Dr. Chris Busby
Dr. Chris Busby
and Leuren Moret
& the Global
Friday, 3 February 2012
Real Deal" Radio Show
(February 3, 2012)
Host: Jim Fetzer: James Fetzer
Dr. Busby: Christopher Busby, Ph.D.
Leuren Moret: Leuren Moret, B.S., M.A., PhD (ABD)
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camel lies dead at the side of a road near the Saudi capital
of Riyadh. Millions of camels have very likely died from
DU and other radiation that continues to spread and precipitate
across the Middle East and Central Asia.
Dr. James Fetzer
and Leuren Moret
the past century, the American military has been transformed
into the supreme global “military cop”, in large
measure for the financial benefit of the international banking
cartel and transnational corporations.
transformation is manipulated daily by the international financiers,
also known as the Zionist Anglo-American “permanent war
crimes racketeering syndicate”, which secures mineral
resources in weaker countries and pumps vast quantities of drugs
into the global market.
in Hong Kong, the UK and China are partners in a hidden global
drug economy with 5 times more money circulating than in the
economy we know.
cost of these military adventures
since World War II, accelerated by the introduction of nuclear
weapons, has been very high and may even lead to the extinction
of our species.
million US soldiers and veterans since 1990 are medically
disabled, dying homeless in the streets of America, with little
help from the US government.
with depleted uranium and the “smog of war”, soldiers
are guaranteed a death sentence on the modern battlefield
where a new form of nuclear Kabuki warfare has been secretly
raging for more than twenty years.
global effect of the resulting nuclear pollution has been a
drastic increase in birth defects, infant mortality, and death
rates across continents, regions and mountain ranges.
stunning global decline in fertility and birth rates,
with an increase in death rates, will result in the economic
decline and loss of cultural and physical viability in countries,
where the replacement birth rate is falling and populations
levels of uranium in Los Angeles drinking water were reported,
and correlated with individual battles in the Middle East and
Afghanistan during 2006-07.
has one of the highest declines of fertility in the
world, from 8+ children per woman before Chernobyl in 1986,
to less than two children per woman by 2002, and continuing
to decline over the past decade.
astounding increase in Iranian deaths in 2006-07, was
3.6 million, a seemingly inexplained 4.7% drop in population
in a single year. In the same time period many thousands of
camels died throughout the Middle East and North Africa, 5,000
alone in Saudi Arabia and no known cause.
a catastrophic and acute phenomenon in both humans and animals
environmental cause. Forensic evidence is now emerging that
Iran has been the target of a covert nuclear war since 1990,
carried out by the US and the UK from Iraq and Afghanistan.
is not the real nuclear threat, which instead derives from the
US and Britain, who are partners in new forms of nuclear annihilation
with the world’s population downwind. Brace yourself for
what you are about to learn.
Salt Mine Storage - the Sloppy Days
This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal with a return
engagement of two simply extraordinary guests I have had in
the past. Leuren Moret, an independent geoscientist who has
done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster and radiation
problems around the world, including depleted uranium, and Dr.
Christopher Busby, a visiting biomedical studies professor at
the University of Ulster and the co-author of reports about
the effects of depleted -- but it turns out to be enriched
uranium -- in Iraq, especially in Fallujah. Our interviews about
this have been previously archived at Veterans Today,
in particular under the heading of [hour one: "Catastrophic
Effects of Radiation Contamination"
and hour two:] "New
Bombs and War Crimes in Fallujah" Leuren
and Chris welcome to the show.
Dr. Christopher Busby: Yes, hello.
Leuren Moret: Thank you.
Dr. Fetzer: I am so pleased to have you both
here today. I thought we would begin with Leuren giving us an
update on what has been going on with Occupy
Wall Street in Oakland and related issues, because it seems
as though the government is using military-type tactics and
weapons, some of which appear to be very sophisticated. Leuren,
could you bring us up to date?
L. Moret: Well in October the Homeland Security
local law enforcement, the Oakland Police Department, which
is the FBI COINTELPRO headquarters for northern California,
and even troops from Bahrain in the Middle East practiced terrorism
drills on the UC Berkeley campus. This was in October in anticipation
of the Occupy movement. And so now we know they are including
foreign troops in this too.
Occupation to “Occupy”: The Israelification of American
Domestic Security by Max Blumenthal, al-akhbar.com,
December 2, 2011].
Dr. Fetzer: That is pretty bizarre, all by
itself, Leuren, foreign troops in the United States. I think
if the American people knew that, they would be outraged.
1: ISRAEL’S ELITE SWAT TEAM WINS INTERNATIONAL URBAN SHIELD
2011 COMPETITION - For the second consecutive year since
Israel's Police elite SWAT team, the "YaMaM," has
participated in the prestigious Urban Shield counter-terror
competition in the USA, the YaMam has once again won first place.
Similar to last year's impressive win, Israel's accomplishment
remains strangely, highly under-reported. The only mention of
this impressive achievement is on the Facebook page for Israel's
police. 32 SWAT teams from the USA, the FBI and from other countries,
participated in the non-stop 48 hour competition. The competition
included counter-terror, dealing with serious crimes, hostage
retrieval, and a variety of tactical and urban combat situations.
Moret: Well people are pretty outraged here. And so then
the Occupy movement, pretty much in California, started on the
UC Davis campus which is one of the most conservative of the UC
campuses because it has an agriculture history. And now this is
really interesting, the new chancellor of UC Davis -- I have two
degrees from UC Davis -- is a Greek woman, and she was involved
in the student riots and protests in Greece, I have forgotten
when it happened, maybe the 60's or 70's. And she is extremely
conservative and she refused to even talk to the students. They
were just sitting on the sidewalks in silence and in a park, and
she ordered the UC Davis police to go down and pepper spray those
protestors, so there are these great video clips taken from cell
phones of this officer just walking up and down this line of maybe
30 or 50 students sitting with their heads down and their hands
on their laps, and he just sprayed them in the face and all over
their bodies with pepper spray. And so the Occupy movement spread
from there and we have had a lot of Occupy movement situations
going on for the last couple of weeks in Oakland, California,
which is across the San Francisco Bay from San Francisco.
Dr. Fetzer: I am sure it violates all of the
guidelines for the use of pepper spray. It is not only blatantly
unethical, abusive of the students, but I am sure it is in violation
of the law.
L. Moret: There was not even any justification
Dr. Fetzer: No justification whatsoever.
L. Moret: And so what has happened as a result
is that the police presence and police force keeps getting ramped
up with each one of these Occupy situations in different cities
and campuses. And just on the weekend, that would be the end of
January, in Oakland they arrested 400 people. And then the demonstrators
were marching through Oakland. They were going to occupy an empty
building and the police have just increased their pressure
to shut it down. And along with this is that there has been an
increase in communications disruption, telephones, Internet, computers,
with an increase in electromagnetic frequency weapons used at
all levels against everyone in various parts of the U.S. on the
Occupy movement. And this was all funded
by George Soros. The whole Occupy movement in the U.S. is
a George Soros project. And it is a continuation of the colored
and flowered revolutions that he funded in Central Asia, then
Eastern Europe, then North Africa, then the Middle East, and so
basically the United States is being overthrown right now in a
silent revolution funded by George Soros who is an agent for the
City of London bankers. The Rothschilds.
Soros Money Is Behind Occupy Wall Street Protests”
by Jim Hoft, thegatewaypundit.com, October 13, 2011, http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/reuters-soros-money-behind-occupy-wall-street-protests/]
Dr. Fetzer: Well, elaborate on that Leuren. I
mean, you know, Soros as an agent, what would the Rothschild banking
system have to benefit from the Occupy movement?
.L. Moret: Well, it is an overthrow of the U.S.
government. The North American governments. They are even doing
Occupy movements in Canada. So it is a transition. And it is a
transition from civil society and more democratic governments
to fascism. This has been underway for a long time. And Tun
Dr. Mahathir [bin Mohamad], the former prime minister of Malaysia,
who Dr. Busby has also joined with us at conferences, antiwar
conferences, organized by Dr. Mahathir in Malaysia, he told me
about George Soros and how George Soros had gone into Southeast
Asian countries and looted their economies. And he said Indonesia
was the most damaged. And he said they tried to loot Malaysia,
which Dr. Mahathir built that whole economy over his 22 year period
as prime minister of Malaysia. And he said he was able to fight
very hard and to protect most of the money in the economy. He
said they got some, but they didn't get very much. And so these
operatives, Warren Buffet is another one, they are all operating
on behalf of the international financiers. And these Soros-funded
revolutions all over Central
Asia and Eastern Europe and North Africa and the Middle East and
now North America are to destabilize governments and weaken
them so that the bankers can steal more money.
Russo “America: Freedom to Fascism (video)”
See also “Insane
McCain, Obama’s Grand Chessboard, and Russia’s Color
Revolution” by Morgan D. Rose, pakalertpress.com,
December 11, 2011, http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/12/11/insane-mccain-obama%E2%80%99s-grand-chessboard-and-russia%E2%80%99s-color-revolution/]
Fetzer: Well Leuren, let me ask a couple of rather naive
questions. It seems to me the United States has already become
a fascist police state, that signing the National
Defense Authorization Act of 2012 which subverted four or
five different articles of the Bill of Rights was like completing
a grand slam against the Constitution that was initiated by the
Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act under George W. Bush.
It seemed to me therefore that not only has Barack
Obama and most of the politicians, the Senators and Congressmen
who have been supporting all of this violated their oath, the
same oath I took as a Marine Corps officer to preserve, protect,
and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies
foreign and domestic, but that the Occupy movement has been there
to protest the growing inequalities in the distribution of wealth
between the one percent and the 99% and also to oppose these endless
wars of aggression against nations that never attacked us, including
in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, and of course the threatened
attack on Iran, which has no justification whatsoever. So it has
seemed to me that the Occupy movement was been a positive sign
of young people in this country becoming politically aware and
taking active measures to oppose the fascist police state that
is already here. So I am puzzled, you know, that your take seems
to be that the Occupy movement is a tool of fascism when it seems
to me that the Occupy movement has been a form of resistance
L. Moret: Well it appears to be a form of resistance.
That is one aspect of it. And certainly not all people participating
are bad. But, I would like you to answer a question. Why did George
Soros privately fund the Occupy movement through a private organization,
an NGO, that is almost exclusively lawyers?
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, I have no idea. Actually,
personally, I don't know that to be the case, but assuming --
L. Moret: It is the case. It is the
Dr. Fetzer: But assuming it is the case, I just
don't have an answer for that.
L. Moret: This is not a grass roots movement.
This is a Soros-funded
takeover or introduction of the police state. But I don't
want to really talk about this any more because Dr. Busby is on
the line and maybe we should move on to --
Soros Tie to Occupy Wall Street Envisions 'New Economic World
Order' no longer dominated by U.S.” by Aaron
Klein, wnd.com, http://www.wnd.com/2011/12/355477/]
Dr. Fetzer: No, I am just curious the difference
in our general takes on this because I thought the occupy movement
was a positive --
L. Moret: I don't really know that much about
it. I know who funded it. I know it is a private organization.
And it is made up of lawyers, and I know this is not originally
a grass roots movement.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, yes, yes. Well Chris, I don't
know if you feel comfortable adding your own perspective to this,
but if you do, I would be glad to have it.
Dr. Busby: Well I think the real question here
is who are the bad guys. In the last five years I have had every
single group of people named to me by different conspiracy theorists
as being the bad guys. From the Zionists to the lizards from outer
space to the Rothschilds who very commonly pop up to all sorts
of Jewish bankers. I mean there is an entire sort of spectrum
of conspiracy theories out there, and I kind of put them all on
the shelf of my mind, you know, as possible. But my main belief
is that rather than moaning about what is happening, I think the
time has come to try and do something about it. And what I think
is required here is some sort of new ideology. And I am working
with some colleagues to try and create such a thing. Because what
it seems to me is that with the fall of the Soviet Union, the
last major world ideology if you like, we now live in a sort of
a monstrous chaos situation which is just controlled by a lot
of different people who are all scrabbling for power in a system
which is dominated by money and by a sort of monster created by
an economic system. And in a sense to my mind you don't really
have to have bad guys. The system itself is the bad guy. It is
going to create the economics. Once you set up this sort of economic
system and allow it to run, it almost automatically produces a
monster. And this monster is a short term gains monster.
So you have a whole load of organizations, if you like, all connected
to each other by instant communication systems which are constantly
aimed at making more money instantly on the basis of any change
in their environment and that to me is sufficient to explain nearly
everything thing that is going on. Now in the late
1960's, obviously I am a Hippie, I come from a long -- I suspect
Leuren was one too, you know...
Dr. Fetzer: [Laughter].
Dr. Busby: Well, I am sure she was, really.
Dr. Fetzer: [More laughter]
L. Moret: I really was not a Hippie,
believe it or not.
Dr. Busby: Weren't you?
Dr. Fetzer: Should have been. Should have been!
Dr. Busby: Call it a Hippie or call it what you
like, but there was an enormous movement after the Second World
War to try and make the world into a nice place, you know. A nice,
loving place where there was sort of equitable and just system
for people to live happily. And there were a lot of very clever
people, French intellectuals and philosophers and all sorts of
psychologists and sociologists who were all trying to deconstruct
the causes of the various world wars that there were. And by and
large they succeeded, I think. Then we had this ideology that
everybody could live happily and so forth, and there were revolutions,
rather like the one you are talking about now, I guess. You know
there were more revolutions. We had them in Germany, and Europe
and in England. I was involved in the English one. But the problem
is that they actually succeeded in a way. But when they got to
the point where they succeeded, nobody knew what to put in the
place of the system that they had overthrown, intellectually and
in terms of the general feeling of people, it seems to me. And
what happened then was Reagan and Thatcher and all the bastards
all kind of struck back, and the Hippie movement was brought down
by drugs and so forth. And since then nothing really has been
there to replace it in terms of an ideology. I think that is what
is badly needed, an ideology, and I don't think it is this group
or that group or the other group, although I am sure they are
all struggling for power. And they are all bad guys, but I don't
see it in quite the same terms as Leuren. I am sure Soros
funds all sorts of people. But I am sure all sorts of people
fund all sorts of people, in the hope that they might be able
to gain something out of it. It doesn't mean to say that they
are the only bad guys around. That is my take on all of this sort
of thing, anyway, and I think it is time we started to develop
a new ideology.
Fetzer: I think that is very interesting. I myself
have been among the Republican candidates for office stunned
by Mitt Romney
Santorum who have been calling for a first strike on Iran
as though they were completely abysmally ignorant of world history.
Iran hasn't attacked another country for over 300 years. Iran
has signed the Nonproliferation Treaty. Iran has allowed inspectors
into its country. There is no actual evidence that Iran is attempting
to produce atomic weapons, indeed the Ayatollah has forbidden
Iran from developing those weapons. Not only that, but if Iran
had such a weapon it could not use it offensively without running
the risk of nuclear annihilation. In fact a representative for
the American Enterprise Institute has acknowledged that it really
isn't a question of whether Iran does or does not have nuclear
weapons but rather of Iran's influence over the Middle East.
More recently we have reports of the actual issue that concerns
the peaceful use of atomic energy that Iran is planning to develop
the nuclear energy rods that are needed to run the reactors
and that they have the potential to undercut the American nuclear
energy industry and thereby cut into their profits, perhaps
even put them out of business. And that that is really what
is going on. But it actually is all a charade. That the nuclear
weapon issue is simply a complete smoke screen and if anyone
cared about nuclear weapons in the Middle East they ought to
be concerned about Israel, which has 200 to 600 of these little
beauties. It has never signed the Non-proliferation Treaty.
Won't allow inspectors into its country. Where if Israel or
the United States were to attack Iran, estimates have it that
there would be a million deaths of Iranians outright, and that
as the contamination clouds spread over Afghanistan, Pakistan,
and India, there would be a minimum of 35 million more additional
premature deaths, and indeed by some estimates, and I think
the two of you are very well positioned to comment on this,
by the estimates since there are some 80 of these different
sites developing nuclear energy in Iran, that the results, the
contamination should be so catastrophic, including Strontium
90, that it has the potential to spread worldwide and risk the
extinction of the human species.
Dr. Chris Busby: Well I think we are well on
the way to that already, to be honest, without having to attack
Iran. I mean at the moment we have the dissemination of radionuclides
from Fukushima and from Chernobyl
and from the weapons used in the Middle East, and the evidence
is that this is already having an effect on human fertility
and obviously therefore also the fertility of living systems.
I am not sanguine about the future of the human race even now.
But of course if they attack Iran, and I am sure that they would
be using nuclear weapons to do so, and so it won't be just whatever
it is they bomb in Iran, it will be the releases from the nuclear
weapons themselves. And those of course will go all over the
globe. We know from the weapons fallout in the 1960's what effect
that has, and that has been the cause of the current cancer
epidemic. And so, well, what can I say. I mean these are resource
wars fundamentally. I mean all of these invasions of the Middle
East by the United States and allies, but mainly the United
Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment
(pdf), By A Yablokov, V.B. Nesterenko, A.V. Nesterenko,
J. Sherman; http://www.strahlentelex.de/Yablokov%20Chernobyl%20book.pdf]
L. Moret: And England!
Dr. Busby: -- Well, yes of course and England,
but [these invasions] have been to control the resources of
the Middle East. I think that is mainly what is -- and of course
not only the resources of the Middle East, but the distribution
of the resources of the Middle East using different types of
money. Because one of the main problems going back to Saddam
Hussein and then later on to Gaddafi
was the decision by those people to move their financial systems
into the Euro and in the case of Gaddafi into gold to create
the Arab dinar.
And so of course that would have undercut the dollar as a world
trade currency, and the dollar as a world trade currency is
the only way that the United States can survive. Because as
long as that trade system exists, the dollars can just be created.
They can just print them. But of course, you know, if they sell
you the oil in the United States and they say, "Oh look,
sorry mate but we want to have gold dinars," or "We
want to have Euros for this, then you are in trouble because
you don't have them."
L. Moret: I would like to make a comment too.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: Did you want to say something Jim?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, I just wanted to say that
I wanted to stay for the moment in the Middle East, however,
and then, during the next segment we will turn to Japan. But
please do add what you would like to say.
L. Moret: Well during all the military adventures
of the British Empire in the 1700's and 1800's they were, as
everyone knows, all over the world and involved in India and
China and so forth and so on. And all that militarism nearly
bankrupted the British government. What has happened now in
the 20th and 21st centuries is that the
baton for militarism has been passed on from the British to
the U.S. We are the military cop and the military
bully for England now, the British Empire, and in Iraq and Afghanistan
and also Yugoslavia, the United States sent many, many, many
soldiers and funded all these military ventures. We have two
million medically disabled American soldiers. I live in Berkeley
California. They are living in the streets. They are dying next
to the sidewalk behind bushes. They are dying in the parks.
The VA has done almost nothing for them. And recently it came
out that the government of China has now made an agreement or
contracts or whatever to secure much of the oil reserves in
Iraq. So could you please tell me how the U.S. benefited from
invading Afghanistan to protect the
British and their opium crops and to secure the oil for
China which the London bankers are pumping now, and dumping
the western economies, and I would just like to know what we
got besides all the bills for all that militarism. And the wars
are not over. The Navy is developing much more horrific electromagnetic
rail guns to plunder more countries of their resources, mostly
for the British and for corporations, international corporations.
And I just think that we have to look at who is behind this
global agenda. It is not just a few bad guys. It is financiers
and corporations. And why are so many of our pension funds,
university pension funds and investment portfolios, retirement
pension funds, this is not just in the U.S., it is Canada too,
and government pension funds are invested in the U.S. war machine.
250 American war corporations are much of the investment, much
of the funds, retired government pension funds for Canadian
government and the national government and for the different
regions and provinces are invested in American war corporations.
you follow the money you don't know what you are talking
about. And I am not talking about the two of you.
Century to Regime Change From Hawaii to Iraq by
Stephen Kinzer, http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805078614,
Inc.; Britain's Opium War Against the U.S., http://www.whale.to/b/dopeinc.html,
Grand Chessboard: American Primacy And Its Geostrategic Imperatives
by Zbiegnew Brzezinski (1998), http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Chessboard-American-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329165856&sr=8-1]
Dr. Fetzer: [Laughter].
L. Moret: I mean me too. But until I started
investigating nuclear weapons and the nuclear weapons program
I had no idea about anything, any agenda, any bad guys, any
politics, I could not care less. All I wanted to do was go on
field trips all over the world. And when I started following
the trail of the nuclear weapons it took ten years, Jim. And
it took me to London and Wall Street. It is the international
financiers that weapons of mass destruction exist for. And they
have been created so that they can loot
the world of
Mineral Corporation; http://www.eurasianminerals.com/s/Home.asp]
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren those are all excellent
points. We have to take our first break. This is Jim Fetzer,
your host on the Real Deal with my special guests today Leuren
Moret and Dr. Christopher Busby. We will be right back.
Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer your host on the Real Deal
continuing my conversation with Leuren Moret, an independent
geoscientist, who has done especially expert studies on Fukushima,
and Dr. Christopher Busby, a visiting biomedical studies professor
at the University of Ulster, who has done brilliant research
on the effects of enriched uranium, it turns out in Iraq, especially
in Fallujah. Leuren I think you were making some simply excellent
points. I would just like to add that it also stuns me
that these candidates for the Republican nomination are also
abysmally ignorant of the history of international law where
treaties into which the United States has entered in relation
to the Constitution have the same status under the law as the
Constitution itself and these extend as far back as the Hague
Convention of 1899. the Kellogg-Briand
Peace Treaty of 1928, and even the United Nations Charter
which obligate member nations to negotiate with other nations
and not to resort to military force, with the only exception
is when they confront an imminent threat. There is no imminent
threat posed by Iran, just as there was no imminent threat posed
by Iraq or Afghanistan, much less Libya where NATO was the intermediary,
all of which has disgusted me in the extreme. But for these
people to offer themselves as candidates to become President
of the United States, when they don't know history and they
don't know international law is simply appalling. I mean they
are actually talking about first strikes that would be in violation
of the Constitution for which they are hoping to assume an office
that would commit them to an oath to preserve, protect and defend.
To me it is all about as absurd a form of political theater
as one could imagine.
L. Moret: Well just look at Newt
Gingrich. He can't even be faithful to his wives. Not just
one wife. [Laughter]. So if people take an oath of office and
they can't even keep their own family dynamics straight then
how in the world could you ever trust them? I mean that is just
politicians. But, another thing that I wanted to comment about
is, oh gosh, now I forgot, wait a minute.
Dr. Fetzer: It will come back. It will come
back. Chris, let me ask you this. I think we have, of course,
based upon your research a dramatic reduction in normal births
in Iraq. As I recall the statistics are like a fourth of Iraqi
pregnancies end in still births, and of the live births, three
quarters are suffering from severe genetic defects. And of course
those genetic defects are going to remain in the genome of the
Iraqi people indefinitely. I mean you know how are we ever going
to overcome this problem?
Dr. Busby: Well it is not indefinitely. I mean
what happens is that once the signal has run out of the genome,
which is does following any person who does not have any child
before they die, I mean that is basically how it works, then
I suppose it will kind of recover. But it will be quite a long
time. I mean from what we see from the studies that have been
done after Chernobyl on mice and voles,
there will be at least twenty two generations where these signals
have maintained themselves. So it does seem as if there is going
to be quite a lot of genetic damage manifested in those populations
for quite a long time. And of course that is some kind of war
L. Moret: It is irreversible.
Dr. Fetzer: Chris has explained that it may
be something from which recovery is possible after a vast number,
in this case of mice, twenty two generations, Leuren, so--
L. Moret: Well, Muller
did early, early genetic studies before 1920 on Drosophila
melanogaster which is the fruit fly. He exposed males
to X-rays and then studied --because it is such a short reproductive
cycle and you can get so many generations over a very short
period of time -- even before 1920 he had proved that these
mutations caused by ionizing radiation are permanent, in the
genome, and they never reverse themselves. He won the Nobel
Prize in 1946 for that work. It is irreversible. It is permanent,
and there is no way it is going to mend itself.
4: INCREASE OF BIRTH DEFECTS IN BELARUS (1988-1996) Early
studies during bomb testing indicated that for each visible birth
defect in fetuses exposed to ionizing radiation, ten internal
defects occurred. When sperm or ovum carry mutations, the mutations
are expressed in every cell of the new organism, and passed on
to all future generations as permanent genetic damage. (Atomic
Radiation and Life Rev.Edit. by P. Alexander (1965) Penguin Books.
Information bulletin of the population health in 18 contaminated
territories and medical help to liquidators of the Chernobyl consequences
in 1985-1996, Department of Health and Medical Industry of the
Tula Region, Tula, 1997 (in Russian).
Fetzer: Well Chris, are you alluding to that portion
of the population that may not have been so exposed or do you
believe actually even in regard to the --
Dr. Busby: I think that everybody was exposed.
But from what we know about genomic
instability, and I am not talking about the genetic effects that
Muller was studying, what we now know is that there is a random
signal which is associated with what is called genomic instability.
And this signal controls sort of random mutation in the descendants,
in any individual that carries this signal. But actually not all
individuals are set up to do this. So there does seem to be a
proportion of any population which appears to be immune from this
process and that the cells which are or would be affected by this
process actually just die. So there seems to have been some kind
of fork in evolution which has resulted in two types of individuals
and two types of cells, too. The cell that when it receives damage
just commits suicide and then the other sort of cell which when
it receives damage switches on this genomic instability signal.
So that is kind of what I am talking about. So there probably
will be a proportion of this population who will have been exposed
but will not manifest this signal in the same way as the others,
or even at all.
Dr. Fetzer: If you are talking about 22 generations,
and if we measured a generation in terms of, say, an early reproductive
cycle, roughly 20 years, you are talking about 440 years.
Dr. Busby: Of course, yes, sure. I mean you know
it is a very long time. So it is nothing that we should rejoice
about. But I am just saying what seems to be the evidence of the
Dr. Fetzer: The prospect that the human species
is going to have extinguished itself long before there is genetic
recovery in Iraq seems to me to be overwhelming.
Dr. Busby: I tell you I have just finished off
a book about Fukushima, and in this book, which is in Japanese
actually, I was writing with a Japanese woman, what we considered
was the population of Belarus. Now if you look at the population
of Belarus, after the Chernobyl accident there was an instant
drop in the birth rate. It went down and down and down and down.
And at the same time, at exactly the same point, the death rate
went up and up and up and up and up. And about five years after
the Chernobyl accident these two crossed each other and so if
you divide the death rate by the birth rate or the birth rate
by death rate you get sort of a demographic index which you can
also plot. And what this shows is a loss of a number of people
enabling replacement of the population. And when you get below
a certain level, you just do not get population replacement. And
that is what we see in Belarus and we see it in a lot of other
countries affected by the Soviet Union. And we will certainly
see it in Japan. And I think generally the way things are going,
with the contamination of the biosphere by radionuclides from
all sorts of sources, we are going to see this generally on the
planet. And this is extraordinarily worrying.
5: CHERNOBYL BIRTH RATES AND DEATH RATES (1985-95) Belarus
birth rate and death rate in the Tula region (1985-1995): all
districts, 18 contaminated areas and 7 clean districts. Source:
Information bulletin of the population health in 18 contaminated
territories and medical help to liquidators of the Chernobyl
consequences in 1985-1996, Department of Health and Medical
Industry of the Tula Region, Tula, 1997 (in Russian).
Fetzer: Chris, just for clarification, now as the replacement
rate drops, you have a shrinking population. Now in relation to
that shrinking population is it still the case that the replacement
rate is going to lead to increasing shrinkage?
Dr. Busby: Well it certainly seems to be the
case in Belarus when you look at it so far. And of course, you
know, it is obvious just from mathematics that the fewer people
you have to breed, the fewer children there will be, and therefore
the fewer children there will be to breed and so on. I mean this
is what we see in the Newfoundland cod, you know. If you reduce
the population to a certain point, it cannot recover.
Dr. Fetzer: And we are talking about large scale
Dr. Busby: We certainly are. In Belarus, we are
talking about an entire country. And I have seen similar effects
when you look at the demographic index of the Baltic states where
a lot of radioactivity came. I mean I haven't studied it extensively,
but theoretically it is quite predictable that this effect is
happening all over the globe. Of course the people who want to
make loads of money would like to see this because there has been
an enormous Malthusian expansion in population and people have
been endlessly moaning about the fact that there are limits to
the amount of food that can be produced and the amount of energy
that is necessary to keep these people sustained and so on.
Dr. Fetzer: The carrying capacity.
Dr. Busby. So you could argue that if there were
bad guys up there at the top, you know, and they had some kind
of plan, then that plan might well include the extinction
of a large proportion of the human race using some sort of
chemical weapons. And of course that is another conspiracy theory
that we read all over the place on the Internet.
Dr. Fetzer: But Chris, it seems as though this
phenomenon is clearly going to take place in the Middle East.
Dr. Busby: Yes, I think so.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course in Japan, where I want
to invite Leuren's comments, but she had previously observed,
and I believe you two had confirmed, that in Israel itself that
the replacement rate is not being fulfilled, and therefore that
Israel is also destined for extinction.
Dr. Busby: That is right. Yes. That was pointed
out following a
study that was done in Jerusalem of sperm counts. But you
have to consider, I mean the state of Israel to some extent, they
would be very concerned about the Arab population because of just
human behavior. Because the Arabs breed at a faster rate than
the Israelis, so ultimately they would breed their way to democratic
success. So any mechanism that would kill them off would be something
that somebody might embrace, you know, if they were a bad guy,
and they wanted to -- .
Dr. Fetzer: We are talking about "K
selection and r selection."
Dr. Busby: Yes, sure, sure, sure. Anyway, you
know, all of this is very sad, but all of it is very real as well.
And I think that we need to -- well, I don't know what we need
to do -- but we need certainly to communicate with the powerful
and the rich, and the people who might well be in charge of trying
to change the world in the way that Leuren is talking, to communicate
with them that they actually are not going to survive either.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
Dr. Busby: That there is no way that they can
cut themselves off from these effects.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes. I think that is part of their
stupidity. They are simply so ignorant of ecology and evolution
Chris that they do not understand that the consequences they are
inducing on the subpopulations are going to affect the entire
Dr. Busby: That's right.
L. Moret: I would just like to make a comment
about for instance the Rothschilds who are the London bankers,
and they certainly have a global grip on economics, but since
the 1700's, since Mayer
Amschel Rothschild ordered his children to marry their first
cousins in order to keep the money in the family, why is anyone
presuming these are sane people? They are not. They have inbred
in their own family for many, many generations. 250 years. 260
years. So we are talking about people who -- they don't have mental
faculties like we do. They are different. They are not like us.
Dr. Fetzer: But Leuren, I might grant all of
that. It is also true of the Mitt
Romneys and the Rick
Santorums. Rick Santorum is such a lunatic he doesn't even
believe in contraception, so here is a man who is one at the same
time avowedly pro-life, he won't even allow abortion or permit
it in the case of rape or incest, although apparently in his own
family his wife confronted a birth that was going to cost her
life, and they decided to go ahead with an abortion, but he wants
to curtail the use of contraceptives, sex education, birth control,
which of course is going to bring more unwanted children into
the world and therefore increase the rate of abortion. I mean
these people, their views are completely incoherent.
L. Moret: He is not going to get elected. Obama
is going to get selected.
Dr. Fetzer: Well the point I am making Leuren
is even some of our prominent political figures, these are two
of the four remaining candidates for President of the United States
on the Republican side are insane. That they have views
that are not rational. That they are completely detached from
reality. Some like Santorum's in particular are incoherent. He
does not have a consistent set of beliefs.
L. Moret: Well do you know what
Fidel Castro said last week? He said, "These are the
craziest candidates, this is the most disgusting street theater
I have ever seen. It is not an election, it is a nightmare."
Dr. Busby: Can I say something? Do we really
believe that these people, all these nutcases that eventually
get into office, do we believe that they really are the people
who make the decisions? I mean, surely it is not them at all.
They are just puppets. They are people who are chosen because
they appeal to all the lunatics who vote for them, and so somebody
goes along and figures out what level of lunatic is necessary
to get the right sort of vote, and then they just provide the
candidate to appeal to that set of lunatics. You know how it works.
Dr. Fetzer: What a terrible commentary on the
state of politics. I mean we used to have responsible
figures who were running for high office.
Dr. Busby: Oh come on. Ronald Reagan -- you're
Dr. Fetzer: I am going all the way back to Franklin
Delano Roosevelt and JFK. Yeah, Ronald Reagan, I know. Reagan's
presidency actually represented the turning point in American
political history, Chris, because it was up until Reagan and since
World War II that there had been a gradual diminution in the gap
between the rich and the poor. You know, more and more equality.
The labor unions were becoming strong. There was a very healthy
middle class. America was a prosperous, productive, manufacturing
and industrial center. And since Reagan all that has been reversed.
The gaps have been growing wider, and when we have NAFTA and the
WTO, all the jobs have gone worldwide with this globalization.
And the United States, the middle class is --
Dr. Busby: I think it was perfectly clear to
us in England, and it was certainly clear to me, that when Reagan
appeared on the scene it was just Hollywood, you know. That what
was being done there was just create a person, choose a person
who was handsome and would appeal to the American people in some
way, and then they would vote for him, and whoever was pulling
his strings behind the scenes would have power. And that was that.
L. Moret: It was Henry Kissinger, and the Rockefellers
put Henry Kissinger in.
Dr. Busby: OK, OK, well, whoever, but anyway,
that is the point, and all this discussion now about these lunatics
who are standing at the moment, it is just more of the same, really.
Dr. Fetzer: [Laughter]
L. Moret: But the point is that its the Rockefellers
who backed the candidates in every election, and they duped the
American public into voting for Democrats that get set up with
them, so they jump to Republicans in the next election, back and
Dr. Busby: I am sure you are right, I'm sure
you are right on that.
L. Moret: And every time the Rockefellers get
reelected in reality with no change.
Dr. Fetzer: So Leuren, let me ask you the following
question, I mean, my impression has long been that the Rockefellers
are on one side, and the Rothschilds are on another. So I mean
L. Moret: They are on the same side.
Dr. Fetzer: Oh, I see.
L. Moret: The Rockefellers work for the Rothschilds.
Dr. Busby: I think they are all the same people,
L. Moret: They are all the same people. But I
want to talk about Iran. That is what I was trying to talk about
that I forgot.
Dr. Fetzer: OK.
L. Moret: And what I discovered when I was writing
a war crimes complaint for the Malaysia war crimes conference
is I started looking at Iran, and I looked at the demographics.
And what I found was astounding. The Iranian fertility rate in
women was over eight children per woman before Chernobyl in 1986.
And one year after Chernobyl the fertility rate for the country
of Iran had dropped by one child to seven children per woman.
By 2002 the fertility rate had dropped to two children per woman.
And by 2007 the fertility rate had dropped below one child per
6: CATASTROPHIC DECLINE IN FERTILITY RATES IN IRAN (1986-2002)
The decline in fertility rates in Iran began after 1986
following the Chernobyl disaster. The rate of decline in fertility
is linked globally to environmental deposition of radioactive
pollution, and depends on geography and weather. Clearly this
UN graph of global fertility rates (1950-2050) [black on white]
demonstrates that fertility rates in Iran [colored lines 1970-2002]
have declined from the highest in the world before Chernobyl,
to nearly the lowest in the world (Gilan Province and total
rate for Iran) in the short period of 22 years . The decline
in Iranian fertility rates reported by province [in color] are
highest in provinces with higher precipitation (Gilan Province),
and lowest in the driest regions of Iran (Sistan and Baluchistan).
The effects of US and UK nuclear weapons used in Iraq since
1990, and Afghanistan since 2001, have clearly caused an undeclared
catastrophic nuclear war against Iran. Source: World changes
in fertility graph – UN Report “World Population
Prospects: The 2008 Revision”. Iranian Fertility Rates:
M.J. Abbasi-Shavazi, multiple research papers.
L. Moret: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: So over that period of time they
went from greatly greater than the replacement rate for the population
to something marginally below the replacement rate. That's
L. Moret: And not only that -- this is from the
and then as soon as I started printing these out the site was
blocked so I couldn't get anything, but I do have what I printed
out then. And then between 2006 and 2007 the Iranian population
was about 68.8 million in 2004. And in one year it dropped from
2006 to 2007 from 68.8 million to 65.2 million.
Dr. Fetzer: Really.
L. Moret: That is a catastrophic drop.
Dr. Fetzer:They must have noticed 3 million plus
deaths in Iran. They had to notice that.
L. Moret: That is a very, very, very dramatic
decline in one year, and what is interesting in that same year,
2006 to 2007, five million camels died all over the Middle East
and Central Asia.
Dr. Fetzer: Five million camels!
L. Moret: Five million. Just in Saudi Arabia
alone. There were more millions all over Central Asia and the
Dr. Fetzer: What is the normal number of camel
deaths per year, do you have an idea? That sounds like a staggering
L. Moret: Well it goes with the extermination
of people and the increases in infant deaths and the decline in
fertility. The death rates increased. They started in 2006. The
death rates started increasing in Iran. And then I started realizing,
I started gathering a lot of information, like where are the dust
clouds concentrated in Iran. They are over the Alborz
and the Zagros
mountains. The Alborz Mountains go east-west at the southern end
of the Caspian Sea, and the [Zagros] go north-south on the border
of Iran with Iraq. That is where the snowfall and the rainfall
is the highest. That is where all the water comes from for Iran.
And I realized when I started following monsoons in that area,
that region, and also I was just kind of investigating the geography
and the weather, and I realized that Iran has been targeted with
an intense nuclear war. Much more intense than in Iraq and Afghanistan
since 1990 because Iran is getting clobbered with radiation from
Afghanistan, from the war in Yugoslavia, and from Iraq. And they
are getting more than Iraq and Afghanistan. They are
just having catastrophic death rates. A catastrophic decline in
fertility. They are below the replacement population needed now.
And we have been carrying out -- the British and the U.S.-- a
nuclear war against Iran without anyone even knowing it.
7: DUST STORMS AND RADIATION CONCENTRATION IN IRAN: July
5, 2009, satellite image (left) of the largest dust storm in
memory in Iraq, spread to Saudi Arabia and Iran. High summer
temperatures and the shamal (northwest seasonal wind) caused
the dust storm to rage in the Middle East for a week. On the
right the Ozone Monitoring Instrument (OMI) on NASA’s
Aura satellite, measured the aerosol absorption optical depth
of the dust. The darkest brown areas represent the highest dust
and depleted uranium concentrations in Iran, and the highest
radiation contamination levels of the environment and water
sources. In the image on the left, the SE Asian Monsoon moving
west over Afghanistan and Pakistan from India, rained out depleted
uranium over northern Iran. Source: Images – NASA,
and Leuren Moret’s Kuala Lumpur War Crimes complaint for
Fetzer: Well that is staggering, and I take it what
you are implying is that the weather, the rain, is bringing
all the contaminants out of the atmosphere into the water that
is the source for the Iranian population, and that is the mechanism
by which this is taking place.
L. Moret: You are exactly right.
Dr. Fetzer: Chris, tell me, now I am not familiar
enough with the geography here to locate Chernobyl in relation
to Iran, but would all those things that Leuren has been describing,
which sound quite catastrophic, be probable consequences of
the Chernobyl disaster, or of course she is adding contributing
causes from the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean this sounds
quite stunning and appalling.
Dr. Busby: There was one plume that went from
Chernobyl south and got down over Greece and northern Turkey,
and I suppose it would have contaminated the mountains there
L. Moret: Well the fertility rate --
Dr. Fetzer: Hang on Leuren. Let Chris --.
Dr. Busby: What I did notice is if you look
at the mortality statistics, there does appear to be a sharp
increase in infant mortality in
many countries in Europe in 1991 which is kind of unexplained.
And I think perhaps that was caused by the First Gulf War. I
think that is a reasonable explanation for it. And it is certainly
true also that material from the first Gulf War was measured
in the northern part of Iraq in the mountains of Kurdistan.
I mean I met some Germans who were doing measurements of uranium
on autopsy material from cows in the northern part of Iraq.
So I think an awful lot of them -- if you look at the weather
patterns, an awful lot of the material from Iraq does go north
into the mountains there and would therefore end up being rained,
being washed down into Iran, and of course Iran is only just
across the river from Iraq. So you know anything that is being
produced in southern Iraq around about Basra and on the border
you know would have drifted across the Euphrates and the Shatt
al-Arab waterway into Iran.
Fetzer: So what do you think is the explanation for
the diminishing reproduction rate in Europe?
Dr. Busby: Well, the same thing. Yes, sure.
The same thing. I mean certainly in Belarus it began almost
immediately after Chernobyl. And it is sort of like a double
bump. And in other parts of Europe there was an infant mortality
increase in 1991. And that is quite difficult to explain on
the basis of Chernobyl. I mean I have tried to explain it. I
have thought of all the various possible mechanisms. But it
doesn't really seem to follow the Chernobyl stuff. It is more
likely something that happened in 1991. And of course we know
what happened in 1991. There was an enormous distribution of
radioactivity from all of the anti-tank weaponry that was used
Dr. Fetzer: We have got to take our next break.
This is Jim Fetzer your host on The Real Deal with my very special
guests today Leuren Moret and Dr. Christopher Busby. We will
be right back.
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Jim Fetzer: James Fetzer Ph.D.
Dr. Busby: Christopher Busby, Ph.D.
Leuren Moret: Leuren Moret, B.S., M.A., PhD (ABD)
Note: This transcription was prepared by William B.
Fox, Publisher, America First Books, who also helped organize
this interview. Let me add a special note of appreciation to
Leuren Moret, who has done a brilliant job of providing the
photos and graphs that accompany Part 1 and Part 2, which have
substantially enhanced the presentation of the stunning information
provided by her and Christopher Busby during this historic interview.
They both deserve our highest praise and commendation.
Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The
Real Deal”, continuing my conversation with Leuren Moret,
an independent geoscientist, who has done expert studies on
Fukushima among her other research efforts, and Dr. Christopher
Busby, visiting Biomedical Studies Professor at the University
of Ulster, expert on the effects on what turns out to be enriched
uranium in Iraq, and who has authored a new book in Japanese
about the Fukushima disaster. Leuren, I know you have a number
of things you would like to say.
Moret: Yes, in 2009 I was invited to my second War
Crimes Conference in Malaysia by Tun Dr. Mahathir [former Prime
Minister of Malaysia], and Chris was there in 2007. He did an
wonderful presentation. And my presentation in 2009 was
2008 Report Evidence of Global Decline in Population and Fertility."
I put up two United Nations [UN] diagrams [Fig. 8, 10] from
that report – their [UN] own report – that demonstrated
that since 1986 all countries in the world, all regions in the
world, have had declining populations and declining fertility.
was a quite shocking thing to present because a lot of people
said “Well the UN said we have an expanding over-population…”
their [UN] own report, their own data is very shocking, because
they are saying that all these regions and countries had declining
fertility and population, and it’s their own data. And
what was more surprising to me more than anything, is that it
is the most developed nations that have had the greatest decline
in population and fertility. [It is] much greater than in the
less-developed regions [note absence of nuclear power], or even
the world average.
8: AVERAGE ANNUAL RATE OF POPULATION CHANGE FOR MAJOR DEVELOPMENT
GROUPS, 1950-2050. Population change globally has been negative,
since the end of nuclear bomb testing in 1963. The rate of change
(slope of the curve) is similar for all regions, indicating
a common cause. Environmental nuclear pollution as the cause,
is indicated by a further decline in population and fertility
(Fig. 10) with the introduction of each new nuclear technology:
atmospheric testing (1952-63), nuclear power plants (1960’s-present),
Chernobyl (1986), depleted uranium and exotic nuclear weapons
(1990 to present), and the now emerging effects of the Fukushima
disaster (2011) equivalent to at least 300 Chernobyl disasters.
Source: UN Report: “World
Population Prospects: The 2008 Revision – Highlights”,
9: CONTRADICTORY WORLD POPULATION GROWTH ACCORDING TO WORLD
RESOURCES INSTITUTE AND UN. The World Resources Institute
was established in 1982 to promote their version of “sustainability”,
and is funded by the World Bank and other global banking institutions.
Many foundations also provide funding, such as the Rockefeller
Foundation, Open Society Institute (George Soros), and CIA linked
foundations. Partnerships with Goldman-Sachs, Wal-Mart, Wells
Fargo Bank, wealthy individuals, and oil companies, provide
further funding. The Board of Directors includes the “global
salesmen” for the NWO agenda (such as Al Gore and nuclear
energy). The World Resources Institute clearly has a NWO agenda
promoting overpopulation, depopulation, nuclear power, climate
change etc. that benefits the interests of the global ruling
elite. Source: World
10: TOTAL FERTILITY TRAJECTORIES FOR THE WORLD AND THE MAJOR
DEVELOPMENT GROUPS, 1950-2050. This UN data indicates that
global Fertility began a catastrophic decline following the
Partial Test Ban Treaty (1963), that ended a decade of US/UK/Soviet
atmospheric tests. The decline in fertility accelerated after
Chernobyl (1986), and further declined with the introduction
of depleted uranium and exotic nuclear weapons during the Iraq
Wars (1990-2000). The genocidal and indiscriminate global impact
of the 2011 Fukushima disaster, on global fertility and population
numbers, is unknown, will be much greater than the known impact
of previous nuclear pollution levels. Source: UN Report:
Population Prospects: The 2008 Revision – Highlights”,
Fetzer: Could that be because the reproduction rate
is of a smaller number of children per family rather than the
more rapid rate we find in less developed countries.
L. Moret: Well look at where the nuclear power
plants are. They are in all the superpower nations almost. Japan,
the U.S., Canada, Europe…
11: GLOBAL NUCLEAR POWER INSTALLATIONS Nuclear power is
controlled by the City of London bankers and promoted through
corruption and deception, as the cheapest form of electricity
and a solution to global warming. In reality it is the most
expensive form of electricity, subsidized by governments and
taxes, and it is the greatest emitter of greenhouse gases if
the full cycle emissions are included. The impact on global
public health and the health of the environment is at a cost
the global community and environment cannot afford. Source:
“The Madness of Nuclear Energy”, The Ecologist 29/7
(November 1999), back cover.
Fetzer: So it is part of the contamination that goes
with any kind of commitment to nuclear energy.
L. Moret: Right.
Dr. Fetzer: Which means nuclear energy is inherently
hazardous, and really ought to have been avoided, if these countries
had been sophisticated enough to resist the lobbying by industries
that wanted to make money – regardless of the consequences
for the health and welfare of the surrounding population.
L. Moret: Well the other thing that you can
see from these two U.N. graphs [Fig. 8, 10] is that there was
a profound impact following nuclear bomb testing and there was
a further decline, a very sharp decline, following Chernobyl
and then you can see even the conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan,
and Yugoslavia contributed more. So it has got to be
an environmental cause, since it is happening globally, and
the slope of the curves of the decline are the same for all
of the regions except for the superpowers, which were lower
to begin with. So they did not have such a sharp decline. But
the rate of decline is the same almost globally. That is environmental.
Dr. Fetzer: Chris, would you like to add to
Dr. Christopher Busby: Well, I think that one
of the causes of this has been, that around about 1986, you
started to get babies being born to women and men who were born
during the peak of the weapons fallout.
we know from studies that were done, that those children born
between 1959 and 1964, had very much higher levels of Strontium
90 and uranium in their bone. And so they would have suffered
genetic damage as a result of their exposure in the 60's. Then
of course when they came to the 1980's and started to have children,
those would have been F1 [Fallout 1] children and they would
have had a much higher rate of death in the womb.
we know that is the case from studies that were done by Professor
[K. G.] Luning in Sweden in 1963, published in Nature.
What Luning did was, he injected male mice with Strontium 90,
and then mated them immediately to females. And then those females
were allowed to have babies. The babies were then brought semi-halfway
to term, and then the mice were sacrificed. And they investigated
the number of fetal deaths. And they found there was a significant
increase in fetal deaths in the mothers who had been mated to
the male mice that had been injected with Strontium 90, [but]
interestingly not with Cesium 137, nor the control. So we would
expect to have an increase in fetal death in the women who were
born around about 1963. I suppose that was a peak. That of course
is in agreement with what Leuren is talking about, and what
we see after Chernobyl. And of course Chernobyl also would have
had these effects. But certainly it is not just the Chernobyl
effect. And this would also fit in with the Northern Hemisphere
having the highest loss in fertility or the biggest effect.
Because, that is where all the weapons-testing was done.
you look at maps of global weapons fallout exposure from the
big testing, most of it was in the Northern Hemisphere. And
the really big testing was in Novaya
Zemlya, in Russia, in the Soviet Union. And that contaminated…
the big megaton tests contaminated the Northern Hemisphere much
more than the Southern Hemisphere. So that all kind of fits,
really. I think it is the radiation.
12: ATMOSPHERIC WEAPONS TESTING FALLOUT 1952-63 The radiation
fallout map from “Under The Cloud: The Decades of Nuclear
Testing”, illustrates the effects of 1200 nuclear weapons
tests conducted at the Nevada Test Site. The U.S. Government
admitted in November, 2002, that every person living in the
United States between 1958 and 1963 was exposed to fallout from
nuclear weapons testing. The United States now has an epidemic
of radiation related diseases: cancer, heart disease, autism,
diabetes, Parkinson’s Disease, Lou Gehrigs (ALS), asthma,
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, hypothyroidism in newborns, obesity,
and learning disabilities. One out of 12 children in the United
States is disabled. Source: R. L. Miller, “Under
The Cloud: The Decades of Nuclear Testing” (1991). D.V.Conn
“U.S. Counts one in 12 children disabled”, Washington
Post (6 July 2002).
13: U.S.A. NEWBORN DETERIORATION IN THE NUCLEAR AGE, 1945-1996.
The decline in infant mortality in 1935 continued to fall
due to improved prenatal care and better education of pregnant
mothers. The era of nuclear bomb testing which began in 1947,
caused a large increase in infant mortality, estimated by Dr.
Ernest Sternglass to be one million excess infant deaths, from
in-utero exposure to even low levels of ionizing radiation from
fission products released into the atmosphere. British radiation
expert Dr. Chris Busby, has estimated that the Fukushima disaster
has released 1000 times more radiation (as of August 2011),
than the peak concentration of nuclear bomb test fission products
measured in 1963 at the British govt. radiation lab at Harwell,
UK, and 300 Chernobyls he estimated from radiation levels he
measured on air filters in Japan. Source: J.M. Gould, E.J.
Sternglass et al, “U.S.A. Newborn Deterioration in the
Nuclear Age, 1945-1996”, Radiation
and Public Health Publications (1998). This was presented
at the International Congress on the Effects of Low Dose Ionizing
Radiation in Childhood and Youth, in Medicine, Industry and
Environment in the Workplace, March 19-21, 1998.
14: INCREASE OF DIABETES GLOBALLY FROM ATMOSPHERIC TESTS The
local (New York City), regional (United States), and global
increases of diabetes indicate the impact on human health of
nuclear weapons tests. The global diabetes map is clearly a
fallout map, and indicates that nuclear pollution was carried
primarily from west to east by the jet stream. Source:
N.R. Kleinfield “Diabetes and Its Awful Toll Quietly Emerge
as a Crisis”, The New York Times (9 January 2006).
It is the radiation. And when I began to investigate the excess
deaths in the U.S. by region, reported by the Centers for Disease
Control after the March 11th Fukushima earthquake and tsunami,
I found the same phenomenon. And if you look at the death rates,
the increase in death rates since March 11th – by September
3rd more than 34,000 Americans had died. That does not include
babies or the unborn [deaths] as a result of Fukushima. These
were excess deaths that were unexplained by previous death rates
in earlier years. And what is interesting is when I looked at
the death rate increase by age groups, in the elderly who are
over 64 years old today (and 65), and were not exposed in
utero to ionizing radiation because they were born at the
end of World War II or before, the death rates in the elderly
range from 3.6% to 8%. [The] 3.6% [increase] was within the
Pacific region of the West Coast, [and] 8% was the mountain
region from the Canadian border to the Mexican border that included
Nevada, Idaho, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and then Montana
and Wyoming. And because of that mountain region [data] it certainly
does confirm that weather and geography are the greatest contributors
to environmental contamination from radiation.
15: SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN EXCESS DEATHS SINCE 3/13/11 Data
from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported March 13-
Sept. 3, 2011, shows increasing excess deaths for nearly all
regions of the US. This very high increase in acute deaths throughout
the US, that increases every week, can only be explained by
regional environmental contamination from the Fukushima nuclear
disaster in Japan. Increases in infant mortality range from
35-45% or higher, and are not included in the map data. Source:
Excess Deaths in US Updated for Sept. 3”
Fetzer: And especially in relation to mountain regions
which tend to hold certain atmospheric pollutants.
16: DEATH RATE INCREASES CAUSED BY FUKUSHIMA AS OF SEPT. 3,
2011 Excess deaths due to Fukushima by month (left), and
by region and age group (right). The cumulative effect of multiple
exposures to ionizing radiation, are indicated by an increase
in rates in younger age groups. Source: Bobby1, “Post-Fukushima
Excess Deaths in US Updated for Sept. 3”
Yes. So the death rates in the elderly in most of those regions
were actually lower than in younger groups [Fig. 16].
So for the 45 to 64 age group, 64 year old group, in the Pacific
Region, the Mountain Region, and in East North Central the death
rates in the 45 to 64 age group were higher than in the elderly
[65 years and older]. The elderly had not been exposed in utero
to ionizing radiation, but the 45 to 64 group had gone through
bomb testing and also nuclear power. But the biggest shock of
all was the West South Central death rates in the 25 to 44 age
group. It was 18.7%. It was three times higher than in the elderly
[65 years and older], and two or three times higher than the
45 to 64 group [exposed in utero to atmospheric tests].
And the West South Central area is Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas,
and Louisiana. Texas has a very high number of bases. Military
bases. A lot of the soldiers deployed to the Middle East and
Central Asian wars from Texas. When they got out, they came
back to Texas, and they were so sick they could not even be
in the military anymore. And they tended to stay living around
the bases, where they had served from, so that they could get
medical disability care. But the death rate increase of 18.7%
in the 25 to 44 group certainly has to be explained, and the
only explanation I can think of is the cumulative effect of
multiple and multi-generational exposures to ionizing radiation.
Dr. Fetzer: The cumulative effects.
17: MAJOR CAUSES OF DEATH IN JAPAN 1899-2003 The major causes
of death in Japan through 1945 were infectious diseases. Antibiotics
nearly eliminated deaths from infections. The nuclear bombing
of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, introduced nuclear technologies
as the major cause of death in Japan after World War II. After
1945, the cumulative impact of nuclear pollution caused increased
deaths from cerebrovascular disease, cancer (green line), and
heart disease, and replaced infectious diseases as the major
cause of death in Japan. Source: Vital Statistics of Japan
2004, Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare, Vol.1, p.67, Fig.4.
Dr. Fetzer: Chris, would you like to comment
on that before we turn to Fukushima, where I thought I would
invite Leuren to give a sketch of her recent research, and then
you could elaborate based on the work that went into your new
Dr. Busby: Well, yes, I broadly agree with
this cohort effect, because I have observed the cohort effect
that she is talking about, that Leuren is talking about, in
breast cancer in women. And when you prop these by cohorts,
by five year cohorts, you can see quite clearly a cohort effect
[Fig. 17]. That is to say, increases in incidence rates for
breast cancer for those women who were exposed more to the ionizing
radiation. And of course, the older women who weren’t
exposed, have lower rates. So you can see it quite clearly.
this particular group of women is aging now and slowly entering
the cancer window, if you like to call it that, and I think
we are going to see very large increases in cancer rates in
these people who were young or born around about the time of
the major injections of radionuclides into the atmosphere following
thing that worries me, you know, is that nobody is studying
it. Of course you have like millions and millions and millions
of dollars and pounds put into research into the causes of cancer
and the causes of ill health generally, but nobody seems to
be allowed to look at these vectors. I mean it is really quite
extraordinary. And anyone who does say anything about it, they
arejust marginalized and laughed at.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course we are talking about
a double phenomenon that is diminishing the population of the
world – the greater cancer rate of the elderly, but also
the lower reproductive rate of the young.
Dr. Busby: Yes, yes, that is right. And not
just cancer, I have to say. We know enough now to know that
radiation causes death right across the board. And in fact,
that is a very important observation, because if you die of
a heart attack, then you are not going to die of cancer. So
all of these studies that have been made of groups of people
who… you know… retrospective studies are made of
groups of people who are exposed, are floored in terms of adjusted
cancer endpoints, because many of these people died before they
would have got to the age where they would have developed cancer.
Dr. Fetzer: Very important. Very nice [analysis].
Dr. Busby: That is particularly true of the
[nuclear] test veterans, incidentally. I am doing a couple of
quite major court cases at the moment in the United Kingdom,
on nuclear test veterans, and a number of studies have been
done on test veterans and the other retrospective studies that
have been done on people who were exposed to radium from dial
painting, or Thorotrast
[thorium dioxide injected into patients from 1931 for higher
contrast x-rays] from various treatments. And when you look
into it closely, look at these studies, which are always studies
of cancer, so they are always looking for a cancer yield in
this population. You find that actually enormous numbers of
these people died long before they were even recruited into
the study group. And so therefore it is a biased study group
relative to its control, you know, so the results are just wrong.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, would you like to add on
to this before we turn to Fukushima and your latest reports
on that disaster?
L. Moret: No. No thank you.
Dr. Fetzer: Please then do give us a sketch
of the latest on Fukushima, and its consequences for Japan and
its population, which I take it from previous observations you
have made, may be destined for extinction on an accelerated
L. Moret: Well an article that came out on
January 30th in the Daily Mail online is titled “Japanese
population set to plummet by 30% over the next 50 years.”
And the 128 million population is expected to drop below 87
million by 2060 [a 32% population decline]. Now another alarming
thing about that, is that it is the over 65 year olds. The retired
population will make up 40% of the population.
Dr. Fetzer: 40% of the population that dies?
L. Moret: 40% of the population will be over
Dr. Fetzer: All right.
18: DEMOGRAPHIC INDICATOR FOR BELARUS 1950-2004 Following
the Chernobyl disaster in Russia in 1986, surrounding regions
in the Ukraine and Belarus were badly contaminated with fresh
fission products. The effects were already catastrophic within
5 years, causing birth-rates to decrease below rising death-rates.
This foreshadows the effects of the Fukushima disaster on Japan,
parts of N. America, and even Europe – already exposed
to nuclear fallout from atmospheric tests, nuclear power, and
depleted uranium weapons and exotic nuclear weapons in Iraq,
Yugoslavia, and Afghanistan. Source: Prof. Y. Bandashevsky,
“Non cancer illnesses and conditions in areas of Belarus
contaminated by radioactivity from the Chernobyl Accident”,
Proceedings of ECRR Conference, Lesvos, Greece, May 5-6, 2009,
Moret: And so what that is saying, is exactly what
Chris and I have been talking about. There is no replacement
population… very low replacement population.
So they are worried about the retirement funds, and the bulging
social security costs, which are rising by £8.3 billion
(British pounds) [$13.03 billion] every year. I don’t
think they should be worrying about that. I think they should
be worrying about whether the population is going to even survive.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course we are talking about
an island nation. And so in terms of genetic drift, because
it is a relatively isolated population from external interaction,
you are going to have the contamination spread, from the portion
of the population that is already suffering acute genetic effects
from Fukushima, throughout the rest of the population.
L. Moret: Well the fertility rate last year
in Japan was 1.39 children per couple. It has got to be higher
than 2.08 to keep the population from shrinking.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes.
L. Moret: And all this radiation in Japan guarantees
that fertility rate is going to drop even more in the years
Dr. Fetzer: So if we project a hundred years
hence we are going to find the Japanese population, what, maybe
20 or 30% of what it is today?
Moret: Well yes, and then it is genetically, you know,
there is just tremendous genetic damage. So you have the replacement
population that is being born, or the young population that
is being born is also mentally damaged, so the productivity,
the vitality, I mean a culture survives on the power of its
ideas. So when you brain-damage the whole population, even fifty
or a hundred years from now what’s left?
19: DECLINE OF SCHOLASTIC APTITUDE TEST SCORES IN US 1952-1994
The catastrophic decline in Scholastic Aptitude Test (S.A.T.)
scores in the US, from a high of 480 for children born in 1945
(yr. of birth on curve), to a low of 425 for children born in
1963, occurred at the 1963 peak of US nuclear bomb tests. The
S.A.T. scores for US teenagers (year of high school S.A.T. testing
at bottom of graph) never recovered from a 12.5% decline between
1945-1963, because nuclear power plant radioactive emissions
replaced nuclear bomb radioactive pollution (1). A WHO world
survey reported that the US now has the highest rate of mental
illness (26%) in the world, part of the legacy of the nuclear
age (2). Source: (1) Sternglass, E.J., S. Bell, “Fallout
and SAT Scores: Evidence for Cognitive Damage During Early Infancy”,
Phi Delta Kappan, April 1983, pp.539-545; and (2) “Prevalence,
Severity, and Unmet Need for Treatment of Mental Disorders in
the World Health Organization World Mental Health Surveys, The
WHO World Mental Health Survey Consortium, Journal of the American
Medical Association (JAMA), Vol. 291 No. 21, June 2, 2004:
Well that is really quite stunning because Japan has been a
source of a great deal of creativity and engineering, not only
in the area of automobiles, but also in electronics and televisions
and all that. I mean most Americans like myself have their best
television, is in this case a Toshiba, you know it is a “made
in Japan” product.
L. Moret: Well the Japanese culture is very,
very, traditionally resourceful, creative. The vitality is just
tremendous. What I have always referred to Japan [as being]
after 20 speaking tours in Japan since the year 2000, [is a
technologically advanced indigenous culture]. I went all over
Japan warning about a disaster like Fukushima. I predicted it
in the Japan Times in 2004 [Editor's Note: see "Japan's
Deadly Game of Nuclear Roulette," May 23, 2004]. I
am not predicting anything ever again because I don’t
want it to come true. It is just a tremendously vital population
and culture. It is not going to be the same.
Dr. Fetzer: And your predictions were based
upon your assessment of the quality of engineering, the state
of the nuclear industry in Japan, even independent from the
level and influence from external sources such as Israel.
L. Moret: Oh, no, it was the tremendous danger
of large magnitude earthquakes.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, the earthquake phenomenon
because they constructed so many of these plants on faults.
Moret: Right on faults, yes. And it is one of the most
tectonically active regions in the world. It has like 0.25 %
[exactly 0.3%] of the land surface and it has got over 10% of
the earth’s major earthquakes.
20: JAPAN’S DEADLY GAME OF NUCLEAR ROULETTE This map
of Japan, annotated by Japanese nuclear engineer Mr. Kikuchi,
shows the four tectonic plates colliding under Japan, areas
of high (“observed region”) and very high (“specially
observed”) quake risk, and the sites of 54 nuclear reactors
Source: L. Moret, “Japan’s
deadly game of nuclear roulette”, Japan Times (23
I understand that there is a major nuclear plant that the Russians
helped design in Iran, but they are reluctant to turn on, because
it is located in the vicinity of three fault lines. I can’t
believe that they would ever have constructed it there if this
information is correct.
L. Moret: Well an awful lot of the U.S. nuclear
plants, and the Army Corps of Engineers dams, were absolutely,
deliberately built on faults.
Dr. Fetzer: Why would that be done? Leuren,
it seems so incredibly stupid and short-sighted.
L. Moret: Well, since it is consistent in every
country, it looks like another form of nuclear war to me, because
all they have to do is put the Stuxnet virus on a USB stick,
and stick it in an operating system, and you have another Fukushima
anywhere you want it.
Dr. Fetzer: Do you believe the Stuxnet was
used in Fukushima?
L. Moret: Absolutely. It was in the newspaper.
discovered the Stuxnet virus in October of 2010 in
Japan. It was in 72 computers.
Dr. Fetzer: And the Israelis were retaliating
because Japan was standing up for an independent Palestine.
L. Moret: No, no, the CIA did it. No, the CIA
did IT. And the Israelis have just been used as a delivery system
in Iran at Natanz
or wherever it happened there. And they had a security company,
Israeli security company from Dimona, which is where their
nuclear project is, in Japan at Fukushima in September. And
then the Stuxnet virus shows up in Japan one month later.
Dr. Fetzer: What was the motivation of the
CIA.? You see I can understand so clearly why Israel, which
is an Old Testament nation, after all, a God of Revenge might
retaliate against Japan for supporting the Palestinian state,
but why would the CIA be involved?
L. Moret: Well first of all the British intelligence
MI6 created the CIA, they created the FBI, and they created
the Mossad. And so, all
of those three intelligence agencies are actually working for
the British. So this goes back to the bankers.
the financiers like to be involved in mining projects, to get
mineral resources that they can sell at high prices, because
a lot of countries don’t have a lot of minerals. And so
they make money off of regions that are in transition, from
under-developed countries to developed countries. And what they
are doing now is they are “dumping” the Western
economies, Europe, Japan, and the U.S., and they are “pumping”
the biggest mining projects in the world, planned for the next
hundred years, are in Southeast Asia, and Haiti, the Caribbean,
and Norway – Tromso Norway, and Turkey. So these regions,
being mined by the Eurasian
Mineral Company, which is part of the Rockefellers and the
Rothschilds, the Wall Street and London bankers, are areas that
are targeted for genocide and depopulation, as well as mining
development, and plundering, actually. And they make these countries
so weak, that they cannot resist the plundering by these financiers.
And then the financiers sell those minerals to… can you
imagine how much money they are going to make on China developing?
All the copper, the iron, all these minerals they are going
to sell to China…
Dr. Fetzer: Well just to express a note of
dissent, everything I know about the development of the CIA
or of the Mossad suggests that they were indigenous to those
populations. I mean there is quite a history of the CIA in the
United States. I am therefore not inclined to the same point
of view you have expressed about those entities as being creations
of MI5 and MI6, but that is certainly an interesting suggestion.
L. Moret: The FBI
was created in 1918 or 1919, no, when it was created, the same
year the contract for the Federal
Reserve was signed.
21: THE MYSTERIOUS ORIGINS OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN J. EDGAR HOOVER
Photo of J. Edgar Hoover in 1924 (1), who was descended
from African slaves belonging to the Hoover family in Pike County,
Mississippi (2), and was arrested twice as an adult for homosexual
activities, which as head of the FBI he was able to cover up.
His deep hatred for blacks and homosexuals launched the FBI’s
COINTELPRO (Counter-Intelligence Program) which targeted civil
rights groups and leaders, and harassed homosexuals (2). Controlled
by his gambling habits and homosexuality through blackmail by
Meyer Lansky and the mafia (who worked for the British), Hoover
in turn blackmailed U.S. Presidents with their sex exploits
and was able to remain in charge of the FBI from 1924-72 (2,3).
He was deeply involved with Ian Fleming and Sir W. Stephenson,
in charge of British Intelligence in the US and headquartered
in Rockefeller Center (3). At that time, British intelligence
was setting up extensive drug distribution networks by the mafia,
using prohibition in Canada and the US (4). Hoover protected
the British drug distributors – by denying the existence
of organized crime in the US. Hoover’s entire career was
dedicated to “protection” – his own job, and
Dope, Inc. drug activities in N. America. Source: (1) photo
(2) E. Spannaus, “The Mysterious Origins of J. Edgar Hoover”,
American Almanac, August 2000; “J. Edgar Hoover: Biography”
(3) H.M. Hyde, Room 3603, Farrar Straus and Co. (1962); (4)
U.S. Labor Party Investigating Team, Dope, Inc.: Britain’s
Opium War Against the US, 1978.
Fetzer: Yes, but we have, you know, there is a history
there of the Pinkertons
and all that, the Treasury Department and the origin of the
FBI. Actually there is a halfway decent film out, with Leonardo
DiCaprio playing the role of J. Edgar Hoover, that is fairly
good on this aspect of it. [Editor's Note: "J.
Edgar," released Nov. 2012, directed by Clint Eastwood].
But that is incidental to the key issues we are talking about.
want to continue with Fukushima after our final break, which
we will take now. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The
Real Deal” with my very special guests today, Leuren Moret
and Dr. Christopher Busby. We’ll be right back.
Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal,
concluding my conversation with Leuren Moret, an independent
geoscientist, who has done expert studies on Fukushima, and
Dr. Christopher Busby, a visiting Biomedical Studies Professor
at the University of Ulster, who has done a lot of quite brilliant
work discovering the use of enriched uranium in Iraq, especially
in Fallujah. Chris, let me turn to you to talk a bit about your
new work, your new book about Japan. Tell us the title of the
book and when it might become available.
Dr. Busby: It is only in Japanese.
Dr. Fetzer: Only in Japanese!
Dr. Busby: So far as the Japanese book is concerned,
that is going to come out some time in June. And we haven’t
really thought up a title yet. But I have written a book, or
at least I have edited a book, on Fukushima already, called
Fukushima and Health, What To Expect. And that was
released in October or November. [Editor's Note: Please see
the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR) overview page
for Fukushima and Health
here, the pdf download page here,
and the download link here].
And essentially it derives from the International Conference
of the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR), who I represent,
which was carried out in Lesvos
in Greece in 2009. And that conference was aimed at looking
at the Chernobyl accident in relation to the risk model for
of course when Fukushima happened I was putting those conference
proceedings together and it occurred to us all that if you want
to know what was going to happen at Fukushima, and to the Japanese
population, you had only to look at what had already happened
and what was reported by all of the ex-Soviet scientists who
came to this conference, about twenty eminent scientists who
came and discussed the health effects of Chernobyl. And we heard
from people about genetic damage, and psychological effects,
and IQ effects, and heart disease, and sex ratio changes, and
of course cancer. A whole range of terrible effects which followed
from Chernobyl, and defined an error in the risk model of the
ICRP (International Committee on Radiation Protection), which
is the risk model which is being used to limit exposures in
Fukushima, quite wrongly of course. So that is what that book
is about. It is about Fukushima and Health and What to Expect.
can order it on Amazon. But it does show all of these things
that Leuren was talking about, that will occur in the Japanese
population. Particularly nasty things to do with IQ and psychological
problems that they will have, and heart disease and so on.
Dr. Fetzer: And the Japanese have historically
have had one of the highest average intelligence of any population
in the world.
Dr. Busby: Well these radioactivity exposures,
these radiation exposures cause massive changes in mentation,
and the ability to think, and so on. And this is not the only
study that has shown that. There were studies made by a number
of researchers, one in Norway, of children who were exposed
to weapons fallout, and…
Dr. Fetzer: So they affect neuronal structure
and synaptic connections.
Dr. Busby: Yes, they just reduce general ability.
And of course, you know, this means that the economic power
of the country that gets exposed will be destroyed or certainly
reduced. And also the other thing in the Japanese book will
be the results of my own researches in Fukushima, where I have
measured now radionuclides in car air filters, in at least 18
vehicle air filters from all over Fukushima prefecture, and
local prefectures also. And down as far as Chiba
and in Tokyo
also. And we have been able to use these analyses, these gamma
ray spectral analyses of these car filters, to show how much
of the radioactivity was in the air. And interestingly, we were
leaked a document from the DOE [United States Department of
Energy], a very large document, showing the measurements that
were made by the United States Department of Energy [DOE] of
various sites in Japan, and as far as I know not released to
anybody, which entirely confirms what we found in the car filters.
from the beginning, the DOE was measuring radionuclides on the
embassy roof in Tokyo, and also at various other sites using
portable high volume air samplers. And we have all of these
22: PROFESSOR YUKIO HAYAKAWA: RADIATION CONTAMINATION ROUTE
MAP This map is the careful work of Professor Yukio Hayakawa
from Gunma University in Japan, indicating the contours, routes,
and timing of dispersion of radioactive contamination from the
March 11, 2011, Fukushima nuclear disaster. Within 10 days of
the Fukushima earthquake and tsunami on March 11, 2011, a large
area of Japan was already contaminated with high levels of fission
products not reported to the public. By March 15, contamination
(dark yellow) had reached the mountainous Nagano region of western
Japan, and to the south west (dark orange). By March 20 contamination
(dark blue) had moved to the northeast of Fukushima. By March
21 contamination (bright pink) reached south through Chiba into
Tokyo. Another plume (turquoise) moved northeast offshore before
contaminating the Sendai region. Within 10 days of the Fukushima
disaster on March 11, a
large part of Japan was already contaminated with high levels
of fission products, not reported to the public. Source:
Prof. Yukio Hayakawa, Gunma University, Japan
Fetzer: You are telling me that the Department of Energy
[DOE] of the United States is already well aware of the devastating
consequences of these exposures to radiation, many of which
are actually deliberately delivered by American military systems.
And yet they keep…
Dr. Busby: They certainly measured them. They
certainly measured the material, and we have the results of
those measurements that were made. And they knew early on that
very large amounts of radionuclides were getting to Tokyo [Fig.
22], and nobody said anything at all about it, as I recall.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, it is like Christie
Whitman, as the head of the EPA after 9/11, reporting that
all the “air was just fine to breath” when it was
filled with all kinds of toxic substances, heavy metals and
the like. It was a disgusting display of irresponsibility by
the government for political reasons exclusively.
Dr. Busby: Well there seems to be a kind of
plate glass barrier between the people and governments now,
all over the world. The governments do one thing, and the people
are kept in the dark. And nowhere is this more obvious than
in Japan where people are now being sacrificed to the “god
of nuclear power.” There is no other way of putting it,
Fetzer: And you heard my sketch before, that the real
reason it appears for wanting to attack Iran has nothing to
do with nuclear weapons, but has to do with their development
of, you know, the radioactive fuel rods that are necessary to
maintain nuclear power plants, and where the Iranians threaten
to undercut the market for the American nuclear power industry
and roughly run them out of business, which is another example
of the false ideology of “free enterprise” and “free
markets” and “welcoming competition.”
23: THE GRAND CHESSBOARD Zbigniew Brzezinski’s map
of the global geopolitical grand chessboard, with the “south”
region –Egypt, the Middle East, Central Asia and India
– designated as the primary area of interest to US geostrategic
imperatives. The US-British hidden agenda is for control of
energy supplies from this region supplying energy for Asia,
through American-dominated security of the Persian Gulf. Source:
Z. Brzezinski, The Grand Chessboard (1997).
Well yes, sure, that is an interesting take on it. My own feeling
is that Iran is just the “next enemy” you know,
having sewn up the Middle East. And a lot of this is done on
behalf of the Israelis, as far as I can see, and Iran is the
next big enemy. I mean they are taking down Syria now with a
load of false flag operations, and with similar sorts of attacks
to the ones that brought down Gaddafi.
And so the next big power block in the Middle East is Iran.
And I think they just want to take over Iran so that they control
all the oil reserves in the Middle East without anybody there
to saber rattle against them.
Dr. Fetzer: I can’t believe that Russia
and China would allow Iran to go down. I just cannot believe
it. I find it difficult to believe that Syria could even stand
a serious risk given the relationships between Syria, Iran,
and Russia. It seems to me that this is terribly--
24: SMASHING GREATER CENTRAL ASIA The latest stage of pipeline
wars in Central Asia involve Iran, and the usual overt and covert
measures used in war, including nuclear weapons. Following a
carefully choreographed dance of geopolitical and geostrategic
forces, it will be the most dangerous phase of the “blood
bankers” war to control the Middle East and Central Asian
energy resources. The sand in the wheels of the military, will
come from the unpredictable reactions of involved dictators,
when they realize they have been double-crossed by the Zionist
Anglo-American permanent war crimes racketeering syndicate (2).
No matter how many computer simulations, war games to model
the human psyche, using complex logarithms to predict human
behavior, the military cannot model or predict the power of
the human spirit. People fighting for their lives, engaged in
spiritual warfare, have defeated the greatest armies throughout
history. Source: (1) Map: Lebanon Knights blogspot, “Smashing
Greater Central Asia – Part IV”, December 31, 2011.
(2) J.C. Masterman, The Double-Cross System: In the War of 1939
to 1945, Avon (1972).
Busby: I kind of agree with you. But it doesn’t
seem to stop the United States doing this, you know. And I think
ultimately one has to almost rely on the sanity of the ex-Soviet
Union, you know, and hope that they will not…
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, I regard Vladimir Putin as
the last best barrier against World War III!
Dr. Busby: Yes.
L. Moret: I think he is the only sane world
leader left, and you don’t see the [ex-] Soviets using
their nuclear weapons everywhere in the world. And not only
that, the U.S. HAS been using nuclear weapons. These are called
battlefield tactical nukes. Five kilotons and under is not included
in the Comprehensive
Nuclear Test-Ban Treaty.
25: BATTLEFIELD NUKES – ON SHIPS OR LAST NEVADA TEST
Fetzer: Isn’t that incredible.
L. Moret: And, the mini-nukes are not under
presidential control. They are under the control of the battlefield
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, I once had a conversation
with Doug Rokke, who I gather used to pilot B-52's. I talked
to him about how given they were using these weapons that were
causing massive genetic damage. Why would the United States
go ahead and use them? He just replied, he said “from
the military point of view they are the most effective weapon.”
And when I said, “Are they contemplating the long term
consequences and genetic damage?” and he said, “Absolutely
not, they don’t care.”
L. Moret: They don’t care.
Dr. Fetzer: They just use these weapons because
they are the best weapons to perform a certain task.
L. Moret: They have two jobs. The military…
as a Marine officer you know that, the military has two jobs:
to destroy things and kill people.
Dr. Fetzer: Well, listen, the Marine Corps
may have been more enlightened in my day. I never heard such
an attitude from any Marine Corps officer as I was hearing from
Doug Rokke about the Air Force, and the use of these bombs that
were going to have these catastrophic effects. And I want to
ask you too is it just stupidity and ignorance on the part of
the highest level leaders, that they don’t know enough
about evolution and ecology that they go about polluting and
destroying the human genome? I mean this is stunning!
Dr. Busby: This is not where they live. It
is like Leuren said, the end justifies the means. I mean, everybody
has a job in this game, and their job is to win the war.
L. Moret: And it is to follow orders.
Dr. Busby: And it is to win the war without
losing too many of their troops at the time of the war. If they
have a weapon that will enable them to do that, and if they
can use it, they will use it. It is as simple as that. They
don’t really think in terms of genomic instability, and
the effects on populations, and all the rest of that stuff.
It is not in their mindset. It is not what they think about.
Dr. Fetzer: It is as though the highest level
leaders of these countries are massively ignorant, or are willingly
malicious. I mean it is going to eventually threaten them and
their children, their progeny too.
L. Moret: It is illogical and we can never
explain it with logic. It is illogical. I have met so many retired
officers who were turned into contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And one of them I was speaking to at an event in Hawaii, and
he came up to me and he said “Oh darn! Well I am going
back to Iraq because I have unfinished business.” He said
“My sick son, I made him go to Iraq. He is out in the
car. He is too upset about what he might hear from you to come
in and listen, but I am taking him back too.” And I said,
“You are killing your own son.” He said, “But
I have got unfinished work to do in Iraq.” In other words,
he meant to make more money for Blackwater.
But I want to, before our interview ends, I just want to present
some information that I got from a mid-wife on Long Island.
Dr. Fetzer: Sure.
L. Moret: On the effects of Fukushima that
she is seeing in the pregnant mothers and newborns.
Dr. Fetzer: Effects of Fukushima in Long Island?
L. Moret: On Long Island.
Dr. Fetzer: Amazing.
L. Moret: She said her patients are totally
unaware. She said they have had an epidemic of twinning in the
past year. She is a midwife. She said that she has had three
sets of twins recently, and she said that she almost never has
them. Three sets in one year was just astounding to her. [Editor's
twin births have doubled in three decades.]
said that also diabetes in pregnant mothers is epidemic. She
said the normal rate is one out of 50 pregnancies, the pregnant
mother will develop gestational diabetes. That means as a result
of being pregnant. She said now, in the last year,
that has increased to three to four cases out of ten mothers.
In other words, thirty to forty out of [a hundred], instead
of one in fifty, it is fifteen to twenty out of fifty, almost
half of the mothers. She said it does disappear after birth,
but it puts the mother and the baby at additional health risks
in future years.
I have been seeing is an epidemic globally of conjoined twinning,
which… these are what we would call Siamese Twins. It
is an epidemic in animals and in humans, and it corresponds
to the monsoon rainout pattern globally.
26: GLOBAL EPIDEMIC OF CONJOINED TWINS AND NUCLEAR WARS With
the introduction of depleted uranium and small tactical nukes
in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and Palestine, a
global conjoined twin epidemic in humans and animals began in
1990. A similar epidemic occurred in the US during nuclear weapons
testing (1953-1963), with the yearly number of conjoined twins
born correlating with the annual total kiloton of testing. A
similar pattern has been reported since 1990 globally in the
shadow of the monsoon rainout patterns, with a large increase
since the US and British introduced exotic nuclear weapons attacks
to Afghanistan in 2001-2. Source: Leuren Moret, Kuala Lumpur
War Crimes Complaint for Iraq, 2009.
Fetzer: Oh God.
L. Moret: It is just an epidemic. And we had
a huge epidemic of conjoined twinning in the United States during
the period of bomb testing.
birth rate and high birth rate are also caused by radiation
exposure in utero. And she said just three weeks ago –
she was having low birth weight and high birth weight babies
both – and she said just three weeks ago she had a baby
born that was five pounds, eleven ounces, and she has had babies
as big as ten pounds, nine pounds and ten ounces, ten pounds.
And now I am getting articles out of the newspaper that fourteen
and fifteen pound babies are being born in the U.S.
27: HIGH BIRTHWEIGHT BABIES ARE BORN TO DIABETIC MOTHERS Three
babies born recently are the largest babies born in their countries.
Most high birth-weight babies are born to obese or diabetic
mothers, and are not healthy babies. They appear to be normal,
but are bloated and at higher risk of future health issues and
diabetes. Each of these babies is 2-3 times heavier than normal
newborns, probably the result of multiple exposures to ionizing
radiation in their birth families. Since this is a recent global
phenomenon, an environmental cause is indicated. Source:
Leuren Moret, Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Complaint, 2009.
Fetzer: Fourteen and fifteen pounds, those are enormous.
L. Moret: These babies are not healthy babies.
They are born bloated. They are bloated. They are not
Dr. Fetzer: And of course all the contaminants
in the mother’s body are going to filter down to the fetus
and affect its development.
L. Moret: And then it is in the nursing milk.
The mother’s milk. And she said that the maternal obesity
is so bad that one doctor she knows has a scale outside his
office in the hall. And if you are over 250 pounds he will not
take you as a patient.
Dr. Fetzer: And of course these consequences
are turning out to be global because all of this contamination
is being spread globally.
L. Moret: Yes, and for instance in South America
four of the presidents of South America or former presidents
have cancer. Two presidents including Lula
of Brazil and the present
president who is a woman, Hugo
Chavez is dying, he will probably not even survive the election
in the fall. He has cut back on his chemotherapy so that he
can perform his duty as president.
Dr. Fetzer: I had supposed he was targeted,
but you are suggesting possibly not.
L. Moret: Fidel Castro told him he was targeted.
No, I mean Fidel Castro told him he was targeted. He said the
Dr. Fetzer: I am sure he was targeted.
L. Moret: Yes, they couldn’t kill him,
they couldn’t assassinate him.
Dr. Fetzer: The U.S. developed a rapid acting
cancer as long ago as in New Orleans in 1963. Lee Harvey Oswald
was even involved in that.
L. Moret: Well that [“CIA cancer”]
is what they killed Jackie
Onassis (Kennedy) with.
Dr. Fetzer: Well Jack Ruby appears to have
been killed that way. Not Jackie, I have not heard that suggestion.
L. Moret: Yes, she found a lump in her groin
in December and she was dead by April. And she was a young,
Dr. Fetzer: Relatively young, yes.
L. Moret: Yes. And Christina
Fernandez who is the president of Argentina just had her
Dr. Fetzer: But are you finding the same birth
defects down in South America that we are up here.
L. Moret: Oh, absolutely, the conjoined…
Dr. Fetzer: It is not a Northern and Southern
L. Moret: No, the conjoined twinning pattern
in South America is on the west slope of the Andes, which go
north and south on the west side of South America, the Andes
mountain chain. And that is where there is very high snow out
and rainout of the radiation coming across the Pacific.
Dr. Fetzer: It used to be a wonderful thing,
but now it is turning into a disaster because of the contamination.
L. Moret: Yes, and so there is conjoined twinning
in Chile, in Peru, in Bolivia, in Brazil, in Dominica,
one of the islands in the Caribbean, other islands in the Caribbean,
in Guatemala. We have it in the U.S., in Canada… this
is rainout patterns of monsoons, because I have the global maps
of monsoon rainout. Across Africa, Southeast Asia, there is
one island in Indonesia that had 19 conjoined twins in one year.
Dr. Fetzer: Well it has to be the case that
the DOE and DoD are well aware of this so that the American
government is well aware of it. The CIA and other intelligence
agencies, the NSA, they would have to all be aware of this.
L. Moret: Well of course. Of course.
Dr. Fetzer: It is appalling. Chris, please
give us some reflections on what in the world we are doing putting
ourselves out of existence as a species. It is so short-sighted.
It is so incredibly stupid I can hardly believe it
is happening, but the reality appears to be that we are already
so far gone that it appears to me that it is probably irreversible.
Dr. Busby: Yes, well, time to head for the
hills, it seems to me. [Laughter]. I have to say.
L. Moret: That is the worst place to go. Head
for the desert! [Laughter].
Dr. Busby: In my case, I am from the generation
just before the first atomic bombs, so my genes are chromium-plated
Dr. Fetzer: Mine too, mine too, or were until
I lost my prostrate, but there we go. Tell us Chris what do
you see, I mean, this looks like…
Dr. Busby: I don’t know about alL …
you know I listen to what Leuren said, and I am sure it is all
true. I haven’t studied it, but from what I have seen,
and I have said this before, it is certainly true that we are
destroying the fertility of the human race and most of the living
systems on earth. And when I say “We” I really don’t
mean me, and I don’t mean you, and I don’t mean
mean there are people who are doing these things and the reasons
why they are doing them are pretty obscure and fairly crazy.
And it doesn’t seem that we can do anything to stop them.
But I think that… like what I came in with right at the
beginning, unless there is some way in which we can put a new
ideology in place of the current market forces-driven chaos
I don’t think that there is anything that anybody will
cling to that the people can actually embrace and say “Well,
this is what we want to have.” And so in the absence of
any such ideology, we will have business as usual, and the entire
living system will slowly go down the toilet.
Dr. Fetzer: It seems to me that a lot of this
has to do with the fact that the business and military types,
for example, very typically have inadequate educations, especially
in relation to scientific subjects, including perhaps, particularly
early biology. And the comprehension of evolution and its ramifications
is almost negligible among leaders of the United States.
Dr. Busby: Yes, I think so, but we can step
back from that one step, you know, because I think that one
aspect of human politics, if you would like to call it history,
which has not really been looked at very closely, is personality.
Now we all know that different people have different personalities.
In fact it is quite easy to type these personalities. There
have been various systems of personality typing. But what is
clear to me is that the people who are in control are the last
people who ought to be in control. And until somebody develops
an ideology that prevents mad people from getting to the top,
then we will just have the same history again and again and
again and again. You have only got to look at the major leaders
in history and even in recent history, to see that the people
who are in charge are flawed and arrogant and irresponsible.
L. Moret: Psychopaths.
Dr. Busby: And insecure, and all of these things.
So it seems to me it can’t be difficult, it can’t
be impossible to devise a political ideology or a political
system that does not permit people like that to choose themselves,
and put themselves up for office, so that people vote for them.
L. Moret: I would like to give a few examples
of the new future that we have to look forward to.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, yes.
28: CONJOINED TWINNING IN HUMANS AND ANIMALS – PALESTINE
A two-headed lamb was born on the West Bank of Palestine
in October 2008 (1), followed by the first conjoined twins born
in Palestine in March of 2010 (2). These birth defects in animals
and humans, followed a period of Israeli attacks on Lebanon
(2006) and on Gaza (2008-9), with depleted uranium DIME, and
the use of nuclear weapons in Lebanon which contaminated Israel.
When phenomena occur both in humans and animals it is usually
an environmental cause. The Israeli population is also suffering
a drastic decline in fertility and birth rates, indicating that
the regional population and food supplies have also been contaminated.
The continual exposure to nuclear materials from Iraq, Yugoslavia,
Afghanistan, over a protracted period of time since the Iraq
war started in 1990 has now damaged the genome of all living
things in the region as well. The genocidal agenda of recent
events has exposed the real nature of conflicts today as wars
by governments against their own people. Source: (1) http://www.asylum.com/2010/08/04/two-headed-creatures-take-pet-ownership-to-the-next-level/
(2) VIDEO: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraphtv/3373297/VIDEO-EMBED-Two-headed-lamb.html
P. Eyre, “Gaza’s first Siamese Twins – What
are their chances?” Palestine Telegraph, April 9, 2010.
Moret: A lamb born in a village in Georgia in Russia
with six legs. Two kittens born in England ... Hampshire ... with
54 toes between the two of them. And pigs now born all over China
with horrible birth defects. I have an article right in front
of me with a photo. The farmers had to teach a young pig how to
walk on its front two legs because it doesn't have any back legs.
This is the world that is coming, emerging now.
29: CHINA HAS ITS SHARE OF BIRTH DEFECTS IN ANIMALS AND HUMANS
As the monsoon rains out the radioactive dust and particles
from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan across China, it has created
the “Silk Road” esophegal cancer epidemic as well
as many birth defects reported in babies and animals. Radiation
deposited in the environment depends on two things – geography
and weather. Even the farthest corners of the world cannot protect
the global population from exposure to the covert nuclear wars
raging since 1990. Source: “Hamstand:
‘Gymnast’ piglet born without hind legs learns to
walk on two front trotters”, 28 November 2011.
Dr. Fetzer: Of
course the human genetic abnormalities are simply stunning and
L. Moret: And the Emperor
of Japan has been in the hospital in November and December
and also the little Crown
Princess who is only ten with radiation-related illnesses.
Dr. Fetzer: Probably from Fukushima or earlier?
L. Moret: Fukushima.
Dr. Busby: Oh yes sure, the Fukushima effects
are manifest in the population, particularly heart attacks.
Moret: And they kept flying the Emperor and Empress
in a helicopter at low altitude up to Fukushima to do photo
ops, and they were flying through heavy [nuclear pollution]…
30: THE EMPEROR AND EMPRESS OF JAPAN VISIT FUKUSHIMA Radiation
respects no borders, no religion, and no socioeconomic class.
It is an equal opportunity killer. Even the Emperor his grandaughter,
the young daughter of the Crown Prince and Princess, have been
affected by exposure to the Fukushima radiation contaminating
every part of Japan. They both spent part of November in the
hospital. Source: “Japan’s
Emperor, Empress, Visit Quake’s Hardest-Hit Areas”,
27 April 2011.
Fetzer: Heavy contamination. How incredibly stupid.
L. Moret: Heavily contaminated air masses all
the way to Fukushima and back. Not just once, but a number of
Dr. Fetzer: Well Leuren and Chris, I can’t
thank you enough for being here. We have only a minute or two
to add one final thought or two from each of you. Leuren, would
you like to add a remark?
L. Moret: Yes. What species kills its young
for energy? What species kills its young for security? What
species kills its young for domination?
Dr. Fetzer: Chris Busby?
Dr. Busby: Well if any Martian historians came
here in the future on their flying saucers and looked to see
what would happen, they wouldn’t believe it.
Dr. Fetzer: [Voice heavy with emotion]. This
is Jim Fetzer, saying thank you to my guests and all of you
McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota
Duluth, is a former Marine Corps officer and the founder of
Scholars for 9/11 Truth.
Moret is an independent geoscientist who has done
expert studies on the Fukushima disaster, radiation problems
around the world including depleted uranium.
Christopher Busby is a visiting biomedical studies
professor at the University of Ulster and is the co-author of
reports about the effects of enriched uranium in Iraq especially