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The Real Deal

Dr. James Fetzer
erview with

Dr. Chris Busby
and Leuren Moret

Fukushima Radiation and
Uranium Weapon Update

Friday, 28 October 2011


Editor's Note: This transcription provided by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books is reasonably but not totally accurate for false flag research purposes. The first hour transcript was prepared by William Fox, and the second hour transcript was a joint effort by Jeannon Kralj (base draft), William Fox (second draft) and Dr. Busby (his review). Photographs and captions for the second half provided by Leuren Moret.

Dr. Fetzer introduction at Veterans Today under the title for hour one: Catastrophic Effects of Radiation Contamination and hour two: New Bombs and War Crimes in Fallujah:

On Friday, 28 October 2011, it was my honor to host Leuren Moret and Christopher Busby as my guests on “The Real Deal”, an internet radio program broadcast on M/W/F from 5-7 PM/CT over revereradio.net.
Leuren Moret is an independent geoscientist who has done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster, radiation problems around the world including depleted uranium.
Dr. Christopher Busby is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University of Ulster and is the co-author of reports about the effects of depleteed uranium in Iraq especially in relation to Fallujah.
What Busby found much to his surprise was not DU but enriched uranium instead, which supports the inference that new bombs are being used to commit war crimes in Iraq. As though that revelation was not disturbing enough, the first hour was devoted to an explanation of the catastrophic effects of radiation contamination enveloping the world and threatening the survival of our species.
These discussions are not for those who are weak of heart. As the following transcript–enhanced with diagrams and charts that demonstrate how truly horrific are the consequences of global contamination by radiation–explains, those who have been in charge of the fates of our nations appear to have been massively ignorant of their genetic effects and of the consequences of the future successful reproduction of Homo sapiens.
I say with a heavy heart that the situation is more than dire and that we may well have passed the point of no return. For those of us with children and grandchildren, what life they have ahead of them may dwarf any of the catastrophes of the past.
I want to take this opportunity to thank Major William Fox, USA (ret.) [Editor's Note: Actually former USMCR, not retired], a former intelligence officer who publishes americafirstbooks.com, who spent a great deal of time and effort making sure that this interview would come to pass. I also want to add a personal note of appreciation to Bill, since he also published my first political article, “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda”.

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"Fukushima / New Bombs and War Crimes in Fallujah" Dr. James Fetzer interviews Leuren Moret (1st and 2nd hour) and Dr. Christopher Busby (2nd hr), (The Real Deal, MP3 download link Here, 41.8 MB, 1:58:58), dated 28 October 2011

The Real Deal Radio Show (October 28, 2011)

Host: Jim Fetzer: James Fetzer Ph.D.
Dr. Busby: Christopher Busby, Ph.D.
Leuren Moret: Leuren Moret, B.S., M.A., PhD (ABD)

Hour One (transcribed by William Fox)
Images and captions courtesy of Leuren Moret




Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal, with my very special guest for the first hour, Leuren Moret who is an independent geoscientist who has done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster, radiation problems around the world including depleted uranium. And we will be joined in the second hour by professor Christopher Busby who is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University of Ulster and who has done two reports about depleted uranium and problems, genetic and otherwise in Iraq. Leuren, it is a great pleasure to have you back on this show again.
Leuren Moret: Thank you very, very much, Jim. I appreciate all of the very hard work that you have done, and the tremendous effort you have made to bring truth to the public. It is really is a great service to humanity.
Dr. Fetzer: Well those are very kind words, Leuren. I have been especially glad to have the privilege to feature you in discussing this catastrophe in Fukushima which seems to me to have dimensions that really have not begun to be appreciated by the American public in part because of suppression in the major media, which of course should at this point in time come as no surprise to any of us.
L. Moret: Right.


FIG. 1: RADIATION RELEASES FROM FUKUSHIMA MARCH 26: The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) program at Cologne Univ.


Germany, reported releases daily through July 31, 2011, when nearly all reporting was shut down globally. This shut down coincided with the transport of the molten nuclear reactor fuel reaching the groundwater below the reactor buildings, causing continual releases into the ocean and the atmosphere that will not end in our lifetime. This map indicates that heavy contamination (depending on rainfall) occurred in the Aleutian Islands, Arctic Ocean, west coast of N. America (including Mexico), and split into two plumes - that traveled into the mid-Pacific to Hawaii and Guam – or turned east across the U.S. and Canada crossing the Atlantic and moving into the Mediterranean and Middle East. This will result in contamination of the northern hemisphere and more slowly the global biosphere. Source: Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) program, Cologne Univ., Germany.


Dr. Fetzer: Please do bring us up to date on the latest results, Leuren, how serious this has become, and the kinds of hazards to health here in the United States and around the world represented by this disaster.
L. Moret: Well there is a very, very interesting report now based on data from the Centers for Disease Control, and at the Centers for Disease Control, which is in Atlanta, Georgia, and it is a U.S. Government agency. Every county in the United States, and in particular they analyze data as a sample for the U.S. on 129 cities. So every county, and cities also, report data and the states, to the Centers for Disease Control every week. And that is change in demographics. In other words the number of new births, the numbers of infant mortality, or deaths of babies born per 1,000 or 100,000, the causes of death, the number of deaths, and other data like that, also diseases. So based on the data that has been tallied or reported by the Centers for Disease Control, as of September 3, 2011, and beginning March 13, 2011, in that period, we have had excess unexplained deaths, an increased death rate in the United States, which varies by state and by region, but Centers for Disease Control has reported 34,129 excess deaths in the United States including 129 cities, and that is basically unexplained compared to one year ago with corrections made for migration of population or different changes. So there is no reasonable explanation for such a large and very alarming increase in death rates, which in some regions, for instance the mountain region, from Montana to the border of Mexico, it includes Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico. They had a 9.1% increase in death rates as of September 3rd since the Fukushima disaster. And the radiation levels in the environment, and the increase in death rates and diseases from the radiation exposure are based on weather and on geography. So in areas that are mountainous, they will have very high rainfall and rainout of radiation into the environment and so in this mountain region the death rate has increased 9.1 percent, or it is actually a total of 7,723 deaths in 8 states. That is almost a 1,000 deaths per state.



FIG. 2: SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN EXCESS DEATHS SINCE 3/13/11: Data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported March 13- Sept. 3, 2011, shows increasing excess deaths for nearly all regions of the US. This very high increase in acute deaths throughout the US, that increases every week, can only be explained by regional environmental contamination from the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan. Increases in infant mortality range from 35-45% or higher, and is not included in the map data.
Source: Bobby1, “Post-Fukushima Excess Deaths in US Updated for Sept. 3


FIG. 3: STRONTIUM-90 IN RAINFALL IN NEW YORK CITY: Measured month by month during heavy bomb testing in the US, 1954-1959. The strong seasonal effect causes higher radiation levels during early spring rain and change of seasons. The largest number of new cases of diabetes and autism are diagnosed in the first few weeks of the rainy season, due to higher exposure levels to the population. This is a global phenomenon.
Source: J.M. Fowler Ed., Fallout: A Study of Superbombs, Strontium 90, and Survival, Basic Books, (1960), Fig. 5.


Dr. Fetzer: That is really rather startling, Leuren, and would it be that the geographical proximity of these regions in relation to the way in which the pollution is being distributed by the various forces that are affecting it, including of course the wind, atmosphere, and so forth at different levels of the stratosphere are causing or creating a pattern that looks highly consistent with what one would expect from radiation contamination from Fukushima?


FIG. 4: FISSION PRODUCT CIRCULATION AND DEPOSITION: Left – Global pole to pole circulation of nuclear bomb test fission products injected high into the atmosphere. Only 15% of the radiation released was deposited in the environment (right), the rest is still circulating slowly in the upper atmosphere. The deposition of Strontium-90 and 1300 associated fission products (right) from pole to pole, indicates much higher deposition in the latitudes of the northern hemisphere where the bomb tests occurred, indicating the main circulation was from west to east by the high altitude Jet Stream (polar jets 7–12 km (23,000–39,000 ft) above sea level and subtropical jets at 10–16 km (33,000–52,000 ft). Because of heating at the equator causing expansion of the troposphere upward, carrying fission products to higher altitudes and diluting radiation concentration by expansion, rather than being rained out at the equator, the lowest deposition of fission products occurred in the equatorial regions. Nuclear tests in the southern hemisphere, by France and the UK, caused an increase in deposition of Strontium-90 and associated fission products in the southern hemisphere, but it was far less than north of the equator.
Source: J.M. Fowler Ed., Fallout: A Study of Superbombs, Strontium 90, and Survival, Basic Books, (1960), Fig.4.


Leuren Moret: Yes, and if this was a nuclear bomb test, the rainout of the radiation would be much lower, because a nuclear bomb test injects the radiation very high into the atmosphere. That big mushroom cloud and explosion shoots that radioactive material from the bomb very high up into the atmosphere where circulation is very slow. And so in the mesosphere and the ionosphere, which are above the troposphere, the troposphere is from the ground up to maybe 50 miles or something like that, that is the top of the troposphere. But the troposphere is the most dynamic part of the atmosphere. It is where all the storms and hurricanes and rain and snow, will snow out any [radioactive] pollution.



Source: Leuren Moret, May 5, 2010, data from Los Angeles Department of Water and Power.


Leuren Moret: And that is why in a city where they have a pollution problem like Mexico City or Los Angeles, or maybe Bakersfield in Southern California, after a rain it rains out all of that pollution out of the air very efficiently, and snow removes 95% [most efficient scavenger of radiation from the atmosphere] of the highly charged radioactive particles from the air. So the best place to be when there is a lot of radiation released into the troposphere – in other words it floats up from nuclear power plants that release it every day, or it floats up into the troposphere and it is picked up by air currents from a battlefield, or this disaster in Japan from Fukushima, is the same thing as releasing 300 times more radiation [measured at peak levels in Japan] than Chernobyl, or 1,000 times [measured at UK govt. radiation lab at Harwell in 1963 at the peak of atmospheric testing] more than from atmospheric testing.


FIG. 6: COMPARISON OF CHERNOBYL AND FUKUSHIMA RADIATION PLUME: The global fission product contamination plume aerial distribution from Chernobyl (left) compared to the Fukushima radiation plume and contamination levels (right) in North America. Nuclear explosions and accidents that occur on the ground and are picked up by air currents in the troposphere, result in much higher rainout of the nuclear materials into the environment, a much more efficient form of nuclear war, and conveniently everyone thinks it’s an accident. Compared to bomb testing, which resulted in environmental deposition of only 15% of the radiation created by bomb tests in a period of 65 years, with Chernobyl, depleted uranium, and Fukushima, 95% of the radiation and aerosols will be rained out of the troposphere in 2 ½ months. Even more alarming is that the comparison of peak Japanese radiation releases from Fukushima, were at least 300 times higher than from Chernobyl, as estimated by Dr. Chris Busby, a British radiation expert. The fact that the US military is synchronizing the peak bombing campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan with the summer monsoon rainy season since 2003, indicates that depleted uranium is being used as a military depopulation agent in the Middle East, Africa, SE Asia, Central Asia, Asia, and beyond.
Source (left): Vostok Project, http://vostokproject.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/ultimos-modernos-volumenes-bajo-la-luz-a-las-sombras-de-chernobyl/
Source (right): Institut de Radioprotection et de sureté nucléaire (ICRN), “Simulations of the atmospheric dispersion of the radioactive plume formed by the ejecta from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant since [March] 12”, March 19, 2011.


Leuren Moret: Now during bomb testing only 15% of all that radioactive material has actually been deposited on the earth in the environment. Most of it, 85% of it, is still up there, moving around slowly in the ionosphere and the mesosphere. So this [Fukushima, Japan, March 11, 2011] is a very acute exposure compared to nuclear bomb testing, the nuclear bomb test era. But it is much more similar to the very acute exposure that people receive who live within a hundred miles of nuclear power plants.


FIG. 7: NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS AND BREAST CANCER: High-risk counties (left) within 100 miles of nuclear reactors (at nuclear power plants, nuclear weapons labs, and small research reactors) where 2/3 of breast cancer deaths occurred 1985-1989. Nuclear power plant (right) locations in the U.S.
Source (left): J. Gould, The Enemy Within: The High Cost of Living Near Nuclear Reactors, Four Walls Eight Windows, NY/London (1996), p.187.
Source (right): “The Madness of Nuclear Energy”, The Ecologist, Vol. 29 No. 7, November 1999, back cover.


Dr. Fetzer: Let me ask you this, Leuren. Are the [excess] deaths that are being recorded here [in the US], , do they fall into a pattern that would suggest who is most vulnerable to the effects of this kind of pollution or contamination?
Leuren Moret: Yes, yes. In this kind of an exposure, an acute exposure like this, which is… we are inhaling it – that is the worst exposure of all, is inhaling nanoparticles [0.1 microns and smaller] of radioactive material, because 70% of those very tiny particles go right through the blood-lung barrier into the blood, and cholesterol and lipids in the blood pick up those radioactive particles and hide them.
They mask them from the body’s defenses and they are carried by the lipids and cholesterol right through the cell walls into the most intimate parts of the cell, and that [the cell] has to function properly in order for life to go on normally. And when that radiation gets into the cells, and is filtered out in the tissues of the body – the muscles and everything, it just completely destroys a person’s health.
It may be slowly, it may be very rapidly, but people today, many of these people who died in that total death count of 34,129 people [March 13-September 3, 2011] are people whose health was already marginalized and compromised by previous disease, or what they had inherited as their health future and their health history from their own parents, and grandparents, and families. So, the weaker people, are the ones who die first.
They die almost immediately. And… winter is coming now, so there is always a big die-off of elderly, or people in the winter time, who just do not have a strong enough immune system to fight off flu, or colds or pneumonia, so they die… especially in the winter period.
But this radiation can cause them to die in low death rate periods, like the summer or a warm spring, or a warm fall. So we are seeing, what basically are the effects of nuclear war on a civilian population, without anyone in America hardly even knowing it.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, this is heart-wrenching… very profoundly disturbing. Are we seeing a similar pattern along the Pacific Coast and are the effects much more attenuated as you move across the continent.
Leuren Moret: Well… the Centers for Disease Control divides the United States into regions. And so the Pacific Region is where I am living, and that includes Washington, Oregon, California, Alaska, and Hawaii.
And the Centers for Disease Control have determined that there has been a 3.5% increase in deaths in those five states as of September 3, 2011, compared to one year ago for the same time period, March 13th through September 3, 2010. And that amounts to 6,716 deaths. So it is a lower percentage increase than the Mountain Region, but it is almost the same number of deaths.
Dr. Fetzer: Could the mountain region have a higher percentage by virtue of its greater elevation?
Leuren Moret: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: Altitudinally?
Leuren Moret: Yes. The death rate is higher in the Mountain Region because the rain and snow are causing more radiation to be rained out, and deposited, in drinking water and food supplies, and just in the general environment. So the death rate is higher, and that death rate that is higher, reflects a higher radiation exposure.
The actual number of deaths may be very close [to the Pacific Region], but the death rates are really different between Mountain [9.1%] and Pacific [3.5%]. And that is because the Pacific region has a much higher population.
The 3.5% of a much higher population [Washington, Oregon, California, Alaska, and Hawaii] is 6,716 deaths, but 9.1 % of the Mountain Region [Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico], which is eight states, is 7,723 deaths because they have a much lower population in that region although it is a larger physical area.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course the rate is higher because of the geographical circumstances, the degree of exposure, how much of this…
Leuren Moret: That’s right.
Dr. Fetzer: This contamination is reaching that sparser population with a greater causal efficacy in bringing about these serious health problems and death.
Leuren Moret: That’s right. Now the West North Central region is North Dakota, Minnesota on the Canadian border, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, and Missouri. That has a low death rate, 2.7 percent, which is because it is more to the east of the mountainous region and so there is lower rainfall [and snowfall] and not such high mountains, as the Colorado Rockies, which extend from the whole width from the Mexican border into Canada.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, yes.
Leuren Moret: The East North Central region, which is only five states, is Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan, and that death rate is 3.7 percent, which is 6,513 deaths.
The New England states are Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Vermont, and that region has a 3% death rate, which is surprising because it is so far east, but they have higher rainfall. And that represents 1,725 deaths because New England is only about the size of Washington State. It is much smaller even than California… half the size of California.
Dr. Fetzer: And when you say 3%, you really mean a 3% increase in the death rate.
Leuren Moret: Yes, a 3% increase in the death rate [March 13 –Sept. 3, 2011], but the total actual number of deaths is 1,725, because they have a smaller geographical area and lower population.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course drawing the inference that this increase in the death rate is proximally caused by contamination from the Fukushima disaster, we are making the assumption that other factors that might possibly affect the death rate have remained approximately constant across time.
Leuren Moret: That’s right. Surprisingly, West South Central, which is Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas, has a relatively high death rate. It is 4.9%. And it is surprising because Texas is very dry, so is Oklahoma. And so you would have low rainout, especially since they had a drought the whole summer [of 2011] in Texas. A very severe drought, and yet 8,730 deaths occurred.
That is the highest number of absolute deaths in any region in the U.S., but for that population in that region, it is only a 4.9% increase in death rates. But that is really very alarming in such a short period of time [March13-Sept 3, 2011]. That is very significant.
Dr. Fetzer: And I suppose we don’t have data for Canada, or for Mexico, or other regions that are going to be affected here. Is this by and large incidentally, Leuren, going to be a northern hemisphere phenomenon, that by virtue of the physics of air currents and so forth, that the exposure to contamination of the southern hemisphere of the globe, is going to be considerably reduced?



FIG. 8: NORTH ATLANTIC FISHING CATCH: The Norwegian fishing catch from 1955 to 1968, shows that a very large 50% decline in 8 years (1955-1963), and over-recovery (1963-1968) occurred in ten years between 1956 and 1966. This occurred during the period of heaviest atmospheric testing in Nevada, when the radioactive debris drifted north-east across the United States and the North Atlantic where it was heavily rained out, giving the highest concentrations of Strontium-90 in the milk for Iceland and Norway among 11 European Countries.
Source: Sternglass, E.J., “Fallout and Reproduction of Ocean Fish Populations”, unpublished Oct. 8, 1971.


Leuren Moret: Well it is a good thing we have an ocean between us and Japan, because there has been a high rainout of the Fukushima radiation, escaping from the northeast coast of Japan, before it reaches Alaska, and the Pacific Northwest.
So the death rates, from the radiation rainout, would be even higher if we did not have that ocean between us that has helped to dilute the amount reaching the West Coast of North America. However, it is still there. And it is all the way up to the top of the troposphere, into the mesosphere, and it travels in very different directions, depending on the altitude.
The air currents all move in different directions. So it is really spreading it all over the Arctic. It is across the Northwest Territories [Canada], and across Canada. They have a very, very high increase in death rates in the Toronto area. And I know that… I watched the [Fukushima radioactive] plumes traveling across North America, on the Cologne University Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty [CTBT] Monitoring Program [website].
They had animated plume maps that were for about four days [each], showing the radiation coming in significant concentrations… coming across the Pacific and then going across North America. Then it split.
Some of it went across the Arctic and the Northwest Territories and Canada, and then came down the central Atlantic, contaminating Greenland and Iceland. But when it reached Scandinavia, it changed direction, and it went directly east across Scandinavia and the Baltic States into Russia.
The other plume, that split off over Alaska, came down the West Coast of North America and traveled across parts of the United States. A lot of it went across the Southern states. And then it also split off [from the southern coast of] California, and part of it was carried by ocean currents [south into Mexico].
The air [circulation] moved with the ocean currents out into the Pacific, and caused very high contamination of Hawaii, and Guam, and islands in the central Pacific. So it is really, really, really affecting eastern Asia, especially Japan, and North America, and then the Pacific region… islands in the Pacific. The radiation exposure is much lower in Europe, because it has to travel across another ocean, the Atlantic ocean, and there is more rainout there because there are a lot of storms and hurricanes and rain over the ocean.
But of course it is going right into our food supply. So the Pacific fishing catch is not edible. People should not be eating fish out of the north Pacific at all. And that is really a tragedy because most of the salmon for the world, much of it comes from the Alaska salmon fisheries, which is absolutely huge.



FIG. 9: CALIFORNIA CATCH FROM THE CENTRAL & SOUTH PACIFIC: In 1971, radiation specialist Dr. Ernest Sternglass, determined that nuclear fallout was the dominant ocean pollutant during the years of bomb testing (1947-1963) primarily by the nuclear superpowers the US, Soviet Union, and UK. The 65% decline was not reversed after the 1963 Partial Test Ban Treaty ending US, Soviet Union and UK bomb tests, because France and China continued tests until 1993. Dr. Sternglass was able to estimate that the deposition of just 250 Curies of Sr-90 and 1300 associated fission products from nuclear tests, caused a 1% reduction in the California fishing catch. In other words, 0.1 kilo Curies of Sr-90 led to a 1% reduction in the fish population for every 2.5 kilotons equivalent of fresh fission products released into the ocean. This is 2000 times less than total yield for typical warheads (such as “Canikin”) that were tested for anti-ballistic missile systems. Dr. Sternglass concluded:

“Thus, although a leak into the fishing grounds of the North Pacific is regarded as unlikely, the consequences of even a small escape of radioactivity localized as it would necessarily be, unlike in the case of an upper stratospheric detonation of such a warhead, could be of disastrous consequences both for the fishing industry and the fish and wildlife of the entire Northern Pacific.”

Source: Sternglass, E.J., “Fallout and Reproduction of Ocean Fish Populations”, unpublished Oct. 8, 1971. http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/Fallout-Fish-Sternglass8oct71.htm


Dr. Fetzer: Oh Leuren, this is shattering news. My wife and family, for example, have been avoiding consuming shrimp from the Gulf of Mexico because of the BP disaster there, but now you are suggesting that fish even from the North Pacific, is also contaminated.
That’s absolutely shocking. And to the best of my knowledge there have been no health hazard warnings issued in the United States whatsoever, about these problems, as enormous and extensive as they are.
Leuren Moret: Well, the politicians, and the government officials, and even academics, are complicit in this. And I just would like to point out that in May [2011], Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, signed an agreement with the Prime Minister of Japan, to continue importing food, untested, from Japan… for American consumption.
Dr. Fetzer: What in God’s name is going on there Leuren? Leuren, this is so irresponsible. I mean you know… I have viewed Hillary Clinton in various ways at various times, sometimes with great admiration, but this is a villainous act.
This is a form of treachery in my opinion. This is utterly irresponsible. This Hillary Clinton thinks she can intuit the safety level of food being imported from an area that has been subjected to vast nuclear contamination?
Leuren Moret: Well there was a ban on Japanese food imports following the March 11, [2011], Fukushima disaster. But by May, two months later, or two and a half months later, that ban was lifted by Hillary Clinton, and that agreement was signed to import and not test Japanese food [for radiation].
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, we are going to have to take our first break on this dismal note. I cannot begin to express the emotions that I am feeling in hearing all of this. We’ll be right back, Jim Fetzer, with my special guest the first hour, Leuren Moret. We are going to be joined by Dr. Christopher Busby during the second hour. We’ll be right back.


Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The Real Deal”, continuing my conversation with Leuren Moret about Fukushima and other disasters around the world. Leuren, I have a new report here, dated October 25, [2011], stating “No one died from radiation exposure at Fukushima says top U.S. nuclear regulator.”
His name is Gregory Jaczko, Chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), speaking at the White House. And he says, and this is quoting him, “What we know right now, there have been no fatalities we are aware of, that are directly related to radiation exposure. I believe there were a few workers who were killed at the plant because they were performing work, and when the tsunami hit, they lost their life.”Leuren, this seems to me to be utterly incredible, and that it is coming from such a high government source disturbs me profoundly.
Leuren Moret: Well, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) was set up from the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC), an earlier government agency, and they were set up to protect the government, and the military, from the public knowing about, or realizing, or understanding, the health and environmental effects of the nuclear bomb testing program [ended in 1963], and the nuclear power program.
So since the 1950's, the AEC and then later the NRC . . . Their main function as government agencies, and they were very well funded, was to hide the environmental and health effects of ionizing radiation from the public.
And we know there was a huge die-off in the United States, babies, unborn babies spontaneously aborted, and very high infant mortality, and children’s cancers… some babies were even born with cancer.


FIG. 10: U.S.A. NEWBORN DETERIORATION IN THE NUCLEAR AGE, 1945-1996: The decline in infant mortality in 1935 continued to fall due to improved prenatal care and better education of pregnant mothers. The era of nuclear bomb testing which began in 1947, caused a large increase in infant mortality and one million excess infant deaths, estimated by Dr. Ernest Sternglass, from in-utero exposure to even low levels of ionizing radiation from fission products released into the atmosphere. British radiation expert, Dr. Chris Busby, has estimated that the Fukushima disaster has released 1000 times more radiation as of August 2011, than the peak concentration of nuclear bomb test fission products measured in 1963 at the British govt. radiation lab at Harwell, UK.
Source: J.M. Gould, E.J. Sternglass et al, “U.S.A. Newborn Deterioration in the Nuclear Age, 1945-1996”, Radiation and Public Health Publications (1998).



Leuren Moret: Farrah Fawcett is one of the victims of nuclear bomb testing. She died recently of rectal cancer, and she was actually born as a newborn baby with cancer of the intestine. So it was probably just a matter of time before cancer had a fatal effect on her health.
Another victim of nuclear bomb testing was Steve McQueen, who was one of the atomic veterans, sent out as a soldier to the Nevada Test site during bomb tests. And these fresh, young, healthy men were put in fox [holes and] trenches… a thousand feet from the nuclear bomb when it went off.
And then they were studied as human guinea pigs for the rest of their lives. And of course… Steve McQueen died of leukemia in his 40's. And so the NRC and the AEC have been doing this forever.



Leuren Moret: Now another very disastrous program is the Environmental Protection Agency [EPA], which was set up by Dr. Stanley Tompkins, and he brought some of his AEC friends over to start what later became the Environmental Protection Agency [EPA].
And the names are always set up as government agencies to make the public think that they are being protected. But it is the reverse. It is actually to protect the government, the military, and whatever the program is that is producing all of this radioactive pollution. It is actually to protect them.
And the military [DOD], and the AEC set up the National Cancer Institute [NCI], they set up the National Institute of Health (NIH) and other — they also set up the Centers for Disease Control [CDC]. So all of the government agencies that are supposed to be protecting us, were actually set up to protect the industry.



FIG. 12: UN GLOBAL MENTAL HEALTH SURVEY: This shocking UN study on mental disorders by severity across countries, indicates that the highest rates of mental disorders occur in countries using, or contaminated from, nuclear technologies. The US, with the highest mental disorder rate in the world (over 26.3% of the population - one in four people), conducted over 1300 nuclear bomb tests at the Nevada Test Site between 1952 and 1963. The pre-birth exposure to ionizing radiation in millions of babies, caused a permanent 12% decline in SAT scores for children born by 1963 exposed in-utero. The US also has 110 nuclear reactors (104 operating reactors) that increased operating capacity from 50% in the 1970’s to over 90% by the 1990’s which doubled the amount of radioactive emissions in addition to new nuclear reactors added to existing plants. Nigeria has the lowest rate of mental illness – 4.7% - due to an absence of nuclear weapons and nuclear power in that region. Radiation from Fukushima will have a very severe global impact on humans, increasing mental illness and other chronic illnesses, by many times in future decades. The damage will also impact the biosphere and the health of the environment.
Source: “Prevalence, Severity, and Unmet Need for Treatment of Mental Disorders in the World Health Organization World Mental Health Surveys”, The WHO World Mental Health Survey Consortium, JAMA, v.291 no.21, June 2, 2004: 2581-2590.


Dr. Fetzer: Americans just don’t understand this. It is also parallel to the deceptive name of the Federal Reserve for a private consortium of banks that issues money in the name of the United States, and then charges the country interest rates for doing that. [President] John F. Kennedy wanted to reform or abolish the Fed.
He had instructed the American Treasury to print United States Notes. I remember as a young Marine Corps officer holding one in my hand, where it had a red embossment print, and said “United States Note” instead of the green Federal Reserve Note.
But it is just shocking, Leuren, the extent to which the American people have been bamboozled by their own government, and their own Congress, acting on behalf of private interests and not the public.


FIG. 13: UNITED STATES NOTE 1963 SERIES: President John F. Kennedy had US Notes printed, eliminating the Federal Reserve owned by private interests. Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy were assassinated and died for their sins of printing US Government money.
Source: Leuren Moret personal property.


Leuren Moret: Well that is basically the power of corporations. You have to realize that the politicians, and the government agencies, that are allowing these nuclear technologies to be promoted, and used, and the effects hidden, are complicit in this whole thing.
And the politicians are very, very, involved in making profits on promoting the use of certain illegal weapons like depleted uranium, or basically nuclear power. It is really an illegal weapon being used against the public. And they take bribes and they have ties to the nuclear industry. They own stock, or they are on the board of directors of the Carlisle Group, or of United Technologies, or companies that are making illegal weapons.
And then they also own the pharmaceutical companies. I am referring specifically to George W. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, who own the pharmaceutical companies, peddling the medicines to sick people, sick citizens, who are the victims of the weapons that these same people have a vested interest in promoting [and have taken control of our universities].
The Carlisle Group, which was started by George Herbert Walker Bush and others, made their first big pile of money on the depleted uranium weapons that were introduced by President George H. W. Bush, to the battlefield in 1990 in Iraq.
And as a result, Jim, and you were a fine Marine officer, my father was a fine Marine officer, you and he were not exposed to depleted uranium weapons, which would have caused an earlier death and a horrible future of long-lingering illnesses, if you or my father had been exposed to that. We have two million soldiers today, medically disabled since 1990, because of depleted uranium.



FIG. 14: 2003 IRAQ WAR MEDICAL DISABILITIES AS OF AUGUST 2006: Reported by the VA as of August 2006, this is the Veterans Administration (VA) list of diagnoses in 631,174 veterans who had served on the battlefield for the first time in the 2003 Iraq War. Muscular-skeletal, mental, ill-defined conditions, gastrointestinal, and neural diseases had the highest numbers of diagnoses in the soldiers and veterans. After WW II, the medical disability rate in veterans was 5%, and rose to 10% for Vietnam veterans due to Agent Orange exposure. The much higher 55% medical disability rate since 1990 in Gulf-era veterans, is due primarily to the 1990 Gulf War introduction and use of depleted uranium weapons to the battlefield. As of 2011 the Veterans Administration (VA) listed over 2 million medically disabled Gulf-era US soldiers and veterans since 1990.
Source: Courtesy of Maj. Doug Rokke retired, from M. Brown powerpoint, Veterans Administration 2006.


Dr. Fetzer: How many again?
Leuren Moret: Two million [since 1990, a 55% medical disability rate].
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable, unbelievable! And think of the vast expense that is associated with all of that in terms of veterans care and lost productivity and the loss of taxes, because these are not individuals who are able to perform ordinary work projects.
Leuren Moret: They are so sick they can’t even drive. They were… many of them have called me and told me they wanted to commit suicide. They have told me stories, “I was a policeman, I was an athlete, I was fit and buff when I went into the military.”
And two months after they got to Iraq, for the 2003 Iraq War, they were already mentally ill from the effects of radiation. It has a huge, huge… uranium has a tremendous impact on the heart and the brain, and also the neuromuscular system. So we have a 55% medical disability rate in our soldiers.
It may be even higher now since 1990, when DU was introduced to the battle field. And after World War II, it was a 5% medical disability rate… that’s with conventional weapons, except for the [atomic] bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki [on a human population for the first time].
After Vietnam, because of Agent Orange, the medical disability rate went up to 10%. But since 1990, with these uranium weapons, the medical disability rate is over 55%. It is in the soldier’s bodies, in their semen, in their blood, in their sweat, and they come back sick from Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Yugoslavia, and they internally contaminate their wives and partners.
The babies born after the men are exposed [to depleted uranium and exotic weapons],are born with horrific birth defects, with no legs or no arms… with one eye in the middle of the forehead, that is called cyclopia



FIG. 15: MONSOON RAINOUT EFFECTS OF US NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND DEPLETED URANIUM: Since 1990 and the first Gulf War, bizarre birth defects (in humans and animals) have been reported in Iraqis, Yugoslavians, Afghanis, Palestinians, and in regions where monsoon rains (see FIG. 17 monsoon map) deposit the “smog of war” - battlefield radioactive dust and aerosols - into the environment. Soldiers returning contaminated from Operation Desert Storm had babies born with hands attached to shoulders, no legs, and other severe birth defects. The deformities in babies from Iraq were even worse, due to permanent exposure to increasing levels of radiation in their environment. Conjoined twins were reported in the Iraqi cities where heavy battles occurred: Mosul, Tikrit, Fallujah, Baghdad, Sadr City, Najaf, and Amara. Cyclopia (one eyed babies born with half a face and brain) were reported in Iraq, Nigeria, India, and across the regions of the monsoon season. The opposite of Cyclopia, or Disprosopus in babies with two faces, have been similarly reported in contaminated regions. Conjoined twinning in animals has been reported in Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, India, China, Japan, US, and in other areas of the monsoon season. During bomb testing in the US (1952-63), conjoined twinning became an epidemic and the annual numbers born correlated with the total kiloton equivalent of detonations each year. Since 1990 and the first Gulf War (use of depleted uranium, neutron devices, low kt nuclear weapons), conjoined twinning has become a widespread phenomenon throughout the Middle East and even as far as Poland, Caribbean, Argentina, western slope of the Andes Mts. of South America, US, SE Asia (Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines), Africa, and Europe. In response to the twinning crisis, King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud of Saudi Arabia, established the “Kingdom of Humanity” a modern center in Riyadh to separate conjoined twins at his own personal expense, for parents anywhere in the world with conjoined twins. What a generous miracle for parents without means, and what a gift to the children!
Source: King Abdullah “Kingdom of Humanity”, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia


Leuren Moret: All these rare birth defects, are occurring not only in our soldiers, but in Fallujah, in the Iraqi population the rate is much higher. And fortunately we will be talking to Dr. Chris Busby who has done more, than any other individual around the world, in doing actual scientific research and reports on the effects in our soldiers and in the Iraqis. And he will be talking about a health survey.
I think it was over 5,000 people were surveyed in Fallujah secretly, and he has compiled that data, and published it now, and it is just horrifying. The birth defects and the infant mortality are five to ten times higher than in Jordan and Israel and surrounding countries.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, and of course these are not the only areas in which we have had ecological and evolutionary disasters. But also of course, in the Gulf of Mexico where, as I have mentioned, we have made efforts to avoid Gulf of Mexico shrimp. But the consequences there for those who live on the land in the immediate vicinity, who are on the shoreline, and worldwide of course, the vast majority of the world’s population lives in locations in close proximity to shorelines.
I mean this has to have been an unprecedented disaster to all of them, to their livelihoods, and to their health and well-being, from Texas and Louisiana and Mississippi and working our way to Florida. I mean… it has to have been simply a massive calamity, economically, ecologically, and health-wise.
Leuren Moret: That is correct. And what was reported, in April during those big tornadoes across the Southern states, is that when the hailstones were analyzed, Corexit was identified as a contaminant inside the hailstones. And at the same time that those tornadoes were occurring, with Corexit in the rain and the hailstones, the huge plumes of radioactive pollution from Fukushima were traveling through the Southern states and contaminating Florida, all of the Southern states.
And combining chemically with the Corexit, which is a chemical toxin, and the ionizing radiation from Fukushima – as a nanoparticle, chemical, and a radioactive toxin.
And the Corexit, and the radiation together, multiply the effects [synergistic effects] of each other – by at least ten times – the harmful effects. So it accelerated the death rates, the infant mortality, spontaneous abortion, in those Southern states and it sure does look like a depopulation agenda to me.
Dr. Fetzer: Well that is fairly stunning Leuren, you know, to think that these things could be done deliberately is simply, good God, nauseating. I mean it is so grotesque –
Leuren Moret: It sure is.
Dr. Fetzer: — That this could be the case. It leaves me virtually speechless.
Leuren Moret: Well, now let us just look at what was just reported this week in the Daily Mail in England about the effects on Marine life in the Gulf of Baja… The Sea of Cortez [in Mexico]. And that is the sea that is between the peninsula of Baja California and the mainland of Mexico.
There is kind of an inland sea there. And fishermen are reporting that when they caught female sharks in that inland sea, called the Sea of Cortez, they have found unborn baby sharks with one eye in the middle of the forehead.


FIG. 16: RARE CYCLOPS SHARK CAUGHT IN MEXICO: A shark pup with albino skin and a single eye was found by fishermen in the Gulf of California, Mexico, in Oct. 2011, when they cut open the stomach of its mother. The shark pup also had many internal birth defects when it was examined. Other fishermen reported finding unborn conjoined baby shark twins in another pregnant female shark in the same area. The Fukushima Japan nuclear disaster March 11, 2011, has caused widespread radioactive contamination of the northern Pacific Ocean, indicating food contamination from the Pacific is now a serious danger. The radiation map in Fig. 1 indicates heavy contamination of the Pacific Coast from Alaska through Mexico, and confirms heavy radiation exposure of the Gulf of Mexico. The Pacific Islands such as Hawaii, Guam, and others are also exposed to high levels of radiation from Fukushima, poisoning critical food supplies for coastal indigenous populations in the Pacific rim region. The entire Pacific fishery can be expected to now be very contaminated.


Leuren Moret: It is called cyclopia, which has also been reported in Fallujah [babies], during bomb testing [in the US 1952-1963], in Afghanistan, and in Kazakhstan in the Semipalatinsk area, where the Russians, the Soviets did their nuclear bomb tests in Central Asia. So we are also — these fishermen reported in another female shark, they found an unborn baby shark that was actually a conjoined twin, it is a Siamese Twin.
And there is a very large increase in conjoined twinning in Central Asia, the Middle East, and in regions like the Himalayas and China and across parts of Africa where the monsoon rains are raining out the depleted uranium and the exotic weapons still being used in Afghanistan and Iraq.
So conjoined twinning also rapidly increased all over the United States during the bomb testing era 1952-1963.


Fig. 17: MONSOON RAINOUT MAP: Wet summer and dry winter rainout patterns are known as the monsoon cycle, and is used to refer to the rainy phase of a seasonally-changing pattern, with a dry winter phase. Due to heavy use of depleted uranium and nuclear weapons introduced by the US in Iraq in 1990, the monsoon rainout regions have high rates of birth defects and conjoined twinning reported in animals and humans. When such rare phenomena are reported in both animals and humans, an environmental contaminant is the most likely cause. Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afganistan, Lebanon, Gaza, Korea, Mindanao in the Philippines, Sudan, Somalia, and Australia are highly contaminated (from military weapons use) point sources for depleted uranium (and other exotic weapons) atmospheric contamination which is carried and rained out globally by the annual patterns of monsoon circulation. Si nce 2003, the US military has been synchronizing heavy carpet bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan with the summer monsoon heavy rainy season for maximum rainout of radiation across the regions on this map. In the “shadow of war”, President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and Former Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva are now suffering from cancer. Pres. Chavez announced a cancer summit in early 2012 for current and former S. American Presidents who have suffered from cancer: Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, 63, (lymphatic cancer in 2009), Paraguayan President Fernando Lugo, 60, (lymphatic cancer August 2010), Venezuelan Pres. Chavez, 57, (tumor in pelvic area 2011), Brazilian Pres. Lula da Silva, 66, (throat cancer 2011). These cancers are typical of depleted uranium exposures.
Source: “Venezuela's Hugo Chavez calls for 'cancer summit'”, The New Age, Nov. 7, 2011.


Dr. Fetzer: I am reminded of a conversation that I had with Major Doug Rokke ret., who used to fly B-52 bombers and who has considerable familiarity with depleted uranium weapons.
When I asked him why would the military, being aware of the vast genetic consequences, the deformities, the stillbirths and so forth, persevere in using these weapons, and he told me it was because they were the best weapons to use, for example, to penetrate the thick armor of tanks. And that, when I pressed him, he conceded that the military simply doesn’t care…
Leuren Moret: That’s right.
Dr. Fetzer: – About the health effects or genetic consequences, I mean…
Leuren Moret: Well they can use tungsten. Tungsten is denser even than depleted uranium and it doesn’t have the same radiological effects. Tungsten is toxic in some circumstances and some molecules and compounds [such as DIME weapons used in Gaza, Iraq, Lebanon cite]. Tungsten is a very fine kinetic energy penetrator [used by the US Navy], it just costs more.
Dr. Fetzer: And Leuren, I am quite confident that there is collusion here between the nuclear power industry that has all of these waste products that they want to get rid of, and convert into a profit rather than a loss and by marketing them, selling them to the military for use in depleted uranium weapons, they are able to do that.
Leuren Moret: Well, for every pound of uranium, naturally occurring uranium, that is extracted from ore, 99.7% of that extracted metal is depleted uranium. It is radioactive trash. And only 0.5% [U-235] of the uranium they mine can be used for nuclear weapons or nuclear power plant fuel.
So there is a huge waste stream. And what they are doing is they are dumping into the public domain, any metals that are contaminated with radiation… now are being recycled into the civilian metal supply. They are being remanufactured in countries like China and we don’t even know what is in the metal. And our country, our government, is hiding it from the public.
Dr. Fetzer: So that the next can of peas or beets or whatever you obtain at the grocery store, might actually be in a can that is exuding radiation.
Leuren Moret: Or baby stroller.
Dr. Fetzer: Or baby stroller. Or a walker for the elderly. Or a wheel chair.
Leuren Moret: Or braces on your teeth. And a really horrible story, horrible story about what academic institutions do with people who donate their bodies for science. This was a horrible scandal, that the University of California at Los Angeles was involved in, and other universities in the U.S.
They were selling those bodies donated for science, by alumni or whoever had donated to the universities… they were selling them for $10,000 a cadaver to the U.S. Army, and the U.S. Army was using these dead bodies of people’s grandparents, and great grandparents, and parents, for target practice with depleted uranium bullets.
Dr. Fetzer: Good gracious. What in the world would that be necessary for. I mean ordinary bullets will go through a body, much less depleted uranium.
Leuren Moret: That is just what the Army… that is what the Pentagon is spending a lot of money on.
Dr. Fetzer: And Leuren, there seems to be a parallel here with fluoride, which was a toxic waste product of the processing of certain kinds of chemicals by the industry, and once again it has been converted in such a fashion as to be used in our water supply and allegedly on the grounds that it strengthens our enamel and makes it less likely we are going to suffer from tooth decay.
But my impression at this point in time is in fact what we are undergoing is a gradual poisoning of the entire population.
Leuren Moret: Depleted uranium, in order to extract that 0.5% of U-235, and this all occurs at the Oak Ridge, Tennessee, nuclear weapons lab, they take the natural uranium metal that is removed from ore, extracted from ore, and they turn it into uranium hexafluoride gas.
And they pass that through filters [membranes] that remove the U-235, but they can only remove 0.5% of it. And when they convert the separated uranium metals [depleted uranium and U-235], the depleted uranium which has been depleted in U-235, and the pure U-235, they convert it back to uranium metal.
They have all that fluoride, which is highly corrosive and extremely neurotoxic, and so that was Dr. Edward Teller’s idea. He is referred to as “Dr. Strangelove”. He was for a very short period . . . he was Director of Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab. He said “Let’s just dilute it by dumping it into the American water supply.”
They think dilution is the solution to pollution. And of course he and others were very aware that fluoride was added to drinking water in the slave camps in Germany, to subdue the slave prisoners during World War II under the Nazis. And Asian leaders have also used it to subdue their subjects, because it slows down the functioning of the brain.
Dr. Fetzer: You are telling me that the fluoridization of the water supply in the United States is having the effect of making the population more passive, more amenable to manipulation, and less resistant to abuse.
Leuren Moret: Yes. And the fluoride ion or atom that gets into the tooth structure, actually weakens the tooth structure, because it is not the correct element and it interacts with the crystalline structure of the tooth material in a negative way. It shouldn’t be there. It is not as strong. It does not make the teeth stronger, it makes them weaker.
Dr. Fetzer: So fluoride does not even help to resist tooth decay, which is the principal ground on which it has been marketed to the American people. It is like Star Wars.
I had Bob Bowman, who has a PhD in nuclear engineering from Caltech, who was Scientific Director of the Star Wars projects under Carter and Ford, and who when I pressed him during an interview about the militarization of space, he demurred and wouldn’t really respond, but within weeks was explaining on other programs that the whole program had always been offensive.
That it was sold to the American people as defensive, but it was always all about the militarization of space.
Leuren Moret: Exactly.
Dr. Fetzer: So we get all this marketing of products, that are extremely hazardous to the health and well-being of the American people, and our government does nothing but lie, lie, lie, lie about them.



FIG. 18: PEAK DEATHS IN US FROM FUKUSHIMA: This graph, based on data from the Centers for Disease Control, indicates that the peak period of excess deaths in the US was April 23-May 21, 2011, in the West North and South Central regions, with a peak death date (West North Central: from 0% on April 23 to 34% increase on May 7 - see table below on left as of 7/9/11). The CDC excess deaths data for each region (below on right), based on age groups, indicates that the elderly have had significant excess death rates in all 6 regions, which is expected for people in their older years with compromised health histories. However, the significant increases for the 45-64 age group (sometimes higher than for the elderly), is surprising but may be due to bomb testing exposure in childhood (1947-63), or Gulf-era veterans exposure to depleted uranium since 1990. The very high increase in death rates – 18.7% - in the 25-44 age group in the West South Central region (Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana) is hard to explain without pointing to the military, since there are many military bases in those states, and today veterans tend to settle near military bases when they get out of active duty so they can use veterans medical facilities.
Source: Bobby1, “Post-Fukushima Excess Deaths in US Updated for Sept. 3”


GREAT CONVEYOR BELT: Dr. Wallace Broecker of Columbia University, discovered and named the major global ocean circulation system the "Great Conveyor Belt," estimated to be 60 times stronger than the combined force of all the world's rivers. It distributes heat around the globe and plays an important role in regulating Earth's climate. It has also served as the transport mechanism to deliver very large deliberate releases of fission products from the Sellafield/Windscale nuclear facility in Cumbria, England, since the 1950’s. Not only did Windscale/Sellafield radioactive emissions contaminate the Irish Sea, all of England, Scotland, the Scandinavian fisheries, and the Arctic, but the radiation was carried on ocean currents to India. The House of Commons Environment Select Committee, February 1986, testified in the Parliament that:
"The UK discharges more radioactivity into the sea than any other nation. As the Ministry of Agriculture confirmed to us, Sellafield is the largest recorded source of radioactive discharge in the world. The anxiety and controversy which this arouses in the UK is well known. It also creates anxiety in other nations. We found, for example, that the Swedes could identify radioactive traces in fish off their coast being largely attributable to Sellafield, greater even than the contamination from adjacent Swedish nuclear power stations. Similar experiences were reported to us by the Isle of Man government. That the UK, with a comparatively small nuclear industry, should be so dramatically out of step is a cause for concern."

Peak releases with global implications, were taking place in 1957, 1971-1978, and 1983-1984, and caused increases in Indian infant mortality rates. An unexplained 36.5% decline in fertility in India has occurred since 1971, and approximately 30 million Indian babies have died or were stillborn from 1950-2008, as a result of exposure to atmospheric testing, Chernobyl, and Sellafield radioactive emissions. It seems that the Sellafield releases engineered by the British, foreshadowed the Fukushima nuclear disaster, that it will have a global impact many times worse than Sellafield.
Source: "Achieving Sustainable Development in the 21st Century", the Earth Institute at Columbia University (2007), p.27.


Leuren Moret: That’s right, and the peak levels of radiation [from the Fukushima disaster in Japan on March 11, 2011] that reached the United States, were not even reported.
But it was from the last week in April to almost the last week in May, and the peak level of dry [dust and aerosols settling into the environment] and wet radiation deposition [from rain, fog, snow] in the environment was May 7th [2011]. It was a horrendous increase.
Dr. Fetzer: May 7th of this year [2011], yes.
Leuren Moret: That’s right, and the peak levels of radiation [from the Fukushima disaster in Japan on March 11, 2011] that reached the United States, were not even reported.
But it was from the last week in April to almost the last week in May, and the peak level of dry [dust and aerosols settling into the environment] and wet radiation deposition [from rain, fog, snow] in the environment was May 7th [2011]. It was a horrendous increase.
Leuren Moret: Yes. The percentage of deaths quadrupled. It increased four times. On one day.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, as we continue we are going to be joined by Dr. Chris Busby from the UK, and everyone should stand by. [I am] Jim Fetzer, your host. We will be continuing my conversation with Leuren Moret and Christopher Busby when we return.



Total Fertility Trajectory for the World 1950-2050


FIG. 19: UN 2008 REPORT SHOWING GLOBAL POPULATION DECLINE SINCE 1963 This UN report on global population changes includes the years from 1950 to the present, and projects future changes out to 2050, a one-hundred-year interval. It exposes the fact that the population has been shrinking since the 1950’s. The impacts of nuclear technologies on global population decline are clear – nuclear bomb tests, nuclear power plants, Chernobyl, and the introduction of depleted uranium weaponry in 1990 have all taken their toll on the human race. What lies ahead as the consequence of the Fukushima nuclear disaster will dwarf the global impact of nuclear technologies in the past.
Source: “World Population Prospects: The 2008 Revision – Highlights


Heavy firepower was used in Fallujah in 2004

HEAVY FIRE POWER WAS USED IN FALLUJAH IN 2004: U.S. Marines fire Nov. 11, 2004, on Fallujah with a 155 mm Howitzer. One of the weapons originally designed for this artillery piece was a tactical nuclear weapon (that could include a neutron warhead) designed by Samuel Cohen, to be fired in eastern Europe on Soviet troops during President Ronald Reagan’s term in office.
[Photo: Lance Cpl. Samantha L. Jones]


Forward to Part II:

New Bombs and War Crimes in Fallujah

(also archived at Veterans Today)

by Dr. James Fetzer

3 Nov 2011

On Friday, 28 October 2011, it was my honor to host Leuren Moret and Christopher Busby as my guests on “The Real Deal”, an internet radio program broadcast on M/W/F from 5-7 PM/CT over revereradio.net. Leuren Moret is an independent geoscientist who has done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster, radiation problems around the world including depleted uranium. Dr. Christopher Busby is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University of Ulster and is the co-author of reports about the effects of depleted uranium in Iraq especially in relation to Fallujah. What Busby found much to his surprise was not DU but enriched uranium instead.

The interview was extraordinary on many counts. During the first hour, Leuren reported on the latest research about Fukushima and laid out a background for understanding the issues that she and Busby and I would discuss during the second hour. It has become apparent from Busby’s research that a new kind of bomb–which seems to be a neutron bomb–has been used in Fallujah, but also in other areas, including Lebanon. As though that discovery were not astonishing enough, listening to him, it struck me that this same weapon may have been used to destroy the Twin Towers, an explanation for which has remained elusive and where alternative theories about the possible use of mini-nukes, directed energy weaponry, and other causal mechanisms have been widely discussed–or, in some cases, actually suppressed.
So there are linkages of evidence and causation that tie together the commission of war crimes in Iraq with mechanisms of destruction that may have brought about the near-total conversion of two massive, 500,000 ton buildings into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust. We know that nanothermite does not have the capacity to bring about these effects, even though it has many staunch advocates. So what we have to learn from Christopher Busby may not only expose the existence of a new weapon of mass destruction but also provide a key to understanding what happened on 9/11. The transcription of the second hour of the program (published here) was done by Jeannon Kralj [Editor's Note: bulk of work done by William Fox], to whom we are indebted for the excellence of her work. The images and captions were courtesy of Leuren Moret. I plan to have the first hour published tomorrow and will provide a link to the audio file as soon as it becomes available, which it has just become.

The Real Deal Radio Show (28 October 2011)
Host: Jim Fetzer: James Fetzer Ph.D.
Dr. Busby: Christopher Busby, Ph.D.
Leuren Moret: Leuren Moret B.S., M.A., PhD (ABD)

HOUR TWO (transcribed by Jeannon Kralj and William B. Fox)


Jim Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The Real Deal”, continuing my conversation with Leuren Moret and now we have been joined by Professor Christopher Busby who is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University of Ulster and is the co-author of reports about the effects of depleteed uranium in Iraq especially in relation to Fallujah.
Chris, welcome to “The Real Deal”.
Dr. Busby: Yes, hello.
Jim Fetzer: Please do tell us about the results of your studies and the effects of the depleted uranium.
Dr. Busby: Okay, well, I’ve done two studies with colleagues in Iraq of the town of Fallujah, which I am sure everybody knows was attacked by US-led forces in 2004, and there was an enormous amount of fire-power used then. And following that there’s been a lot of talk about increases in cancer and congenital malformations and various other conditions, but nobody had ever done any proper epidemiology or scientific study. So it was all anecdotal, although it had been reported in a lot of media.
So a colleague of mine, Malak Hamden, decided to get involved and she contacted me and together we developed an idea to conduct an epidemiological study. This was in 2010 and we organized a team of people in Fallujah to visit various houses and set up a randomized group of people in houses to tell us how many people there were, sexes, ages and so forth, and how many cancers they had and what the population was and so forth. And that study was published in the International Journal of Environmental Public Health, a Swiss journal, in 2010.

And what it showed was that there was an enormous increase – there was – everybody had been right – all the anecdotal evidence was actually borne out. There was a very big increase in cancer in that population, highly statistically significant, and also there was a big increase in infant mortality and mostly driven by congenital disease, and there was a change in sex ratio, that is to the number of boys born to the number of girls, which is very indicative of a genomic or genetic effect on the sperm [in men] or the eggs of the women.


Toxic Zones in Iraq

TOXIC ZONES IN IRAQ: High risk areas contaminated with depleted uranium and other toxins from 30 years of war have left large areas of environmental ruin. The largest towns and cities account for 25% of the contaminated areas. Higher rates of cancer and birth defects have been reported at these sites. Contaminated agricultural lands in southern Iraq have caused a decline in the health of the poorest people living in those parts of the country. Recently a severe drought has decreased the water flowing in the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers by 70%, causing additional unprecedented environmental disaster. In October 2010, news sources in Baghdad Province reported 1 billion cubic tons of garbage had been dumped into the Tigris River and was increasing every day.
[Sources: Chulov, M., “Iraq littered with high levels of nuclear and dioxin contamination, study finds”, Guardian, January 22, 2010. Kamal, F. “One million cubic tons of garbage dumped in Tigris River”, AZZAMAN.COM, Oct. 28, 2010]


Dr. Busby: And so there was evidently some other cause in order to answer to the fact that the levels of cancer were higher than had been reported following Hiroshima. So we’re talking about some sort of agent which causes massive genetic damage in a population. And of course everyone said ‘well it must be depleted uranium.’ But of course this was an epidemiological study so we didn’t we couldn’t say anything about depleted uranium or what it was.
But in order to investigate it, we then decided to go ahead and have a look at a group of parents of children with congenital malformations. And so one of the team who was a pediatrician at Fallujah General Hospital organized 25 fathers and 25 mothers of children with serious congenital malformations, many of these died of course, and took hair samples from these people and we analyzed those hair samples using quite sophisticated technique, or Inductively Coupled Plasma Mass Spectrometry (ICPMS).
And we looked at 52 elements in the hair samples of these people and we found quite large increases in a whole range of elements but most of them were innocuous, things like calcium and aluminum and magnesium, which are not likely to cause congenital malformations. In fact, the only thing that we found apart from uranium that might have been implicated was mercury. But the source and levels of congenital malformations that we had found, and in fact there is another paper which hasn’t been published yet which does show these levels at very high levels of congenital malformation. The only thing that could explain it was uranium.


Large increases in congenital defects

[Source: Friday, December 31, 2010 BBC interview on the Fallujah Epidemic of Birth Defects]
BBC VIDEO: Fallujah Epidemic of Birth Defects, BBC interview on YouTube at:


Dr. Busby: The interesting thing about the uranium was that we were able to measure the isotopic ratio because we were interested to see whether it was, you know, natural uranium or was it DU, which is what we thought it would be. But in fact it turned out to be slightly enriched uranium [with U-235], so, that is to say, it was manmade enriched uranium.
Now enriched uranium is a material that should only be found in a nuclear power station or inside an atomic bomb. So to find it in the hair of the parents of these children with congenital malformations was really astonishing.
So we then went to look to see how this could be, and to cut a long story short, we concluded from various patents from the US patent office that we received from physicists, that it was quite entirely likely that there was a new secret weapon being used, an anti-personnel weapon of some sort which contained enriched uranium or else generated enriched uranium.
And so there are basically two possibilities. One is that they are using this enriched uranium. It’s only mildly enriched uranium, to cover their tracks, so that afterwards nobody can come to them, you know, with a whole trail of people with cancer and congenital disease and say ‘Hey look, we’re going to sue you” because then they can say “Well, you know, there’s no depleted uranium there.’
And the alternative – which is sort of science fictional and which is entirely possible – I have to say, which is that they have developed a sort of neutron device which uses enriched uranium as part of its components to generate neutrons. And the way it does this is to dissolve tritium in uranium powder. Like deuterium, heavy hydrogen is very soluble in uranium, and when it is compressed, when the saturated solution is compressed, you can get a cold fusion reaction which produced helium-4 and neutrons, and so that too is a possibility. But of course we don’t know what the answer is.
And interestingly enough, and also connected to this, is the fact that we know from various papers that have been published that the Gulf War veterans, the US Gulf War veterans, have also had a very high and statistically significant increase in congenital malformations in their children. But the uranium source of this has been excluded on the basis of urine tests which show that there is no depleted uranium. But of course, what we have discovered is that there wouldn’t be depleted uranium because it is enriched uranium.


Cancer rate increase in Basra, Iraq 1993-2001

CANCER RATE INCREASES IN BASRA, IRAQ 1993-2001: Dr. Jawad Al-Ali, an oncologist in Basra, Iraq, reported large increases in cancer and leukemia in Basra following the 1990 Gulf War, and the introduction of depleted uranium weapons to the battlefield by the US govt. Cancer rates in Fallujah from the 2004 attack are even higher than Basra, and many times higher than after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
[Source: Dr. Jawad Al-Ali, Basra, Iraq]


Jim Fetzer: Well Chris, this is fairly astonishing news. I must say, I am taken aback in that the belief that it has been depleted uranium that has caused these problems, so widespread, so ubiquitous, that your findings are truly astonishing, I think even revolutionary, in altering the paradigm with which we view these matters where the American government, once again, is complicit. Whereas the attack on Fallujah obviously involved war crimes on a massive scale in the use of chemical and other weapons that were banned under the Geneva Conventions, now we’re talking about a whole new family of weapons that have devastating effects and that alter the genetics of the civilian and military population, which can have incalculable consequences from an evolutionary point of view. I am stunned.
Dr. Busby: Yes, well so were we. But I have to say that we weren’t absolutely astonished as we might have been because we had already turned up enriched uranium in a bomb crater in Lebanon in 2006, and there are certainly no differences about that in two separate laboratories using two entirely different techniques. So in one laboratory they used ICPMS, which is this method we just used.
But in another one, they used the old fashioned but much more certain method which is called alpha spectroscopy. And so in that laboratory, they also found enriched uranium. So there is no doubt that enriched uranium is being used as some component of some modern weapons system.
And the other thing about it is that people are so “Oh well you know they use…, why do you find depleted uranium because there are no tanks.” And of course the answer is that it is an anti-personnel method of attack. It is not a tank buster at all. It is a new system and I think that this is the message to the planet, that there is a secret new system and it is extremely dangerous.


Large increase in Fallujah post-2004 attacks

LARGE INCREASE IN FALLUJAH BIRTH DEFECTS WERE REPORTED AFTER 2004 US ATTACKS: Defects in newborns were 11 times higher than normal, “war contaminants” from new exotic weapons including nuclear weapons, are the probable cause.
[Source: Chulov, M., "Research links rise in Falluja birth defects and cancers to US assault", The Guardian (UK), Dec. 30, 2010]


Jim Fetzer: Yes, extremely dangerous, and you are observing it was found in Lebanon, where to the best of my knowledge, there was not an American incursion but rather an Israeli, and that the Israelis may even have developed this weapon or been provided with it by the American government.
Leuren Moret: Actually what happened is that during the attack, in the middle of the Israeli attack on Lebanon, the US sent 800, rushed, 800 special bombs, and I have photos of them on planes in England and landing and taking off in Scotland and also Ireland. And they expedited delivery of these special bombs to the Israelis to use on Lebanon in the second half of that attack, and I believe that those may have been the source of this exotic weapons signature that Dr. Busby has just mentioned.
Jim Fetzer: Chris, had you heard those reports before possibly …?
Dr. Busby: Well I know that the Americans did supply bombs to the Israeli because there was a lot of fuss when they were landing in Scotland. The Scottish people wanted to prevent them using the airports there as a staging place for refueling in order to supply the Israelis because there was a lot of opposition to that particular war, which was another illegal war [unintelligible] I think it was in this report.
The crater that we found in Khiam (Lebanon) that my colleague, that actually I sent my colleague out there to look at, was in fact radioactive. So not only did we find DU but we found enriched uranium in it. The reason that we went there in the first place was that one of the local physicists who had been looking at the various effects of these weapons in Lebanon detected the radiation signature of this particular crater was alarmingly high, so that’s why we went to see why it was high. Now the radiation levels fell rapidly over about six weeks and went back to normal. Now that would be a signature for a neutron device because what happens is that the neutrons from the device cause an increased level of gamma radioactivity due to neutron activation of substances in the soil, but these are fairly short-lived, and so they do drop off over a short period of about three to six weeks, so that would fit in with that possibility.


Turbocharged "Superbombs"

TURBOCHARGED “SUPERBOMBS”: Reactive Materials can be used to replace inert metals in munitions, all different kinds of weapons. Even Explosively Formed Penetrators, or EFPs, the “superbombs” used to such deadly effect in Iraq and Afghanistan, are candidates for the reactive materials revolution.
[Source: Hambling, D., “Reactive Revolution: Turbocharged ‘Superbombs’”, WIRED, May 9, 2008]


Jim Fetzer: Now Chris, perhaps you can confirm my impression that one of the benefits of these neutron weapons is that they kill people but don’t damage property.
Dr. Busby: Well that’s why they were developed, of course. Yes, that’s correct, that is why they were developed.
I want to be very cautious about all of this. I have talked to a number of physicists who say that this is possible, who say that the model seems reasonable, but we have no real evidence apart from the existence of enriched uranium [I-235] in this crater in Lebanon, deuterium, anomalously high levels of radioactivity caused by neutron activation, and the rest is surmisable.
Jim Fetzer: Well, on the other hand, if you apply the principle of inference to the best explanation, if you consider alternative hypotheses about the possible cause and calculate the probability of the effects if those causes were indeed what had brought about those effects, the causes with the highest probability have the highest degree of evidential support …
Dr. Busby: Yes, of course. But the thing about this is that it is entirely possible also that what they are doing is just disposing of a load of old nuclear warheads. As you know, they have to have a lot of decommissioning of nuclear weapons and there are significant amounts, very large amounts of enriched uranium in those nuclear weapons, and so the point is that that stuff would have to normally be disposed of as nuclear waste. Now that would be a simple matter for them to just mix it in with depleted uranium until you got a mix which just took you on the correct side of the dose limits to the soldiers. That’s the way these people think. I can tell you. They would mix it in so that the soldiers under some risk model approach would have less than one millisievert in a year or whatever the risk level is, and that would be a very neat way of getting rid of all their warheads without having to find somewhere to put them which would cost them money. At the same time, of course, they could use them in this new weapon.
Now it doesn’t have to be a neutron weapon. The patents that we’ve found include a weapon where the uranium is part of an explosive, and then this explosive is used in a shaped charge, a sort of shaped appliance so that it shapes and directs the actual explosion power.
Now there are various missiles and tank styles that are called TOW and these are directed-charge weapons. And I’ve seen pictures of these taken at tanks. They fly over the top of the tanks and they suddenly go “bang” and this enormous directed charge goes downward on to the top of the tank and atomizes it. And these are quite small missiles. So there is an alternative explanation so it doesn’t have to be something nuclear.
Jim Fetzer: Goes down on the top of the tank and atomizes it?
Dr. Busby: Yes, yes, it does. It’s the most extraordinary thing, that the missile doesn’t hit the tank – it flies over the top of it and a sort of [shaped] charge shoots out from the bottom of the missile and blows the tank apart from the top.
Jim Fetzer: Could such a weapon then be used on steel structure high-rise buildings?
Dr. Busby: Well you could make a directed charge weapon that could do anything, and some of these weapons, of course…I think the point is…This has been described in various books about the battle of Fallujah. It’s not me saying this. But they do have these missiles that can blow down walls, and the problem was that these guys, what they call “the insurgents,” were inside buildings and were shooting out through windows and the easiest way to get them would be to just completely demolish the wall. So these directed-charge weapons are capable of doing that, which is to blow the wall away, presumably when the wall comes down with them. So there are lots and lots of modern weapons.
Another thing about this is that a lot of very strange wounds have been found. You know there is actually a group of doctors who are trying to figure out how these wounds have been found. They are not the sort of wounds you get in combats in historic wars. They’re entirely new. So there is some sort of new weapon out there, and I think probably it contains uranium – would be my guess.


Burn wounds never seen before

FALLUJAH BURNS: During the 2004 US attack on Fallujah, strange wounds and burns were reported by Doctors treating Iraqi war casualties. These types of wounds had never been seen before.


Jim Fetzer: Could you sketch some of these wounds so that we would have a better idea of what you are talking about?
Dr. Busby: There are people who have been found that for no apparent reason their bodies are slightly swollen and they cut the bodies open to look inside and found nothing at all which could produce pain–explain why they are dead.
Now this could be the consequence of a thermobaric weapon. Now uranium explosives have been associated with the development thermobaric weapons because what these weapons do, instead of their “bang” very sharply with a kind of sharp shock wave, they produce a very slow shock wave, so the shock wave goes out and then it sucks back into a vacuum. It just destroys people by its sudden change in pressure. It sucks their lungs out, if you like. So that could be one of them.
Now I took photographs of a boy who was hit by one of these weapons and there’s a stripe across his chest which is like a black stripe. The rest of him is perfectly all right. There is no problem with him, but where the stripe crosses his arm, the arm has been completely charred and its like you can just see two sticks where the bones are still there but they’re carbonized. So this guy who has obviously standing by a window and some enormous heat has come through the window and has just totally wiped out parts of him and other parts are completely unharmed. There are a number of these pictures around which really don’t make sense unless you have some kind of new weapon that we don’t fully understand [yet] . . .
Jim Fetzer: Chris, this is nauseating, I mean, man’s inhumanity to man, you know, seems to be on blatant display here.
Dr. Busby: It’s an interesting philosophical point really, how these people can do it. But you see they put themselves in a different universe. They just sit there with their pencils and paper and they kind of just see it as a . . . I don’t know, like an abstract plan on how to kill somebody. They don’t see them as real people.
Leuren Moret: It’s nothing personal, Chris. It’s nothing personal. It’s just another industry like making shoes to them.
Dr. Busby: I saw a very interesting video about three women who were walking along, Palestinians as well, and they were looking at a drone, one of these Israeli drones, and then two of the young daughters turned to the mother and smiled at her and sort of laughed and then pointed to it, and then the drone wiped them out. It sort of sent a missile down and blew them to pieces, these two children. And then later on in this same program, I saw a picture of the Israelis, young men sitting at computer screens with joy sticks, and they were controlling these drones and they were looking through the eyes of the drone, if you like, and seeing people walking about, and then they could press a button on the joy stick just like a computer game. And I had this vision of two of these guys sitting there and they saw these two beautiful young women turn round and laugh at them, you know, thought they were laughing at the drone, but who knows, they may have been laughing at some joke that they had made. You know, these guys saw them laughing at the drone and they just pressed the button and wiped them out. It is like that – this distance between people – that these modern weapons enable people to use.
Jim Fetzer: I’ve actually published a piece entitled, “On the Ethical Conduct of Warfare: Predator Drones”, that was published by Global Research, and studies have shown that from these drone attacks they are killing on the average of 140 innocent civilians for every targeted insurgent. And of course, as we well know, since the United States is the aiding and occupying force from the point of view of the Iraqis and the Afghans, these are “freedom fighters” as Ronald Reagan described the Contras in Nicaragua.
The incapacity of Americans to see another point of view, Chris, is simply staggering, I must tell you, it’s just staggering.
Dr. Busby: Well I agree with you, absolutely. I kind of know that. I know that. I don’t know what you can do about it.
Jim Fetzer: The fact that you’ve been dealing with these exotic weapons, or at least their effects, leads me to ask the following question. One of the most puzzling aspects of research on 9/11 is how the Twin Towers were destroyed because their being converted into millions of yards of very fine dust from the top down, while all the floors were remaining stationary. The mass of the lower parts of the buildings is overwhelmingly greater than the mass of the top of the building – in relation to the North Tower, for example, the top 14 floors, because the steel is tapered from the base. Whereas in the sub-basement it is 6 inches thick, and then 5 and so forth up to a quarter inch thick at the top, represents that only 1.4 percent of the mass of the steel and the idea that that could overcome the lower 98.6 is simply a physical impossibility. And yet we have these buildings clearly being blown apart in every direction, not any effect of a unidirectional gravitational attraction downward. And the question becomes “what could possibly have brought this about?” And I just wonder if any of these extraordinary weapons you are talking about could have such effects.
Dr. Busby: Well, that is an interesting question there and it has to do with this story of tritium in the water in the basement of the Twin Towers. Now if you look at tritium in the Twin Towers, there is a proper, peer reviewed scientific paper by a number of quite eminent chemical analysts who measured the concentration of the element tritium, which is a form of radioactive hydrogen [used in nuclear weapons and produced in some nuclear reactions] in the basement waters of the Twin Towers, and they concluded that the amount of tritium there was absolutely impossible – it could not have got there except as a consequence of some “unusual happening”.
Now the point about this weapon that I’m talking to you about, this weapon of deuterium and uranium, is that it does actually produce tritium. That’s one of its major products. It produces helium-4 and tritium. So what you would need to look for if you were looking for, I suppose, this particular explosive’s sort of footprint, you would look for tritium, and they did find tritium in the Twin Towers, so it is entirely possible that they were brought down with this same weapon.


Photo 1: A new Chinese neutron bomb

Photo 1: This photo was taken within a few hundredths of a microsecond of the detonation of the device. It was most likely taken from an airplane, but it could have been shot from a satellite. The fireball can be seen at its brightest, and a uniquely designed pattern is also very easily seen.


Photo 2: A new Chinese neutron bomb

Photo 2: This second photograph was taken approximately a millisecond after the first. The dome of the fireball can be seen, along with the specially created pattern of neutrons impacting the ground.

CHINESE NEUTRON BOMB TEST 1995-6: Samuel Cohen said he estimates the size of the fireball in the pictures to be about 200 to 300 feet across. He believes it is a good example of what to expect from a one-kiloton, low yield neutron bomb. The photos came without technical information, so Cohen and others who evaluated the pictures were unable to provide conclusive details.
[Source: Bresnahan, D., “China Test-detonates Kiloton Neutron Bomb: U.S. likely knew about surface explosion”, FREEDOM NETWORK, April 1999]


Jim Fetzer: And it’s a weapon that produces a neutron bomb effect . . .
Dr. Busby: Yes, by producing gamma rays
Jim Fetzer: . . . by combining depleted uranium with enriched uranium. And could be blended so you could create any mixture you like to achieve the type of effect, the range of blast and so forth desired.
Leuren Moret: Chris, explain to Jim and the audience what you discovered about the structure of super-thermite or thermite that was developed at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab and the similar structure in the layers, like a sandwich, of these fourth-generation nuclear weapons, and they were also developed at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab.
Dr. Busby: Well I think that you’ll have to do that. I don’t know anything about super-thermite. People have talked to me about it, but I don’t really know anything about it.
Jim Fetzer: And it’s a weapon that produces a neutron bomb effect . . .
Dr. Busby: Yes, by producing gamma rays
Jim Fetzer: . . . by combining depleted uranium with enriched uranium. And could be blended so you could create any mixture you like to achieve the type of effect, the range of blast and so forth desired.
Leuren Moret: Chris, explain to Jim and the audience what you discovered about the structure of super-thermite or thermite that was developed at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab and the similar structure in the layers, like a sandwich, of these fourth-generation nuclear weapons, and they were also developed at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab.
Dr. Busby: Well I think that you’ll have to do that. I don’t know anything about super-thermite. People have talked to me about it, but I don’t really know anything about it.


Eurasian air circulation and dispersal of depleted uranium

EURASIAN AIR CIRCULATION AND DISPERSAL Movement of air masses through contaminated regions transports the radioactive poison gas and aerosols around the world, contaminating the environment through dry and wet depositions, causing large increases globally in uranium-related diseases and chronic illnesses, infertility, and the feminization of men.
[Source: Peter Eyre, former British Naval Intelligence and Middle East oil and gas consultant]


Jim Fetzer: Well I would like for you to elaborate on that because this is a very important point. I have longed believed that it was the chemical residue that was going to tell us what was going on here.
Dr. Busby: Right. Well, from what I just said, from what Emilio Della Guidice told me, this weapon is deuterium dissolved in uranium. OK. Now if that’s the case, you’re not going to get a hundred percent fusion. I mean I’d be surprised if you got more than five percent fusion. And it could well be that you could regulate the level of fusion by regulating the gamma radioactivity of the uranium. So if you put more U235 into the mix, you might be able to increase the electron density and therefore, because of the ionization of the U235 is much more radioactive than U238, and then you might be able to regulate the percentage of the material that went to cold fusion. But I would be extremely surprised if the percentage of fusion was very high at all.
Because, if it were for me [to say], there would be all sorts of parts of this weapon that didn’t reach super-saturation. So some part of it would get this fusion reaction and it would blow the rest of it away. Just like the atom bombs. That’s why they had to put these big uranium casings on the atom bomb because the initial fission explosion would blow everything away and then the neutron density would fall down, so you would lose a lot of efficiency. And even the way in which they did it with atom bombs, they still only got about five percent fission. So there was an awful lot of wastage.
And the same here. So the wastage, of course, would lead to all that deuterium being released in the explosion as deuterium, not having been turned into anything else… like tritium and so forth and would be able to be there in the ground, see, and hence the deuterium.
Jim Fetzer: Let me pose the plausibility of the following scenario. We have firefighters who were reporting hearing ‘boom boom boom boom’. It was 110 stories and it took approximately 11 seconds to be completely destroyed, I believe we were listening to a series of explosions that were blowing out 10 floors at a time. Would that sound plausible using these types of weapons?
Dr. Busby: I really don’t know. I’m not a weapons expert. All I can say…I mean…all of this is the sort of back walk, I mean we walked away from what I know, which is that we discovered enriched uranium in Fallujah.
Jim Fetzer: Yes.
Dr. Busby: And walking back from that we then think well why is there enriched uranium in Fallujah and then we say ‘well look here, one of the possibilities is that they developed this weapon.’ And then you add all of the other stuff in and it means that maybe this weapon exists.
Jim Fetzer: Yes.
Dr. Busby: I have no idea how powerful it is, but I would suggest that it is very very powerful in terms of its size. So if you want something that’s small that somebody can walk and just stick it in the corner somewhere that has enough power to blow this building down, you know, then it’s a good bet. In other words, otherwise you’d have to take a suitcase of TNT, or maybe like, you know, suitcases that would make it more difficult…
Jim Fetzer: Oh it would be massive quantities of TNT, massive quantities… Just to mention in response to Leuren’s interest in the nano-thermite, it has less than 13 percent the explosive power of TNT.
Leuren Moret: A chemical explosive does not release enough energy to do what happened to the World Trade Center buildings, which was to nano-powder them. And they were in lower orbital space within 48 hours of the disaster. Those are very very tiny particles and I am an atmospheric dust expert. I’ve never heard of it going up into lower orbital space that fast.
Jim Fetzer: Doesn’t what Chris is describing sound very plausible conjecture, admittedly as a conjecture? But of course the crucial part of scientific reasoning is speculation, identifying hypotheses for further investigation. You know I think…
Leuren Moret: The whole key to what happened at the World Trade Center is the energy budget. How much energy was necessary to break those building materials into nano-particles? And that could not come from a chemical explosive.
And secondly, the data that Dr. Thomas Cahill reported from his air monitoring of the World Trade Center for five months beginning October 5th after 9-11 was…He’s the one that reported high levels of uranium, elevated levels of uranium in the dust that was released from the WTC, the highest concentration of fine particles ever measured in an air sample in the US and the highest concentration of metal ever measured in an air sample in the US. And also he reported deuterium, tritium, and like I said the elevated uranium levels.
Jim Fetzer: Go ahead Chris, yes.
Dr. Busby: Well, there you are. You have all those three ingredients, don’t you? The tritium, the deuterium and the uranium – yes, that’s all you need. It seems quite a plausible hypothesis.
Jim Fetzer: It does indeed and I just want to clear, Chris, about the ingredients. You have the deuterium that is a solution of uranium, or depleted uranium, powder that is diluted with deuterium, and then all you have to do is project it or impose some pressure upon it to cause it to…
Dr. Busby: That’s right. That’s how it works.
Jim Fetzer: That’s astounding! That’s just simply astonishing!
Leuren Moret: And then to add to that…to add to that, New York City is still radioactive after 9-11.
And when I started a depleted uranium Geiger counter movement in Hawaii in 2007, the police chief of New York City tried to get a law passed, he panicked because New Yorkers were contacting me and wanted to do a Geiger counter survey in New York City. And he tried to get a law passed in New York City that prohibited citizens from having or using Geiger counters or any air-monitoring instruments. It failed.
Jim Fetzer: What an arbitrary, capricious and tyrannical step to propose! I mean, that’s just stunning, Leuren. We’re talking about health hazard detection devices. They were supposed to be made illegal in New York City?
Leuren Moret: That’s right. Because as long as the government agencies are measuring the radiation levels, we’ll never get the truth. But once American citizens, or Japanese citizens or people in other countries start making the measurements themselves, then the cat is out of the bag. It’s extremely empowering and very powerful and it really pushes the military and the government up against the wall. And so it’s very important for Americans and citizens around the world to have measuring devices.
Dr. Busby just went to Japan. Tell them what happened, Chris.
Dr. Busby: Oh, well, sure. I said I wasn’t going to go very close to Fukushima because I was scared of dying, basically. So they said, “You can come 100 kilometers and we’ll get the citizens of Fukushima to come to you”, which they did.
So I went to a place called Aizuwakamatsu, and they said “Oh, the levels of radioactivity there are quite low.” Now I have a portable gamma-spectrometer. It’s really quite a sophisticated piece of kit, which I got from the East Germans – call it the Germans now – but basically I still think of them as the East Germans, in Dresden. A very very nice piece of equipment, which consisted of a germanium-scintillation counter, a two and a half inch sodium iodide detector and then a little mini-computer and stuff.
And we found in Aizu Wakumatsu, we found using a Geiger counter that there were levels of about 5.5 microsieverts per hour, which is about 5, 6, 7 times higher than background. And we set up this thing and made it the spectrum there and found enormous levels of cesium-137 and cesium-134, and also the signal appeared to show the presence of uranium-235.
And since then, I have brought that sample back to England and had it tested in another laboratory using a high-resolution camera and what this shows is that there is a signal from U235, uranium-235. And that the ratio of U238 to U235 is quite anomalous. Again, it’s very highly enriched uranium, but it’s much more highly enriched than Fallujah. As far as the signal is concerned, based on the thorium daughter isotopes, it seems that there is at least a 4 to 1 ratio of enriched U235 to U238, whereas it should be about 140 [to 1]. So there is something causing a lot of U235 and it could well be the presence of plutonium-239. Because U235 is the daughter of plutonium-239, and of course there was one of the one of the reactors at Number 3 that had MOX fuel [MOX: mixed uranium and plutonium oxide fuel] which burned and exploded and so on. So I think there is quite a lot of contamination of plutonium all over the whole area there. But of course all of this has been covered up by the Japanese authorities…
Jim Fetzer: And with complicity from the American government, it appears, and I think…
Dr. Busby: And I would say probably encouragement from the American government.
Jim Fetzer: And in part, no doubt, on behalf of the nuclear power industry because they don’t want Americans to be alarmed by the massive risks they are confronting by having these power plants distributed all over the country.
Leuren Moret: Of course, of course. There is just an absolute massive global cover-up.


Livermore Whistleblower Leuren Moret

LIVERMORE WHISTLEBLOWER: Staff Scientist Leuren Moret exposed science fraud, graft, corruption, and contractor fraud in 1991 at the Livermore nuclear weapons lab. She has traveled to 50 countries to carry out an education campaign against nuclear technologies. [Photo: courtesy of Leuren Moret 2005]


Dr. Busby: In my country in Britain, I managed to get on to the BBC right at the beginning before they figured out what was going on and I haven’t been on air since then. And there is a whole stream of people out there on television saying ‘oh, really no problem’ and ‘very low doses and nobody will be harmed’ and so forth. It’s an entire cover-up operation. It’s quite sickening.
Jim Fetzer: And I found the same with the BBC in covering research that I and others had done about 9-11. They were very adept when I’d be discussing one feature reported by photographic evidence. When they broadcast, they showed another photograph with different features and they did that in a pattern suggesting I hadn’t known what I was talking about, when in fact I had explained to them when they were here at my home, this most recent taping for four hours, the differences that were involved here, and nevertheless, they performed a sleight-of-hand during their documentaries.
Dr. Busby: How interesting. How interesting.
Jim Fetzer: I have actually published this in a piece titled “The BBC’s Instrument of 9/11 Misinformation” on Veterans Today.
But Chris I’ve got to say how much I admire what you have been doing here. This Fallujah catastrophe is going to go down as one of the great war crimes in history, comparable to the bombing of Guernica which Picasso immortalized. It is just grief inducing to hear about the consequences, and I gather, based upon your research, it is evident that this contamination is reaching around the globe, that it has the potential to effect the entire human species genetically.
Dr. Busby: Yes, that’s right. That’s right. We have measured this stuff in places like in the atomic weapons establishment in the United Kingdom. And it is not surprising at all because these particles are basically gas, and they are so small, you know, 50 nanometers, a hundred nanometers, they can’t really be considered to be solids. They are aerosols and they just behave as a gas, and they float all over the place. They float all around the globe and they contaminate everybody, so no man is an island in this case. Absolutely.
Jim Fetzer: It seems to me that between the catastrophes in Fallujah, in Iraq generally, in the Gulf of Mexico, and Fukushima that we are doing a pretty good job of contaminating our environment and making the planet uninhabitable at least for the long run for the human species because of genetic abnormalities which are going to lead to such a high percentage of deaths. And really it is going to stem the reproduction of the species. It seems to me it’s inevitable at this point in time.


SAMUEL T. COHEN, INVENTOR OF THE NEUTRON (FUSION) BOMB Sam Cohen holds up a Vatican Peace (for War) Medal for inventing the neutron bomb (for Peace), given to him by Pope John Paul I. He designed the neutron bomb with just pencil, paper and a slide rule. (Photo: San Jose Mercury News)


Dr. Busby: Well you say “we” but it’s not you or me, James. These are actual people and they’ve got names and addresses, and we’re talking about a split in the human race between the bad guys and the good guys. It’s a bit like the Lord of the Rings. There are bad guys and they do have names and ultimately I hope that they will send them to jail for a very long time.
Jim Fetzer: But the consequences, I fear, is not merely, you know, those who are responsible, but the enduring effects, which, it seems to me, are going to prove to be insurmountable, that there’s going to be no way to circumvent the consequences to the human species with respect to its capacity for reproduction based upon the genetic defects that are being induced by these calamities. It includes, of course, not just the radioactive disaster at Fukushima but also those induced by the use of Corexit in the Gulf of Mexico, and everything you have been describing in Iraq, which is horrendous by itself.
Dr. Busby: Yes, they were of course. And I can tell you one thing…that the Israelis, for example, carried out a study in Jerusalem about two years ago of sperm counts in young men. And what they found was that there was such a reduction in sperm counts [a 40% decline in sperm count/quality in last ten years] that the authors of this article, which was in a peer-reviewed journal, said that if this rate in reduction of sperm count continued at the same rate, by the time 2020, there will be no more Israelis. That will be it – finished. It will be like the Newfoundland cod.
Jim Fetzer: By the year when? How distant was their projection?
Dr. Busby: By 2020. Their project was 2020. If it continues…
Jim Fetzer: 2020!
Dr. Busby: By 2020, that would be the end of Israel.
Jim Fetzer: 2020 — and this is already 2011!
Leuren Moret: The sperm count in the last ten years has declined 40 percent in Israeli men. It was already at least 20 percent in decline because of nuclear technology, but at this rate, by 2020, just as Dr. Busby has said, basically Israeli men will be sterilized. At 20 percent sperm count, men are considered to be sterile. [See HAARETZ: “Study: Quality of Israeli sperm down 40% in past decade” by Ofri Ilani (11.05.09)
Jim Fetzer: Are we aware of what might be the specific causes of this reduction in sperm count among the Israeli …
Dr. Busby: It’s uranium. It’s the uranium. The uranium is floating all around the Middle East.
Jim Fetzer: Including, at part, perhaps their own production of weapons where they have one of the larger stock piles, the largest in the Middle East, but also a large one worldwide.
Dr. Busby: It’s the uranium in the atmosphere. It’s the uranium. That’s what it is. Its inhaled and then it goes directly into the system…
Jim Fetzer: So we’re just talking about these Israeli men as a sample of a larger population problem worldwide?
Leuren Moret: No. What happened is I have photographs during the Gaza attack of the Israeli Defense Forces [IDF] dropping 8 and 10 depleted uranium bunker busters at a time [carpet bombing with DU] along the Israeli Gaza border, which is up on the heights. There’s nobody living up there. The Gaza population lives along the ocean, the Mediterranean coastline, and the Israeli Defense Forces were deliberately bombing their own border and I have airflow charts and photographs of the wind blowing from the Mediterranean, up to the heights, and blowing all that uranium dust into Israel.


JANUARY 2009 ATTACK ON GAZA: Exploding depleted (DU) uranium bomb, with 4 incoming DU bombs just above the fireball, on the heights above Gaza at the Israeli-Gaza border. The Gaza shoreline and Mediterranean Sea are in the back-ground. The onshore winds on this day in early 2009, carried the radioactive dust and smoke over the Israeli border in minutes, exposing the Israeli population to high levels of radiation in the air, and permanent contamination of the Israeli environment – air, water, soil, and food.
[Source: “UN 2008 Report: Evidence of Global Decline In Population and Fertility”, presented by Leuren Moret, at Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Confer. Sept. 20, 2009]


Jim Fetzer: Wow. And I presume a comparable reduction in sperm count is taking place in the Palestinian population.
Leuren Moret: Actually their population is expanding. The Israeli population is shrinking.
Jim Fetzer: That’s stunning, isn’t it? Stunning!
Leuren Moret: Well, they have a lot more children than the Israelis.
Jim Fetzer: Yes, but if the sperm count was being affected on both sides, it wouldn’t be happening this way either.
Dr. Busby: The Palestinians have a lot more babies, that’s all, same percentage…doesn’t matter same effect.
Jim Fetzer: Oh, so you are suggesting they could have the lower sperm count but because of reproducing, having more children than the Israelis, which of course is a well known socioeconomic phenomenon…
Leuren Moret: Right!
Jim Fetzer: …that the higher educated, the higher socioeconomic…
Dr. Busby: Have you noticed in the West, well I don’t know about America, but I certainly know in this country that it is getting more and more difficult to have babies. I mean there is all of this technology going into IVF (in vitro fertilization) now and so forth. You know when I was young, you know, you only had to shake hands with a woman and she would be pregnant.
Jim Fetzer: (laughs)
Dr. Busby: I mean, I can tell you…
Jim Fetzer: I got it, Chris, yes. That’s great.
Dr. Busby: But nowadays its not like that. You have to get fancy doctors and have all sorts of treatments.
Jim Fetzer: Don’t you imagine it is also a function of the increased use of electronic equipment and wireless transmissions and cell phones?
Dr. Busby: Yes, I think I know about that too. If you want to start me on that one, I think we figured that one out.
Jim Fetzer: Yes, give us a few words about that before we have to part because this has been simply superb.
Dr. Busby: OK. This is how it works. All of the effects of ionizing radiation are transmitted in the body in the form of charged particle tracks and most of these are electrons. So what happens is a gamma ray is absorbed by material in the body water, in the cell, and it generates a photoelectron. So the electron is wheeling off. And it is the photoelectron that causes all of the ionization that leads to the genetic damage. So it is charged particle tracks that cause cancer. Now if you put a charged particle track in the body electric into an electric field, then the energy of the electron or the particle is absolutely added to by the electric field.
And this is how television works. You shoot an electron down a cathode ray tube and you perturb its motion by putting it an electric field or a magnetic field, so you put any body contaminated with radiation into an electro-magnetic field, the energy is transferred to the body and it is transferred to the charged particles, to the electron. So obviously what you are doing is merely increasing the impact, if you like, the momentum, of the ionizing radiation…
Leuren Moret: The energy release. Yes.
Dr. Busby: And so that…what you are doing is augmenting the ionizing radiation dose.
Jim Fetzer: Say the last part…you’re ionizing the radiation…?
Dr. Busby: You’re augmenting the radiation, you’re increasing the ionizing radiation dose. So the ionizing radiation that you would normally get in the absence of a mobile phone, so you haven’t got a mobile phone, you’re sitting in a room with all the electrons whirling around causing genetic damage, and that’s called background radiation. So then you pick up your mobile phone, you switch it on and say “Hello mum it’s me’ all right, and what happens then is quite a few milliwatts per cubic centimeter then go into your brain, and all of that energy is electromagnetic energy.
Now as far as the electron tracks are concerned, they see no difference between that and an electric field or a magnetic field. So instead of whizzing along in a straight line, [an electric field causes the electrons to] wiggle about. So they’re increasing the amount of energy they deposit in the tissue over the amount that they normally would in the absence of the mobile phone radiation. Well, this is really quite remarkable.
We tried to do research on this at the Karolinska Institute [where the Nobel prizes are awarded in Norway]. We put in an application for funding and they freaked out and they shut down my main laboratory. They got so upset about this that my colleague, Olav Johansen, who is like a world authority on this – he and I were going to do research on this and show that it is true, using all sorts of techniques, you know, Monte Carlo modeling and cloud chambers and all sorts of…
Jim Fetzer: So the greatest risk from cell phone usage may not be a form of brain cancer but rather some kind of genetic damage?
Dr. Busby: No, no, it is a form of brain cancer. That’s how cancer forms. Cancer forms because of genetic damage. You get cancer from genetic damage, so all I’m saying is that the genetic damage that you normally get from ionizing radiation increases because the ionizing radiation borrows [absorbs] energy from the electromagnetic field. That’s it. The point is what they say is that it is not possible for the electromagnetic field on its own to interact with genetic material because the quantum energy is not high enough. But that is not the point…what I say is that it is not about the quantum energy being ionized, it adds its energy to the electron [from internal exposure to ionizing radiation]…
Jim Fetzer: It’s additive. Yes yes yes, so it does that much more damage between what the body is used to and not used to, the threshold is transcended and therefore it brings about…
Dr. Busby: No, normally you get cancer because of radiation. In other words, in a year you get two millisieverts, and then over the years the millisieverts add up and when you’re 70, you get cancer. OK So, you multiply that by say 140 millisieverts and your body starts to fall apart. But if you sit there with an electromagnetic field, with a mobile phone, that just doubles it, so instead of two millisieverts in a year, you’re now getting four millisieverts in a year.
Jim Fetzer: Yes Yes. and all the concomitant effects that will bring about…
Dr. Busby: Well it just doubles your rate of cancer and it doubles your rate of aging.
Leuren Moret: It’s a multiplier effect.
Jim Fetzer: It’s a multiplier effect, not merely additive.
Dr. Busby: Yes, correct, it is a multiplier effect.
Jim Fetzer: Christopher Busby, I cannot tell you how much I admire what you have been doing and the value of your contributions is immeasurable. This has been a most important conversation, and I am so grateful you could join me. Leuren, of course, I have long admired your many contributions and I am so grateful to have the both of you here together today. So I want to profess my profound appreciation to you, Leuren Moret, and to you, Christopher Busby for the exceptional quality of your work and your contributions to humanity. I admire you both.
Leuren Moret: Well we appreciate you.
Dr. Busby: You’re welcome.
Jim Fetzer: So this is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The Real Deal” thanking my specials guests today, Christopher Busby from the UK, Leuren Moret from California, and all of you for listening.


Interview participants

Jim Fetzer, McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, is a former Marine Corps officer and the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

Leuren Moret is an independent geoscientist who has done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster, radiation problems around the world including depleted uranium.

Dr. Christopher Busby is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University of Ulster and is the co-author of reports about the effects of depleteed uranium in Iraq especially in Fallujah.




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