Ingunn Sigurdsdatter - Norway Happiest Country on Earth Myth
& Awakening the Norsemen (Red
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hear a lot about Norway in the most positive light in the international
mass media these days as the globalists want to push a corporate
socialist model upon the world. The Scandinavian experiment
and the Nordic Model has certainly proven to fulfill many of
the dreams that the New Word Order wants to impose on the world.
taxes, systemic corruption, a controlled and one-sided media,
a silent and submissive population, massive public spending,
and in return we get lousy schools and health care not worth
even mentioning. There is also within the system no room for
alternatives and a few Mom and Pops as the corporate socialist
model creates more monopolies and conformity than probably any
other system has done throughout history.
are talking with Ingunn Sigurdsdattur today who has been on
the fringes of Norwegian society for some time now. A vantage
point from where she can see the absurdity of the system and
of course what happens if you do not obey and submit to the
state. She has a university degree in languages and social sciences.
Living in various countries has provided a track record of conventional
as well as not so conventional careers within different areas.
She has founded and cofounded three companies, taught at the
local university and high schools, and was last running an alternative
school in her home town. She has also co-authored a book for
children about Thor Heyerdahl’s crossing of the Pacific
Ocean in a balsa fleet.
will be discussing the modus operandi of the underling nefarious
quality of the much praised Scandinavian social democracies.
The engineering of our mind constructs through media and other
institutions and the limits to statism. This is an extended
two hour segment, and in the second hour we will speak more
about when the Norwegian police showed up at her door with the
equivalent of the Food Safety Agency in order to stifle her
economically, basically. We will get into some of the history
of the Scandinavian countries towards the end as well as this
is where the key lies both to why we have been so fiercely opposed
and sought to be controlled like no other. But it is in the
history that the secret to our rebellion also lies.
Ingunn, thanks for coming on to our program, talking with us
today. Is everything OK on your end?
Ingunn Sigurdsdatter: Hi there Henrik, yes,
absolutely, thank you so. I am Skyping you from the studio of
Michael’s Round Table Talk, near Oslo, near the Norwegian
capitol. What I see around me is an impressive sound studio,
actually, and Michael’s art work on the walls. Just like
me we are actually two people in the studio today with you.
So like me, Michael is also dedicating most of his time and
his efforts and whatever money he might have to waking the people
up in times where we see the totalitarian society come closer
by the day. So--
IS: As for me, I have not bought clothes for
three or four years. And when I look at Mike, I think that might
be the case also for him. Yes.
HP: Hi Mike, thank you for joining us as well.
Michael: Hello, Henrik.
HP: Hey, nice to talk to you, nice to meet
you. Well, I think we have a real interesting discussion ahead
of us here today. Before we get more into the situation in Norway
as well regarding freedom of speech --I mean there are so many
issue we can and want to talk about, and we will see how much
we can kind of cram into it here -- maybe you can just tell
us a little bit about yourself, Ingunn, and how there is an interesting
situation that has occurred to you obviously, and we will get
into this more later in detail, but we are going to try to tackle
this very notion as well that Norway is the best country in
the world. The world’s happiest place to live in. This
is something that gets repeated again and again in the mass
media, and you know there are some interesting numbers we can
dig out on that as well. But just tell us a little bit about
IS: I will just give you a general background
so you have an idea. So as for me I feel that I have been descending
the social ladder rather than climbing it actually. So I feel
I began on the top pretty much, and after that I have come climbing
down for the last few years. So I grew up in a politically conscious
family, and my grandfather, he was the head of the leftist party.
So he was actually a renown politician. Careerwise I have been
teaching at the local university and at high schools and I have
founded and co-founded three companies and at least one of them
with a fair measure of worldly success. So but what I do now
is the contrary. I am cleaning houses, for instance. I have
turned in my Norwegian citizenship so I have become what some
might call a free woman, which rather is just returning to the
natural sovereign state without any tags, really. So what I
live by now is my ecological green economy which the state is
very happy to label "black," black money, but as far
as me is concerned, I would say it is the black economy that
the state promotes exclusively.
IS: So when I think about the things that I
do now, actually, I think it is so sweet because the allegory
fits my life so nicely. So Shakespeare, he says that all the
men and women are merely players on the stage, right? There
is only one person who is outside this matrix who is not in
the game, and that is the cleaning lady because she comes on
to the stage when the actors have gone home and she sweeps the
stage and cleans up after them. So that is actually me now.
But if you go to the Norwegian media you will have to look hard
and long to find someone more demonized than me because I have
been visible within the media for the last years, as a very
critical voice of dissent. [7:06]
HP: Tell us how that happened, how that occurred
and why they –- because usually what happens in Sweden
and some of the other countries here they just do not kind of
touch those issues at all. They just avoid it altogether. Were
you kind of in the media limelight before you started on your
awakening journey, if we can call it that?
IS: Absolutely, I was on my awakening journey.
Then it was during the swine flu period that I was kind of launched
on to the national stage. But it is as you say, we had to ambush
the media and use strategies to come on to the national media
actually to be heard at all. So once you are heard, well, special
things happen to you. That is kind of how it started. During
the swine flu media some of us became very visible, and then
it has escalated from there. Now we have a few voices or a few
people that are commonly known. I would say nationally, more
or less, people recognize our names and they know that we actually
have a position of dissenters or nonconformists.
IS: Michael is absolutely one of them.
HP: Very good, now I wanted to ask you as well
before we get deeper into this then just a little about the
media environment because obviously we have a personal experience
of yours we are going to relate a little bit later. But I think
according to the World Happiness Index, I think that is what
it is called, it is actually a study being done by the Legatum
Institute, it is a globalist think tank, pretty much. One
of the spear-heading gentlemen there is Jeffrey
Gedmin from the Athens Institute and Counsel on Foreign
Relations and some of the other interesting neocon connections
he has,. He has released his index and they, the Legatum Institute
continues to put Norway on the number one spot and there, and
are a couple of parameters for this, for example the economic
situation. There is the so-called "happiness question,"
but also "freedom of the press" and "freedom
of expression" and "freedom of speech" and everything
else. If the situation is the same as it is in Sweden, we certainly
do not have a free press. We have a state-subsidized press,
one that does not bite the hand that feeds it. The critique
is very, very nominal. So an extension to this is of course
that when this indexing think tank comes along to ask people
in Norway for example about questions like, “How corrupt
do you perceive your politicians or your political system to
be?” usually that scores pretty fairly low because people
are not aware of it because an indication of this is that the
press has to first of all talk about these issues so that people
are aware of how corrupt it is. That is the situation I feel
in Sweden. Would you say it is very similar in Norway?
IS: Yes, absolutely, and that is what we will
be talking about basically because projected to us you will
see that there is the image that we live in the best country
in the world, and that our people are the happiest on the planet,
and then occasionally you have polls and you have statistics
that try to embed these facts into our minds so we will never
forget. So if you ask any Norwegian, they have some kind of
automatized repeat button, and they will tell you just how wonderful
our country is. But it --
HP: It is a default answer, right? You get
a default answer from the person you are talking with.
IS: Exactly, because the image projected to
us is so easy to feel the logical dissonance and to feel that
something is not quite right, and that is what we will be touching
upon. And this is very painful actually for the Norwegian people,
and what we experience these days is the pains of waking up
and many people right now see their illusions crumbling, which
is very painful. But before getting more into that, if it is
all right by you I just want to clarify a little more about
IS: Actually what I wanted most of all was
possibly to conclude right away just to insure the conclusion
does not get lost in the details, because as it is, we have
a very clear image of what is wrong with our countries. I would
for one possibly like to be able to describe it quite precisely.
So what I feel or what I actually know is that we the people
in the Scandinavian countries, we have been subjected to a scam
that runs so deep that it is very hard to grasp. So what we
see is that George Orwell’s Animal
Farm has been created within a format that could be
called the welfare state, right?
IS: That is exactly how it is. And then the
objective, the real objective, has been to capitalize to the
max on the human resource and at the same time all kinds of
techniques of social engineering are being actively employed.
So each time we show nonconformity behavior they come along
with some instruments to prod us and to get us back in line.
IS: So actually what we think of as the government,
because we think we have a government and that we are a sovereign
nation state, but my finding is that these governments are actually
nothing more than just platforms. The purpose is to ease the
corporatization of everything that can be sold. So our names,
our birth certificates, our DNA, our signatures, everything
can be sold. As I said, this is the purpose of governments.
The government is in itself is a corporation with owners.
HP: Yes. Well --
IS: And --
HP: Sorry to interrupt, but I have to chime
in there. There is something I have seen as well that the lingo,
the language of that, that comes with the welfare state has
been a scam to begin with. We see nothing for it practically.
I mean, people have to question the services that they get in
return for the alleged services provided by the government.
What I have not understood is that people continue to return
to it as a safety mechanism because they are scared to a certain
extent to be on their own, left on, they are not going to be
left on the outside, but that seems to be kind of a perception
within the Nordic states, that it is: “Ohhh, it is very
important, you know, it is all about security and safety and
that the government is there like your Mommy and Daddy and capture
you in case something happens.” But if something happens,
it is very easy to slip through the cracks because that system
is an illusion there to begin with.
IS: Exactly, and you know it is done very cleverly
too because in Norway and also in Sweden and in Denmark we have
beautiful nature landscapes. Especially Norway which is a very
small and thinly inhabited country. People love the nature,
so do I. I love my country and we have a feeling of closeness
to nature so what the state has done or what has been done has
been kind of to create a kind of association between everything
we love and the state.
IS: Like creating your own little pathways.
When we think of the state we automatically think of everything
we love like the nature, so you know when someone comes along
to criticize the state, people they feel almost grief because
it is as if they are losing everything.
HP: Oh, it is a personal attack. You know?
IS: Yes, it is. So it is as you say there is
no way for most people they can not even begin to conceive how
life would be without the state because we have been born into
the social contract indoctrinated quite heavily since we were
IS: We just haven’t known that it has
been indoctrination. We have thought that we have a free country
and that the things we learn in school are accurate and represent
reality in a very good way, but actually it has been indoctrination.
Some people begin to realize that, but it is painful.
: Well, indeed. And Mike, let us know if
you want to chime in and have anything to add to this as well.
Feel free to just jump into the discussion, OK?
Michael: I do agree very much with the idea
of the Animal Farm. Norwegian socialization is the
absolute best well-kept Animal Farm in this district.
HP: Yes, yes, I could not agree more. It is
a political laboratory. It has been very easy because I think
of the trust in all. There are a couple of professors in Sweden
as well, specifically a guy called Lars Trägårdh
who they wheel out every time they talk about anything that
is Swedish. For example we had that piece, I don’t know
if you guys read that in The Guardian by Michael Booth,
basically that attacked the Scandinavian countries and the model.
[Ed. Note: He probably means the article "Dark
lands: the grim truth behind the 'Scandinavian miracle,'"
by Michael Booth, The Guardian, Monday 27 January 2014.]
I mean, I was very, to the first initial extent I was glad to
see that, but on second side of it I was also disappointed to
see that the critique was kind of misappropriated. It was directed
in the wrong kind of places to a certain extent, but nonetheless
they wheeled out Lars Trägårdh who detailed this
afterwards in The Guardian, and basically defending
the system, and saying that, “No, it is not a totalitarian
state. This is all voluntary. People are agreeing to it.”
[Ed. Note: See "The
grim truth behind the Scandinavian miracle' – the nations
respond" by Michael Booth, Adam Price, Agnes
Bolsø, Eirikur Bergmann, Alexander Stubb and Lars Tragardh,
The Guardian, 5 Feb 2014], But
my point has always been that the social environment that exists
here, the social engineering partitioned with the education
system, the fact that at least in Sweden home schooling has
been banned. It is incredibly homogenized and this kind of image
is being built of how you are supposed to be, and if you break
that mold, if you fall out on the outside of that, you really
feel how narrow it is very quickly and also then it is totalitarian
in nature, you know?
Michael: Not only that, but it describes mediocracy.
HP: Yes, yes.
Michael: It is simply mediocracy. And if you
are an extremist, that also means you are bad when it also can
mean you are extraordinary.
: Exactly, exactly. It works both ways. You
have the crab mentality where basically no one can escape or
do something different and come out of that. But go ahead, Ingunn.
IS: Yes, so actually if you read it is interesting
what you said because my impression is that when you read the
works of people like Bertrand Russell and Aldus Huxley, the
New World and George Orwell also, they have
a futuristic vision of what the scientifically-created society
would be. I think that what you see in the Scandinavian countries
is exactly this. So you see all the mechanisms in place for
eroding family life and how the woman and everyone is asked
to identify with serving the state. [18:40]
IS: The maximal goal in life, actually.
HP: That is right.
IS: And the state will care for your children.
IS: So you can see, what I think is that the
Scandinavian countries must have been consciously chosen to
see what can be created in terms of turning us into submissive
HP: Yes. [19:09]
IS: And what is also true is that one of the
mechanisms that they use is to have a huge state administration
so that half of the people can work for the state and their
job will be to control the rest.
IS: So we keep each other in place.
HP: Exactly, that is very well put. It is a
kind of self-policing -- it is not a police state as you would
think of it because the existence for the militarized police,
you know, the full on guards out there with tasers and acoustic
weaponry and everything, that is not needed because the population
police each other. Right? It is a perfect efficient system in
that way. But it is very important in what you bring up in that
dependency on the state as well. I think in Denmark that over
50%, well, I know that the state is the largest employer. But
one thing that usually people miss as well is that one of the
reasons for the success economically, and we don’t have
to look at Norway’s oil resources as of yet [laughter],
but the fact is that it has been built on at least about a hundred
years of free market before the ideas of Folkhemmet
the socialist kind of environment came into place. That is why
we saw a crash in Sweden back in the 90’s because it was
basically, it managed to perpetuate itself just for so long
before it actually crashed. I think one of the reasons why Norway
has survived is because of the oil funds and can still do the
same behavior, if you know what I mean. [20:29]
IS: Exactly, that is exactly what is happening.
But you know, our countries are very confusing because, yes,
they can still lean on the relative riches or the relative welfare
that they are able to muster, but the thing is that we feel
or what we see is a very subtle form of totalitarianism because
there is a stark contrast between the façade and the
actual things that the governments do. So it is very confusing,
it is like dealing with Hannibal
Lecter. [21:11] It is like
you have smooth operations on the surface and then you see that
Norway promotes itself as the peace negotiating and peace keeping
country, the kind of, on top of the hierarchy of countries with
very noble intentions. So we are very big on promoting ourselves
as the most humanitarian country in the world and the nicest
people. And we are also taught regularly that we are a nation
of good people and we are actually the best in the world at
IS: But then, at the same time, there is a
darker side because it is also reflected in the numbers. And
I will get back to some of the numbers. But you will see that
we are engaged very heavily in military operations in countries
where we really have no business. And the basis for our participation
in Libya and such, it is based on the thinnest public discourse
you would ever see. You hardly need any arguments at all because
people are used to thinking that our government is good and
it has noble intentions.
IS: And it is all right, they can just go to
war, it doesn’t matter. So even if people realize that,
OK, one million people were killed in Iraq due to our interventions,
and we spent billions and billions on aircraft bombing Libya,
there is no connection made in the mind that creates a crack
in your perception of what the state is.
IS: You see the public pension fund, that we
have very good feelings for it because we think that this is
our national pride and are saving us. And then when you see
where they invest the public pension funds, it is into the most
nefarious corporations you could ever think of. So this pension
fund that is referred to all the time and that is supposed to
support us into the future is kind of leaving a trail of unimaginable
brutality behind, and destruction. And also among people they
will feel that the state more and more comes down with an iron
IS: And you see ways of stupid force [sp?,
heard correctly?] I think this is what she said, not sure] it
in a way that we have not seen before, because this has been
an innocent country. [23:57] So we can
see that the public discourse is hardening and that the grip
is tightening. Which is also why many more people are awakening
because the state is becoming more and more brutal in an open
HP: Which is a good thing, you know, ultimately.
Let me just ask you quickly before we leave the government pension
fund because this is actually the Petroleum Fund of Norway,
correct? It is the same one, right?
IS: Yes, that is the one. It is now called
Fund because it has a good name.
HP: A good name, exactly, because now they
cannot associate, you know, oil, petroleum has obviously been
demonized around the world to all the environmentalists and
everything else. You can’t mention anything about that,
right. You can’t face reality, the fact that, yes, we
use petroleum people, just get over it. Or lets bring on a new
energy device to the market here. But nonetheless, surplus oil
money then goes into this one. It is holding, I believe, 1%
of the global equity markets, this fund, which is huge. I mean
it is the largest stockowner in Europe, and this began, I think
Norway discovered oil a little bit earlier, but it started around
the late 60’s, ’69, ’70's, this is when this
began. One of my questions has always been, if this is such
an incredible huge fund, why does Norway not pay off its debt,
for example? Norway still has about 30% of GDP debt. This means
that this is something they could actually sort out with this
fund and actually make sure that all the money that is brought
in is something that is from scratch. They don’t owe the
IMF anything, but they don’t do that. But people also
have a perception that the Sovereign Wealth Fund or the Government
Pension Fund is going to be distributed among the Norwegians.
We, you all have a piece of it, right? You are all going to
be rich some day. You are going to get a hand out from the government.
This is never going to happen, right?
IS: No. It is never going to happen, and there
is some kind of rule, an action rule they call it, that permits
them to use, I think it is 4% of the income of the pension fund
each year on the population. So what is obvious to most people,
because we have this notion of us being the richest country
in the world, is when you look to health care and when you look
to public schooling and such, you will see what happens to all
the money, where do they go? Because you cannot find them. You
cannot see the traces of this distribution of wealth actually
among the people. You can’t see that the infrastructure
is getting better. What you see is the contrary. Everything
is deteriorating. So what I think about the public fund is more
that it is used as an investment platform for corporate forces.
We are told that we have an annual return of I think it is like
13% of the investments we make every year. 13% is very little.
If you are into investing in the stock market, and especially
into the types of corporations that the public investment funds
invest into, then you would expect a much larger return. So
my impression is that this is a kind of pool of money and a
platform for investments that kind of is one example of many
of the transfer of wealth from the grass roots and to the oligarchical
forces in Europe.
HP: Yes, yes.
IS: My impression is that this is what we see.
We see a looting of the people. We see that we lose everything,
and that is dependency. We are told that we are a rich country
but this is actually just an illusion because where is the money?
We don’t see the money.
HP: Well, exactly. I wonder if it is a slush
fund. I mean ultimately it is Norges
Bank investment management that controls the fund, the Norwegian
Central Bank in this case. You know, who is on the board there?
Where does this actually go? People are way too naïve in
the Scandinavian countries and think that there is nothing,
there is no corruption going on. There are not people who line
their own pockets. The fact is the corruption is so brilliantly
veiled in obscurity by the government that, and that also is
why you don’t hear a lot of loud voices out there in Scandinavian
countries speaking up and talking about this, and even if they
were speaking up, there would not be a media environment for
them to speak up in. So the rest of the world has an opinion
that “Oh my God, it has got to be great, right? They are
doing something right because I don’t hear any critique."
Michael: The Norwegian bank and the oil department
are actually registered on the New York Stock Exchange.
Michael: So these are corporative essences.
They don’t have anything to do with governments.
IS: When we spoke about the purpose of government
as a platform for corporatization of everything that can be
sold, actually, I think that might be a central point because
the point seems to be how can we make the most, how can we capitalize
the most on the resources that are available to us. So what
is happening is that in the same way as property can be sold,
countries can also be sold, and assets within it. And the assets
within it is actually you and me and our productive capacity.
So what I think is that Norway is owned by someone, which is
why we see the looting of the country, right?
IS: So in order for the government to obtain
new loans, because it is ridiculous actually that Norway has
foreign, or that they have loans. But that is how it works,
how the scam works, actually, when you understand the scam and
the deeper structures of the scam. So to be able to obtain new
loans the government can lien anything. That is what politics
these days is actually about. I think that I that in Sweden
you had a case of Øresund. The bridge of Øresundsbroen?
IS: The bridge at Øresund was liened
to obtain a 120 billion loan, wasn’t it?
HP: I believe so, yes.
IS: But there has been very little in the media
about that. So what we see is that the apex of the financial
industry, the banks and such, they are actually trading in all
kinds of securities that can be sold and rehypothecated and
rolled over until it all blows up in our faces. What you can
see around us is that among our European brothers and sisters
it has already has blown up in their faces, right? You can see
that from the demonstrations in Spain, for instance, and there
is no coverage of this in our media. So what we actually see
I think in our times, which is why it is so important for us
to speak out, which is why Mike and me do the work we do, is
that we see a very hasty transfer of wealth from the grass roots.
So to sum it up, this is what you see. You see the politics
these days seem to be about getting the signature, getting someone
to sign so that you can have transfer of wealth into the hands
of an oligarchy. That is basically the banks, actually. There
are very few corporations that control the world. And this is
happening so quickly. The pension fund is also used as such
instruments. What we see is that all of our natural resources
are privatized and sold. The water is becoming privatized, the
electricity has been, which is kind of our national gold. So
everything that we used to think was sovereign values, everything
can now be securitized and sold on the open market. This looting
of our countries, which will be leaving us without much, which
will be actually sending us back into poverty. And this is happening
in Europe. This is the reason for us now reacting and asking
the people, “Please wake up and please realize for once
what is going on.” Secondly what you are consenting to
because this can only happen through your consent.
IS: So if you wake up and see through this
game, and that is a very good vantage point for taking our powers
back and our future back. [33:10]
HP: I just want to comment on that too because
just what you mentioned is absolutely true about the selling
of the public assets. Then another fallacy on top of is that
people mistake that for being free market, or so-called capitalism,
when for example we had a guest on who actually was one of the
persons that visited the Bank
of International Settlements, those meetings in Basel, Joan
Veon. We still have that in the archives for people. But she
brought this up and talked about what is known as public, private,
partnership, PPP. This is the selling of public assets. And
then you have of course a few people from within government,
for example, those on the board, on a company that actually
managed to get the contracts to purchase these assets. So you
have very few people controlling it, and the company though
is still under the management of government, they are still
under the restrictions and rules set by government, so there
are going to be tariffs and fees there, so it is win-win situation
where governments still can kind of by proxy controls it, but
you have a small amount of private people who can own the assets
and make money on it, but the government makes money on it as
well. So again it this perfect merger of two different systems
that seemingly would clash and clash, but the fact is they have
managed to pull this off with public, private partnership. So
it is not free market, and it has nothing to do with that.
IS: No, it is not at all free market. In no
way. But my impression is even maybe more radical than yours,
but I might be wrong, but my impression is definitely that the
banks own us and that a scam was pulled where we went bankrupt
in the 30’s after the general bankruptcy in ’29
and we were forced into agreements with the banks. When we then
became illiquid after that we became the property of the banks.
So what I think is that what we think of as our nations are
owned by the banks. The banks own us and control us and we can
see that also from documentation. It is very easy to see how
the European central banks through Basel and through the Basel
1, 2, 3 --
IS: Have a stranglehold on regulation and this
is absorbed into Norwegian law as passed and passed for Norwegian
law, but has nothing to do with Norwegian law at all. But from
documentation that we have seen from the World Bank, we can
clearly see that the Norwegian central bank is an account in
the World Bank, and that the World Bank is also owned by the
Basel. This is the apex of the forces that run us. And to be
able to pull this scam, to pull this illusion of freedom while
we really are slaves, just in modern form, it is as if they
had to create something called the welfare state and something
that pretends as the sovereign state and where you have illusions
of real politicians having real power. But when you look to
the legislative powers which are the expression of the people
or are supposed to be in the so-called democratic countries,
then you see that they have no power any more. None at all.
So also gradually the sovereign powers have been signed off.
Now the people, when they go to the election polls, and they
choose between the area of parties that they think will make
change politically, what they don’t know really is that
there is no representation any longer within the government
and the Constitution is by no means upheld.
IS: They really don’t realize how much
of our sovereignty has been signed off.
HP: Yes, and you guys in Norway are still not
part of the European Union but you have tons of economic agreements
with them which still you are really under the thumb of the
European Union anyway, so it is another illusion, basically.
IS: Yes, because you know, if you count the
laws, because the sole purpose of the parliament is to legislate,
to give laws, and then you actually expect the laws to come
to us, to the people, and are filtrated down through the system
come from the Parliament. But then if you go to the database
where there is something called law data [sp?], then you can
actually count the laws and compare the laws and see how many
laws were there before the European Union and how many laws
are there now, and how many laws have come from the European
Union. So then when you count the laws you actually see that,
I would say 95% of all of our legislation comes from the European
Union. It is funny because Norway is the country that is the
most loyal to the European Union and 99.7[%] of the directives
which are called laws that we get from the European Union are
passed as laws or as directives, statutes. So I think that this,
the image promoted to us of who we are, is as you say. We are
told we are the most proper people, good in hygiene, good in
keeping the rules, good in conforming, and the purpose of conforming
is that we show solidarity towards one another. So we have these
standards of conduct that make us into very obedient slaves,
actually. And actually make us proud when we can say, “Oh,
we are conforming very nicely to the standards presented by
the EU and such.”
HP: [Laughter]. Well, this is positive reinforcement
training. You do the same with dogs. Well done, little boy,
here you go, here is a treat, you know, well done. It is absolutely
the same thing, and it is done on very, very base level. But
the fact is that this as well to reemphasize that point, this
is a successful system that has been put in place when the globalist
meeting takes place and when, what is the Prime Minister over
there in Norway again called, his name Stoltenberg, right? When
he goes to the World Bank meetings and all the other economic
meetings around in Europe and promotes the Nordic model as,
this is like, you should start looking at this now, because
this, ladies and gentlemen, this is it, we have it! We have
found it. We know how to control them. The question of course
is if this is going to be successfully, actually applied to
other populations. There is a lot that speaks against that,
but nonetheless, I think a tweaking, a subtle change in adaptation
to other cultures and other nations might able to be a successful
task for them to actually create that totalitarian state that
also Huxley talked about. That people are going to love their
servitude, that actually want it, we need it, you know?
IS: It is also cracking up. We can see that
it is cracking up and I think that is unexpected for our governing
forces. So if you want to, maybe we can touch a little upon
the means of control that they actually use to keep us in line.
HP: Yes, certainly.
IS: Yes, because it is very interesting. It
is so fascinating that people don’t see through this,
the techniques, because you can very well see techniques of
mind control and social engineering techniques are being used
on you. So maybe we can begin a little with the media because
the media is the primary tool used to keep us in check, in shocking
ways, very often actually. So what we see is that in order to
keep us in place, they need to have the media as a tool to kind
of fixate a world view and also make opposition impossible because
if you oppose then you are hanged out to dry in front of the
whole nation. So what they need is a very narrow world view
that can easily be controlled.
HP: And you felt this, sorry to interrupt,
but you felt this first hand because you have been appointed
to be that kind of person in certain settings, right? When you
talk negatively about the vaccinations for example, or anything
else, where you basically break the mold of the established
view on any issue, really, you have for a little bit been the
go-to person, so you have experienced that first hand of how
it is to be put on the outside and basically ridiculed on that
IS: Very much. What they do primarily when
you get out out of line and want to take the conversation or
discourse into another direction is that they start tagging
you and name-calling you, kind of based on advanced rules which
are trauma-based mind control. So when you have a trauma that
is deeply embedded in the minds of the people, in the psyche,
such as the Holocaust, the Norwegian killings at UtØya
in 2011, when you actually hint to these events, and associate
them to your name, then people are immediately repulsed. So
if you speak against the government you will immediately be
called an anti-Semite
IS: Or on the other hand they will be hinting
that OK, you are supporting Anders Behring Breivik.
HP: Yes, I know, that is funny.
IS: And checkmate and then you are just expelled
from the game.
IS: And you are placed under the radar of the
national NSA and registered on their list as promoting hatred.
HP: Sure, oh yes, yes.
IS: Even if what you really promoted, what
I am promoting and all the people like me is the opposite. We
promote no wars, no killings, no GMO’s, no pesticides.
So what the governments do is actually play us like fiddles
through the emotional programming we were filled up with since
we were children. But it is interesting to see because you touched
briefly upon that, and the tools that you use, the state uses
some agencies to promote the scientific world view such as the
human ethical society for instance. They also pay a wide range
of Internet trolls and bloggers, right?
IS: Yes, so these so-called humanist organizations
are very much related to these more militant arms of the skeptic
societies. So what we see is that they actually place university
professors in strategic positions, and then they can just pretend
to represent the expertise and will always be called upon if
the media needs an opinion from someone, they will always call
upon these. So they have a list of people that they always call,
HP: Oh, definitely, exactly.
IS: And they can be relied upon because they
will kind of instill the established consensus within the people
and they will never speak wrong words.
HP: And that is another culture. We have talked
about that before on the program on our series we have done
on Sweden, specifically. But this again is very much incorporate
all of the Nordic countries, really, but just this idea of the
collective identification within each individual. I mean, I
would argue that there isn't such a thing as an individual within
the Nordic model, or within the Scandinavian society at large,
but nonetheless there is a way that you always seek external
verification for something. If something happens, you know,
you wait for the expert to come on to the TV and tell you what
to think about issue A or B. It is very much a non-engaging
kind of process that people who are involved in where they basically
wait for the external authority to tell them either what to
do or how to react or what to think about something, and it
is very easily absorbed and there is no thinking or no processing
further of that. I am not really sure yet how they have managed
to create that kind of person, but it seems to be pretty much
like 99% of the population, if even maybe more, are like that,
and then there are a few people like yourself who see through
this and have managed to speak up in some manner against that,
IS: I can never really understand how it is
possible for the people not see these connections because we
have some incidents such as the swine flu outbreak. These incidents
alone would be enough to tear the paradigm wide open if the
people could realize what really happened. Because you know,
when the swine flu broke out, the coverage in the Norwegian
media was unanimously urging you to take the vaccine. There
was not even one medical doctor who came to voice a dissent.
Everywhere you would find little posters in the schools and
in the government agencies urging you to take the vaccines.
So when we translated the investigation of Jane Burgermeister
it was blatantly obvious that a scam was being forced upon us.
We had access to all kinds of scientific reports readily available
to anyone and telling you quite clearly of the dangers of narcolepsy.
So what we did was we formed an action group and we went on
to national television and we told the people this is going
to happen. If you take this vaccine you might have narcolepsy
because it has happened before in the States in '76, and it
is also a known danger of squalene, one of the adjuvants of
the vaccine. So we, the lay people, normal people from the street,
we knew all of this, and we could refer to scientific reports.
The state-authorized panel of experts, they said, “No,
no, the vaccine is absolutely safe,” and they knew nothing
of this. So what happened was exactly as we predicted, that
a number of children now suffer and they have their lives ruined
from this, from the narcolepsy. So the one conclusion that you
have to draw is that we do have a government that is willing
to inflict suffering and pain upon the people on purpose to
serve their corporate masters. There is no other conclusion
to be drawn. So I just can’t see how can people live with
these conclusions and still think everything is OK.
HP: Well I think it is a very deep, not only
subconscious identification with authority but just something
they even consciously know that if you have lived your life,
or you have used the state or government authority as the crutches
to your own life, if you are to remove those, if you are to
expose those for the lies that they are, the fact that they
don’t have your best interests at heart, they don’t
give a sh*t about you, if you come to that realization, that
would mean that the way that you have lived your life and the
way you have supported yourself for all that time is going to
crumble underneath you and you are literally not going to be
able to stand on your own feet, or your own legs because of
that. You won’t be able to carry your own weight. So it
is that dependency I think that is so dangerous, and again,
I think that is why from a psychological point of view they
have pushed the idea of security and safety and this is going
to be something that is external to you. It is not
something where you are your own master of your own life, you
rule yourself, you judge yourself, you make your own decisions,
but it is always completely external and therefore they defend
the state because they are in fact the state. [50:36]
IS: Exactly. Sometimes I think that it is as
if the population is suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome where
you actually love your abuser.
IS: Because so many people are so scared of
waking up because they might even perceive that there is a contrast
between what we are told and what really is. So it is so scary
for them to wake up. What they often say to me, they kind of
cling to the illusion that at least things are better in Norway
than in the rest of the world.
HP: [Laughter] Yes.
IS: They tell me "Would you rather live
in Somalia or some place like that?" And then they are
happy. So they are happy with the minimum. But one very confusing
point is that the politicians that we see, the visible ones,
they are nice people, and we can readily identify with them.
We also can see the King, he is going for walks in the forest
and he is a nice person. And then it is so subtle. The scam
is so subtle, because you kind of sense that these can’t
be the people in charge, which they aren’t, basically.
IS: Yes, so the puppet-masters that actually
pull the threads of the marionettes, we don’t see them.
HP: That’s right.
IS: What we see is the external realities.
We can’t dig any deeper than what we see on the surface.
Probably that is because we see that the Prime Minister is a
very nice person, she really is, and so it is easy to feel trust.
Michael: Erma Solberg is now the Prime Minister
HP: Oh, so you guys have a new one?
HP: So there was a recent election then?
Michael: Stoltenberg, the worker party, lost
the election to the right wing party
HP: And how right wing is that right wing party,
because if it is as it is in Sweden, then the moderates, they
are the new working party, they are just the same as the Social
Democrats. Is it the same in Norway?
Michael: Well, yes, I think so.
IS: It is exactly the same.
HP: It is a fraud. I mean, they are not conservative.
There isn’t any Conservative Party in the Nordic countries.
Michael: And now the ex-Prime Minister from
Norway, Stoltenberg, is the Secretary for NATO.
HP: Ah, OK, so he took over the role of the
previous Dane, what is his name, again? He was the head of NATO
for a while there.
Michael: It is a swing door policy.
HP: Interesting. It is a lot of northerners
that have become the heads of NATO. That is very, very interesting,
of course because they are promoting peace and neutrality, right?
Sweden is the biggest munitions manufacturing per capita in
the world, so there you have that. But --
IS: I thought that was us. So that is you!
Michael: I think Norway is gaining on Sweden
HP: On weapons manufacturing?
HP: Oh really?
Michael: The boats maker [sp?] hyperexclusive
HP: Interesting. Yes, well maybe you are. The
latest statistics I read, Sweden was still pretty much number
one, but that was a couple of years ago, so maybe that has changed
now. That is interesting.
Michael: I also do believe that we make DU
ammunition in Norway.
HP: Depleted uranium?
HP: Well that would be interesting. Are you
guys shipping that in from somewhere or are you using the nuclear
Michael: I used to be an advertising photographer.
I had them as my client once. They do advanced stuff. I have
heard from people in the military that have family working there
that say, yes, they do produce DU ammunition.
HP: Wow, all right. That is interesting. Now
guys, I think we should take a little short break here in a
while. We want to give out some details and stuff before we
do. I just want to say that Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, Finns,
Icelanders, you name it, need to find the pulse of their ancestors
again and find some heroism, some brave tendencies and learn
to identify what it really used to be as part of these countries,
and step away from this idea that there is an identification
with the state and that the state rules over you as a subject
to it. I think it is really important time to do that, because
otherwise this is going to be completely lost. The control is
so adamant at this stage. But as you said, nonetheless Ingunn,
you said that very eloquently that as the iron fist becomes
more obvious, as the control grip gets tighter, there are more
and more people that are beginning to wake up from that. So
that is something that we do have to work in our advantage,
if you will.
IS: Absolutely. And I think that is what makes
this possible is the growing spirituality that you can see in
belonging to explore our background. Could be within the Viking
mythology but also generally you see the growing spirituality,
and as for me it is the universe that has held me through this.
HP: Yep, yep, very good. Now, yes, let’s
give out some details, guys. Ingunn, you set up the web site.
I don’t know how long you have been running it, but please
give us the URL for that so people know where to go. Is that
primarily in Norwegian or is it some English writing you have
there as well?
IS: So sorry, but it is just in Norwegian.
As it is, we will be translating it as soon as we can. But for
the record it is Sigurdsdatter.com.
HP: Oh boy, do you want to spell that for us,
or should I link that up for people who want to find that?
IS: It is my last name, actually.
HP: It is S-i-g-u-r-d-s-d-a-t-t-e-r.com. OK,
we will have that up. Mike, do you have a web site that you
want to give out?
Michael: No web site. The only thing I have
is blogtalkradio which is called Michael’s
Round Table Talk, that has a facebook page. [56:50]
HP: We are talking with Ingunn Sigurdsdatter
about Norway, the happiest place in the world. And of course
breaking down the myth that Norway is one of the best countries
to live in, in the world. One conclusions, though, of this is
that if Norway is the best place in the world, then we are in
deep trouble, and we have not managed to achieve much. In fact,
this would be a that the prison planet is well under way and
that conformity and control is the main objective. That is kind
of some of the things we will talk about here in the second
hour as well as we get deeper into the experiment, the political
laboratory that has been the Nordic countries and Scandinavia.
But Ingunn, I want to ask you more about what actually happened
to you. We have not got into this yet. The cops came knocking
on your door. I mean this is something, as you have started
to feel now as an “outsider,” I guess to a certain
extent, of how easy it is for you to navigate in Norwegian society
now when you have kind of tried to set yourself outside it basically,
because you know as we have been talking about before, Norwegian
and Swedish and Danish society, Finnish and Icelandic too to
an extent, is all about conformity. If you bump up against those
edges of the play pen of the country you feel pretty darn quick
how limited we are really. So tell us what happened to you,
and give us that story, Ingunn. [58:09]
IS: Yes, I will. I will also give you a little
background on why I became sovereign. But before that I will
tell you an actual story, and what led up to it. Because what
I did was that I turned in my citizenship and I didn’t
have to do it with bravado or with commotion. But I actually
did it. So technically it would have been enough to tell the
government or the administration that there had been a mistake
since they seem to assume that there existed some contract between
us. But what I wanted to do was with my example to inspire other
people, actually to try to contribute to reducing the crimes
committed by the state and creating awareness around these matters.
So what I did was I went to the mayor’s office and I brought
my passport and I called the newspapers before, because this
is the nature of the media that they are all so vain and they
like good stories. So I knew that this would probably be irresistible
for them to accompany me to the mayor’s office and see
me turning in my passport. So that is what I did. This story
actually became the most read story of the area of this newspaper.
And then when I made such a statement on the front pages, the
local authorities immediately had to come and make a counter
statement the next day claiming that everyone living on Norwegian
soil had to conform to Norwegian law and that it would be impossible
actually to secede from the state. And then I made a counter
reply also in the newspaper on the whole page saying that it
wasn’t really relevant to me what the government’s
response was because it was exactly their jurisdiction that
I challenged and I didn’t believe in. [1:00:26]
HP: What paper was that, by the way, and how
come they agreed to give you such space there?
IS: Exactly, because this was a local newspaper.
It was the county newspaper called Telemark
IS: The [more recent name is] Telemarksavisa.
So when you go to the local level even if the story comes out
in a small newspaper when the story has transcendence, it is
immediately picked up by everyone so very quickly it had been
shared many thousand times on Facebook and such. So even a small
newspaper can be used as a channel to bring forth this information
and had they known the criticism that they would get afterwards
they would have thought twice most likely. But what I have come
to understand is that the media is kind of a double-edged sword
because you can also use it to your advantage because the media
has an interest in publishing things that everyone would like
to read. They are like prostitutes in that sense. [1:01:48]
HP: All for the numbers, yes.
IS: So if you can get their interest in some
way, sometimes they will swallow the bait. And so they did.
Then the role that I carved for myself was that of a guinea
pig, which means that all of a sudden everybody knew what I
had done, and all eyes were on me, which is what I wanted. Because
to put yourself up against the government is actually dangerous,
so I knew that I had to be in the middle of the bull’s
eye because that is where you are most protected. For me, I
was very curious to see how the government would react after
that because what I did was very intimidating for them. So far
there has just been one direct encounter and what happened there
was what you actually saw and that is how you found me.
HP: Yes, the video when, who was filming that,
by the way?
IS: That was a friend, and by the grace of
the universe he was with me that day.
IS: I was so lucky. The government has done
various things to harass me, but none of them as directly as
on this day. So what happened was that just to make a living
I now do other things that I used to do before. So I give clairvoyant
readings, I wash houses, and I do spring rolls for sale. So
then one day someone called me from the regional mattensene
[spelling? Did I hear this correctly?] it is called, which is
the national food and drug authority, the FDA, and they told
me that they heard that I was producing spring rolls. And the
way that they knew was by means of anonymous informers because
that is how it works.
HP: Someone was snitching on you, hunh?
IS: Snitching on me! Which was kind of cute
because I am snitching on myself every day. [Laughter].
HP: Right, right.
IS: Which is what I do is actually to always
publish very openly my intentions and the things I do so then
someone snitched on them saying that, probably saying that she
is producing spring rolls and she isn’t paying taxes.
Maybe you should look into that.
HP: Oh God, yes.
IS: So they called me and they said we hear
you are producing spring rolls. I said, “Yes I do, and
they are very good also, would you like to order?” Then
they told me, or I told them we need to continue this conversation
by mail because it is very important always to have written
record of the things that take place as a protection. So they
mailed me and they said in a very kind way, “Well you
know, we can help you actually to establish a more secure production
and we can give you some good advice on how to produce these
spring rolls.” Then I told them, “Oh, thank you,
that was a very kind offer,” but I declined because I
already know these things. “So thank you but no thank
you.” And then they mailed me back a little more condescending
this time saying that, “OK, then probably you also know
it is your duty to register your enterprise.” Then I said,
“OK, but actually your jurisdiction doesn’t apply
to me because I am not any longer a part of the state.”
So then they fell silent for some time, and one day I woke up
early in the morning and then at my door were two ladies, smiling,
saying “Hello, we are from the FDA, can we come to inspect
HP: [Laughter]. That’s funny.
IS: I said, “Oh, no, sorry, you cannot.
HP: So it was all good vibes, no kind of anger
HP: It is funny, because, this is what I have
been trying to describe to people as well, it is very much,
it is a tyranny, but it comes in a velvet glove. It's helpful.
"We are not here to hurt you. We just want to help you.”
Unless you continue to resist what they want you to impose on
you. Then you will feel a strong force after some time. But
yes, do go on.
IS: Exactly, and just another point, as a sovereign,
in the old days, and as a general rule, you always lost your
legal standing if you were in dishonor or if you did not treat
other people honorably. So to me it is kind of a point always
to be honorable. To treat other people honorably. So I feel
that very many in the public discourse, they are very angry
with the government, so they become abusive. But we had a very
nice conversation, and then I said “Chow, chow,”
and after one week or so, they came back in the morning once
again, then with a police man. Luckily I had a friend to stay,
I had a friend visiting, so I went in to get him to ask him
to film what went on. So we came to the door, and I said that
“Hello, we will be filming this.” And the police
officer said, “No, absolutely not.” I said “Oh
yes.” And he said, “No, that is not going to happen.”
My friend said, “You know, this is actually private territory,
so what on grounds?” He was actually more strict so he
said, “That’s not your choice, this is private property.”
HP: Right, yes.
IS: So the police officer quite visibly felt
embarrassed and insecure.
HP: He tried to call you out, right, like step
outside of your own property kind of thing so we can actually
IS: He came back to me and spoke in a very
authoritarian, very deep voice. Saying, “OK, so step outside
with me.” And my friend said, “And who are you?”
And he felt his police [unintelligible]. And he said, “I
am the local police.” So I just told him, “On what
legal basis do you ask me to come with [you]?
HP: Well you are the known spring roll terrorist,
haven’t you heard? Yes.
IS: [Laughter]. So actually he tried four times
to call me out, and you know he was very insecure but he kind
of took on the Dirty
Harry attitude and tried to intimidate me with the use of
authority in the traditional sense. I just kept standing, and
they actually had to leave while we were filming all of it.
Since then they have not come back. But on the next day the
local newspaper came and also the local media and then we were
all on television. They told me that, “Well, someone has
apparently fallen ill from eating your spring rolls.”
HP: Oh God.
HP: Oh boy.
IS: You know, the authorities are actually
known to fabricate evidence, and they do it all the time.
HP: Sure. Yes.
IS: So they also said on the television because
the reporter asked what will you do next. Will you apply the
use of force? They said, “Oh no, by no means, we just
want dialog.” So when I was on TV the same night I actually
told them that "You are very welcome to visit me in my
home to enter into dialog with me. I will not enter it under
your jurisdiction. So it is not about legal issues. In a friendly
way we can come together and we can have a conversation."
So then, I did not hear anything else, and yes, they mailed
me saying, “No thank you, but we will call you to come
to our office because we would like to inform you of your legal
rights.” Then I just mailed them, saying, “Sorry,
actually your jurisdiction doesn’t apply.”
IS: So far that was the end of it.
HP: How long ago was that since we are speaking
now here on the 10th of April, how long ago was this?
IS: Well the last conversation or the last
contact we had was yesterday. Yes, so they sent me the evidence
that they had got from the informer who claimed that someone
had fallen ill. So they actually had two pieces of evidence
and one of them didn’t carry a date. No names, nothing.
Just a simple note saying that someone has fallen ill, probably
over your spring rolls. And that was it. The other one had a
date and was actually a genuine informer’s note. So it
said that, 'Well, this person is producing spring rolls and
not paying taxes, and this is the evidence.” Then they
had screenshots of some of my comments from Facebook. Yes, so
that is how far we got.
HP: Oh boy. Wow, so, yes, they are trying to
obviously intimidate you to get you to bow down. So what is
your next step is? Are you afraid of this, because obviously
as we have seen in the past, you know, if it goes far enough,
they don’t only knock on your door, they break down the
door and just come and grab you. Are you afraid of that? [1:12:39]
IS: I am not afraid, actually, because in my
case the decisions that I have taken in my life have come parallel
with also a spiritual life or realizations on an inner level
and I feel that I am protected, actually. I really am not afraid
because I have been through so many processes to shred all of
my belief systems and all minor blockings, so what I feel is
actually trust and bliss and I feel very happy. What I irradiate
to the people is calm and happiness and friendliness, I think.
So that is a very potent weapon, actually. It is some kind of
very silent revolution, very peaceful, very friendly revolution.
There is no way that they can come track this because as long
as I remain in honor with the words that I choose and with my
actions, and as long as I am heard and visible, that is actually
very hard to do something about. So it is kind of a standing
that I have chosen for myself, consciously, and we are also
doing some legal measures like establishing a people’s
jury. The purpose of it is simply to put the government on the
spot, asking them where they derive their authority from, because
that is the one question they can not dare being asked this
question because it is so compromising for them.
HP: I think it will be a self-referencing reference
pretty much that go back to some kind of legal paragraph, or
something like that, saying “This proves we have authority.”
Well, you just wrote that on a piece of paper, so I can write
that on a piece of paper and counteract you with the same authority.
So it is kind of silly obviously when one really gets down to
the nitty and gritty of the structure of this kind of level
of authority, but one thing I wanted to ask you about, that
is how did this, when you were attempting then to write yourself
out of this system or the authority that they claimed they hold
over you, how did that kind of language work in that regard?
Was this something you studied before hand or was it very much
kind of off the cuff just a simple kind of layman’s terms
type of wording on this or did you use some legalese and that
kind of stuff in it? [1:15:29]
IS: Well actually in terms of the preliminary
process, I have for a long time been very discontent and feeling
of course that something was wrong. I have been kind of afraid
to open the mail box. Afraid to lag behind on some reports to
be turned into the government. Some bills to be paid. And when
I really woke up to how the world is put together, and the pieces
started to fall into place, it just became more unbearable by
the day to have any association whatsoever with the government
because the government promotes cruelty to an enormous extent.
We both know that.
IS: So I felt that I actively contributed to
promoting this cruelty when I am a citizen, but it was really
not until the government started applying pressure on me that
I was kind of able to wake up and shake off this trance because
I told you how they tried to put us down through the media in
very vicious ways, actually. And what they do when you speak
up, when you are a non-conformist is that they try to demonize
you first, and if it doesn’t work, they try to break you
economically. So that is what they did to me. What happened
to me is that the pressure that they applied to me kind of made
my inside burst and out came sovereign woman. So I was very
discontent in not knowing exactly how to act and what to do.
And then, I just woke up one morning and knew kind of within
every cell of my body that I could not consent, not even for
one more day, to being governed, and especially by such brute
force. In our culture we have not been taught to kind of recognize
the truth from the lie in a good way so we are not used to listening
to the body and recognizing the signals. But when I took the
position of becoming sovereign I could just feel that my whole
body responded with joy and with happiness, as if shaking off
a veil. The same thing actually happened to me that my body
responded very loudly or clearly when I changed my name and
lost the name that the government owns, my previous name. I
took my father’s name.
HP: So you went back and took your Dad’s
IS: Yes, I chose it. I chose myself actually,
which is not the legal person name.
HP: Right. OK
IS: So it is not the registered name in any
way. So what I did then is I wrote to the King and to the government,
just making statements that are a declaration of sovereignty,
stating that I now consider myself a sovereign woman and I disassociate
from any implied contract that has been forced on me by birth.
You know I was very careful to chose my own wording but not
using legalese terms really because legalese does not apply,
not really. It is more about knowing who you are, and knowing
that you as a living person can never be forced to enter into
a jurisdiction forced on you by other human beings. So I stated
that I was a living woman, living sovereign woman, not any more
a legal, fictitious person, and gave my reasons for this. So
far I have not received any response and I really don’t
need also to receive any response. But I did contact the legal
department on some occasions. What I experienced is that the
government employees are helpless because they cannot possibly
engage in this kind of conversation because it is beyond their
scope. Also there isn’t any language, or what is it called,
it is not terminology that they are even versed within.
IS: So they don’t know what to say, so
they just respond on autopilot actually, always giving automatized
HP: So what address did you use to send this?
One you sent to Harald, right, the King then, and where did
you send the other one?
IS: I sent it to the Department of Justice.
I am also not the only one. A number of people have actually
done the same thing as I have. What I see is that even if in
the beginning people became actually kind of aggressive towards
me and feeling threatened by my actions, now, new terminology
has been introduced into the public discourse so many more people
have awareness of this and they have begun to discuss statehood
and the basis for the powers of the state, which is amazing.
So it raised awareness, which actually was my purpose, has happened.
But to me, what I actually felt on a spiritual level was that
because I went to something called the Princess Martha Spiritual
School. It is actually in Norwegian called the angel school.
It is really just transmitting esoteric knowledge. And so--
HP: Let me ask you about that, sorry, was it
Louise of Norway, is that the one?
IP: Yes, she is the one.
HP: So what is her -- I am not saying that
she is on the same page as you are and what not -- but obviously
there is a tie-in with the royalty there who has been representative
of the very legal structure that we are basically talking about
here. Today of course they fill quite a different role. I don’t
know how the position exactly is politically or what kind of
enforcement power King Harald has in Norway, but nonetheless
there is a tie-in there. So did she, I don’t know if you
spoke to her directly or anything, but if so is she aware of
any of this?
IS: There is actually also a tie between us
and I genuinely think that she is not aware of any of this or
that she has not given it any concentration whatsoever. She
was very brave in coming forth and promoting this school and
this kind of knowledge because --
HP: Sorry to cut you off again, but just to
clarify that she was kind of, it was a little more of a New
Age kind of, in that environment a little bit, right? She had
a psychic spiritualism and some kind of things like that, right,
in her school?
IS: Just to clarify that I am not in any way
on the New Age page whatsoever.
IS: And I absolutely apply the spiritual principles
and practice into my life which is why I am coming forth as
a sovereign person or woman. But I have been one of the critics
of the king’s role, actually, because it is always diminished
to us. We are told that but he doesn’t have any formal
IS: He is actually, he has signature powers,
which is the real power. That is how power is defined.
IS: So he is actually the culprit. He is the
source of the cruelty, really. There is no other way of putting
it. That is confusing to people because, and you know the anatomy
of power is not so easy to understand always because all it
takes is signing a piece of paper, and you can be conscious
or unconscious of that. But that is the King’s role, actually.
HP: Right. Yes. He is the face of it, nonetheless,
whether he knows it, or likes it, or whatnot, yes.
IS: Yes, exactly. So these are probably painful
realizations, and I don’t think that they have come to
grips with this aspect at all. But for me, what I realize is
that sovereignty also has a spiritual aspect and that opening
up your energies and your crown chakra
depends on not having someone invading your energetic field.
So what I felt very strongly was that what the government does
is kind of hacking into your energetic field and preventing
your crown chakra from functioning. When you see the sovereigns,
they actually wear a gold crown. Both in a spiritual sense and
in a practical sense, that bears meaning. So the significance
of it is actually that we have an energy field open because
they have no ties or no bonds to any other authority, any entity,
trying to feed off their energy, actually.
HP: Yes. So let’s see here if there is
anything else we need to discuss there in detail about that
in terms of what the effects of this are, not only of course
in terms of your own life you think, but also what the ramifications
are with this. Do you sincerely believe that there is any kind
of department within the government that actually can process
anything of what you have actually sent to them, or is it just
basically that they are trying to determine what they are to
do with this in the mean time? Trying to figure it out in some
way. I guess that is usually why they fall silent, right? This
is something for them also. They can take years I guess to draw
out the process, I guess, I don’t know.
IS: I think it all depends on us actually and
our ability to go beyond the level of the government and realizing
that we hold the actual powers.
HP: Sure. Yes.
IS: And the radical realization that we have
actually the right to live without being ruled because we are
always told that if we don’t have a ruler everything will
just become chaos and deteriorate.
IS: And as I see it it is the exact opposite
actually. So what governments do is that they bestow upon themselves
the powers to commit crimes that none of us can do. So governments,
they can instigate wars, promote destruction of the environment,
and rob the population, and we as individual people would be
so heavily punished for these crimes.
HP: Yes. That is right.
IS: As I see it, this is what government really
is. And as I see it when we can sense through governments these
destructive forces, we abandon our responsibility, which is
a very comfortable thing to do. It is very easy to lean against
the government and rely on them and feel that you are taken
care of. But as I see it, that is not what we are doing on this
HP: And that won’t last, either. Sorry
to interrupt again but you might be comfortable for people for
a while. It might be for, and I am not saying it has been for
our generations now, necessarily, but the violence that they
exuberate is definitely more cyclical, if I can put it that
away, as opposed to physical, but nonetheless, it might be comfortable
for a while, but we know that if human beings don’t stand
up to the tyrannical system around them they will take more
power, they will take more money, they will take more laws than
what we had, and eventually if it is not us, it will be two
or three generations down the line now that will have to fight
the tyranny for us. So our comfort that we wanted is something
that is going to get a reaction further down the line, if you
know what I mean.
IS: Yes, exactly. But it also has to do with
liability in a legal sense because if you seem isolated if you
look to the legal world, there is a book called The Heuristic
Person by an author called George S. Sticer [sp?]. And
he actually states very clearly that we are just as much an
accomplice to the crimes committed by the corporation which
is the government. It is our fault. We are just as much guilty
as the government is of the crimes and the brutality carried
outside the government. So what we tend to do is to kind of
alienate the blame from ourselves. We think that hasn’t
got anything to do with us at all. It actually does. When you
are a legal person, as we all are, then we are actually responsible
for the things the corporation does. When you are a natural
man or woman, you are just as guilty of the crimes that you
commit yourself. So this actually runs very deep. It carries
an existential meaning also. This all raises very important
questions. And we can’t avoid them for long because the
moment has come to address them.
IS: What we see is that this is also a global
tendency. So the work of heroes in many countries is rubbing
off on me and other people like me in Norway and in other Scandinavian
HP: Yes, exactly. People agree to it since
they continue to fund it. That is the most fundamental basic
level to it that the whole apparatus in itself of government
--of course as we know most cities, I don’t know about
municipalities necessarily, but cities are obviously incorporated.
Even the very notion, the whole notion of being a corporation
is an idea that has been dreamt up by the government. It is
a legal framework that they have put into place, you know. But
nonetheless that means to a certain extent that they might be
primarily seeking profit as opposed to working as an advantage
to the people who fund it, but nonetheless if people continue
to fund it, then it will maintain, and the fact is that since
it doesn’t generate any money on its own, but just does
it as a parasitical entity which takes from everyone else and
then distributes accordingly to what it thinks is good and also
on top of it they take a lot of that money and it goes into
the wrong coffers. There is corruption on top of that so it
ends up in the pockets of people who are within politics. That
is really where people need to start standing up to it. I think
there is nowhere in the world as that particular aspect that
is that difficult than it is in Scandinavia when it comes to
that particular aspect about money and taxes and just the immense
power that the state has in these countries.
IS: Yes, that is right. I also feel that it
is a mental short cut to understand that we are the actual chattel
of the government. That they are trading up, actually, completely,
and our governments are all of them registered on the Washington,
D.C. recorder of deeds so they are registered corporations.
The Kingdom of Sweden is easily found. [1:33:19]
HP: Yes, I found it. I saw it.
IS: Yes, you are right. So the purpose of this,
it is as if registration is kind of the way of trapping us.
When we are entered into registration we also become practically
the property of someone. This is also why we had to be registered
as persons or legal persons. Then the government actually holds
the security interest over us and can kind of operate under
merchant law which has nothing to do with what we think is the
Norwegian law. So the way that they have been trading our birth
certificates and our biomat [sp? Did she mean bio data?], everything
that can be traded is a point that goes home to a lot of people.
HP: Yes, absolutely. Now I don’t want
to shift focus too much, if there is more of course that you
want to say about this too, but there are a couple of other
aspects that we could discuss. It has to do for example with
how there has been a lot of people forcefully admitted into
mental hospitals in not only in Norway, but in Sweden too. There
has been a long history of eugenics programs running a lot of
experiments. I think some of the first experiments on the electronic
versions of mind control and implantable chips to affect the
brain and whatnot was actually done in Sweden for the longest
time. You have aspects like the lebensborn, for example. The
children of German soldiers and Norwegian mothers in Norway
has been one of the most suppressed groups ever. They were experimented
on with LSD. They were raped, et cetera. This horrible history
that they have been trying to cover up, so things are not as
nice and dandy of course. Again, to go back to that initial
point we talked about more in the first hour of that external
façade that people only see, you know.
IS: That is a very good point actually because
when we are told that this is the best country in the world,
we are each told that in different ways in the Scandinavian
countries, and the numbers give away the reality. So then statistics
can be used and actually be useful tools of understanding because
we see in Norway that as much as 10,000 people are being admitted
into psychiatric wards forcefully every year which is enormously
much in the land or in the country of the most happy people.
We also see how many children are admitted into state care.
52,000 every year. These are horrendous numbers for such a small
country. Pieces of our story that hasn’t been told to
us keep coming up and it seems that it can’t be covered
any longer really because it surfaces somehow. So stories of
mass graves outside the psychiatric hospitals where they have
been doing experiments on the ethnic groups or the original
Lapp people in Norway has come to the surface. As you say, enrolling
them into experiments with LSD and lobotomy and sterilizing
all of them up until 1976 actually. So this is quite recent
HP: Let me say something about that too, because
I think this is an interesting aspect. I usually bring this
up when it comes to the specific targeting and also persecution
of certain peoples because we seem to neglect the historical
aspects since we are talking about Norway overall, how it gained
the authority that it did. It didn’t happen overnight.
It was not something which was agreed upon by all the rest of
the people in the country. So for example when we see a situation
like this you might think “Oh my God, everyone in Norway
and/or Sweden are ganging up on the Samis
altogether!” Right? The idea there is that I think
the Samis are one of the tribes that still manage to live on
and that is either due to their basic northward location all
the way up in Lapland
or it might be possibly because of later entry into Scandinavia
from the more northern tip of Asia, but nonetheless if you look
at for example at all the landscapes in Sweden and Norway, most
of the place names come from the fact that there used to be
really powerful tribes, or there was a king that lived there
that had the people there. For example in Norway you had the
Raumarici which comes from the Romerike, further down in Bohuslän
you had the Vinoviloth
[Ed. Note: This is the closest that I could find in a list
of ancient tribal names to what I think he said]. I am butchering
some of the names here, but they come from a guy called Jordanes
who wrote about the history of the Skandza
or Skandinavia [using Latinized names]. And you have like the
of course, the Heruli,
it goes on and on. The Arochi, the Raumi
like all of these tribes have been under the conquest as the
Norwegian government has been formed throughout history and
centralized, these tribes, if they have not been exterminated,
they have been absorbed into the bigger governmental system.
All these tribes have been targeted. They have been removed
from their own culture and heritage and today what we see in
these countries is very much a boiled down version of the culture
that used to be there, you know what I mean? So it is like we
can be kind of myopic sometimes when we see it. It means that
everyone who has been living in these countries has been subjected
to the same level of tyranny that we can see against someone
like the Sami for example, it is just this is later in the process.
Now of course what is worse in the picture for the Sami is that
they have a greater scientific and technological apparatus at
their disposal so their experiments and whatnot becomes even
more ruthless and brutal. So that is my five cents on that issue.
IS: That is very interesting actually because
most people don’t question for a second the state’s
claim to territory. They do support the state’s claim
that they own the Norwegian land and that this is theirs to
govern as they like. Theirs to exploit the way they like, and
as I see it, which is obviously also the truth, is just that
someone came along and made a claim just like they did in Australia
or in all of the world, actually, saying that, “This is
mine, now my rules apply.” And then time passes and it
becomes cemented in the minds of the people. But when you mention
our history and our spiritual traditions which are very strong
up in the North, and the original tribes and the Viking tradition
actually, and how they fought to expel the Romans --
IS: That is a very beautiful part of our history
and we aren’t told that so often.
HP: How is that in Norwegian schools, by the
way. Are you allowed to talk about this or does that encourage
the history? I know that there is a couple of, like the Østfold
ship for example in Norway, very famous, a beautiful old
Viking ship and whatnot, in Sweden I remember growing up we
heard more about Napoleon and the Roman Empire and all these
other countries, what happened there, as opposed to our own
history and our own, I mean the cultural, the way we have been
culturally severed in I would say Scandinavia, but I can only
speak in this regard for Sweden, have been tremendous. The way
it has been associated with all kinds of nonsense like racism
and everything else, where I think it has been very efficient
for them to cut us from that. I mean the Viking strain has a
natural rebellious tendency to it to that extent. I mean, for
example, we mentioned this earlier, the concept of the Thing
was one of the oldest, not democratic versions, because democracy
is still kind of representative as it came out of Greece, but
free men and women in pre-Viking and post-Viking Scandinavia,
they could speak for themselves. They could gather at these
sites where they had stone circles and talk and speak for themselves
and cast a vote for an issue that was to occur. The tradition
there for that type of government is quite unique on a historical
basis. Actually people don’t know about that, but, you
IS: Yes, what you see in school is actually
is a very powerful dumbing down of us, all of us. I feel in
my own case how much I have had to struggle to make my way through
all of the belief systems imposed upon me. And we are taught
history in very fragmented ways, as events with days that we
are supposed to repeat in various ways and we cannot connect
the dots, not at all, so we are never taught how to connect
the dots and how to see the deeper truths. So that is something
that has come as an adult actually and many of us are now spending
so much time trying to connect these dots. Trying to make sense
of missing pieces of our history that we have never been told
and the force with which the Vikings actually met the Romans,
is something that should have a tremendous bearing. It is a
very important point in our history, actually. But what I believe
is that the Roman tradition, or the Vatican now these days holds
the actual power through the Jesuits and through the Masonic
lodges in our countries, which is why we never learn or we never
hear about these things because the Romans have come back in
more occult ways.
HP: Yes, I mean that legal framework of Papal
Bulls and everything else, something people forget, of many
thousands of years we go back as we try to claim the whole world,
but one of the battles that people can read about is the Battle
of the Teutoberg Forest. That is basically in northern Germany
where a lot of Germanic tribes gathered because they realized
the threat of the Roman Empire, and they managed to hold them
back. It was a huge defeat [suffered] by the Romans. After that
point they actually realized that they were trying to, OK, if
you can’t beat them, let’s try to join them. They
actually entered into an interesting relationship after that.
They never dared to come up here and try to claim it. That never
happened. You had a period where you had more freedom of culture
as well in the northern countries for a longer period than they
did in the rest of Europe outside of that Roman framework. Nonetheless,
I think it is real interesting story that actually brings up
a different kind of flavor to it, but the Romans had definitely
been an advantage in them. Later on when Christianity came in,
as well, that was also seen as an invader. We talked about this
with Steven McNallen, by the way, in terms of the Viking Age
and all that. The raids that you see was most likely, the one
and only reason for those and the violent raids, was because
of a response and a reaction to the incoming and threatening
to the people, the Christianization of the northern lands, you
IS: And for me I have just recently actually
been diving a little into the mythology and beliefs of the Vikings
because we have never been taught this in school.
IS: I was also surprised to see the transcendence
of the teachings or the beliefs and the depth of the spirituality
of the things that they believed in. I really had no idea at
all. So it is as if our understanding has been so brutalized
throughout recent history that these notions that were so advanced
and run so deep within our psyche, these are not familiar to
us at all because we are taught basically very superficial stuff
in school so we can only recognize reality on kind of a very
HP: It needs to be rediscovered by the people
in Northern Europe, no doubt about it. It needs to be revived
again. I mean it is all there. People, they run to Hinduism
or Buddhism or they run to some kind of New Age theology and
whatnot, but it is like you have a tradition right there which
is beautiful, it is connected to yourself, to your own people
through your blood, you know. It is like a huge shame that they
managed to do this, but again we talked about this before, before
we began the second hour Ingunn, I think it has to do with the
fact that there is a spirit of rebellion within that tradition
that is very, very --the mechanism of control, rather, whoever
the people are who are trying to force that mechanism at whatever
given time in history know that this is something that cannot
be awakened or associated in any way. Again, therefore, do not
teach it in school. Tell them they were all barbarians, and
it ends there, we are just violent and brutal people, that is
it, as opposed to really giving them the full story and the
real mythology and the real tremendous, I wouldn't say religious,
but spiritual tradition that resides within the mythology itself.
So I think that is one of the reasons why they did such a tremendous
experiment on the Northern countries as well, Ingunn. The way
they wanted to create this kind of political laboratory, try
to subjugate the people under control, because it was one of
the small countries, small populations, it is simple of course,
it is more easily applicable but it is also for a much, much
deeper reason, I believe, because they did not want any of this
outbreak of this type of energy, if you will, to burst on to
the world scene again because that would be detrimental to them,
IS: That is a very good point, and I never
thought about that, but we have as a matter of fact become so
subdued and it would be wonderful if we would have access to
this force again. As it seems to me, we are aided on all levels,
also spiritual levels in bringing forth what might be termed
revolution, but what this revolution is, is rather changing
the focus from the state and back to the people and back to
the grass roots and to where the real loyalty lies because we
are always told that our loyalty should be with the state, and
if we are not loyally paying taxes, for instance, we are also
letting down communities. We must be ruled, because without
being ruled, we are barbarians. That is the slogan. That is
the mantra, and they repeat it all the time.
HP: [Laughter] Yep.
IS: So I can see that there is a growing grass
roots consciousness. A feeling that the real brotherhood is
our force and that is where we derive strength from. That is
where the beauty lies, and that is where the focus goes. This
might be the way of reducing the state’s power because
the state has reached a point where it is imploding upon itself
because it has applied so much force, brute force, towards the
people, the normal people, on the grass roots level. And then
up comes flowering, a new consciousness that actually makes
us remember that we are brothers and sisters and co-creators
so somehow we might be reverting to something we have lost,
something we have had before, but it seems to be springing forth
HP: I don’t think it something that can
be held back, and it has been for a few thousand years. What
people forget too, though, is that we are talking about traditions
that have existed for, I mean, if not tens of thousands of years,
thousands of years, and this is prior to the subjugation of
the Roman system, which was a measure of control, and with that
came the state religion of Christianity and a lot of these traditions
were branded as pagan and heathen and evil and brutal and barbaric
and all the rest. We know the story now. But the fact is that
if this is a tradition which is tied to the lands and tied to
the people, this something that exists within there. This is
not something that is going to go away. I mean even if one believes
in genetic memory or what not it is still something that is
tied into the cultural psyche, if you will. You can’t
just eradicate that and expect it to go away forever. It is
kind of like how other cultures are about their traditions and
their gods. The Greek gods, or you know however you want to
view that. And the fact too, I want to mention, is that there
are people who think “Oh, well, we don’t know anything
about that," or whatnot. There are hundreds of texts and
stories from this time. There has been so much written consequently
as well by so many scholars and researchers that have taken
what has been available in these stories and traditions that
have been passed down primarily through the Icelandic scholars.
The skalds, those who were the bards, singing about this and
writing about it too. But you know the gods of the Viking age,
in Northern myths, there are hundreds of excellent books written
about the subject. If people want to find out, that is all I
am saying, it is there. It is just that we do not know it is
there, you know?
IS: It also seems to be part of our cell memory
or deeply embedded in our psyches because I really had not given
it so much thought but I have seen that lately very many Viking
societies get organized, and honoring the Viking tradition so
much more. So this is actually being brought to light again
by many people.
HP: Beautiful. Well I think that is a really
positive note to all of this as well. Yes, I do hope that we
can see something like that. It needs to be done, because again,
for people who don’t live in the Northern countries and
don’t understand the true nature of the silent tyranny
that exists there, the quiet, subdued kind of imprisonment,
if you will, very much on the psychic level primarily. It is
difficult to convey that and it is difficult to explain really
the nature there, but it is there, it does exists, and the fact
is this something needs to occur there before things go too
far and too out of hand. Otherwise we are looking at a population
completely under the control and subjugation of the state. It
feels like it could go a little bit either way there, Ingunn.
Is there anything else you would like to round things up on
here before we begin to wrap up for this time, Ingunn? Something
you want to leave us with? Something else? Obviously we want
to hear about your web sites again, where people can go to follow
your writing. I know it is primarily in Norwegian at this moment,
but nonetheless, it is there, and you have it, so please tell
us about it.
IS: The name of the web site is Sigurdsdatter.com.
And as we speak that is being translated into English also.
You soon will be very welcome to come visit my web site. I am
so happy to come on to this program because it is part of uniting
us and tying us into a web of brothers and sisters around the
world, connecting on a different note than before. So I’m
very grateful for the invitation to come on to the program and
if anyone wishes to contact me, they are very welcome to do
so. So you will find my email and my contact info on my web
HP: Very, very good. Thank you Ingunn. Stay
brave of course, and please keep us posted again. We would love
to talk more with you and see how the developments go and just
stand your ground and find that spot within yourself and call
upon the greater force, if you will, and I don’t think
they will stand a chance. [1:55:36]