never won a
law suit since 1945 against the Japanese government, and all
they were asking for was health benefits. Dr. Busby produced
a very, very excellent new risk analysis or risk model for the
European Union for the Green Party on radiation exposure. It
is the first time there has been a new risk model since the
phony risk model that has been used since 1945, produced by
the U.S. military. When I worked with him, I learned a lot.
He is very, very clever. What he did is he got air filters from
cars all over northern Japan, especially between Tokyo and Fukushima.
People sent him air filters out of their cars, and they also
sent the specs on the engines in the cars. So he was able to
measure the radiation on the air filter, and then calculate
the volume of air going through the car engine, and that was
helpful in determining the concentration in the atmosphere.
That is where the air was coming from that went through the
car engine. And he calculated from those numbers, of course
it is an estimate, but nobody has denied it and nobody has done
any other estimates that I know of. And he reported the radiation
on the air filters indicated it was at least the equivalent
of 300 Chernobyls. [16:01]
Christina: One of the other numbers that has
come out after the Fukushima disaster was the excess deaths
reported by the CDC in the first fourteen weeks after the disaster,
and then through December of 2011. But we haven't had any updates
from the CDC since. At least I have not been able to get any
current information. We know that there were 40,000 excess deaths
from April to December of 1986 following the Chernobyl disaster.
But because there are no post mortem studies done on people
who die of sudden heart attacks, and things of that nature to
look for, radioactive contamination, where nuclear fallout is
the cause, the excess mortality figures are what are used to
judge how it has affected populations. I have a difficult time
sometimes explaining that to people. Could you explain more
about that? [17:07]
L. Moret: Well first of all government, nuclear
government agencies, politicians, corporations, the military,
all have a very, very large vested interest in hiding all of
this information from the public. At the CDC you can actually
go on their web site, and vital statistics, in other words births,
deaths, diseases and things like that are reported every week
by every county in the United States to the Centers for Disease
Control. And they compile the data and release some of it to
the public. The raw numbers are there, but they are just piles
of numbers. So it really takes an epidemiologist with very specialized
and very sophisticated computer software to crunch those numbers
and make a meaningful estimates and reports. There was an epidemiologist,
nobody knows his real name, it would have been very dangerous
for him to reveal his identity. But he did crunch those numbers
until Sept or Oct of 2011. No actually he issued a lot of data,
maps and stuff, and very, very good, very interesting analyses,
I will send it to you, it is PDF, he was able to say very reliably,
remember he is a professional epidemiologists with the right
software and computers and data, and he said that 100,000 Americans
had died by Dec 2011 from Fukushima. The way he determined that
was to look at the death rates by region and by cities in the
United States going back at least four years before, or maybe
even ten years, before the Fukushima disaster happened, and
then comparing the death rate after that date. When you look
at all of the deaths, all of the births, and
you are not looking at specific diseases, it is a much better
way to analyze what is happening. So what you look for are changes,
and changes that have no explanation. So when you look at a
long history, like five years or ten years, of death rates,
it is very easy to see that there are so many unexplained increases,
which there is no other way to explain it. Since it is all over
the U.S. and you look at it by region, it is confirmed that
he was correct, because the highest increase in death rates
up to 9 or 10% was in the mountain region, which is basically
the west slope of the Rocky Mountains which extend up into Canada
and down into Mexico. But I am only talking about U.S. data.
That would have high rates of rainout and snow out of the fresh
Fukushima fission products that come across the Pacific Ocean.
That was very, very interesting. The West Coast also had high
radiation rates measured, and they certainly had increases in
deaths, but it was only maybe three and a half or 4 or 5%. The
Mountain region was at least double. I just want to make sure
that people understand that distance from a nuclear accident
does not protect you. It is the weather, how much rain and snowfall
you have, and it is the geography, whether it is flat or a mountainous
region that determines how much radiation ends up in the environment.
So we are talking about a very, very complex issue, and each
time there is a new nuclear technology introduced, or a new
nuclear disaster, we learn more. Unfortunately a lot of people
die, and even more are hurt. So we are going to see increasing
death rates. We are going to see a very large increase in chronic
illnesses, and guess who is licking their chops with a napkin
around their neck sitting at the table to pig out on the public?
Christina: The health care industry.
L. Moret: Yes, and the bankers. I like to travel
around a lot in local areas or flying across the U.S. I pick
up newspapers at every airport or whatever. I gather data everywhere
I can. I went up to Sebastopol which is an apple orchard and
grape vineyard area, region in northern California in the wine
country. I was completely shocked at a city council meeting
that I attended. The topic for the evening before the city council
was a petition or an application for permits to build on an
empty car lot and Chase Bank bought it. That is J.P. Morgan,
one of the big, big, big New York banking firms. I was so shocked
when they said "And we want to build a CVS pharmacy right
next to the bank." Right away I knew that the bankers owned
the pharmaceutical companies, the drug stores now, because I
have been watching major changes over the last five or ten years
in drug stores. Some of the chains have been bought out. CVS
is one of the really big new ones, and when you go into these
new drug stores, they have no iodine ointments on the shelves.
They have no zinc oxide on the shelves. That's what you put
on to prevent a sun burn, or people going outside, like athletes
put it under their eyes. I just started wondering why those
were taken off the shelves, so I went into a pharmacy and they
were happy to order it for me, but these are like $3.50 a tube,
and they are essential to family health, and they would be even
more essential now since we are going to have an epidemic of
chronic illnesses.
Christina: Since we are not getting the oversight
that is really needed for people to understand the amount of
contamination and where it is occurring, people can be advocates
for their own health and take it upon themselves to determine
where they are most at risk, and how to avoid it in their daily
life because anyone who has studied this disaster knows that
there is no way to turn it off. This is something that is continuous
until new technology is invented, and in the meantime there
are things we could be doing to avoid exposure, especially for
children, starting with precipitation. Since you are an atmospheric
fallout expert, I was wondering if you could explain a little
bit about that process, the difference between rain and snow,
how this stuff moves around in our atmosphere, and what is still
contributing to fallout from atmospheric testing.
L. Moret: When these metals burn that are produced
as fission products, uranium is not a fission product, but it
does fission and produce the fission products. These are at
extremely high temperatures. When uranium burns, it gets up
to over 5,000 degrees centigrade which is hotter than the sun.
All that energy that it releases breaks the molecular bond that
holds the molecules and atoms together, and makes tinier and
tinier particles, so that basically it produces huge amounts
of nanoparticles of the most dangerous, poisonous, radioactive
dust that exists on this planet. These tiny, tiny, nanoparticles
are highly charged. Because they are very highly charged, they
float around the ai. In air masses they are transported all
around the planet in atmospheric dust. In the air masses these
tiny particles collect moisture. There is moisture in the air.
So the moisture collects or condenses on these tiny particles
until they are a drop of rain, and then they fall out of the
atmosphere on to the ground with that nuclear particle in the
center of the rain drop. When you have a lot of rain, it is
very efficient at removing a large amount of the radiation,
these particles from the atmosphere. Because the particles are
wetted, the surface is wet, by the moisture collecting on it,
when these particles land on the ground, on rocks or soil or
plant materials or buildings, cars, whatever they land on, they
stick with that film of water on the surface of the particle,
and there is absolutely no way to clean it off. You cannot wash
it off, you can't scrub it off. It is because the electrical
forces, they are called Van
der Waals forces of attraction between the particle and
the surface it lands on, are so strong other forces that we
would use to remove them are not strong enough. So that is good,
it removes particles from the atmosphere, but is landing on
our skin, landing in our hair, our clothes are contaminated,
our umbrellas, our shoes, our raincoats, the outside of our
cars, and then we track it into the house. We contaminate our
own living environment. So it is very, very important if you
go out in the rain, that you leave your rain gear, your rain
boots, your hats, gloves, everything outside. Don't bring them
into your house and do not wear your shoes inside if you have
worn them outside in the rain. In fact in the 1950's, President
Eisenhower was in the White House, it was pouring rain that
day in Washington, D.C. He announced to his staff or whoever
was there that he was going outside to go somewhere. There were
military experts there, and they said "No, you are not
going outside today." He said, "Why not." They
said, "Well, they are doing nuclear weapons tests in Nevada
today, and the rain is completely contaminated. You are not
going outside today." They know this is happening,
but they are not telling us. Now the difference between
rain and how it savages nuclear particles, and the snow is quite
different. Snow flakes have sharp edges, and very, very sharp
tips and pointy areas. Because of that, those edges and tips
have very high charges, higher than the nanoparticles floating
around in the atmosphere. And so they are the most efficient
scavenger of nuclear materials. Snow removes 95% of the radiation
in the air. It is very, very efficient. Even avoiding rain is
a must, but avoiding snow is absolutely critical. That is why
the death rates on the west slope of the Rocky Mountains was
almost a 10% increase by Christmas after Fukushima just eight
months later, than the coastal [mountain ranges] and the West
Coast, those death rates were lower, which is surprising because
you would think the opposite, but there was not as much precipitation
and no snowfall, at least along the coastline of most of California.
California turned out to not be such a bad place to be. But
Oregon and northern California and Washington State, British
Columbia, they really did have very high doses. It was measured
and reported by the EPA until they stopped measuring and reporting.
But Dr. Chris Busby, who is a British low level radiation expert
for the British government and the European Union, he warned
me very early on, he said, "All of these agencies and all
of these governments are lying," and what we discovered
finally is that the only good data was being reported by the
Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty monitoring stations. These are
not government-funded or controlled or anything. They are private
monitoring stations that are privately funded all over the world.
They produce the best data. They had great maps with the plumes
coming across the Pacific, and you could see how the plumes
were being guided, cold dense air. Basically it is all fluid
dynamics, just like water. So they just steered those plumes
into selected regions and cities for their depopulation agenda.
I was aghast when I was watching it, and I was asking other
scientists, "Did you see what they were doing? They were
heating, using a HAARP beam over the executive and the commercial
centers of Canada and the U.S., in other words Toronto and Ottawa,
Ottawa is the administrative government center of Canada, Toronto
is the commercial center, New York City and Washington, D.C.
in the U.S. So they just put a big warm bubble over those cities,
and that cold dense air from Japan, the plume is loaded with
radiation just flowed right around those high pressure areas.
Christina: Leuren, I have had a lot of reports
from people, particularly in the Pacific Northwest and along
the east coast around Washington DC and the Virginias, that
there have been a lot of low-flying military helicopters. Sometimes
it is reported ahead of time that they are conducting background
radiation level research. But if it weren't for Fukushima, shouldn't
those levels have been unchanged for decades? It seems they
are looking for something specific.
L. Moret: Oh, I know all about that. First
of all, I worked in two nuclear weapons labs. The Lawrence
Berkeley Lab which is where the Manhattan Project started.
I was working there in the 70's as a staff scientist and handling
radioactive material and at the Lawrence
Livermore nuclear weapons lab which is where HAARP was secretly
developed under the cover of the Cold War, and the partner,
the secret partner developing HAARP was the Soviet Union. So
I was trained to handle nuclear materials and so forth and so
on at Livermore. There is constant monitoring all over the world.
One scientist told me they know where every atom of radioactive
material is on this planet. These big black helicopters would
come in and land at Livermore, this is at the end of the 80's,
and the 90's. They have been taking samples out of the Pacific.
Of course they were monitoring for illegal nuclear weapons testing.
A couple of months ago, I heard these helicopters overhead here
in Berkeley, and I started looking all over the Internet to
see why they were flying because it was obvious they were here
for a week and they were flying on a grid pattern. That is an
awfully expensive project to put helicopters in the air all
day for day after day. They were also at a certain altitude
about 300 feet I believe. Well it came out in a couple of local
newspapers that it was the Department of Energy or the military,
probably the Department of Energy, because they came out of
Las Vegas, but they were doing a radiation survey from the coastal
city of Pacifica,
which is south of San Francisco, across San Francisco, across
San Francisco Bay, and over the City of Berkeley and the Berkeley
Hills. I knew right away they were dong a transect from the
coastline to the foothills of the coast ranges, and that it
was to measure radiation. Because I also saw vehicles with air
monitors on top of the vehicles. I have seen them before. They
were driving through all our neighborhoods while the helicopters
were overhead. Then it came out later that they admitted that
they were doing a radiation survey. So I of course knew it was
to measure the radiation from Fukushima. Then just a few months
ago, I think it was after Christmas, they were doing the same
survey over Washington, D.C. These are military, Department
of Energy surveys to get a baseline basically for the radiation
levels. This is a horrible thing to say, but we are not any
different from the Iraqis, Afghanis, the Lebanese, the poor
people in Gaza, they are measuring, they are dropping nuclear
materials on these populations. Then they are measuring the
levels. The information from Iraq was directly called in every
day to Dick Cheney's office when he was Vice President. I realize
when I studied all that data for Iraq, that they were determining
how much more they had to bomb them to get a certain radiation
contamination level, to reap a certain kill rate that they had
predetermined. So that is what they are really doing in the
U.S. and all over the world. The UN no doubt is involved too.
They were doing it during the nuclear bomb tests. They have
done it with the nuclear power plants. So basically it is to
determine a kill rate, or a contamination level, how much it
needs to be increased to achieve their kill rate agenda.
Christina: Well something else that plays into
that as well is the Corexit
that has been sprayed continuously over the Gulf of Mexico since
the BP disaster which seems to have reactivated based on some
flyovers that I saw from Wings
of Care in the last few days. There are some
huge slicks appearing once again in the Gulf of Mexico. The
planes, at least what I have heard from local reports, are still
spraying Corexit, and radiation and Corexit has a synergistic
relationship that I don't fully understand. Could you talk a
little bit about that. [39:45]
L. Moret: Radiation exposure of organisms in
their developmental stages, has a horrific, very negative biological
effect, that is 10 to a 100,000 times [more] damaging and harmful
than chemical exposure. Even the strongest chemicals like thalidomide.
Now when you put very small amounts of radiation or very small
amounts of certain chemicals into the environment or you expose
people to them, those very low levels, ultra low levels and
low levels are actually [proportionally] more harmful than higher
levels, because they produce [more damage] per unit of radiation.
Because the very low levels produce free radicals that are separated
or they are far apart from each other, because there is not
a high density of free radicals released, so they run around
and just create havoc in the cells and in the body processes.
When you have a higher level of radiation exposure, contamination
of the body, you have lots of free radicals, a lot more free
radicals running around, and they can actually run into each
other and neutralize each other. That is why low level radiation,
low levels of chemical exposure, is very, very bad. However,
when you put low levels of radiation, and mix it with low levels
of chemicals, they have a multiplier effect that is 10 or more
times the effect of either one of them. So 1 plus 1 is not 2.
It is like 1 plus 1 is like 10 or a 100 or a 1000, no one really
knows because the research and the laboratory experiments and
so forth would be so expensive to do because there are so many
variables that only a government could afford to do that. So
they don't really know. I went to the California Department
of Health office in the city of Berkeley a number of years ago
when I was an environmental commissioner in Berkeley, and I
sat down with Dr. Calvin White who was the head of the office
there, and I said, "Dr. White, how did the EPA and the
health agencies determine the exposure limits for chemicals?"
He said, "Well--." I said "Like benzene and whatever."
He said "Oh, we just made them up." I said "You
made them up?" He said, "Yes, we couldn't afford to
do that research, only a government could, and anyway it would
be too complex. So we just made them up." And he said,
"The benzene limit, I can guarantee you, will give you
liver cancer within 10 years." He said, in fact, "You
know the woman who invented `white out,' you know, when you
make mistakes on typed documents you just paint that white paint
on them." He said she used benzene as the solvent for the
white out when she first developed it. He said she died of liver
cancer. So they are combining Corexit, which is completely illegal
in the United States, to use it the way BP used it. They were
told by the government, by the EPA, by the President, [by] everybody
to stop using it. They ignored everything. They are down there
spraying again because they want to reach a kill rate that they
have predetermined. What you are saying exactly fits into my
observations and the information that I have been able to acquire
on what was happening in Iraq and other countries.
Christina: You gave an excellent example as
well in a lecture that I heard from April in 2011, about how
the effects of radiation are multiplied when chemicals are presented
as well. I think it was Native American miners.
L. Moret: Yes, that is a very well known from
the medical studies on the Navajo uranium miners in the, probably
50's and 60's. The Navajos, well, uranium was discovered all
over Western areas, especially New Mexico, a lot of it was on
the Navajo and other Indian reservations because they were given
the worst land. Unfortunate for the Indians, 70% of the energy
resources and minerals around their tribal lands, so they are
being depopulated even faster than us. The Navajo miners had
horrible increases in lung cancer and other diseases, but especially
lung cancer. Studies were done, very careful studies, not just
by the government, but by other individuals too, it was discovered
that the lung cancer rate was much lower in Navajos who did
not smoke. However, the Navajos who did smoke, were combining
the chemicals that are in tobacco, who knows what they put in
tobacco, they put chemicals in to make the tobacco even more
addictive, and those chemicals were combining with the uranium
in the air, in the mines, that the miners were inhaling. So
there is a really good example of synergistic effects where
the chemicals mixed with radiation increased the biological
effect and do a lot of damage.
Christina: We want to switch gears a little
bit here and talk about mutations for a moment. In the summer
of 2011, I started noticing mutations in my area of the country,
the Midwest, and I began to photograph them and then put out
a call to our listeners to start sending in images to us that
we could share with Leuren and other researchers, make them
publicly accessible, and we were just inundated with hundreds
and hundreds of very strange, very unusual, genetic defects
that were being expressed, especially in things that grow fast
and uptake a lot of water like weeds, young trees, and produce.
I am actually comprising a CD for Leuren for all the images
through 2012, now that the growing season is over. [47:46]
L. Moret: It is beginning. [Laughter] For me
I have been out in my garden all day today.
Christina: This is something we will continue
to contribute to as time goes on. Leuren have you had a chance
to review any of those images, and what did you think when you
saw them?
L. Moret: Well first of all, I would like to
really thank you and the listeners, particularly, for providing
this critical information because basically it is the only information
we are getting. It is very, very telling. We have images of
those radiation impacts now, and we will continue to collect
them. But basically it is kind of a family affair, and I feel
like you and I and some of the other researchers that we know
and work with are part of a family. It is wonderful to have
other people join the family, providing us with this information,
and interest, and resources, all kinds of things. All kinds
of surprises. In fact, this is a really, really, wonderful process
for a very tragic thing. And that is what has to happen. We
have to all come together and share information and be vigilant
about reporting what our government, governments all over the
world are not reporting. Of course that is what happened after
Chernobyl, also. So it is no surprise. But we are the ones who
are going to find the solutions. We are going to do what our
governments won't do to change it, to learn more. It is exactly
what happened with Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the bombs were
dropped in World War II. The U.S. government completely covered
it up. They would not let Americans know about it because they
wanted a nuclear weapons program. It was the ingenuity of the
Japanese medical professionals and other unsung heroes who helped
to save the lives and to discover new ways to treat these poor
victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The doctors had no blood,
they could not give transfusions, they had no medical supplies
after a while they ran out very quickly. They had no support
from their government and from the U.S. government. So what
these doctors did was they took seaweed and they extracted the
juice, which is basically like sea water, very similar to sea
water. Our blood is basically a replacement for the sea water
that we lived in before we evolved into human beings. Or when
life left the oceans and went up on to the continents. So they
gave transfusions to the bombing victims with seaweed juice.
That is what they injected into their veins, and they kept them
alive. There are many other things, good things that came out
of it. Medical things that they learned. So a lot of really
good things are going to come out of this. New understandings
about medicine and health and trace elements and all kinds of
stuff. People shouldn't be dismayed or hopeless or anything.
We have to keep our spiritual energy at a high level because
this is spiritual warfare. Our spirits are much mightier than
any military or army. It is spirituality that always counters
the dark energy, and this is one of the darkest times in the
history of humanity. So please, please, please, please join
this family. Please bring your good spirit. Please bring what
you have, resources, whatever you have, and I don't mean money.
Money of course is necessary, but there are a lot of things
that money simply can't buy. Those things a lot of times have
much greater value than money. So I just really want to thank
you, Christina, and your listeners and people who have provided
you with so much out of their own concerns. Now, none of this
is new. The harmful effects in terms of causing mutations, the
mutagenic
effects of effects of ionizing radiation were known before 1920,
and a very, very wonderful, very, very dedicated, very honest
man, Dr.
[Hermann] Muller in the United States, began studying the
effects of x-rays on fruit flies. And fruit flies, the Latin
name is Drosophila
melanogaster. They have a very short life cycle. So
you can expose a fruit fly or a group of fruit flies and watch
them over many, many generations that would be impossible to
do with human beings or other animals. What he discovered before
1920, is that when you expose a male fruit fly to x-rays and
damage the sperm, the DNA, the genetic material in the sperm,
he bred them with undamaged, unexposed female fruit flies, and
the damage in the sperm in the DNA of the male was actually
passed on to all future generations. This is for thousands
of generations that he studied from before 1920 all the way
into the 50's and 60's. Almost probably 60 or 70 years he did
those studies. He said that, he reported that the effects are
permanent, they are unpredictable in how they are expressed,
they are expressed in all future generations but in different
ways, and expression might skip generations. But the damage
is still there. In 1946, he won the Nobel Prize in medicine
and/or biology for his discoveries before 1920. So that indicates
that the people behind these technologies, proliferating all
this radiation all over the world and mixing it with chemicals
and everything, are very aware of those studies because they
used his data and information to actually turn it around and
weaponized it to use on humanity. There are many, many indications
of that, including the talks that Bertrand
Russell, the most dangerous man in the 20th century, gave
at Oxford in the 1930's, and he said we were going to do this.
We are going to sterilize 95% of the males, and 60% of the females,
and the 40% of females and 5% of males that are left who are
fertile will be bred to produce cannon fodder for our
wars. Bertrand Russell was part of the New World Order. They
were planning this a century ago. They just did not have the
technology. And so what we are seeing today as a result of Fukushima,
and you started collecting data right away, is that it is affecting
fertility, it is affecting embryos, and fetuses. This is in
plants and animals and in human beings. When it is in animals
and plants and human beings it has got to be an environmental
influence or toxin or whatever way you want to call it. You
had pictures of kittens that were born deformed. We will go
on and you can tell people about what you have collected. I
want to just say a couple of things about what was discovered
in Japan. There were Japanese scientists, wandering around Fukushima
Prefecture not long after the Fukushima disaster. There were
field samples collected in September 2011 and before that by
scientists. One of them was Joji Otaki, who collected
the pale grass blue butterflies, the size of a silver dollar.
He reported that there were many abnormal patterns in the dark
dots on their wings. He also noticed dents in their eyes. They
have compound eyes. Very strangely shaped wings and legs. He
is a professor at the University of the Ryukyus in Okinawa.
I have spoken there, and he was in the Abukuma mountains west
of the disaster area. He also found in the first generation,
that the abnormalities, the defects were within normal boundaries.
But when he kept breeding these butterflies like Muller did
in his laboratory, mutations in the offspring of that first
generation increased to 18%. These were then inherited genetic
damage. Then he collected more in September 2011 which represented
the fourth or fifth generations of those butterflies, just as
Muller did. They had even higher abnormality rates. They had
other deformities in the antennas, legs, and other body parts
that are extremely unusual. This was a comment by the Hokkaido
University entomologist Shin-ichi
Sakimoto who was studying the impact of
Fukushima fallout on aphids. These are insects he said that
are commonly assumed to be more resistant to radiation than
humans, but we know from Fukushima that they are not even changing
just individual species. Dr. [Satoshi] Mori [of Tokyo University]
reported defects in plant material, so he went out and collected
ferns, and he collected the cypress trees, and the reproductive
bodies or organs on the branches. He also collected, what else
did he collect? Oh, he even collected birds, and he laid these
on pieces of radiation-sensitive paper. He probably refrigerated
them because it took a month to get a radiograph of some of
them. In the ferns you could see, in the stomata,
the things they breathe through on the the leaves that had the
highest radiation contamination, in the birds it was in the
material they had eaten, like insects and leaves, plant material
that was in their stomachs, the dust on their wings, the food
in their stomachs, had the highest contamination levels in the
birds. The strangest thing of al was on the cypress trees. This
is exactly what is happening in the human population. Normally
in the cypress trees, all of the female organs are on one branch,
and the male reproductive organs are on a different branch.
They are not found on the same branches. When he went out and
collected these cypress trees after Fukushima, he discovered
the males and the females were mixed up now on the same branches.
So there were female reproductive structures that were growing
out of the male reproductive structures, it was all mixed up.
This is called inter-sex. It is when both sexes are found in
one organism, when there should only be one, it should be male
or female. Now it is happening in human beings. We are seeing,
there is a very large increase in hermaphrodites. These are
humans with male and female reproductive cells in their tissues.
Now I am reading all the time about babies. In Japan they just
kill all the abnormal babies. They abort them, or they are born
and they just tell the mother that the baby died, and they are
not allowed to see them, because they are hiding the birth defects.
In the U.S. they are doing the same thing. When you have inter-sex,
expressed in the human population, and in animals, the birds,
and in fish, and in plants, then it has to be an environmental
cause. So those were some of the early studies the Japanese
scientists reported, and I have been to the Japanese Scientific
Association in Tokyo to one of their meetings. There were two
women and five hundred men, and they are very, very excellent
scientists. They have been extremely courageous, just as the
Japanese medical people were after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It
has always been a great pleasure to work with them. It is pretty
hard to find scientists to work with here in the U.S. because
they are afraid of losing their jobs. The effects from the radiation
exposure in Japan are very similar to the effects here that
are being reported, and very similar, same effects that Yablokov
reported after Chernobyl in Russia.
[1:03:39]
Christina: Leuren, when we are talking about
all these things that breed at this increased rate like the
butterflies, the fruit flies, and so forth, is it safe to assume
at this point because it will be decades if not centuries where
the human generations would catch up to this or be able to analyze
this, that if it happening to the plants and butterflies, and
the fish, and all these things, that it is happening in humans
too, especially when Dr. Mueller's research had indicated all
the way back in 1920 that for every birth defect that is expressed
externally, there are ten more internally, that don't show up
until subsequent generations,
L. Moret: That's correct. So at Christmas time,
now I was really shocked at Christmas time. I was walking up
and down the sidewalks, and you know families and mothers and
children and babies were out shopping for Christmas. So people
you don't normally see were out on the streets and on the buses,
and Christina I was really horrified because I saw children,
babies, these are all babies born after Fukushima with birth
defects of the eyes, that indicates exposure in the first 30
days after conception, because the eyes and the brain and the
neural tube, which the limbs and the spine form from, they all
develop in the first 30 days after conception in humans. The
saddest thing that I saw, was a little blond, blue-eyed, beautiful
toddler girl at Christmas time. I was on a bus. I saw her over
my feet. I turned around and saw her and was looking at how
pretty she was, so I started talking to her baby sitter, who
was kind of a middle-aged African American woman, a very nice
woman. So we were talking, and I said, "Oh, she is so beautiful."
And she was telling me about taking care of her and everything.
She said, "She is just my angel." I didn't want to
talk back to back, so I moved in front of her and I was facing
her, and I kept looking at the toddler, and there was something
wrong. Her legs looked kind of like elephant feet, and her arms
were very short and they weren't coming out of her sleeves,
and I thought well, maybe she just needed to have them rolled
up. The woman was observing me. She was very intelligent and
she said to me, "Well this little girl," she sort
of, it just came out of her mouth, she said "This beautiful
little girl, she will never be taller than she is now because
she is a dwarf." The endocrine system is the thyroid gland,
the pituitary gland, and the adrenal gland, which is down in
your abdomen above the pancreas. Those three glands control
with messenger molecules that they send all over the body, all
the functions of the body. Growth is one of the functions that
they control. So obviously damage had been done to her thyroid
or pituitary or adrenal gland, and it was permanent damage,
because she will never be any taller than she is. Now when I
see dwarfs, I see them on television or I think of them during
bomb testing, now I understand what happened to them. They were
internally exposed and damaged by ionizing radiation. The sad
thing is we are going to see more and more of this occurring.
It is going to expand and multiply through the entire biosphere
and all living things in it, because now people with radiation
damage are breeding with other people with radiation damage,
and it is multiplying the effects. A good example of this cumulative
effect is in cows in England. Cattle in England, when they are
finished, they don't send them to the glue factory, they grind
them up and they make cattle feed out of dead cows and they
feed them back to the cattle population. Now what is interesting
is anything contaminating those dead cows is going to increase
the levels in the living cows, and sure enough, the cattle,
mad cow disease, or porphyria,
started being reported in cattle in England and it kept increasing.
No one was supposed to know what the cause was, but the British
certainly did know, because they were also secretly analyzing
the bones of the living cattle with porphyria, and taking brain
sample tissues from the dead cattle, and Dr. Chris Busby was
one of them. He said, "We took brain tissue from the dead
cows, dead from mad cow disease, and we incinerated it and then
we analyzed it for heavy metals, and the brains were loaded
with plutonium. They discovered that the plutonium levels were
getting higher and higher every year. Some of it could have
been coming out of the nuclear power plants, but not that much.
It was because they were feeding dead contaminated cows to living
cows, and just the levels were accumulating in each new generation,
and that is exactly what is going to happen here. Because the
whole entire air column, all of our food, our drinking water,
the oceans where the fish come from, fish are very high in nutritional
value, fish have essential oils too that we need, and dairy
products -- everything is contaminated now. The levels
are just going to increase in our bodies, in the bodies of our
children and all future generations and plants and animals that
we eat, the drinking water, and the surface drinking water is
contaminated from rain water and snow and run off. But now they
are fracking,
which is the same thing as BP spraying Corexit all over the
Gulf and the East Coast. The fracking also uses extremely toxic
chemicals. We have a surplus of natural gas everywhere, so there
is no reason for them to continue prospecting for gas. We do
not have enough storage facilities in the United States to store
what they are producing. But the producers, the gas industry,
has to keep producing or they lose the leases on the mineral
rights to drill and develop gas wells, so they are sort of caught
in a hard place. They have to keep producing or they lose their
leases, mineral rights, or their production rights, exploration
rights. So now they are poisoning all the ground water, which
in many cases is millions of years old. It is extremely pristine,
and it is deliberately being poisoned with horrible chemicals.
Guess who is doing all the fracking? It is Halliburton,
which is owned by Rothschild. That is who is poisoning the world.
It is the international financiers. They are fracking all over
the world, especially all over the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth
is [comprised of] the most targeted countries, along with the
United States, while we should be in the Commonwealth, but we
are the colony that was not. The Queen is simply taking back
her colony, the United States, and destroying the whole population
while she does it. [1:12:48]
Christina: Some of the previous interviews
that you have given, you have talked about the decline in high
school seniors' SAT tests, particularly during the peak of atmospheric
testing in 1963. I believe the scores dropped overall 12%.
L. Moret: Yes, and never recovered.
Christina: I came across some information from,
this was actually published in The Atlantic in September
2011, that the class of 2011's SAT scores also dropped significantly,
in fact they had fallen to their lowest levels in nearly 40
years.
L. Moret: That is the end of bomb-testing.
One of the scientists I worked with throughout this, I started
working with him in 2000, is Dr.
Ernest Sternglass who is one of the finest human beings
that I know. A wonderful, wonderful man who stood up to the
nuclear industry. He was working for General Electric, and he
supported nuclear power when they were developing it. But he
is not only a physicist, but he is an engineer. He finally realized
what a scam nuclear power was. While he was working at GE, he
started going to Washington, D.C. because his wife made him,
or she went with him, and she said "You have to do this
for the children of America." He started testifying in
Congress against nuclear power. Then he was also very,
very strongly opposed to nuclear bomb testing and wrote many,
many articles that were published all over the United States
and actually all over the world, opposing nuclear bomb tests,
because he said the radioactive fallout is killing our children
and causing cancer. Well, President John F. Kennedy, is the
only President who has been concerned about the children of
America and the dangers of radiation exposure. One of his advisors
gave him a paper that Sternglass had written and Sternglass
convinced Kennedy, or helped to convince him, to get the Partial
Test Ban Treaty passed in 1963. And Sternglass actually
testified in the Senate for President Kennedy who was desperate
to get the Partial Test Ban Treaty ratified by the Senate and
then he could sign it into law. And it worked. It worked. Also
surrounding the White House with baby buggies, pushed by little
old ladies, grandmothers in tennis shoes, also was a very, very
strong demonstration, very high profile, that also helped to
convince the public and also the government agencies promoting
bomb testing and nuclear power, to end the bomb tests. The nuclear
industry was extremely upset. They would have assassinated Sternglass
if they could have, but he was too high profile. I really believe
that I would have been assassinated by now if I hadn't been
so [high] profile. I had no idea what I was doing. I had no
idea who I was bucking or who I was challenging, but I was just
desperate to stop all this nuclear nightmare and the nuclear
power plants in Japan. So it is very dangerous if you are doing
it all by yourself. There is a tremendous risk of retaliation.
But when we all come together, there is many more of us, and
that is more frightening for this dark energy to face a nation
of people opposing their policies. There are very few of them,
actually. We can actually stop this. I have absolutely no doubt
at all if more and more people come together in their communities,
in their states and counties, and in countries eventually. So
if we just keep working and putting this information out and
educating each other, sooner or a later it becomes obvious to
them that they just simply have to stop. Followed by Kennedy
stopping the bomb testing by open air testing, by the U.S.,
the Soviet Union, and Britain, that helped to reduce the kill
off of the fish in the ocean. Sternglass studied and published
a paper. No, he didn't publish it. I want to publish it as a
historic paper, because he was able to show that the fishing
catch in the Pacific dropped 65% in the North Pacific during
the bomb tests there, and it never did recover because the nuclear
power plants and the further tests by Asian countries, they
kept testing, the French did too, and so the fishing catch in
the Pacific never recovered. The official story is that it was
over fishing, but when he checked the data on the number of
fishermen and the fishing catch, it was not over fishing by
the fishermen, it was the fishermen catching fewer and fewer
fish because they were dying from the fallout falling into the
oceans. That is certainly happening to the Pacific multiplied
by many times because the radiation released from Fukushima
is much greater than probably during the bomb tests. In the
Atlantic, the fishing catch declined 50% in five years. As soon
as the bomb tests stopped, it over-recovered. It was twice as
much as their peak fishing catch before the bomb testing within
just three or four years. So the adult fish that were the breeders
were not too damaged, and as soon as you turned the radiation
off, the normal reproduction not only happened, but the fish
overproduced which is a mechanism in nature that exposed populations
or damaged populations overproduce in order for their population
to recover. So if we turn all this stuff off right now, or in
a very short time or gradually, populations will recover, but
there is also going to be a lot of genetic damage.
Christina: Many people that have followed this
show, and have paid attention, and learned everything they can
not only about Fukushima, but the history of the nuke industry,
the lies, the cover up, and how incredibly damaging nuclear
radiation is to humans, I think have realized that we have nothing
to lose by going public with this information. That we need
to try to recruit everybody we possibly can, to pay attention
to this because the type of illnesses and sicknesses and cancers
that come from this are so much more aggressive. As a child
it is difficult enough to be alive today and have a quality
of life with all the stress of school and employment, and things
like that, but if you are sick, on top of it, you have no quality
of life.
L. Moret: Well I would just like to compare
and predict the consequences of Fukushima on the Japanese population,
to the consequences of Fukushima on the U.S. population. First
of all, the Japanese have probably the highest food standards
in the world. They have an extremely nutritious diet. They rely
very heavily on the ocean for their food. They eat seaweed,
fish, crustaceans, all kinds of sea life that we wouldn't even
think of eating here. They also have a wonderful diet of vegetables,
fruit, that is not processed like our food is. So what started
happening is Japan at the time Admiral Perry went to Japan,
Japan was completely isolationist,. They needed nothing from
any other country. They did not trade very much with other countries.
They produced everything at home, and they had a very healthy
population. We also had a very healthy population in the United
States until World War II. Following World War II, mainly through
the influence of the Rockefellers, and the bankers, J.P. Morgan
and so forth, our diet and our food started being more and more
processed. Now in Japan, because they are so aware of food quality
and everything, and because their customs has been so vigilant
about monitoring all food quality of food imported into Japan,
the Japanese have had a lower radiation exposure despite Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, than the American public, so they had a baseline
of better health when Fukushima happened than we have in the
United States. So we are gong to be very, very severely impacted
because after World War II the U.S. Government turned the entire
country into a nuclear bomb factory. That was to produce the
nuclear weapons program. Then they wanted to test the nuclear
weapons. So they tested them on Bikini Atoll and in the Marshall
Islands, and nuked all of those poor indigenous populations.
I mean, they bombed paradise. That was the end of paradise.
They deliberately used the Pacific Islanders as guinea pigs.
If you read the notes of some of the scientists involved who
were responsible for health effects and everything, they just
said, "Oh well, the Pacific Islanders are not really like
us. You know, advanced human beings. They are more like the
mice, but they are kind of like human beings too." But
this is the whole racist thing that comes in now, which the
eugenics that has been around a long time, it came from England,
all this crap comes from England. After the bomb testing program,
they introduced nuclear power plants in the U.S. We have 110
nuclear power plants. It is more than any other country in the
world. Japan was saddled with or coerced, it was racketeering
and extortion, to get them to put nuclear power in Japan. How
can you have 55 nuclear power plants in a country the size of
California?
Christina: And with what is going on there
tectonically too, where the four faults meet, they are all moving,
the plates all move in all different directions.
L. Moret: That's right. It is the most dangerous
place in the world to build nuclear power. Then by the 1970's,
after many law suits and American citizens fighting every way
they could, the nuclear power industry, they weren't able to
stop nuclear power, they couldn't turn off the ones that were
operating, but they were able to cancel all the contracts
in the 70's for new nuclear power plants. They wanted to put
like 25 or 30 nuke plants in California! They wanted to put
one in Silicon Valley. It is so crazy. So the U.S. ended up
with nuclear power, 110 plants, and I collected with Dr. Sternglass
and a few other scientists, including Dr. Janette Sherman who
was the editor for Dr. Yablokov on the Chernobyl book, we collected
over 6,000 baby teeth in the United States, and I went to Japan
and made the first collection there, and some of us, some of
the other scientists collected them in England. We discovered
that the strontium 90 in baby teeth, which was one of the reasons
that the scientists were able to convince the president and
American citizens to stop bomb testing in the U.S., the levels
now and when we collected them after 1990, the levels in baby
teeth were higher in the United States and Japan and England
than during nuclear bomb tests. That is from nuclear power plants.
Christina: I think we need a new baby tooth
study. [1:27:28]
L. Moret: We need a new baby teeth study, and
also the highest rates of breast cancer were in the United States.
We crunched all the CDC numbers by county. The highest rates
of breast cancer, 2/3 of all breast cancer cases in the U.S.
in the 1980's, were in the counties within a 100 miles of nuclear
power plants. So that is where the baby teeth have the highest
Strontium 90 also. After 1300, one thousand three hundred nuclear
bomb tests in Nevada, at the Nevada Test Site, then they put
110 nuclear power plants in the U.S., and if you look at a power
plant map in the U.S., there along the East Coast they are obviously
nuking the East Coast population, the densest ones. They wanted
to put a nuclear power plant in Harlem, in New York City, which
is where the black community lives. So here is where the racism
comes in again. There are nuclear power plants all over Southwest
that are upwind from the Native American populations, and also
around the Great Lakes and in Canada upwind especially the Mohawk
native Canadian population. So here we have very, very, very
obvious targeted populations that are minorities, native Americans
and blacks in the U.S., and the poor. It is very, very obvious
that this is eugenics, for the purpose of eugenics. I want to
recommend a book by Edwin Black, called The
War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create
a Master Race. That is the beginning of the nuclear
nightmare. Eugenics was brought from England by a Rockefeller
mother in the 20's. They funded eugenics in Germany by the Nazis.
They actually supported Nazi scientists. The Rockefellers funded
their research on eugenics in the 30's and 40's. The eugenics
just goes right on, because now they are using nuclear materials,
nuclear pollution, to target populations all over the world
and food supplies.
Christina: Like milk in inner city stores?
L. Moret: Absolutely. What I discovered, I
found this New York Times article, God it was pages,
it was a very, very long article, three or four pages in the
New York Times a few years ago, on diabetes. They had
a global map of diabetes. Well, the global map of diabetes death
showed that they were in the same latitude in the northern hemisphere
and the southern hemisphere as the bomb tests by Russia, the
U.S., England, France, and China. I just said, "My God,
the nuclear bombs are mostly depleted uranium, thousands of
pounds of depleted uranium, packed as a reflector or a mirror
around a tiny plutonium core that is about the size of an orange,
which weighs less than 20 lbs." So I said, "Well then
uranium has to be the main polluter from the nuclear bomb test
era, and the diabetes is in the same latitudes as the nuclear
bomb tests. So uranium has to be the main cause of diabetes
since World War II." Now Ernest Sternglass calculated the
decline in fishing catch in the Pacific, and then he correlated
it with the total kiloton equivalent of nuclear testing in the
Nevada Test Site each year. He was able to calculate the exact
number of becquerels of radiation that produced a decline in
the fishing catch. It always correlated perfectly. Also, the
decline in the SAT scores in U.S. children exactly correlated
with the total kilotonnage
each year of nuclear bomb-testing at Nevada. So there you have
it. The brain damage, the damage to the biopshere, the fishing
catch in the Atlantic and Pacific. It is always a much more
severe effect on the youngest members of our population, whether
they are animals or people.
Christina: I have a list of chronic diseases
in Americans that have risen significantly since 1945. It is
a pretty extensive list: arterial sclerosis, hypertension, diabetes,
ischemic
conditions such as stroke, chronic inflammatory disease, rhematioid
arthritis, irritable bowel syndrome, lung diseases, cystic fibrosis,
oxidative stress and cancer, neurological and neurodegenerative
diseases, Down's Syndrome, MS, Prion
Disease, and then immune system damage. Can these
all be related to the atmospheric fallout and nuke plants?
L. Moret: It is all nuclear pollution. I am
so happy to hear you presenting that on your program. That is
what I have been putting out, hoping that people would use the
information and they do. They are very respectful of using it
accurately and correctly. It is really wonderful. It is from
a book by the Oxford University Press, Oxford Science publication.
It is by Barry Halliwell and John Gutteridge. You don't need
to remember any of that. The book title is Free
Radicals in Biology and Medicine. The first time I
looked at this, Free Radicals in Biology and Medicine,
and there is a fourth edition now, I was looking through the
front of the book at the contents, and any book like that which
is revised four times has to be really solid science. In this
book, in the contents at the beginning of the book, it has that
list. I also went through the entire index at the end. I looked
at all the illnesses that are caused by free radicals. Nothing
produces more free radicals, higher concentrations of free radicals,
higher numbers of free radicals, than ionizing radiation because
it is energy. In nuclear materials that huge amount of energy
comes out of the nucleus. Well that energy that is in the nucleus
of plutonium, uranium, fission products, whatever, that is actually
coming from the star process that these elements were formed
in. Uranium and plutonium, for instance, formed in super novas.
So in the nucleus of a uranium or plutonium atom, is a piece
of a super nova. Our bodies are basically bags of water. We
are 95% or more water. So when you drop a piece of a supernova
in a bag of water, you kind of boil off what is supposed to
be there and really screw it up. So that is the plight that
we are facing now. But I have a friend who is a lawyer, and
also a ham radio operator and also a polymath. That is kind
of a renaissance person. A very broad thinker. She told me that
you can counteract HAARP with short wave radio. So we can counteract
all these free radicals and the damage they are doing with electromagnetic
frequencies. And actually the Russians and Eastern Europeans
have been doing that for almost a century, for a very long time.
But the U.S. would not touch it. They did not want it in this
country. They ran all the doctors out who were doing it and
probably outlawed their technology. Our bodies are electrical
systems, our DNA is a double helix. It is actually an antennae.
It transmits and receives frequencies, and other parts of our
body do too. They are using Tesla Technology and these frequencies,
the bad guys, to make us sick, but we can actually, with very,
very simple technologies, like short wave radio technologies,
we can counteract it. I have something called a biomat,
b-i-o-m-a-t, that produces infrared frequencies. That is the
way that information flows through our bodies and between living
things without speaking. It is through infrared light. I sleep
on that every night. It also folds like a cushion in a chair.
I can sit with it on my back and sit on the cushion. That restores
and counteracts the EMF transmissions that the police and law
enforcement and Homeland Security are targeting us with and
making us sick, because they are altering the frequencies that
are very specific in each cell of our bodies, and making them
dysfunctional, which is what causes disease. When you transmit
the correct frequency to parts of your body that are diseased,
you can immediately restore your health. You can counteract
cancer. You can stop many, many chronic illnesses just by correcting
the frequency that the cells are functioning at. [1:39:10]
Christina: Yes, I would like to invite to the
listeners to check out a documentary that you can find on YouTube
called Resonance,
Beings of Frequency. It talks about WIFI signals and what
it does to our health on a cellular level. Speaking of energy
and free radicals, we talk about mitigation on our show. We
have done shows just on that. On detox. But there are two things
that I think are really important for people to know about.
One is T'ai Chi,
which you have talked about in previous lectures, and how that
has helped people that you know, practicing T'ai Chi, and also
cannabis
for radiation mitigation.
L. Moret: Yes, and also it is known, also Lee
Harvey Oswald was working on this at Tulane University before
he got caught in the JFK [assassination], he was the patsy really,
it was a set up, but he was working on LSD experiments at Tulane
University in New Orleans, where they were restoring DNA damage
and breakage with LSD. LSD can repair genetic damage. I also
discovered that the nebicannebles [spelling?] and other chemical
attributes of marijuana [1:40:48] also have a health benefit.
Now I went to a lot of native tribes, indigenous people, and
I asked them what is your cure for diabetes, because I read
in Dr. Price's book, he was a dentist in the 30's who went all
over the world and studied the health of indigenous people living
on their natural diets compared to indigenous people who had
contact with Western food, and especially white flour and sugar.
He reported that a native person got sick and went into a hospital
in British Columbia, and the doctors came in after a few days
and said, "You have diabetes. How did you stay alive? What
in the world were you taking?" He said, "Oh, I just
drink this tea every morning." They said, "What do
you make it from?" He said "It is from the bark on
the root of a plant that grows in the woods all over British
Columbia called Devil's
Club. You can actually buy that over the Internet. That
Devil's Club, that root, has some chemical in it that restores
the damaged part of the body that causes diabetes to become
normal again. The pancreas produces insulin, and the diabetes
goes away. And so I met a medicine woman from Vancouver Island
at an indigenous people's gathering in Nevada, and I asked her
about it. She said "Oh yes, I use that all the time."
But she said, "Actually I can completely cure diabetes.
I have done it to lots of people." So all these chronic
illnesses that have been caused by bankers trying to increase
their profits, and feed off of these, I guess you could call
us aphids,
living in the global ant farm that the bankers have created,
they are producing all these schemes to steal our lives, steal
our children, steal our land, steal our spirituality so that
they can profit from it. As unbelievable as that is, that is
exactly what they are doing. So by going back to the indigenous
people, studying their diets, using the cures and the herbal
treatments that they used, we can actually counteract the illnesses
the bankers are causing in the global population. Something
people should do is to eat a lot of root vegetables. Beets actually
counteract cancer. Highly colored fruit and vegetables have
molecules that counteract free radicals, and free radicals are
what cause cancer and a lot of illnesses. Turnips, carrots,
purple potatoes, there are a lot of purple potatoes originally
from Peru high in the mountains. Those have a lot of antioxidants
just like blueberries. The food is all around us. We have to
be much more selective about what we eat. I have planted a garden
because I don't want to eat food that I don't know where it
came from or how it was grown. I have noticed since Obama was
re-elected in January, I mean sworn in January of 2013, I have
noticed that the chicken and pork, the cheaper-priced chicken
and pork, absolutely has a horrible smell when you cook it now.
I have asked people why, and they say "Oh, that is the
factory farmed animals." I don't know what is in it, but
I know they are putting arsenic in chicken feed to make the
chickens eat more. It increases their appetite, so they put
on more weight gain, and then the farmers and the middlemen
make more money off them. I know our food in America is poisoned.
They are pasteurizing the milk. That kills the nutritional quality
of the milk. They are exposing to Cobalt 60, gamma rays, spices
and other food products. Spices are extremely nutritious,
and you should never buy spices that have been x-rayed or exposed
to radiation, because it kills the nutritional value. Nobody
should be using microwaves. That is killing the nutrition in
food. People should be preparing their own food. You can also,
whatever food you can buy from other countries, buy rice from
Pakistan and India, because it is not genetically modified.
Everything in America potentially is genetically modified and
that is poisoned food. So we need to do more shows to discuss
these issues more fully and in more detail. But I did tell a
man in Canada, in Nova Scotia when he called me in a panic after
Fukushima happened and he said, "I am a vegetarian."
He said, "I don't want to eat any of this poisoned food
that comes from gardens or from agricultural production. What
should I eat?" I said eat the root vegetables like they
did after Chernobyl in Russia. You just boil them in water for
five minutes, pour that water off with the radiation that comes
off of the root hairs, and the exterior of the root vegetable.
Then you can peel them if you want to and prepare them the way
you normally do, bake or fry or make soup or whatever. He was
ecstatic. Three months later he said, "My God, I have so
much energy now. I am a new man. I can't believe how great I
feel eating root vegetables." And I said, "Well, you
were very undernourished just eating what vegans eat, without
being selective about eating more nutritious vegetables. So
I started going into Mexican and Chinese markets in the Bay
area. There are a lot of them in the East Bay where I live around
Berkeley. You can buy purple corn from Peru. My sister made
a film there, and she was high in the mountains 10,000 feet
in Peru for months making this film, hiking between villages,
and she said, "Oh, I used to buy that purple corn from
the villagers. They boil it, and then you take it with you as
you track to the next village. You just pull the colonels off
and eat it. She told me about the purple potatoes in Peru. She
was never hungry and she wasn't stressed in any way from the
food there. Actually she felt better. So these are things we
can do. Go to the ethnic grocery stores and shop there. I am
buying the Mexican raw sugar that is just the way it comes out
of the sugar cane. It is not processed at all. It is much more
delicious. It comes in these kinds of cone shapes. It is called
piloncillo.
from Mexico, and you can buy it in any Mexican grocery store.
I just shave it off with a knife. I use it to make cakes in
my coffee every morning. I sweeten everything with it and I
don't use any sugar. And so there are many, many more things
that we can talk about. All of the wheat in the United States
is genetically modified. That is why Americans are bloated.
They are not overweight, they are bloated. Because as soon as
they go off of white flour, and the poisoned food in our diet,
they lose weight very quickly. That is not fat, it is water
because they are bloated. So there are many things that we can
change and do if we are aware of them, and the only way we can
become aware of them is by sharing this information with each
other and acting on it. So yes, this is a disaster. But I want
to remind everyone that the Chinese character for disaster is
the same character they use for opportunity. So let's turn this
lemon that has happened to us into lemonade for everyone, and
we can with the generosity of the people like you, the generosity
of heart of the people who have provided the monitoring of defects
and damage at Fukushima in our environment and in our own bodies
and living things around us. Let's keep this up, lets make more
noise, let's inform other countries, other people. We have the
Internet to do that with. Really after the disaster, the nuclear
weapons program, nuclear testing, nuclear power plants, I am
talking about America, and the depleted uranium and mini-nukes
that they have been using since 1990 in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia,
Lebanon, Gaza, and many other countries. Mindanao
in the Philippines and Japan, Okinawa. They have contaminated
the whole world, the U.S. has, with uranium. Who did it? Well,
just look straight across the Atlantic to the Anglo-Dutch Monarchies.
The Queen of England and the Queen of Holland have been very,
very involved in producing the technologies, the raw materials
like uranium, and all of the drugs that have flooded this world,
that actually compose the real world economy, which is a drug
economy, and it is five times more money than the legitimate
economy that most people believe is running the world. It is
not, it is drugs. And it is those two gangsters in tiaras, Queen
Elizabeth and Queen
Beatrix, who are poisoning and destroying the whole planet
and all the bankers behind them.
[1:52:11]
Christina: Leuren, would you like to advise
anyone who has taken it upon themselves to learn everything
they can about Fukushima and radiation, some of them have gone
out and actually bought Geiger counters, they are posting graphs
online, that are discussing in different forums how the weather
could be contributing, they are trying very hard to help us
figure this out, and yet they are continually attacked by people
saying "It is radon, it is radon, it is radon."
L. Moret: Oh, that is the Department of Energy
mantra. That is their meme.
That is their excuse. But it is not radon. What I would like
to say is that we are the university. We are the new
university of humankind. We are the new university to save the
biosphere and to protect all living things. We cannot be any
healthier than the health of the environment. We should not
wait for governments. All governments are terrorist organizations.
They really are. And the Manhattan Project scientist, the dear
man, Dr. Marion Fulk who taught me all of this, he said, one
of the first things he told me, he spent ten years educating
me in his home on all of this. He said, "Just remember
something: All governments are terrorist organizations."
So if we start out on that premise, we are going to be much
healthier and happier and less confused than if we think the
government is going to protect us or help us or save us or take
care of us. That is ridiculous. Why would you want to be taken
care of, anyway. Once you give up control to someone else or
some other entity, you lose control. So we need to
take back our world. We need to take back our communities. We
need to take back our health and our happiness and our lives.
We do not need universities. Universities were created by the
financiers, by the bankers, to make profits for them. Universities
are where GMO was discovered and developed. Universities are
where nuclear bombs were developed. The University of California
especially. I call it the university that poisoned the world,
because the University of California has had the management
contract for the nuclear weapons labs since 1943 or 1942. Why
is a university making weapons of mass destruction if they are
not in bed or created or have very close ties to the bankers,
the international financiers, the City of London jerks. Also
the Manhattan Project scientists said to me, I took my daughter
to meet him when she had just graduated from high school, she
was on her way to UC Davis. He said "Just remember something."
to her, 18 years old. "The university is not the classroom
and it is not the professors. The university is the library."
So all we need is the library and the Internet and each other.
We don't need anything from anybody else. We just need each
other. You have done a great, great service to humanity, to
give ordinary people, citizens, sane people, a forum, a place
to collect information. What you are doing is wonderful. We
just need to keep doing it. And to spread this around the world
so other people can do it. By September of 2011, no one would
even interview me any more. I had done those interviews and
exposed so much about the politicians, the governments, the
bankers, the queens who were behind HAARP and the Fukushima
disaster that I was completely blackballed. Well, my friend
Alfred said, he is the one who interviewed me, "Leuren,
don't worry, I will just put them all on YouTube." My God,
I had much greater penetration of that information
all over the planet than if I tried to do a bunch of radio interviews
or talks where you know, you have to fly across the country
and go into an auditorium. Maybe there are 20 people there.
Maybe there are 50 people. But you just put it on YouTube and
it really, really goes everywhere. And the most important thing,
Christina, is not to get in anybody's way. I put the information
out. I know it is correct, and I let go of it. What people do
with it is none of my business. I don't want to get in their
way. They get much more creative than if I try to tell them
what to do with the information. It is our adventure, Christina,
and you are a very big part of it. I would really like to thank
you for doing that.
Christina: Well we would love to have you on
to go into much more detail about many of the topics that we
talked about today. One thing that I have learned from you is
that we can't limit ourselves by the science that know or think
we know, especially when we are faced with a situation that
has never happened before. I would like to read something. This
was a statement that you made after a wonderful lecture that
you gave in Portland in April 2011 that said, "We really
need to read more. All I am doing is giving you a framework
for a puzzle. There are many pieces that you have already that
you have no way to tie it all together. I have put a velcro
patch on your brain to collect info. Put it in a framework.
Share it with others. You create your own database of information
that you collect and trust. This empowers us to speak out and
act in a positive way and help each other. All these small lights
going on that will help us and save us.
L. Moret: Wow, I just feel like crying. Thank
you so much.
Christina: Thank you for your time today.
L. Moret: I have been so desperate to get this
information out. Thank you so much. This is the real reward
of doing work like this. It is really the only reward that has
value. It is loving people. It is getting love back. It is empowering
people. It is being empowered in the same process. Do you know
what Gandhi
said?
Christina: What?
L. Moret: I won't ever forget this. Gandhi
said, "The miracle of the nuclear age is not how it changed
the world, it is how it changes us." And we will all be
better for this, because it will present us with chances, with
challenges, with opportunities, and with no other choice but
to begin to act because nobody is going to bail us out of this."
Christina: Thanks again, Leuren.
L. Moret: Thank you Christina, very very much.
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