Dr. James Fetzer
erview with

Leuren Moret

Fukushima and
the Global Danger

The Real Deal

18 July 2011


Editor's Note: This transcription provided
by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books
is reasonably but not totally accurate for
false flag research purposes.

2011-07-18 "Fukushima and the Global Danger." Dr. James Fetzer interview with Leuren Moret, web page Here, (The Real Deal, MP3 download link Here, 42.1 MB, 1:59:50)


Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal with my very special guest today Leuren Moret who is an independent geoscientist who has been tracking events in Japan related to the Fukushima disaster and her latest results are so stunning and disturbing that I rearranged my schedule so I could have Leuren on today rather than a week from now. Leuren, it is a great pleasure to have you back on the Real Deal
Leuren Moret: Thank you very much.
Dr. Fetzer: You were mentioning some monitoring of radiation levels in Japan, and from what you were telling me it sounds very, very disturbing.
L. Moret: It is very disturbing. A former minister, I believe of the interior in Japan exposed the government cover-up, and said that the actual radiation levels measured in Japan by the government had been reduced by three decimal points before they reported them. And that is a thousand times --
Dr. Fetzer: Three decimal points, Leuren!
L. Moret: That is a thousand times lower than what they actually measured.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, that is stunning! What duplicity! What deceit! How misleading can you get? And this involves life and death.
L. Moret: Well, they got caught because last night, that would be July 18th in Japan, Dr. Chris Busby, the low level radiation expert for the British government and the European parliament is on a speaking tour. And he reported in the press conferences and the public forums the results of his analysis of air filters from cars and trucks in Tokyo and Fukushima and Chiba, which is halfway between Tokyo and Fukushima. And what he was able to determine from the radiation he measured on the air filter and microscopic evaluation is that by knowing the type of engine and the volume of the engine as well as the mileage that was put on the car since March 11th, he could actually calculate the radiation concentration in the air at peak levels, or the average level I guess during that period since March 11th. And what he reported I was really shocked, Jim. He said that from an air filter that had been in a car for four months, that had been driving back and forth between Tokyo and Chiba which is maybe a hundred miles, he discovered that by measuring the radiation on the filter and using the calculations on the engine size and the time that it had been driven, the air concentrations of radiation in Japan in the Chiba area were three [hundred] times the radiation concentrations at the peak of atmospheric testing in 1963.
Dr. Fetzer: That is pretty disturbing Leuren. That is suggestive -- is very, very high, and for a Japanese interior minister to reduce by, you know, a thousand times --
L. Moret: No, he exposed that the government had reduced it --
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, I understand that, I understand that. I mean it is just shocking that kind of misinformation -- I mean since it is deliberate it is disinformation that would be given to the people of Japan about the contamination of their own atmosphere.
L. Moret: Well, you know what the coolest thing is about radiation? It can be whatever you want it to be. It is a spin-doctor's dream. It is invisible, you can't taste it, you can't see it, and most people can't measure it. You have to have a Geiger counter, and even more sophisticated instruments or technology to really analyze it properly. So it can all be manipulated. However, that must be correct because on June 9th, Dr. Janette Sherman and Joseph Mengano who I worked with for eight years -- we still work together -- they looked at centers for disease control data which is for infant mortality which I think is reported weekly by county for the United States. They looked at eight cities in the U.S., and those cities were, oh dear, I don't have a list of them, anyway those cities included Seattle, Santa Cruz in California, Berkeley --
Dr. Fetzer: Los Angeles, probably.
L. Moret: Portland, Oregon, anyway West Coast cities.
Dr. Fetzer: San Diego, no doubt.
L. Moret: No, they did not include L.A. and San Diego. But what they found was a 35% increase in infant morality since March 11th.
Dr. Fetzer: Really?
L. Moret: It is a dramatic increase in baby deaths in the U.S. and it is most definitely the result of Fukushima fallout. Now what happened is immediately there was a global attack by academics, scholars, radiation -- the nuclear establishment officials all over the world, and the really big attack came out in the Scientific American in the June 21st issue by Michael Moyer. And they attacked Janette Sherman and Joseph Bengano and said they had cherry-picked the cities and that the spike was a fantasy. It was incorrect. They had exaggerated, and so forth and so on. So they had one of their own statisticians as well as people in the comments section reevaluate the information. And so the critics cherry-picked four cities. They picked the infant mortality in Portland, Tacoma, Seattle, and Spokane. And they calculated the infant mortality and came up with a 42% increase [Dr. Fetzer laughs] in those four cities, and that is consistent because there are two factors that determine the level of radioactive contamination in the environment and in people, and that is whether it is rainfall, fog, moisture, snow, which washes the radiation out of the atmosphere into the environment, and the surface, the upper dust level, which is the top three centimeters is where most of it ends up. And the Japanese government was measuring the radiation levels 83 feet high up in the air. So they had very reduced levels compared to what was on the sidewalks, and in the parks, and on the grass and in the streets. And so the --
Dr. Fetzer: Wasn't this terribly embarrassing to the author of the Scientific American article? Does this re-review of the data show that it was even worse?
L. Moret: Well, it certainly was embarrassing, and then on July 5th, just a week and a half later, the Canadian Health Department in British Columbia reported an infant mortality spike there. And of course they blamed it on parents sleeping with babies and things like that --
Dr. Fetzer: Oh c'mon, c'mon Leuren, those factors are constant across the environment, across time, so they can't possibly be the explanation.
L. Moret: Well, enough people are foolish enough to believe them. But that does confirm what Dr. Sherman reported. And it is consistent with the high rainfall in the northwest, and so their levels would be even higher than cities in California. Now we can't get infant mortality increases in the contaminated areas of Japan -- actually the whole country is [contaminated], because the U.S. and the Department of Energy and Dr. Steven Chu and Dr. Koonan are controlling the emergency response and they are controlling what TEPCO does. And the documents that are being released jointly in Japan by the Japanese government and the U.S. government -- actually a friend of mine hacked one of the maps of contamination in northern Japan and underneath the top layer was the map, was the same map, but it said "The Department of Energy." So it is the Department of Energy that is coming up with the maps, the numbers, measuring --
Dr. Fetzer: That is the U.S. Department of Energy?
L. Moret: The U.S. Department of Energy is running the whole thing.
Dr. Fetzer: And it appears to me a cover-up, right? A massive suffocation of real information about what is going on.
L. Moret: Oh it is the biggest cover-up about the most serious nuclear issue that has ever happened in the history of the world. And it will certainly contribute to a major extinction. A genocide of, oh, many, many people in the northern hemisphere. But the radiation two weeks after explosions was already reported plutonium in Australian fish, and I think it was plutonium in Columbia in South America, so it -- radiation is different. It respects no borders, it respects no socioeconomic class, and it respects no religion. It is an equal opportunity killer. And it is killing the babies first. The babies are the first ones almost immediately to die, even within a day of exposure.
Dr. Fetzer: Within a day of exposure. They are like canaries in the coal mine.
L. Moret: That's right.
Dr. Fetzer: That's very scary, Leuren. I was going to ask what was the period of incubation from downwind exposure, but what you are telling me is that it is so serious that for tiny infants it can be almost instant.
L. Moret: It is. And for embryos in the first month after conception, usually a woman doesn't even know she is pregnant. 80% of the embryos exposed to radiation in pregnant mice die. And they are reabsorbed by the uterus, or they are rejected by the uterus and animal studies are done on animals because they can't do them on humans, but we do them on animals, because they have the same hormones and systems that we have.
Dr. Fetzer: Well let me ask you this, Leuren. If they are reabsorbed by the uterus, are they then recycled? I mean that radioactivity has such a huge half-life that it certainly is not going to simply go away.
L. Moret: Yes, yes.
Dr. Fetzer: Are we talking about the permanent contamination of the uterus?
L. Moret: Oh, the whole body. The ova, the sperm, everything. Well, the sperm is replenished. In other words, it is constantly reproduced. But the ova, in women, they form in the unborn baby girl. And so what you have in utero, and when you are born, is all you have for the rest of your life. And it those are damaged by radiation that causes mutations, in any ovum that is contaminated, when the sperm unites with that ovum, when that baby girl is an adult, in the new organism every single cell that forms from that original cell formed by the sperm in the ovum has that mutation in it and it is passed on to all future generations.
Dr. Fetzer: You are remarking on a phenomenon on which I think most Americans are oblivious, that when a female is born, she is born with her complete stock of ova. That she has all the ova she will ever possess in her entire life.
L. Moret: That is correct.
Dr. Fetzer: Then ovulation and menstruation and so forth is simply the cyclical processing and discharge of one ova at a time. Or occasionally I suppose two or more.
L. Moret: Yes, shedding them, that is correct.
Dr. Fetzer: Not all forms of radiation will affect the ova? Am I right about that, or would even microwave radiation make an effect?
L. Moret: Ah, well, radio waves cause infertility.
Dr. Fetzer: Radio waves can cause infertility
L. Moret: Yes, and they also cause mutations and spontaneous abortions.
Dr. Fetzer: You are suggesting that all forms of radiation are hazardous to ova and it is much better to avoid them.
L. Moret: Non-ionizing radiation is also a risk. It is not as great a risk as ionizing radiation because ionizing radiation produces thousands and millions of times more free radicals. But very low levels of energy, whether it is from non ionizing radiation or ionizing radiation or chemicals cause extremely profound changes. It is called the supra-linear effect. Because of the energy density from very, very low levels, if low, the free radicals that form are very far apart and they can't run into each other and neutralize each other. So at very low levels of exposure to chemicals, ionizing radiation, and even radio waves cause very profound and subtle changes and they are much more damaging per unit of radiation than they are at higher levels.
Dr. Fetzer: Let me ask this, because micro wave ovens are so prevalent across the United States and even most of the world today. Have any studies been done about the effects of microwave radiation on genetic abnormalities.
L. Moret: Oh, extensive, and you would find the best reports in U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy documents.
Dr. Fetzer: Do they support that it is capable of damaging ova.
L. Moret: They support everything. Everything that I am saying.
Dr. Fetzer: Meaning even microwave oven radiation can do this kind of damage.
L. Moret: Absolutely. That is why they put the shielding on it. Right?
Dr. Fetzer: Very scary. Leuren.
L. Moret: It is horrific. What they have done --
Dr. Fetzer: You mean these studies about a baby being put in a microwave --today they are mostly too small -- but I mean even if it is for a brief period of time it could have severe damaging effects.
L. Moret: Well every police station and the sheriff's departments as well have installed new, extremely powerful microwave transmitters and antennas and they are deliberately targeting populations in the cities where these antennas are located.
Dr. Fetzer: To deliberately cause some genetic damage?
L. Moret: All kinds of damage.
Dr. Fetzer: Are these racially targeted operations?
L. Moret: Oh no, they are culling the society.
Dr. Fetzer: You mean it is targeted to individuals?
L. Moret: Yes, it is.
Dr. Fetzer: Oh Leuren, that is creepy and scary.
L. Moret: Well, that is what they are doing. It is part of the depopulation agenda. This has been ongoing for over a hundred years.
Dr. Fetzer: I have heard reports that Japan might become uninhabitable as a consequence of the Fukushima catastrophe. Is that a real possibility?
L. Moret: It is already uninhabitable.
Dr. Fetzer: Really.
L. Moret: Yes, for people who are -- now this is the craziest thing of all. This is the news for today. The Prime Minister of Japan, [Naoto] Kan, has made statements in the past that people should eat the contaminated food from the contaminated regions. I am going to read his quote.
Dr. Fetzer: He says you should eat it.
L. Moret: Yes, this is what he said.
Dr. Fetzer: We are good for you, remember there was a book not that many years ago Toxic Sludge is Good for You. It sounds like this is a variation.
L. Moret: It is the greatest, most hilarious spin, but it is such a tragedy because a lot of people will die because of it. But speaking at a news conference to mark one month since the massive earthquake and tsunami devastated the northeastern coast of the country, Japanese Prime Minister Kan said produce from the region around the Fukushima plant, [in] which the ground is three times higher contamination than Chernobyl, is safe to eat despite radiation leaks. This is translated verbatim from his speech. "From now on people should not fall into an extreme self-restrained mood. They should live life as normal.... To consume products from the areas that have been affected is also a way in which to support the area. We should enjoy the use of such products and support the areas that have been affected. I ask you to do this." That is what the Prime Minister's message is, and now the news today in the Yomiuri Shinbun, the July 17th issue, reported "Prime Minister Kan attended a meeting on July 16th at a hotel in Koriyama City, Fukushima Prefecture, to exchange opinions with the heads of the twelve municipalities or cities surrounding the Fukushima nuclear power plant. Regarding the road map to winding down the plant accident, the Prime Minister expressed his hope that the step two will be achieved ahead of schedule. The step two is to bring the reactors to a cold shutdown by the middle of January of next year. According to the participants in the meeting, minister in charge of the nuke accident, Hosono reported, that the `step 1,' whose deadline was July 17th, had been almost all successfully completed. The Prime Minister said that "We want to achieve the `step 2' ahead of schedule so that many of you can go back to your homes. That is within 20 kilometers of the nuclear power plant. Some expressed a huge disappointment at the Prime Minister's explanation. The Diet is the Japanese Parliament that his "beyond-nuke" stance was only his personal opinion. In response, the Prime Minister said his administrations view on the issue would be decided soon." So what he was saying was that he wanted to abolish all nukes but then he said "Oh, that is just my public opinion, and my personal opinion and the cabinet will decide." Well they are going to decide to build more and keep operating the ones they have. Now, the most important part of this article --
Dr. Fetzer: Are these people incapable of learning from experience Leuren or is this just massive corruption to benefit the corporations and the nuclear power industry? .
L. Moret: Well, they have been chess-moved just like Christy Todd Whitman and all the other officials who were part of 9/11. They were moved into key positions long before this happened, and it is all set up. Even the centers for disease control were part of this foreshadowing, and on March 9th, two days before the earthquake hit Japan, the centers for disease control started posting hundreds of documents on radiation emergencies. And information for care-givers, and about radiation. And they continued to post them for the next thirty days. So this is all planned ahead of time. I have said from the beginning that the Fukushima disaster, the earthquake was triggered by HAARP. We now have extensive evidence that confirms it. Even the scientific community is saying that, especially the geoscientists and the geophysicists, and the biggest lie of all though, this is the biggest lie that TEPCO has promoted from the beginning. I knew that within six or eight hours after the earthquake, because all the cooling systems had shut down, and they could not get them started because the Stuxnet virus sabotaged every effort to start up the emergency cooling systems at the Fukushima plant. So those reactors were without cooling water for more than probably 48 hours, and within six to eight hours -- and we know this from a simulated melt-down at the Browns Ferry nuclear power plant that was simulated in 1984. We know that the reactors were in complete melt-down and starting to melt through the bottom of the reactors within six to eight hours of the earthquake.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, doesn't the involvement of the Stuxnet suggest Israeli complicity in all of this?
L. Moret: Well, the Stuxnet virus was actually developed at the Idaho nuclear engineering [National] Lab in 2007 when a U.S. team, and I am talking about nuclear weapons level-sophisticated scientists and computer software experts. They went to the Idaho nuclear engineering lab, and together with a Siemens team that came from Germany, they developed the Stuxnet virus in a six month period. And the Siemens team had to participate because they were writing a worm or a virus or a program for the Siemens controllers that are used in the nuclear power plant controlling system at Fukushima and also at the Natanz and Bushehr nuclear facilities in Iran. So it was introduced in July of 2010, and I think it was in August of 2010 the attack occurred in Iran --
Dr. Fetzer: Hold that thought Leuren, we have got to take our first break. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal with my special guest today, Leuren Moret. We are talking about the catastrophe in Japan. We'll be right back. [26:31 start of music. End of music at: 31:00]
Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal, continuing my conversation with geoscientist Leuren Moret about events in Japan related to the Fukushima disaster. You were mentioning the Stuxnet missile in relation to Iran. Leuren, please continue.
L. Moret: Yes, the Stuxnet, virus, as I have mentioned, before the break, was developed by a U.S team aided by a Siemens team from Germany. The reason Siemens had to be involved was because of all of the firewalls and the privacy and everything of their computer language, and it would have taken much longer for the U.S. team to unravel it or to get around the protective software. Or they might not have even been able to do it. So it had to be co-developed, and what we know is that the U.S. gave the Stuxnet virus to Israel and Israel delivered it to the Natanz facility where the centrifuges, about 800 of them, were just destroyed by the virus. And that virus appeared in Japan in October. It was discovered that something like 62 computers were infected with it. However, what is very strange is that in September of 2010, even though the governor of Fukushima Province had prohibited MOX fuel in any reactors in that prefecture, the MOX fuel, which is a mixture of plutonium oxide and uranium oxide fuel was covertly put into reactor number three at the Fukushima plant. And in November or December an Israeli security team from Dimona, which is the nuclear weapons facility in Israel, put a new security system in that particular Fukushima I Daiichi 1 plant, and they left shortly before the earthquake and tsunami caused all the problems, and they must have been the ones who introduced the Stuxnet virus while they were installing a new security system.
Dr. Fetzer: So who was responsible for this again, Leuren?
L. Moret: Well, the Israelis delivered it, but --.
Dr. Fetzer: So there was an Israeli aspect to this.
L. Moret: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: And the MOX fuel was a bad thing to introduce here too.
L. Moret: Well it was already prohibited by the governor of the Prefecture in 2002. So obviously they were sneaking it in, and the Stuxnet virus was already in Japan in October, and the Israelis were there in November or December or about that time. And so the whole thing was a big set up. I mean all the forensic evidence is there. It is irrefutable. The earthquake was a magnitude 9.0. They never had a magnitude 9.0 earthquake reported in 1,200 years in Japan.
Dr. Fetzer: 1,200 years! That is a pretty good sample, Leuren.
L. Moret: And there were simply none reported in the period in the period since they have been monitoring earthquakes in Japan. And that is at least 125 years. The tsunami, which was widely reported by the Japanese government to be 31 feet, was no 31 feet because the Japanese government sent sophisticated teams of government scientists to go and determine in the last months the peak height of the tsunami and from certain bays the shape of the bay and the topography of the sea bottom and everything is what determines how high a tsunami will be. So it can come into a whole coastline of bays and it could be 31 feet in the Fukushima Bay, but it was measured as high as 131 feet in three other bays along that coastline. That is unprecedented. That is what happened in the Sumatra earthquake also, and what really, really was the most convincing thing of all -- there were two things, one is that the United States Geological Survey issued a graph of large magnitude earthquakes and their frequency, or how many times they were reported by year throughout the world, going back about 50 years, and the very, very, very large magnitude earthquakes were extremely rare until between 1995 and 2000. All of a sudden they started going up exponentially. It is unprecedented, and between 1995 and 2000 is when the HAARP antennae became operational.
Dr. Fetzer: Really.
L. Moret: The other piece of evidence that I was researching with another friend, and he discovered, we co-discovered, that the Tromso, Norway HAARP facility was conducting a heating experiment of the ionosphere for a week before the Fukushima earthquake. Now the Gakona, Alaska HAARP facility for a week before the earthquake was transmitting the 2.5 hz signal which is the particular wavelength that is used to trigger earthquakes. And the Tromso, Norway site was doing heating experiments, and what NASA scientists visiting MIT reported in May 18th, right after the NASA reports, the Technology Review at MIT published by MIT, reported with a chart of the heating spots and the intensity of the heating spots. The heating patterns for about a month showed that these round heating spots, that is another finger print of HAARP. The antennae produces round beams, and these heating spots were heating at different areas along the entire plate tectonic zone that goes the whole length of the east side of Japan. So they were obviously heating certain parts of the earthquake zone that were locked and had a lot of energy stored up because the fault zone was stuck. And that increases stress and strain until it finally -- there is excess energy there and finally it pops. So they are actually using the heating beam, transmitted through the ionosphere from these HAARP facilities all over the world. But apparently Tromso, Norway and Gakona, Alaska were involved. And it boils the water in the fault zone and it causes it to form steam or to expand and it pushes the fault zone apart enough to get it to release.
Dr. Fetzer: When water changes from liquid to steam, it increases in volume by 1,600 times.
L. Moret: That's right, and there is a lot of water --
Dr. Fetzer: There is a lot of water in the ocean!
L. Moret: There is a lot of water in fault zones. Now, get this, get this. Tromso, Norway was established as a HAARP facility in 1974. It was funded by the Wallenberg bankers in Scandinavia, and there are six countries, seven countries that own it. Number one is the UK, Britain. Number two is Norway, Finland, Sweden, Japan, China, and Germany is also involved. And a very, very, very important report was published in June of 2010 by two Japanese scientists in a natural disaster emergency journal, which is a brand new journal, and what they reported is that they analyzed earthquakes in the United States and Japan, and what they did is they divided them into two groups, and one group had detected ULF or ultra low frequency transmissions, wireless transmissions, for a week before the earthquake, and even after the earthquake. The other group of earthquakes did not have the ULF signal, because the ULF signal is not natural to natural earthquakes. It has never been reported for natural earthquakes. And geoscientists suddenly around the world are saying "What are these ULF signals, we have never seen these before. Do you have a comment?"
Dr. Fetzer: I was just going to say that what you are telling us is that there is a wide range of indications that all of this is artificial and man-made and no natural phenomena.
L. Moret: Well, let me go a little further, because it is not just maybe. It is definitely. So these two scientists are not geoscientists or astrophysicists or geophysicists. These two scientists are experts at the Wireless Transmission Institute in Tokyo. [Editor's Note: Advanced Wireless Communication Research Center (AWCC)?]. And they did further research with a particular earthquake that had the ULF transmission before and after the earthquake occurred north of Tokyo. And so what they did is they separated the transmission and intensity that changes over time for that portion that was from the north, the east, the west, and the south. So when they looked at the four directions, in three of the directions there was no change over time. But in the fourth direction, there was almost no transmission until a week or two before the earthquake occurred, and then the signal built up and peaked on the day the earthquake happened and it did continue for another week. But two years later they looked at all four directions, and three of them had not changed over a two year period, but the one that had the change in the ULF signal, had gone back -- the ULF signal basically had disappeared two years later. So what they did is they took this information and they triangulated back and identified the two transmitters that transmitted the ULF signal into that earthquake zone, and targeted and triggered that earthquake. Now what is really interesting is the transmitter is right in line with Niigata which is another suspected triggered earthquake at a nuclear power plant which is exactly on the opposite side of Japan from Fukushima. So Niigata was in 2007 and that was a foreshadowing demonstration for the Fukushima actual HAARP attack. And then they also showed a map of the ULF transmitters which are in a network around Tokyo.
Dr. Fetzer: They are in a network around Tokyo?
L. Moret: Yes, and I suspect they are using them for mind-control also.
Dr. Fetzer: So you are saying the earthquakes were actually initiated by transmitters located in Tokyo.
L. Moret: Near Tokyo, yes. And then they looked at the Kobe earthquake which I always said I was very suspicious of that, because it was used as an excuse to get an international consortium of countries and scientists to fund an underwater network of seismic stations around Taiwan and Japan. One of the seismologists said, "Oh, we know that it is for the military to spy with, but we don't really care. We get new toys to study earthquakes with, even though that is the main purpose, military spying." That is why the Sumatra earthquake was triggered because there are no underground, underwater seismic stations anywhere in the Indian ocean and that is the main root for energy being transported from the Middle East to Asia.
Dr. Fetzer: Really.
L. Moret: Yes, really. So it does look like countries have these transmitters and they are triggering their own earthquakes, and it just absolutely confirms that the targeted civilian population is the new war by their own governments. And not only that, the last diagram they showed was a map of Japan, the Philippines, Southeast Asia and Australia and they identified various earthquakes. Some were natural, some were ULF-triggered, in the islands between the Philippines and Australia. And they actually identified the two transmitters. One of them had been used for the Kobe earthquake. In other words, the Japanese triggered the Kobe earthquake, and the other transmitter that had caused these earthquakes in the southeast Asia island arcs, one was in southern Japan and the other one was on the northwest coast of Australia. So it is also intergovernmental. It is two governments working together.
Dr. Fetzer: Those two governments, in this case being the Japanese and the Australians?
L. Moret: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: And you don't think that there is an American presence there, that these could be Pentagon covert ops that are operating out of Japan and Australia?
L. Moret: Oh, well anyone could be doing it. Who knows who is doing it. You have to get the list of personnel working there, and then you know. What is really interesting is the Tromso Norway, the week that they were doing the heating experiments in the ionosphere, remember that the U.S. and the Soviet Union covertly developed HAARP together during the Cold War. And Star Wars national missile defense, ballistic missile defense, all these slush fund experiments funded by the Congress were actually the cover story for the development of HAARP. And it was actually developed at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab where I worked, and I even have interviewed a physicist who worked on the HAARP antennae, and he said, "Well, I never knew what the applications were." He said, "We were just hot shot PhD's from MIT and Caltech and we just wanted to do big science, and we did not have any idea what it was for. But he said "I kind of wondered why it was so well funded when I found no benefit to the American public out of the project!" Ha, ha, ha! These scientists -- a lot of them have no idea. They just have no idea. They don't care. They just get bigger toys to play with.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, this is very disturbing.
L. Moret: Now let me tell you a little more about the Tromso, Norway HAARP facility. There were two guest Russian scientists who were participating in that ionospheric heating experiment and it had to have been over Japan. The night that Obama was arriving in Norway at a military base there to receive his Nobel Prize at the Karolinska Institute, there was a huge spiral, it is called the Tromso Spiral, reported over that HAARP facility. It was reported over in the news and the alternative news. Everybody was doing interviews about it. Well, the next day Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize for War. Remember --
Dr. Fetzer: This is one of the great absurdities in the history of the Nobel Award, I must say.
L. Moret: Right. So anyway that giant spiral was apparently to anoint the new "Peace is War" Nobel Prize winner.
Dr. Fetzer: I had heard that there had been a spectacular aural display over Norway at that period of time, but not --
L. Moret: That's it.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: That's it. And so when I investigated projects that the Wallenbergs had funded, I discovered that they have new projects that they are funding, and they are actually determining the big science projects throughout Europe for the next 20 years. So it is the bankers who are funding the big science projects and applications. And these are for their benefit. They are not for the benefit of the public.
Dr. Fetzer: I am just so stunned by the whole idea of a depopulation program, and especially on such an enormous scale as what I am gathering from multiple sources. Ands reducing the earth's current about six billion to maybe vastly less than two billion. I mean, two billion would be something, but to reduce it even more, I have heard a figure as low as 500 million, which is just staggering.
L. Moret: Well I would like to know where they are going to bury five billion people over the next two generations.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: That is a lot of fertilizer if you want to do that with them.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, who is going to till the soil and tend to the crops and wash the clothes and change the diapers and do the lube jobs and all the other menial tasks that the rich count on others to perform for them, and what is going to happen to the massive economic engine when the demand dwindles to practically nothing. Because not only is there a very minimal population remaining, but most of them have no money to spend for the products that used to be so much in demand and made the big engines turn because the supply had to be provided for that demand. It seems to be insane, Leuren.
L. Moret: Well, we are people who live in the logical world, and what we are dealing with are insane people. These people are psychopaths. The psychopaths who set up this depopulation agenda, it started with Malthus in the 1700's, who was a philosopher and I think he was an academic and a minister. And he is the one who started the --
Dr. Fetzer: He was a demographer more than an economist, basically.
L. Moret: Yes, OK. Oh, economist, well that is the clue right there. He was working for the bankers. And he is the one who came up with this over population hypothesis or threat, and there was certainly not one at that time.
Dr. Fetzer: Well Malthus observed that many more are born live into a population than survive to reproduce. Darwin would be the one who introduced the concept of natural selection as a winnowing process that determines who is born and survives long enough to reproduce, whereas Gregor Mendell would contribute the concept of genes as being the units of heredity that make a difference, but where behavior is the level of selection, because it is really how an individual organism acts, with a species that are hardwired, where most of their behavior is instinctual, there is not a lot of latitude for variation given an environment among the different members. But for a complex species like human beings, what human beings undertake on their own initiative or acting on their own beliefs and motives and so forth to fulfill their preferences can make a great difference in whether they live or die and survive or not to reproduce.
L. Moret: Let's go back to Darwin, because that is the correct link from Malthus to the big, big, big depopulation eugenics program that came out of the 1800's. And it was Darwin who came up with the theory of the survival of the fittest. In universities we call that experience the university experience.
Dr. Fetzer: The university experience. [Laughter]. I love that, Leuren. Listen, we have to take a second break. Let's do it now, and then we will return to talk about Darwin and Huxley, I believe, actually introduced the phrase "survival of the fittest." We'll talk about all that in relation to the other issues we are discussing here. Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal with my very special guest today, Leuren Moret, we'll be right back. [55:40 start of music, ends at 1:01:28]
Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer continuing my conversation with geoscientist Leuren Moret, talking about the catastrophe in Japan, but we got into the area of social Darwinism, as it is known. Roughly speaking, everyone should be coping for themselves and something like the libertarian nightmare as some might see it. Personally I believe in the social safety network that FDR devised which seems to me to be good for human beings and other living things. But Leuren, you are absolutely right that it has been perverted politically, and this idea of the depopulation appears to be a very scary manifestation.
L. Moret: Yes, and there are very deep roots.
Dr. Fetzer: A little hard to hear your voice.
L. Moret: Sorry. Can you hear me now?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, better.
L. Moret: Yes, the roots from Darwin, actually it was a cousin or relative of his Aldous Huxley who was the strongest proponent of depopulation throughout his life. And it is really the Anglo-Dutch monarchies that are leading this modern effort now for global-depopulation. And Prince Philip started the world wildlife fund and it was set up to establish game parks all over Africa and to save endangered animals, but it is actually a cover story for depopulation. And he turned it over to Prince Bernhard, the consort of Queen Juliana of the Netherlands, and what many people don't know is that Prince Philip and Prince Bernhard were German Princes who actually were Nazis, and four of Prince Philips sisters married top titled Nazi operatives at the highest level. In fact the wedding to Princess Elizabeth almost didn't happen because of his strong Nazi German background. And so these are the roots of the modern eugenics movement in this depopulation movement. They also started UNSCR, UNEP, the United Nations Environmental Program, the IAEA, WHO, ICRP, --- 7 (?Editor: Unintelligible), and the other related organizations like the UN were all started by them or came out as progeny of other organizations they started. And Aldous Huxley was always in charge or president of one of the top eugenics or depopulation societies until he died.
Dr. Fetzer: That really floors me Leuren because I had the impression that this guy was a humanist and a pacifist. He was actually the editor of the magazine Oxford poetry. He was of course the author of Brave New World. My take on Aldous Huxley could not be more different.
L. Moret: Yes, I know, they were all involved with Cecil Rhodes as well. Now there is a very, very profoundly stunning, and very informative investigation of this whole movement: The Coming Fall of the House of Windsor [by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.] and all of this is described and investigated in detail. It is very, very well researched and documented, and I recommend it. I will send it to you and you can read it and post it. It is another horrific discovery or expose on the level of Dope Inc [Lyndon H LaRouche; Konstandinos Kalimtgis; David Goldman; Jeffrey Stienberg].
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren let's get back to Japan. You have sent me some news clips. Here is one I would like to get your take on. [Radiation in Japan: As It Is Being Spread Almot Willfully, The Country Is Getting Unhinged, ex-skf.blogspot.com, July 13, 2011] "4,320 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive cesium has been found in beef from the Minamisoma City, Fukushima: the cattle farm that shipped cows found with radioactive cesium far exceeding the already loose provisional safety limit of 500 becquerels/kg is located in the `emergency evacuation-ready zone' - not even `the planned evacuation zone' or plain `evacuation zone', both of which do exist in Minami Soma City." What is going on here? Is this part of the "eat the contaminated food" that includes the beef?
L. Moret: This is probably one of the most disturbing things that I encountered. Every day is more stunning -- I don't know how long I can take these bullets, but this is a story that broke just before July 12th. And it was in Yokohama City there was a blog or a discussion list that a city council member had with his constituents. And constituents were worried and upset that maybe some of the contaminated food in northern Japan was being shipped into their city. Well this discussion went back and forth, and finally a merchant who was a beef seller, he was contracting for and selling beef, distributing it from all over Japan, in Yokohama. And he contacted a city council member and said, "I am going to give you the ID tag for some of the beef that I have been selling to the school district and it is coming straight from Fukushima Prefecture. He said, "I don't think this is right to sell this contaminated beef to children, and the beef dealers all over Japan were very happy to do this because they got it very cheap and made huge profits on it. So they did not care who they were passing the radiation on to, they were just putting a lot of money in their pockets."
Dr. Fetzer: Were these going to McDonalds and Burger Kings in Japan?
L. Moret: No, these were going to school children
Dr. Fetzer: School children. This is so disgusting, Leuren.
L. Moret: Pre-school and middle school, high school, and --
Dr. Fetzer: It is like [? Editor: unintelligible] -- just because you cook a burger well done does not get rid of the radioactive contamination.
L. Moret: Well what the city council, the city government said is "Well, we are going to test the food in the schools, but we are only testing the food that comes from our prefecture here in Yokohama. They do not need to test the Fukushima Prefecture food because they have already tested it there and they said it is safe.
Dr. Fetzer: How absurd can you get? Somebody says it is safe. If only that would make food safe, to have somebody say it is safe.
L. Moret: So what happened is that parents started sending the lunches and the clean water with the children to school and the schools took it away, confiscated it, and forced the children to eat the contaminated meat.
Dr. Fetzer: You are kidding me.
L. Moret: No I am not kidding..
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, this is completely disgusting.
L. Moret: It is beyond disgusting, but it is exactly what is doing. And then they made the children swim in the contaminated swimming pools that were full of radiation from the explosions at Fukushima.
Dr. Fetzer: I can't tell you how contrary this is to everything I have always believed about the Japanese people as being very serious, loyal, dedicated, concerned, especially about their children and families. High degree of familial loyalty. Belief in a hierarchy, yes. This is just stunning.
L. Moret: Well, it is coming from the top. So then what the schools did was in order not to waste the swimming pool water, they used it to water the school gardens.
Dr. Fetzer: Further spreading the contamination.
L. Moret: Yes, it is all spreading it everywhere.
Dr. Fetzer: Is this out of ignorance, Leuren? Would they know better?
L. Moret: No, no, no. Japan has the highest food standards in the world, and about ten years ago I read in the Japan Times that 35 kilograms of Porcini mushrooms had been shipped to Japan and the customs confiscated them because they said the cesium levels were too high, they were too radioactive, and they returned them to the original sender in Italy. Japan checks everything and I was even in a city government building in one of the cities that I visited in Japan, and they actually had a room where citizens could bring food into the city hall and they could actually measure the radiation levels in any food that they brought in there. This is ten years ago, so they are very, very aware of radiation. Customs in Japan checks all incoming imports, and they are returned if they are too radioactive. So this is not an accident. This is absolutely deliberate.
Dr. Fetzer: Is there any level of cesium contamination that is safe to consume?
L. Moret: There is no level of any radiation that is safe. It is not safe. It is not safe.
Dr. Fetzer: I assume these mushrooms were dried mushrooms, and therefore they could transport it back and forth.
L. Moret: Yes, but --
Dr. Fetzer: The cesium levels, whatever they were, were miniscule compared to what we are getting here.
L. Moret: Oh my God, Busby, Dr. Chris Busby the low-level radiation expert for the British Government and the European Parliament has been finding horrendous levels. Did I tell you about the air filters?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, I want you to tell us about Chris Busby, who is reporting that Fukushima is worse than Chernobyl on global contamination, a point you have made many times, but it is worth repeating.
L. Moret: What he said last night at a public hearing in Tokyo -- Dr. Busby is in Japan right now, holding press conferences in public forums and he is going to the Fukushima area a hundred kilometers from the more radioactive-contaminated areas. He wants to speak to the citizens there, and he has been getting air filters sent to him from citizens and groups in Tokyo. In Chiba, which is north [east] of Tokyo, and the Fukushima area which is even more to the north of Tokyo on the eastern coast of Japan. And last night he reported that an air filter he examined that had been used for four months driving between Tokyo and Chiba which is maybe a hundred miles each way [40 km], he had measured the radiation levels, and also found out particles in it, and he showed images of alpha tracks from just one hot particle, and he said that if you know the volume of the engine, the model of the engine, and the miles driven, that you can measure the radiation in the air filter if you know how long it has been used. And you can calculate the air concentration in the atmosphere. The air that has gone through that filter, so that you can actually determine how contaminated the atmosphere was during that period. And what he said was --
Dr. Fetzer: Sort of like a geological excavation.
L. Moret: Right. So I was really shocked. It is like what they use around nuclear facilities, except there is high volume with very, very, very fine filters that can collect much smaller particles than an air filter. He was just getting the big chunks in that air filter. And he said that when he measured the radiation and calculated the volume of air that had passed through it, he determined that the level of radiation, the concentration in the atmosphere in Japan in the last four months was three [hundred] times higher than during the peak of nuclear bomb testing in 1963.
Dr. Fetzer: In the United States, yes. You made that point, it is certainly worth repeating, earlier in this show. I just opened his interview with Japan's largest newspapers and of course it is in Japanese. [Laughter].
L. Moret: I am going to get it translated though, so I will send it to you as soon as it is ready. I have already sent it to someone to translate for us.
Dr. Fetzer: I take it he is one of the leading experts on scene, one of the leading experts in the world today who is on the scene.
L. Moret: So I wanted to go back to finish the school lunch story.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: On July 9th in Japan a cow, a meat cow from Menami Soma City which is one of the hot spots, had 2,300 becquerels per kilogram of meat which is five times the provisional safety limit of 500 becquerels per kilogram. And what they were feeding the children in the schools was almost double that.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes. It was double the 4,320?
L. Moret: It was double the 2,300.
Dr. Fetzer: I cannot understand how any nation cannot go out of its way to protect it children, Leuren.
Moret: Well, they did the same thing to the U.S., so this is nothing new. It is just nothing new. It is a global depopulation agenda and everything they are doing confirms that.
Dr. Fetzer: What do you take to be the objective of the global depopulation agenda.
L. Moret: It is what Prince Philip and what Prince Bernhard, Aldous Huxley and all of them have been saying that the world needs to be depopulated. But what they are doing is they are not just depopulating everyone. They are also culling. And Prince Philip used that particular word. They are culling the global population. And what they are culling are troublesome people like me and you and Dr. Busby and others who are speaking out against this. Now what is interesting is that they are also targeting groups of people who have for centuries been humanists. I read that President Chirac of France began culling Huguenots or people who their ancestors were Huguenots in France. And what is interesting is my family are Huguenots, a woman in Texas I know, her family were Huguenots from Montpellier, and Kevin D. Annett who has organized a global tribunal. They have already charged the Pope and Queen Elizabeth with genocidal programs carried out in the Commonwealth to depopulate areas that have precious minerals and forest timber and things like that. Also the Pope is charged with collaboration and cooperation, with protecting cover-ups of pedophile rings within the Catholic Church. So I will be testifying at those tribunals. What they are really targeting are people who are humanists. It is really the same battle that has been going on forever between people who want to self-determine and have a democratic form of government and those who are monarchists who believe they have the Divine Right to rule over most of the people and there are very few of them. So they are the ones, like I said, the Wallenbergs funded the Tromso, Norway HAARP facility. England has HAARP facilities on Cyprus. Tromso is one of theirs. They have them in Australia. They have them all over the world.
Dr. Fetzer: Here is another nice story you let [me see]; "Matsudo City in Chiba Prefecture found 47,400 becquerels/kg of radioactive cesium in the ashes from the city’s garbage incinerator, but the city simply mixed with other ashes with low radiation to bring the final number to 5,660 becquerels/kg. Since the final mixed ashes measured LOWER than the provisional limit for burying the ashes (8,000 becquerels/kg), the city already buried the ashes and will continue to do so."
L. Moret: Well, the reason they are in there doing that is because the national government has refused to do anything to help them, to provide an alternative safe site, that is lined with plastic or they are just scattering them all over the land or burying them, and it leaks into the water table. So it just seems it is very deliberate. Now if the national government doesn't respond to garbage facilities all over Japan when they want to know what to do with these ashes that exceed the government limit, they really have no choice but to dilute them with other ashes that have much lower levels. The school lunches in Yokohama, that beef was very contaminated, and because they have the ID tag number for the beef that had been sold to the school and consumed by the children, they were able to trace the origin of that beef to Fukushima Prefecture, and they sent teams to examine the hay that the cattle had been eating and it was 70,000 becquerels per kilogram of hay.
Dr. Fetzer: Jeez. Here is a couple more. "Fukushima Prefecture has announced it will shut down the official shelters within Fukushima, which will force the evacuees to go back to their own homes," [and] "Minami-Soma City has issued a notice to all 32,000 city residents who have been living in the shelters, temporary housing outside Fukushima Prefecture that they must return to Minami-Soma, high radiation or not."
L. Moret: Well it is because professor Shunichi Yamashita who is a professor of radiation at Nagasaki University, he also worked for the WHO and the UN so he is a New World Order scientist. What we call a CIA scientist. He was appointed as one of two radiation advisors to Fukushima province. And then he went around, this is what his statements were when he did a tour of Fukushima initially to introduce himself. He said to the people in Fukushima "The effects of radiation do not come to people that are happy and laughing. They come to people that are weak-spirited, that brood and fret."
Dr. Fetzer: He is telling us that whether or not you are affected by radioactive contamination has to do with your disposition and whether you are jovial or not?.
L. Moret: Yes, it is a mental problem.
Dr. Fetzer: This is idiotic. This is so unscientific and propagandistic I can hardly believe it, Leuren.
L. Moret: He also went around the Prefecture and he told mothers -- even mothers exposed to a hundred millisieverts -- pregnant mothers, that they would not have any effect. No health effect from that level of radiation. Remember the number 100 Jim, compared to that, the Soviet Union required a mandatory evacuation during Chernobyl at 5 millisieverts. This is 20 times higher, and he is telling pregnant mothers it is safe.
Dr. Fetzer: Stunning. Absolutely stunning.
L. Moret: And what happened is the citizens were absolutely furious. They just became irate and they demanded that the prefectural government remove him from that appointed position. So what happened? He got promoted to vice president of a university there in Fukushima province, Prefecture, that has now received -- the Japanese government has funded a 30 year study -- radiation study of citizens in that Prefecture -- with 1.26 billion dollars.
Dr. Fetzer: This is simply absurd. What are they going to do? They are going to watch them die?
Moret: They are going to study them. Just like they studied Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They are still studying them. .
Dr. Fetzer: They are going to watch them die, Leuren.
L. Moret: Just like they studied Americans.
Dr. Fetzer: These people are not going to live for 30 years.
L. Moret: No they are not. And in Busby's presentation last night, he showed the different risk models. The ICRP risk model, the ECRR risk model, and other risk models and he calculated from the radiation levels that were reported by the government in Fukushima Prefecture, that within 50 years, more than 400,000 people will get cancer in that Prefecture, and the ICRP -- the International Committee on Radiation Protection under the IAEA -- predicted about 2,500.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, we are going to take our final break. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal with my very special guest today, Leuren Moret, talking about the catastrophe in Japan. We will be right back. [1:25:54 start of music, end of music 1:32: 37]
Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer your host concluding my conversation with Leuren Moret about the catastrophe in Fukushima Province that is spreading all over Japan that may even render the entire set of islands of Japan uninhabitable, eventually. Leuren, is that a prediction you would support?
L. Moret: Well, apparently they are going -- they are not going to leave. They are going to keep spreading it all over Japan, the radiation in many different ways. This is the government doing this. And it is the depopulation of Japan.
Dr. Fetzer: It is going to guarantee the death of people all over the island. I mean if they might have escaped it otherwise by spreading it like this, they are going to guarantee that everyone will get taken out.
L. Moret: That is right, but that is what happened in the U.S. during bomb testing. Everyone in the United States, 300 million people who were living in the U.S. during bomb-testing, every single person in the U.S. was contaminated internally with bomb-testing material. And that is what is happening in Japan. I have the Japanese government vital statistics. It is in one volume and these are the health statistics collected in detail by the Japanese government all the way back to 1898 before man-made radiation was introduced into the environment. So that provides a very detailed, a very, very, very good baseline of disease rates before and after the miracle of the nuclear age. And what it shows is a huge increase in chronic illnesses since 1945.
Dr. Fetzer: Really.
L. Moret: It absolutely correlates with the introduction of new nuclear technologies. First it was Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then it was nuclear bomb testing. They shut that off and then they turned on the nuclear power plants, and that radioactive pollution replaced the bomb-testing pollution. Then it was depleted uranium. And it is all cumulative.
Dr. Fetzer: Of course Chernobyl was in there somewhere.
L. Moret: And Chernobyl was in there, absolutely.
Dr. Fetzer: You are telling me that nuclear power plants are emitters of radiation as well?
L. Moret: Oh, you know those big stacks?
Dr. Fetzer: I know them.
L. Moret: Everything that comes out of a nuclear bomb comes out of those stacks. 1,300 fission products, and that is in a paper produced by Oak Ridge nuclear weapons [National] Lab in Tennessee.
Dr. Fetzer: This makes reliance on nuclear energy simply insane.
L. Moret: Completely insane. And not only that, what the Japanese government is doing, is they are not reporting the internal radiation exposure. It is many times higher than the external. And what they are reporting are the beta emitters. The beta emitters are cesium and iodine, and they never mention plutonium or uranium. Those are the alpha emitters. And they are many, many times more damaging internally than the beta emitters. So they are really reporting the mouse in the living room and they are not reporting the elephant in the living room.
Dr. Fetzer: This is staggering. Even Einstein said that the use of nuclear energy was a very extraordinary way to boil a cup of water.
L. Moret: That's right. That's right. I wrote a landmark paper for the Japan Times in 2004. It is called Japan's Deadly Game of Nuclear Roulette. And I predicted that a Fukushima-type disaster in Japan, because the nuclear power plants are built to withstand a magnitude 7.0 or 7.5 earthquake. Every five years in Japan there is a magnitude 8.0 earthquake. Japan is sitting on the junction of four tectonic plates, and they are all trying to get in the same place under Japan. So it is a hugely active tectonic zone. The land mass of Japan of the total global land mass, Japan is less than 1%, it is a fraction of one percent..
Dr. Fetzer: You mean the habitable area of Japan is less than 1% of the geographic --
L. Moret: The whole land mass is about 3/10 of 1% of the whole global land mass, yet they have 10% of the earthquakes in the world.
Dr. Fetzer: It sounds to me as though there could be an earthquake so catastrophic that it could simply destroy most of the habitable residences and buildings in Japan.
L. Moret: It has many times.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: It has many times. So they have built all these nuclear power plants all over Japan. They are all on the ocean, you know just a few feet above sea level, yet they have had tsunamis that are 30 and 50 feet, and then they put the diesel backup power system for the operating system in the basement of the reactor, and it is probably at sea level. So these are booby traps. They have 600,000 spent fuel rods full of all the fission products that come out of a nuclear bomb, and they are stored in seven pools that are located on top of the reactors.
Dr. Fetzer: This sounds like the American plan to stash all our nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain.
L. Moret: Yes, it is the same thing.
Dr. Fetzer: It is volcanic and porous, and is over an enormous aquifer providing water to southern California. It is a stunning plan to guarantee the annihilation of most of California's population.
L. Mo ret: I actually worked as a geochemist at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab on the Yucca Mountain and the WIPP [Waste Isolation Pilot Plant] project in New Mexico, which was the pilot program for the Yucca Mountain project. And they have 36 earthquakes a month right at Yucca Mountain because it is a big fault block. It is faulted on four sides. They have hot springs under the proposed facility. The rainwater dripped down through the porous tuff, it is a volcanic rock that is like sea foam, kind of. Like pumice. And they had to guarantee that that would be dry and safe for 250,000 years.
Dr. Fetzer: [Laughter] Yeah, right.
L. Moret: That was the requirement of the National Academy of Sciences. So I was in Nevada at a meeting of an independent scientific panel called the Nuclear Review Board and this is twelve independent scientists who reported and made recommendations to the President and Congress. Impartial. So I was sitting there and this scientist from Livermore was making a presentation and he had photos of an underground instrument room in the Yucca Mountain facility. One of the women engineers stopped him and said "Could you tell me what all those tarpaulins are over the instruments?" He said, "Oh, it is to keep the water off of the instruments. It is dripping from the ceiling. It's rainwater." And she said, "Like how much." He said, "Oh, it is about 500 gallons an hour that is coming into this room." And she said, "Oh, and a letter went to the President of the United States after this presentation, after this meeting, and they recommended canning the Yucca Mountain project." And I think it went to Clinton and he actually almost completely shut it down. And it has never recovered.
Dr. Fetzer: It was insane to begin with.
L. Moret: It was insane to begin with, and the --
Dr. Fetzer: From a scientific point of view, it is completely indefensible to store radioactive waste --"
L. Moret: It was all science fraud. And then when I was at Livermore, the canisters that they spent $2.5 billion developing these canisters and the repositories. The canisters that hold nuclear waste had been placed underground in New Mexico, it is near the Carlsbad Caverns called the WIPP project. And in the Yucca Mountain facility these were test storage canisters. And they had low level radioactive waste like contaminated uniforms and stuff in them, and they brought the canisters back with to Livermore when I was there. This was five years after they put them underground. The bacteria had eaten all the metal canister and left the nuclear waste. It would be like eating the beer can and leaving the beer.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, which is going to remain in tact for you to consume.
L. Moret: Well about that time a law suit that had been filed in Federal court in the District of Columbia had been going to the courts for twelve years. Finally a judge ruled and he said to the Department of Energy regarding the Yucca Mountain project, he said "The National Academy of Sciences recommended that the waste has to be safe for 250,000 years and you have to guarantee that because of the long-lived isotopes. And in your presentation to this court, you have only guaranteed it for 10,000 years," and he said "Not only that, but your science is totally fraudulent. You have to throw everything you have done in the last 50 years in the garbage can and start all over."
Dr. Fetzer: Well this was an unusually erudite judge who would know these things. I mean this judge was smart enough to make that kind of ruling is astonishing.
L. Moret: Well, he was very informed. He was impartial. And he was correct in his assessment.
Dr. Fetzer: There are not a lot of judges like that around Leuren, I hate to say.
L. Moret: I know.
Dr. Fetzer: It is seemingly fortuitous that someone of his caliber would be handling this case.
L. Moret: It was fantastic. So, basically that really was the dagger in the Yucca Mountain Project, but the terrible problem, just like in Japan, and just like every country around the world, is that there is no permanent nuclear waste facility. The Swedes have put it underground in granitic rock, but we can't do that. We can not put it in any granitic rock, any crystalline rock, anywhere in the United States, because most of the nuclear power plants are on the East Coast, and a Senator did not want all the nuclear waste stored on the East Coast, and most especially in his state, I think it was Vermont, and so he passed a law in Congress that no nuclear waste generated in the U.S. or shipped here can be stored in crystalline rock. And so they had to go to New Mexico to an underground salt deposit from an ancient Permian sea. I have pieces of that salt right here in my room. The New Mexico legislature agreed to allow that to happen if the Federal government would build an entire infrastructure of new highways and roads in New Mexico. So the government Department of Energy started the project and did the tunneling and the studies and when the roads were completed, the New Mexico legislature passed a law that no nuclear waste could ever be transported to New Mexico by roads. And no one would license flying nuclear waste into New Mexico. And then they had to start all over again. They said lets put it at the Nevada test site. It is already moon cratered from 1,300 nuclear bombs.
Dr. Fetzer: You are saying the New Mexico legislature outfoxed the Federal government.
L. Moret: Yes. And the problem, the reason it ended up in Nevada is because it is called the "Screw Nevada Bill." The Nevada delegation elected officials in Congress did not have enough political pull to defeat it in Congress, so they screwed Nevada and put that site in Nevada.
Dr. Fetzer: Well that was heading for Yucca Mountain, right. Where is it currently targeted?
L. Moret: No, that was to establish Nevada. They do not have any alternative. There is no alternative. That is why we have --
Dr. Fetzer: You know this radioactive waste is so dangerous, even to transport it is hazardous.
L. Moret: Oh my God, they have been transporting it in railroad cars, and if you drive by or stand next to a railroad car, some of these cars, for five minutes you are dead. And they have lost them! They have lost trainloads of nuclear waste and they didn't find it for a month! One train load was parked in Sacramento downtown.
Dr. Fetzer: Oh my God! Were there deaths because of it?
L. Moret: I don't know. I don't know. And another train load was lost in Texas for two months. So the whole point is the shoddiness, the fraud. The deception, the lies. The gangsterism. The precedent already of a eugenics program that is two hundred years old. There is no way to deny that we are not the target. The civilians are the target of all of this nuclear material and nuclear pollution. And John Gofman, Dr. John Gofman who was at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, in fact he was an associate head of the whole facility. He was a deputy director, and he wrote a book Depopulation Through Nuclear Pollution. He was hired from UC Berkeley Physics Department and funded to do research on the biological effects of ionizing radiation. And when he and Arthur Tamplin started reporting it in international meetings, they took all their funds away, they burned the house down next to John Gofman's house. He is a medical doctor and a physicist. He had two PhDs, and he discovered three isotopes of uranium for his PhD research.
Dr.Fetzer: He discovered three new isotopes?
L. Moret: Of uranium.
Dr. Fetzer: No kidding, that's amazing. You could get a Nobel Prize for that.
L. Moret: He should have. And, well, he got the finger. He got the house next to his burned down as a warning. He told me that. And so he spent the rest of his life shunned and isolated, but --
Dr. Fetzer: This is by the nuclear power industry?
L. Moret: By the nuclear establishment.
Dr. Fetzer: The establishment which includes the military industrial complex.
L. Moret: Yes, and --
Dr. Fetzer: In collusion with the nuclear power companies.
L. Moret: And the medical profession and the Department of Energy --
Dr. Fetzer: Why would the medical profession be on the wrong side of this issue, Leuren?
L. Moret: Oh, well, the military and the Atomic Energy Commission set up the EPA to hide the effects of radiation from the public. They set up the National Institutes of Health (NIH), to hide the medical effects of radiation from the public, and they set up the Centers for Disease Control.Why are colonels going in and out of the CDC every day now? It is because of the medical profession in the U.S. is completely controlled by the military.
Dr.Fetzer: The medical profession is completely controlled by the military.
L. Moret: In the U.S., completely.
Dr. Fetzer: That is quite a sweeping statement. I mean it is --
L. Moret: It is completely controlled by the military, Jim.
Dr. Fetzer: [Laughter] That is a very scary thought, Leuren.
L. Moret: Do you want me to say it again? I am going to tell you something. A year before the 2003 Iraq War, the Pentagon knew they were bombing the whole country into uranium oblivion --
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: And medical doctors in poor communities where economic drafting would occur, all over the United States were visited by Pentagon officials, and the medical doctors were warned that if they diagnosed anything else except post-traumatic stress syndrome, in other words, it is all in your head, or if they spoke to any reporter or revealed anything about the health problems of returning veterans, or returning soldiers from the 2003 Iraq War that the doctors would be fined $10,000 to $150,000 and be put in jail for one to ten years.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: Now do you think that the military controls the medical profession?
Dr. Fetzer: Well this is such blatant fascism that I cannot believe it.
L. Moret: Well we live in a fascist country.
Dr. Fetzer: Well I think we do, and it is tragic to see so many signs that all point in the same direction.
L. Moret: Well Aaron Russo made a landmark documentary film From Freedom to Fascism and they murdered him. He was assassinated. He was assassinated with CIA cancer. They killed him. They killed Jacqueline Onassis. She died in three months from CIA cancer.
Dr. Fetzer: Why did they target Jackie?
L. Moret: Because John, Jr. was going to run for President. They did not want another Kennedy, a new generation of Kennedys. And as soon as Ted Kennedy died, his son, just not very much later, resigned from Congress, or said that he would not run again. So all the Kennedys are out of Congress now. That dynasty is finished.
Dr. Fetzer: Well, the John John case is a little complicated. I had the impression he possibly was going to run a series of articles that had to do with his father's death and that was was more -- it never seemed to me that he had any political aspirations. Not that he couldn't have been elected to high office. But --
L. Moret: Al Gore asked John Kennedy to come and visit him. Al Gore had decided to run for President. And he wanted John Kennedy Jr. to be his Vice President. So John Kennedy, Jr. went and met with him and he said, "No, I don't want to be your vice president. I have decided to run for the Presidency myself."
Dr. Fetzer: It is such an odd situation Leuren because he really didn't have any qualifications to run for president, not that many candidates who are running are qualified to run for President.
L. Moret: Do you think Obama had any qualifications? Kennedy was much more qualified than Obama. You know who gave Obama his first $500 million to run for President?
Dr. Fetzer: That is a lot of money, Leuren.
L. Moret: Queen Elizabeth, the crown, funded Obama's presidential run.
Dr. Fetzer: Wow, that would blow me away.
L. Moret: And --
Dr. Fetzer: Listen, let's just focus for the last few minutes we have about Japan. "Most people in Japan," you have written, "Cannot fathom how their elected officials and government workers with high education from distinguished schools (Tokyo University, Kyoto University, Oxford University…) could do such things to them. Better wake up really, very quickly. People say that the Japanese are law-abiding citizens. The Japanese say that to themselves. The truth, as has been slowly revealed over the past four months, is that they are followers of the arbitrary and capricious orders, as long as the orders are given to them from the government sources. Never mind if those orders are very much counter to the law itself or the natural law or the common sense." It is a very disturbing situation you describe, Leuren.
L. Moret: Well, the Japanese have been conditioned to obey authority figures, government figures, academic figures. And the problem, the biggest problem in every country are the academic flunkies who -- the goyo gakusha who spread the word, who justify the technology, who sell the science and the technologies to the public. Those are the real problem. But the universities were funded and started by the bankers.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, I have got to tell you, it is really stunning when I have you on. I can't say it is uplifting, but it sure is disturbing, and I can't thank you enough for all the good work you are doing.
L. Moret: Jim, Jim, just think of it as how "liberating" it is. It is liberating. It is devastating to people's belief systems. But their belief systems are based on fraud. It is not reality. I am a scientist. All I am doing is reporting what I observe and what I know through my own critical thinking is correct.
Dr. Fetzer: You are doing a great job of it and I can't thank you enough. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal, thanking my very special guest today Leuren Moret for being here, and all of you for listening [1:56:46].



Additional References

[Editor's Note: The following are some additional references that I have come up with that may help the reader in researching various topics discussed by Leuren Moret and Dr. Fetzer]

2011-03-30 Direct Energy Weapons, targetedindividualscanada.wordpress.com
2007-01-18 The Secret Use Of Microwaves By British Police And Army by Tim Rifat, Introduction by Ivan Fraser, Rense.com "

The author of these articles, Tim Rifat, is Europe's foremost independent author and scientist specializing in psychotronics, the use of biophysical and electronic technology to influence and kill the human organism; his forthcoming book: Remote Viewing, gives hints of the breakthroughs he has made in the physics of psy-warfare.

The history of mind control at a distance, remote mind control technology (RMCT) begins in America with the research of Dr Ross Adey and his colleagues in the late '60's, working on the CIA-funded Pandora Project. Adey found that ELF (extremely low frequency) signals on the region of 1-20 Hz (with 0.1 increments having different effects), had bioactive and psychoactive effects. The research was important to the CIA for they wished to find frequencies which could mind control humans from a distance (RMCT). Pandora researchers discovered that the 6-16 Hz region had drastic effects on brain and on nervous and endocrinal systems. This could enable major dysfunction in the target victim if research on cats and monkeys could be duplicated - the research on human victims still remains classified.

A major problem was that ELF transmissions need vast antennae arrays; Adey's research showed that pseudo-ELF, caused by pulse or amplitude modulated microwave, UHF or RF carrier waves at ELF frequencies not only duplicated the psycho- and bioactive effects of ELF, but due to the highly penetrative effects of S-band microwaves (low frequency microwaves) or UHF and RF these combined to have a synergistic effect (especially microwaves) in disrupting biochemical function to amplify the effects of pseudo-ELF. In layman's terms, microwave and pseudo-ELF were more effective at mind control than pure ELF. RMCT, the means of mind controlling and slowly killing victims using pseudo-ELF - that is amplitude or pulse modulation of microwaves, UHF or RF - at ELF frequencies was born.

This was developed into a whole array of weapons systems based on the dramatic effects of pseudo-ELFs on mind controlling, elctro-chemically zombifying or inducing cancer in victims. ELF or pseudo-ELF was also found to be able to cut or damage DNA, which partially explains the carcinogenic effects of pulse or amplitude modulated microwave, UHF or RF.

In Britain, microwave is defined as between 300 MHz to 300 GHz, or in USA terms above 1 GHz.

Ross Adey's research was done on 450 MHz carriers used to broadcast pseudo-ELFs via pulse or amplitude modulation, his colleagues carried out the same research at 147 MHz (these frequencies have been defined as UHF and VHF respectively in US terms).

This research allows the weaponisation of any microwave, UHF or RF transmitter, if pseudo-ELF could be induced upon it by pulse or amplitude modulation at ELF frequency. The new science of RMCT spawned a new range of EM weapons to mind control and murder by use of pseudo-ELF.

For a specific example, the new TETRA system which will be used by the police and emergency services in the UK for communication, uses between 380 and 400 MHz, which is switched on and off at such a pulse rate that a pseudo-ELF of 17.6 Hz (17.6 times per second) is produced. this means the brain and nervous system are hit by pulses of UHF (USA terms) microwave (UK terms) every 1/17.6th of a second. This is rather like electrochemical hammer blows to the head at a rate of 17.6 every second. Some of us find hammer drills irritating to listen to, imagine 17.6 hammer-like blows being delivered to the nervous and endocrinal system, at a cellular level - might this not have a disruptive effect on the organism? Since the cells communicate to each other in the ELF range, these hammer-like blows of pseudo-ELF disrupts and derange cellular activities, leading to dysfunction, behavioural changes and onset of carcinogenic proteins which can lead to the organism developing tumours.

Mass UK Mind Control Technology Now A Reality

The UK Government is now spending £2.5 million to fully implement a nation-wide deployment of CIA mind-control technology. The TETRA system pulses at 17.6 Hz broadcast at 400 MHz which is essentially the Pandora Project funded by the CIA in the late '60s and early '70s. Dr Ross Adey, the chief researcher on the Pandora Project has released a video to leading UK researchers which proves that not only does the TETRA system cause ELF zombification by massive release of calcium ions in the cerebral cortex and the nervous system, but the activated calcium ions also cause massive hormonal disturbances which lead to frenzied imbalances, emotional and physical states...



As a scientist researching into microwave weapons used on the general public, evidence that the GM900 microwave network as used by Vodaphone and British Telecom, is a major health hazard, has come to my attention. Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) documents entitled: Biological Effects Of Electromagnetic Radiation (Radiowaves and Microwaves) Eurasian Communist Countries, show that microwave frequencies similar to those of the cellular phones can cause health problems in the following areas:

* Blood.
* Cardiovascular System.
* Cells.
* Central Nervous System.
* Digestive System.
* Glands.
* Metabolism.
* Reproduction.
* Visual System.
* Internal Sound Perception.

Equipment to test the frequency and intensity of microwave phones shows that they produce signals similar to microwave ovens. Two Vodaphone cellular phones were producing 100mW/cm2 and 50 mW/cm2 respectively. The danger level for microwave ovens is 5mW/cm2 and the Russians regularly used 10 mW/cm2 for weapon research. These Vodaphones will therefore cause significant health problems if used. A variety of cell phones can be tested to see how dangerous they are.

The GM1800 system used by Orange uses higher frequency microwaves. Australian scientists found this caused cancer in mice exposed to radiation of this type. The documents in my possession show that microwaves pass deeply into the body and can have a negative effect on the brain and body.

The DIA research dates from 1976 and shows the dangers were known about over twenty years ago. The Soviets used the frequencies and intensities used by mobile phones, 1800 MHz and 900 MHz, as weapons. It is a rule of the intelligence community that you hide things in plain view, getting the public to accept microwave mind control weapons which effect their behaviour under the guise of mobile phones was a stroke of genius. Getting the public to pay for these microwave mind control devices, so their brains and behaviour can be damaged, to make them more docile and easy to control, was pure diabolical genius.


Microwave weapons that turn people into stressed, confused, submissive zombies are being used in Britain's inner cities. Developed by the communists, microwave weapons similar to microwave ovens have since the 1980s, been targeted on inner city council estates. These weapons transmit extremely low frequency (ELF) signals which mimic natural brain waves; at the flick of a switch, all the people around these microwave transmitters are turned into submissive zombies who cannot think clearly, become depressed, apathetic and want to lounge around all day doing nothing: the inner city malaise found on Britain's streets. With the advent of new ELF detectors designed by the author's research teams, the mass mind control of the metropolitan UK population can be proved. ELF signals are officially only found at nuclear submarine communication stations, so the researchers were shocked to find microwave and UHF, mind control signals in city centres, the author's flat, being sent through mobile phones, the BT telephones and from the numerous transmitters that dot the country.

The massive increase in mobile phones has enabled the UK security forces to use this network of transmitters to beam mind control signals into the brains of anyone living near these transmitters. Microwave phones use pulse modulated microwaves of the correct intensity to pass through the skull into the brain and control behaviour. Microwave transmitters are therefore the perfect medium for the transmission of ELF signals to mind control the UK population...



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