Note: This transcription provided
by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books
is reasonably but not completely accurate for research purposes.
He has supplied corrections or comments made inside brackets.
Christina Consolo: Thank
you so much for being here with us today. We really appreciate
Ms. "Milky the Clown": Yes, we are
Dr. Chris Busby: OK, well I hope I can be of
Christina: Those of us who follow the Fukushima
disaster have grown to understand the enormous implications
for mankind, from the threat of nuclear power, but we have only
just begun to grasp these implications, you however, have been
researching and teaching about this for a long time. What was
your initiation into this field originally?
Dr. Busby: Well I was living up on a mountain
with my family at the time of the Chernobyl accident in Wales,
and a lot of the radioactivity rained down in May of that year.
Everyone was saying how safe it was. I mean the first thing
the government said was how safe it is was. I did have a bit
of an idea about the effects of radiation, because one of the
reasons we moved to Wales was in order to avoid being bombed
by the Russians. At that time everybody thought there was going
to be massive nuclear war. So we decided to go somewhere where
we might be a bit safer. So I had a bit of an idea what was
going on, and of course it was quite clear that this was all
a pack of lies. So I got involved then in the idea of looking
at how radioactivity could affect people, because I had worked
in the pharmaceutical industry, and I had done physiology and
pharmacology. I have worked at a molecular level on the biology
of the cell, you know. So I had a kind of physical chemistry
approach to it, which was at that time was entirely missing,
and actually to a large extent it was still missing. And this
is essentially the difference between the current risk model
that there is and the one that my colleagues and I have developed
over the last twenty years. It is looking at radioactivity from
the point of view of biological systems and chemistry rather
than looking at it from the point of view of physics
Christina: You basically began your research
studying something that had never been studied before.
Dr. Busby: Well not in the way I was studying
it. I mean it had certainly been studied before. The health
effects of radiation had been studied for the whole of the last
century, certainly since from about 1925, and after 1952 it
began to be studied a lot because there was a lot of nuclear
weapons testing. People were concerned, quite rightly, actually,
that the fallout of Strontium 90, plutonium, and Cesium 137
and all that stuff was raining down on them in the period of
around 1959 to 1963 when the Russians and the United States
were doing these big megaton tests, people were concerned that
might be harming them. And they were quite right, it was harming
them. But of course the authorities, the military and so on,
they wanted to continue to do the testing, you see. So they
took control of the research into the health effects of radiation,
and they kind of had control of it ever since up until the mid-90's
when we started to make an impact. And that is how it all happened.
So they had already got a model, which they used and still use,
which is a Philips-based model [Editor's Note: I am making a
guess that Dr. Busby is referring to Philips
Radiation Oncology systems, but will not know for sure until
I have had a chance to check with him]. But where we came in
was to look at it from the point of view of chemistry and biology.
And that was new then, but it is not new now.
Christina: Do any of your children or family
work in this field as well?
Dr. Busby: Well, my eldest daughter helped
me a lot. She is actually a social anthropologist, but she studied
natural sciences at Cambridge. When I was first looking into
this after Chernobyl in about 1987, she was just up there. She
did two years of natural sciences. They all did sciences at
school, so they concentrated on science. I kind of think that
science is important. I think that mathematical analysis of
the world is very valuable, because too many people can just
wave their arms and say, "Oh yes, this is good" or
"This is bad." "This is very big" or "This
is very small." You have to have some kind of ability to
deal with numbers in order to investigate and find the truth.
Of course you can take it too far. Anyway so yes, that daughter
helped me, but my second daughter, she became an epidemiologist.
In fact, she studied the health effects of radiation for her
MSc at Imperial College. So now she is a quite well-known epidemiologist.
Quite famous one, you can find her on the Internet. So yes,
the two of them did help a bit, yes.
Christina: There is a couple of questions that
I ask everyone that I interview. One is, what were your thoughts
when you first heard about Fukushima, and when did you realize
we were in big trouble.
Dr. Busby: More or less from the beginning.
I mean I first heard about it because the woman who lives in
the house I have got here sent me a text message to say that
something had happened there and there had been some explosion.
I was in France at the time. I have always been lucky or maybe
unlucky, or certainly fortuitously in the right place at the
right time. So I was just coming back from France through London
when I heard about this. I was in London on the first day after
the explosion, and then BBC phoned me up and said "We need
somebody to talk about this." So I was right there at the
beginning. And of course from the beginning it was quite clear
to me that this was a similar sort of incident to Chernobyl.
I mean you don't have an explosion at a nuclear power station
which is safe. It is not possible. And then when I learned more
about the kind of explosion, of course they were saying it was
a hydrogen explosion. But then they said that Chernobyl was
a hydrogen explosion. And all of the pro-nuclear scientists
came out of their boxes to say how safe it was. A string of
these people coming out on the television and radio saying "There
is no problem." But it was quite clear to me that there
was a big problem. I did not know how big, but I quickly figured
out that it was very big, and then I just started to say how
big it was. I thought it was probably comparable to Chernobyl
from the very beginning, and it turns out that it was. In fact
it is worse in a way, because there are far more people living
close by. I mean Chernobyl was in an area where there is not
a huge population density, but the map of Japan has a very big
population density. A lot more people who are exposed
Christina: Dr. Busby, where do you think the
corium is and what is it doing?
Dr. Busby: The corium, what is the corium?
I mean, you are talking about the molten mass inside the core
of the reactors, is that what they call corium? Is that what
Christina: Yes. Michio Kaku [spelling] had
stated two months ago that at Reactor Two, the corium is now
liquefied, something that has never happened before in the history
of nuclear power. But this means it would have to be 5,000 degrees
or hotter. Arnie Gundersen has talked about --
Dr. Busby: Yes, I think about 3,800, 4,000,
or something like that. It certainly has got to that temperature,
in my opinion, and has probably has melted through the reactor
pressure vessel, in my opinion. It is probably somewhere down
in the ground. Russia Today told me they had evidence
at some time people were saying that there are big cracks appearing
in the ground, steam was coming out, and the radioactivity was
very high when they got close to measure it around about that
time. You know, we don't know, but my guess is that it is through
the reactor pressure vessel and into the ground. Then what it
will do is it will spread out until it gets to a sort of a self-limiting
point. So there will be a lot of heat being generated, but it
will generally cool itself as it spreads out. And then it will
be contaminating the ground water. I think that is probably
where we are at the moment. It will still be fissioning, of
course, so there will be loads of stuff coming out. I think
we know that because there were some measurements made of Xenon
isotopes that have very short half lives. When was that? That
was about Christmas time. To be honest, I have not really followed
it very closely. I have got a lot of other things to do. I am
dealing with stuff in Europe at the moment in uranium, and this
and that, you know, so I have more or less said what I have
to say about Fukushima. And it seemed to me that an awful lot
of people are looking at it now, and I could relax slightly
and get on with other stuff. I get hundreds of emails all the
time, telling me about, you know, blow by blow account about
what is happening out there, and I just can't deal with all
of them, you know. I just scan them them through very quickly
and pick out the odd one that seems interesting, And I think
if something serious happens someone will get in touch with
me, and that usually is the case.
Christina: I read that the corium underground
would gradually pick up dirt and cool and shut itself down,
but the fact is that we are pouring salt water on these reactor
cores perpetuating a continuous reaction, kind of like a sodium
Dr. Busby: Well, one thing if you pour salt
water on them continuously is you create a much more volatile
form of uranium, because the halides of uranium get reactions
in principle taking taking place there which would cause the
uranium to become more volatile. There was an awful lot of uranium
there. I agree with you, whoever said that, that it would distribute
itself until it cools slightly. It will cool slightly, it is
not going to go to the point where it will cool down like where
you can put your hand on it or anything. We are still talking
about a horribly high temperature. There are lots of volatile
radionuclides in all of that which will evaporate. I mean, one
serious one that no one has looked at or measured, except me,
is Lead 210. Now Lead 210 is a natural radionuclide decay product,
Radium 226 which is a decay product of uranium. And Lead 210
has a daughter Polonium 210, which is an alpha emitter, which
is the one where they killed that spy Litvinenko.
Now lead is very, very volatile, so at the temperature that
the core is, it is quite likely that it would vaporize all the
lead and this will have distributed itself all over the area.
I certainly measured it in Tokyo. I think I put out recently,
I think Ms. Milky the Clown put out, copied it quickly, but
they found Lead 210 in this air conditioning filter in Tokyo.
Quite a lot of it, so that is quite a serious nuclide, that
Christina: This question came from Daniel Alvodi
[sp?]. Is there a possibility of the corium causing an interaction
of epic magnitude such as a hydrovolcanic explosion?
Dr. Busby: Will it go bang? I don't know. We
are totally in new territory here. I wouldn't like to say what
would happen. All I can give you is sort of a basic physical
chemist approach to what I think is likely. I don't think it
is likely there will be any serious explosion. I think that
what is most likely is that it will continually contaminate
the environment more or less forever, unless somehow you can
isolate it by getting underneath it or around it at a low enough
level so that whatever goes on there to cool it can not wash
the radionuclides out into to sea. Otherwise all of that stuff
will slowly corrode and get washed out into the sea, and then
it will contaminate the whole coast. It seems to me that is
the most likely scenario. The idea that it suddenly is going
to go bang, I think is increasingly remote. I think that if
it was going to do that, it would have probably done it by now.
You see, the only way it will go bang is if there is some kind
of critical fission. That would depend upon increasing what
we call the F number above one point naught [1.0]. I can't see
really how that could happen because it has distributed itself
down into the ground and spread out. It doesn't seem likely
that could happen. I think what happened originally was it got
hot enough to vaporize the plutonium. You see in these reactors
there is always plutonium. In Reactor 3 there was plutonium
they put in there in the first place, and plutonium has a lower
boiling point to uranium. So in principle of you heat the thing
up high enough, the plutonium comes off first much like fractional
distillation of oil,. So as the plutonium comes off, you condense
into a cooler part of whatever it is coming into, the pressure
vessel I guess, or whatever it is, and you only need about 9
kilograms of plutonium to have a critical mass. So that could
then explode and blow everything up in the air. I think that
is probably what happened with Reactor 3. But it is hard to
see how that could happen naturally, with it having melted out
and dispersed into the soil. It is hard to see, but I wouldn't
say it is impossible. I don't know enough about it. I have no
idea what is really going on there, and I don't think anybody
could ever sort of do this kind of experiment. [13:33]
Christina: If you had complete control over
the site and money was no object how would you contain Fukushima?
Dr. Busby: Yes, yes, OK, good question. I tell
you what I would do. I would -- well, there were two ideas I
had. One was to blow it into the sea with shaped charges, the
sea by the harbor, but I think it is too late for that now.
The problem is it is extraordinarily radioactive so you can't
get close to it. Robots won't work, and you can't put men in
there. Anyway if you could, you don't have the men who would
go in there. The Russians put men in there and they went in
there and they did what they had to do. I don't think the Japanese,
I mean there were thousands and thousands of liquidators who
went in there and sorted out the Russian one. So I think what
you have to do is kind of leave it where it is. Isolate it from
the environment, and the only way to do that is to dig a number
of concentric trenches around the site. So you would have to
dig around the site deep enough to go below anywhere where the
water is likely to seep underneath your trench, and then fill
those trenches up with nonflammable concrete or something, line
them. Any water then that is washed into the reactor you are
using to cool it, would then rush into these trenches, and then
you would take this water and pump it back in and recirculate
it all the time until it becomes highly radioactive. You can
reduce that radioactivity by filtration or by precipitation
or whatever, lots of chemistry. And you have to do that more
or less forever. It would have to become a sort of like a permanent
engine for keeping it cool, and isolating it from the environment.
That is all that I can think of doing. Apart from that I can
not think of anything, and I think even that probably would
not work perfectly, but it is better than anything else. This
is a kind of a best shot. I can't see that there is any way
of dismantling it in such a way that you can pull this out of
it and separate them and make it safe. I can't see how that
could be done, but then this is just me. I am not a reactor
engineer, I am just a physical chemist.
Christina: I don't know if you can answer this,
but can frequency contain or neutralize radiation? Could a large
scale frequency array be built around Fukushima to contain the
releases, kind of like Farraday --.
Dr. Busby: No, you couldn't, no. I mean, this
is just impossible. There is no physics that would underpin
such a thing. An awful lot of people who do sort of science
fiction approaches to radiation, but they are a bit on the same
level as the Russians' idea that you can save yourself from
radiation by drinking vodka. Ionizing radiation is like fundamental
physical reality, which cannot be dealt with apart from hiding
from it or shielding oneself from it, that's it, but nothing
you can do. There is no frequency that can deal with it.
Christina: Dr. Busby what do you think are
the long term health ramifications for Canada. Should we only
be concerned about the Pacific Ocean contamination and the tsunami
debris, or will we continue to be hit with atmospheric fallout
if the plant continues.
Dr. Busby: What you have to realize is that
you were hit with an awful lot of atmospheric fallout at the
time of the weapons testing in 1959 to 1963. A lot of people
in Canada died as a result of that. A lot of cancer increase,
a lot of infant mortality, because there is a lot of rain and
snow in Canada and a lot of it came down there. This is not
as bad as that. [Editor's Note: Please see the "Reactions"
section which follows this interview. Quite a few highly astute
individuals who have been monitoring radiation across America
believe we remain in an extremely serious civil defense emergency
in which continuing fallout radiation levels and the long term
dangers of bioaccumulation in the food chain dwarf anything
that was experienced during bomb testing. America has been experiencing
"excess deaths" according to EPA statistics, widespread
plant mutations and animal deaths, and "hot rains"
many multiples of hazardous evacuation standards that are off
the charts compared to anything that this country has ever experienced
before]. So what has happened in Fukushima, and of course there
is not a lot of stuff coming out of it now. Most of what is
going to come out has landed on Canada, and actually it wasn't
an awful lot. I have looked quite closely at this. I have looked
at the weather patterns. I have looked at the measurements,
and people have sent me samples, because I was concerned about
this. There are a lot of people driving around with geiger counters,
measuring radioactivity. An awful lot of that radioactivity
is from radon, I have to say, OK. So when people wipe down their
wind screens and say "Oh, ah, it is terribly high, the
radioactivity" and they think it all is coming from Fukushima,
all this cover-up or whatever, I think it is not. I think that
the evidence as far as I can tell, I know about this because
I do a lot of measurements myself, is that there is not a lot
of stuff coming now from Fukushima. And probably at the beginning
there was some, but it was nothing like the quantity that came
from the weapons fallout. So I don't think you need to worry
too much about it, unless of course I am wrong and the whole
thing blows up, you know. I guess there is a finite chance of
that. Something strange could happen. It could all melt down
and then filter into a little hole in the rock, and then become
concentrated in some way and then there could be a nuclear explosion,
but if it is just distributed into the ground I don't think
that will happen. So I don't think you need to worry too much
about it. The Pacific ocean will become contaminated. The fish
will be contaminated. Of course you get the salmon, you get
fishing on the West Coast of Canada, and shell fish, and the
coasts will become contaminated, but it will not be as contaminated
as it was from the weapons fallout. So I don't think this is
the end of the world everybody is saying. I think it is just
like one more nail in the coffin. I have to say I think the
weapons fallout, and the nuclear reactors and the uranium mining
in Canada, very serious, that is, dust going everywhere, and
the particles from Iraq and Afghanistan floating around the
world, these are probably just as serious and everything adds
up and adds up and adds up, so what we are seeing is the death
of the genetic structure of the human race and all life. But
is is not just Fukushima, you know. It is everything. They are
adding and adding and adding and adding. It is very, very serious.
It is terrifying.
Christina: This question came from D. Wolcoff
[spelling?]. When do you expect the brunt of ocean contamination
to hit Hawaii?
Dr. Busby: I think it already has. I can't
see that it is going to get a lot worse than it is now. But
I don't know. I haven't followed, the currents generally go
up north as far as I can make out. They go up north along the
coast of Japan, and then they come around in a circle and go
down again, but then the fish swim against the currents. I mean,
I couldn't say. I certainly know the particles have got to Hawaii,
because we have measured them there. So the aerial contamination
has gone to Hawaii, but it is not very large. It is not a huge
amount. My concern is the uranium particles and the plutonium
particles, my guess is those are the [unintelligible], but as
far as the water is concerned, I don't know. I would have thought
whatever is going to get there has got there.
Christina: This question came from Kim Laffly
[spelling?], do you feel from some of the car filter tests that
the West Coast cities of Seattle, Portland, San Francisco or
L.A. may be unsafe to be doing outdoor activities.
Dr. Busby: OK, well I have actually looked
at car filters from Japan, and the alpha activity in the car
filters from Japan is not that great. There is an awful lot
of Cesium 137, there was a lot of Lead 210, there is some uranium
235, and probably some plutonium, and I wouldn't have thought
by the time you get 2,000 miles away, I know it is downwind,
but the concentrations I think on the West Coast of America
are not hugely high, in fact I have looked at filters, I have
had two filters from Los Angeles, I have had two filters from
Vancouver, and I have looked at both of those and have not found
anything much at all, so I wouldn't be too worked up about that,
no. You see, luckily for you, well you know, luckily for the
United States and for the continent, it is a very, very long
way from Japan, and the winds generally go north and come down.
They go up over the Arctic and then come down. So some of that
stuff has come down into Sweden, come into Baltic States, into
Denmark, and of course it has come down the coast into the United
States. In fact it has gone down even further. It all depends
on the directions of the wind. Some of it of course got to California
for sure, but not a huge amount, you know. No need for you to
go to the bomb shelter and lock yourself in. It is not as bad
as that. It was much, much worse during the nuclear weapons
testing. So I hope I could give some kind of assurance to all
these people who are freaking out. I don't think it is as bad
as a lot of people are saying. There is a lot, too much panicking
going on. As far as the Japanese are concerned, they should
be panicking, absolutely. Because it is sort of a local affair.
Christina: This question came from Samuel Dal
Pizzol in Brazil, what are your feelings about using cannabis
for radiation protection, or cancer prevention?
Dr. Busby: Well, I think it might make you
happy, and happiness we know is quite good for cancer prevention.
But that would be the only way. I mean, if you want to prevent
yourself from getting cancer, then you have to reduce the level
of exposure to mutagens, substances that cause mutation. You
should take lots of anti-oxidants like Selenium, which generates
anti-oxidants and various other things. Vitamin C and that kind
of thing. Cannabis, I think no, in fact there is some evidence
that smoking cannabis causes an increase in throat cancer, so
it probably is not a good thing to smoke cannabis. I mean, I
guess you could eat it. I don't think it does any harm if you
eat it, but certainly if you smoke it you are likely to increase
your risk of getting certain types of cancer, larynx cancer
of the throat and esophagus and that kind of thing. But that
is not from the cannabis, that is from the tar and from the
radionuclides that are in the tobacco leaves, many natural ones.
Radium and polonium, those are man-made ones.
Christina: I think most of the people that
use it for medicinal purposes use it with a vaporizer or they
Dr. Busby: Yes, sure, I don't think that would
do them any harm. I mean, I only get drawn into arguments about
whether cannabis is good for you or not. Some people say it
is not good for you. Some say that it has long term effects
on your thinking. And certainly, I mean I come from the cannabis
generation, you know. Most of my mates when I was younger were
hippies who used to smoke themselves until they were stupid
and man-manning [spelling?] all the time passing the joint.
I never got into it really myself. But you know, it made them
happy, they used to smile a lot. Most of them are still alive,
if they are it is not because of cannabis [laughter]. So you
know live and let live, or live and let smoke, or whatever.
I have to say that smoking cigarettes and also smoking dope
is not good for you. It will do in your throat and affect your
heart and no question about that. My colleagues who look at
genomic instability have found that smoking tobacco causes a
big increase in chromosome aberrations, chromosome damage, and
so on. That is going to affect your capillaries, your heart,
going to affect your circulation, your ability to breathe, all
that stuff you know, and it is going to do in your brain a bit,
slightly too. Actually if your brain is very active it might
be a good idea to knock it down a bit, you know, or otherwise
you start getting scared. I mean I think too much, much of the
time. I don't smoke dope, I stopped it.
Christina: Do you have a plan for relocation
to the Southern Hemisphere if something happened to the spent
fuel pool of Reactor 4?
Dr. Busby: No, I don't think that is necessary.
But if something really bad happened to the spent fuel pool
and it went off bang, then I think I might have to think about
what I am going to do. I have to tell you that I spent most
of my life worrying about nuclear war. Now nuclear war is a
completely different order of magnitude compared to Fukushima.
I mean if there were a nuclear war, you would really be in trouble.
You would have to be really careful about relocating to the
Southern Hemisphere. Fukushima not such a big deal, because
you see, you are not going to get a 10 megaton explosion out
of Fukushima. You might get a nuclear explosion, but I don't
think it would be a very efficient one. So there would be an
enormous bang, and it would blow all sorts of radioactive crap
up into sky, but it would not blow it through the stratosphere.
It would have to go out 20 kilometers, something like that,
a long way out, to 50,000 feet anyway, to get into the stratosphere,
and then it starts to go around the stratosphere in circulation
and land on everybody. So I think if it went up, it would mostly
land in the Pacific. It would finish off quite a large fraction
of Southeast Asia. But I think probably where I am in Wales,
or if I am in France or Latvia or wherever I happen to be, it
is not such a big deal. So it would just be a question of hanging
about until the fast radioisotopes decayed away, which is about
a month or so. And then it is business as usual. The business
in this case as usual is the slow destruction of the earth.
I mean if there is any message that I should give tonight to
the people listening, it is that we really do have to stop nuclear
pollution. In fact, it might already be a bit too late. We have
got fertility problems, we have got genetic damage problems,
we have lost species, we have lots of really, really awful things.
There are no birds. All the different birds are gone, it is
really serious, really serious. But it is not just Fukushima.
It is the whole package. I have got a boat, anyway, so if it
gets too bad, I will sail my boat south. [Laughter].
Christina: We recently learned in the last
few days about the butterfly studies. Irregularities were found
in eye development, malformed wings going back to May of 2011.
A biologist stated that the study is overwhelming in its implications
for humans, and another said it is a pretty clear indication
that something has gone wrong in the ecosystem. What does this
butterfly study tell us from your perspective?
Dr. Busby: This is nothing new. After Chernobyl
there is a woman named Cornelia
Hesse-Honegger who was a scientific illustrator, and she
traveled all over Europe, to nuclear reactors and places like
Chernobyl finding mutated bugs and drawing them. She made a
huge great book. You can find a lot of her pictures on the Internet.
Hess-Honegger, a very nice woman, very clever. So that was after
Chernobyl. So now we are seeing the same thing after Fukushima.
Everything that happened after Chernobyl you will find after
Fukushima. It is exactly the same. In fact we published a book
called Fukushima: What to Expect which is based on
what we discovered after Chernobyl. The real problem is that
everybody knows this, but no one can do anything about it. I
mean, I go to conferences all over the world. Recently I was
in Geneva, and then I was in Vilnez [spelling?], I have been
in Stockholm, just in this last year. All of the people like
yourselves and scientists, they come along and say "We
have this mutated bug, and look at these people who are dying."
Recently my colleague [Dr.]
Hagen Scherb was able to show using mathematical statistics
that after Chernobyl and also after the weapons fallout in the
'60's, there was a displacement of the proportion of boys born
to the proportion of girls, which is called the sex ratio. It
has been absolutely constant in the human populations. The number
of boys born to the number of girls, 1,050 boys to every 1,000
girls. A standard statistical indicator of genetic health. And
after radiation it was perturbed. After Chernobyl it changed.
After the weapons fallout it changed. After living near nuclear
power stations it changed, and you will find that it changes
after Fukushima as well. And what that means, although it might
seem rather arcane, what it means is that millions of boys have
died. Millions of girls have died, depending on which way the
sex ratio changes. It depends on whether the father has been
more irradiated than the mother. But it means that we are really
perturbing the genetic integrity of planet earth, and that is
why we are getting mutated flies and mutated roses. And then
there was that famous bunny with no ears. But all that stuff
we found out after Chernobyl, animals with no heads and the
works. And of course nobody can have babies now. My friend here,
Pakistani friend said when his friends go back to Pakistan and
marry young women and want to raise a family, they can't. They
can't have babies. They have tried for years and years and they
can't have babies. When I was young you just had to shake a
woman's hand and she would have a baby. It mean it just doesn't
happen any more. I was on the underground in London at the Tube,
and there was an advertisement there for women over 30 to have
free IVS treatment, women over 40, they are giving free IVS
treatment to that to flush all your eggs out to make sure they
get one that works. It is terrifying.
Christina: I have learned that fasciation
is quite rare in nature, but not around nuke plant accidents,
and when we put out a call for images to the public at large,
we received hundreds of images sent to us from the U.S. and
Canada primarily from the West Coast, BC, and Alberta. Many
of these people are avid gardeners who have grown their own
produce for years. What they are seeing is very unusual. Have
you had an opportunity to view some of these images from the
States or from Canada, and are any of them similar? [33:02]
Dr. Busby: No, not really, no. I would caution
people against drawing conclusions about Fukushima. I mean in
epidemiology we are well aware that if you suddenly start to
look for something then you are liable to find it, and then
you might think that it is caused by whatever it is you think
you are looking for. My message is that this is certainly happening.
All these things are certainly happening. They will certainly
be affected by Fukushima, but they are probably parts of a general
process, which I believe is a result of the contamination of
the planet with radionuclides. And people say, "Well what
about the place of chemicals and this or that." I am not
trying to suggest those things don't have an effect. But the
primary effect is radiation, because chemicals get into the
body, and they can be metabolized. They can't get to the DNA,
because there is a whole battery of detoxification mechanisms
to stop them from getting to the DNA. But the radiation can
go straight to the DNA because it goes right through everything.
The body is completely transparent to radiation. So the radiation
can get to the DNA, and the chromosomal DNA is what defines
all of us. Defines the plants, defines the fish, defines the
insects, defines everything. And if you can smash that up, then
you are going to get all these effects right across the board.
And that is what we are doing, smashing them up. Because these
stupid physicists have got this stupid theory that we can be
mobile as a bag of water into which you put energy. They refuse
to consider the chemistry, refuse to consider the biology, and
now they even refuse to consider the massive evidence that they
are wrong. Massive, massive evidence that they are wrong. But
I tell you, there is a little bit of light on the horizon, and
that is what I learned today that the Japanese parliament has
actually passed a law to do with the development of nuclear
energy. But inside it says the people who developed nuclear
energy have to insure that people are safe using the risk model
of the ECRR. That is formidable. That is actually a massive,
massive change, because the risk model of the ECRR would not
allow the sort of thing that is going on in Japan at the moment.
[Pause]. So that is cause for applause, really.
Christina: Yes. This question came from Debbie
Pinchon [spelling?]. Based upon your work in Fallujah, is there
any ratio between fasciation of plants and that of birth defects
in the human population?
Dr. Busby: Could you say that again, because
you are fading in and out a bit.
Christina: Based on your work in Fallujah,
is there is a ratio between fasciated plants and that of birth
defects in human populations?
Dr. Busby: I don't know. I have not done any
work on plants in Fallujah. I mean you would expect to find
effects from radiation exposure in all systems. But
actually the particular kind of radiation in Fallujah which
is uranium particles, I think probably would not affect plants,
because plants have a particularly good way of keeping uranium
out. They have probably an exclusion mechanism in the root system.
The French have done a lot of work on looking at the effects
of uranium on plants. They found that you cannot contaminate
a plant with uranium. The plant will keep it out, because it
has some mechanism in the root system that keeps it out. So
certainly not, in this case it is a particularly human epidemiology
problem, as well, anyway. A mammalian epidemiology problem,
because you have to have something to inhale the particles,
and then they get into the blood stream, then they get to the
chromosomes and get into the placenta, then get to the babies,
and then they cause these deformities. .
Christina: Do you know personally of any scientists
or engineers that are in the process of developing new technology,
robots or otherwise, to deal with Fukushima, and does any of
it seem hopeful or promising to you?
Dr. Busby: Right, OK. "No" is the
answer to that. I think that all of the work that has been done
with robots to try and sort out Chernobyl showed that it is
impossible to use robots, because the problem is that the electronic
systems that robots work on cannot sustain, they cannot function
when the radiation fields get too high. When radiation impinges
on a substance, on a new material, what it does is it creates
electrons. That is called ionizing radiation. It is absorbed
by the material and it ionizes the material, which means it
kicks electrons out of the material. Now the problem is that
robots work on electrons. Your computer works on electrons.
All of these chips, all the old electronic chips that you people
use, all work on electrons. You can't have a system with electrons
being randomly kicked out all over the place because, you know,
ultimately the whole thing gets scrambled. And that is what
they found in Chernobyl, and they tried everything. The Germans
had some very fancy robots, and then they tried robots from
somewhere else. And they did their own robots, and none of the
robots worked. They worked up to the point where they got up
into the high radiation field, and then they just went mad.
They just ran in circles and fell off the side. That is why
in the end in Chernobyl they had to send men in. They called
them "biorobots." They just pulled up 20,000 men from
the reserve army list. They put roofing net around them, and
sent them in to pick this stuff up with their bare hands and
throw it over the side, and of course they all died. You won't
hear that. The international nuclear industry says that nobody
really died after Chernobyl except a few of the firemen right
at the beginning. But there were an enormous number of people
who died because the Russians sent in these young men. The young
men just got huge radiation effects and then they mostly died
before they were 40. But this won't happen in Japan, and the
robots won't work. So as I say, you just have to dig around
it, isolate it, and put up a big notice saying "mankind's
folly" and keep it cool for a thousand years or however
long it is.
Christina: The people that I know from Facebook
and YouTube and the alternative media who are deeply immersed
in the situation and understand its implications are very frustrated
and very angry at our respective governments and agencies and
the mainstream media for ignoring them. If you had a thousand
people at your disposal that have Internet but no funding, how
would you direct them to make a difference?
Dr. Busby: I know exactly what to do, as it
happens. This is a problem we have had for some time, and I
have thought about it for some time and I have figured out what
to do. There is something we can do, in fact I am doing it in
Europe at the moment. I launched this in Geneva, I figured it
out last year. I went to a conference in Austria which was called
by some people who were asking this exact question. It was the
contents of the legal people, lawyers from various universities,
eminent people, and there was a woman there from the College
of William and Mary, Virginia, who had studied how you could
use the law, human rights law in particular, to protect the
environment. And it was not very difficult to convert her book
on this, and the papers that she gave me, into a strategy. And
this strategy I launched maybe about two weeks ago from Latvia.
It can function in the European Union. The first stage of it
can't function in the United States because there is a foot
in the door in the European Union which is the EURATOM Convention.
There was a big treaty called the EURATOM Treaty which was about
collaboration and cooperation between European countries which
was signed in the '60's. And as a result of this there is a
document called a basic safety standards directorate. To cut
this short, it is possible to petition the European Parliament
to ask for a rejustification of the basic safety standards directive.
And this is what we are doing. So any of of the people who are
listening to this in Europe, if they don't know about it, should
check out the web site called www.nuclearjustice.org,
and this nuclearjustice.org consists of a number of scientists
and jurist and experts and so on, including me, and we are going
to use international human rights legislation to stop them.
Now you can also do this in the United States, but the main
thing is to start in Europe because it is a lot easier in Europe.
In the United States what we would do is get these people to
write a petition, asking the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in
the U.S.A. and in Japan and whatever the equivalent is there
or in Korea or China or wherever it is, and draw to their attention
the fact that nuclear pollution contravenes all of the agreements,
all of the national agreements on human rights, because one
of the provisions of the human rights legal documentation, which
has been signed up by almost every country, is that people have
the right to live in an environment which is safe for their
health. And so what you can do is ask them to justify the contamination
of the environment under human rights legislation. Of course
in Europe or many countries, if they say "No, we are not
going to do that," then you can take it to the International
Court of Justice. So that is one way that you can, and that
is what I would suggest, I don't see any point in throwing yourselves
in front of diggers, and all that, chaining yourself to nuclear
power stations, and so forth. I mean it doesn't work. I mean
it might be fun, but it doesn't work. You have got to take these
people on legally.
Christina: What kind of response have you had
since you started asking people to sign the petition?
Dr. Busby: Yes, well, everybody wants to do
it. It is happening in August because that is when the European
Parliament is on holiday. So all these petitions would pile
up, then they come back in September, and they will have to
deal with these petitions. Then we will have to see what happens.
But I think it will be quite hard for them to ignore them, because
there are going to be an awful lot of petitions from an awful
lot of important people. No reason at all why people from the
United cannot also write a petition to the European Parliament,
I mean it would just add to the general mass of petitions, and
they can't say, "Oh well, this is not a valued petition
because the person lives in the United States." One of
the clauses of the European petitions law, is that anybody who
is resident in the country, that is to say just living there,
you don't have to be a member, you don't have to be Russian,
sorry, you don't have to be French, you just have to be someone
who is living in France. So any people who are living in France
or have lived in France or whatever, you know, or just pretending
they are living in France, just put an address there,or for
Sweden, or any of the countries of the European Union, can write
to the petitions
committee of the European Parliament. The address
is given on the web site, [unintelligible] in Brussels. So look
here, you know, they can download the petition. We have got
a petition there which is a template, and we put all of the
evidence in that their risk model is utter nonsense, and you
just sign it, put your name on it, and send it to them. And
if you happen to be some [unintelligible] who cares, it is one
more piece of paper they have to look at
Christina: Dr. Busby, I have two more questions
from the conspiracy realm, and then we want to open the floor
to you at the end for anything that might be important to add.
Dr. Busby: All right, go on.
Christina: Have you seen anything compelling
that would suggest that Fukushima was done on purpose or perpetuated
by the Stuxnet virus?.
Dr. Busby: No. I haven't. I mean, that is not
to say it wasn't. But I think if we are talking conspiracy,
Chernobyl is much more likely to be a target for conspiracy.
If you look into that, there are all sorts of very strange things
that happened there, and also there would be quite a good reason
for it too, because eventually, effectively it destabilized
the Soviet Union, and led to the fall of the Soviet Union. So
you can imagine lots of people who would want that to happen.
But I really can't see any point in it. This is my concern about
all of this conspiracy stuff. People have been telling me it
was HAARP, that produced the tsunami, and all sorts of other
biased stuff you are talking about. But I like to think what
is the point of it all, you know. Why would anyone bother? So
from that point of view I can't see any point. And from the
other point of view I have not seen any evidence, no. It seems
to me to be just a consequence of old reactors, bad design,
and insufficient attention to detail and to security from the
point of view of being inundated by the tsunami or shaken by
an earthquake. That is good enough, really. I can't see that
you would need to consider anything else. In fact that is even
more terrifying, really. It mean, it is not that you have got
a man blowing it up. But the fact that it could just happen,
just because they failed to fix it properly, or did not build
it properly in the first place or weigh about it properly is
infinitely more terrifying, because there are a lot of other
reactors where the same thing could happen all over the place.
Christina: Are you familiar with Agenda 21?
Dr. Busby: Yes, I was. I have been, yes.
Christina: This question comes from Ms. Milky
and I ask other people on my show and I have had a variety of
responses. Could leaking nuke plants, atmospheric testing, the
spreading around of depleted uranium and uncontained melt-downs
be part of the global depopulation agenda?
Dr. Busby: Could you repeat that because you
are fading in and out again. I got half of it. Let's just make
sure I understand it. Say again?
Christina: Could leaking nuke plants, atmospheric
testing, the spreading around of depleted uranium and uncontained
melt-downs be part of the global depopulation agenda?
Dr. Busby: Yes, good question. Yes, it is possible.
Particularly with the uranium. I think the leaking nuke plants
and all the other stuff, I don't that is on purpose, no. I think
that is just stupidity. But when it comes to the uranium, I
think that could be, yes. Especially given where it has been
used. The thing is that these uranium weapons, are very good
anti-tank weapons. They are being used all over the place in
areas where there is no tanks. And so you have to ask the question
"Why?" Well, I mean one answer is that you can make
a very big bang with uranium. If I am right, they have got some
neutron weapon which uses uranium and deuterium and so on. But
even so, I mean it is not necessary to use these weapons. There
are plenty of other weapons that they have got which do the
trick just as well. So you have to ask yourself the question
"Why are they using these uranium weapons?" And I
think it could well be that they specifically want to reduce
the genetic integrity, fertility I suppose you would say, of
certain people in the Middle East. So if you reduce the number
of people who might oppose you, Muslim people who might oppose
you, then you are more likely to be able to take over areas
where there is a lot of oil. And of course I am thinking of
the United States here because they are the people producing
these weapons. As far as general destruction of the population
on earth, I would think it rather stupid because you are not
going to prevent it from affecting you, you know. It is a bit
of a suicide weapon really. I mean a lot of people say, "Oh,
well, you know, they are trying to reduce the population on
the earth, but then they are going to do themselves in as well,
so their own children are going to be affected. Everybody will
be affected. I mean there was a study in Jerusalem of sperm
counts amongst young men. In Jerusalem in the hospital there.
They found there was an enormous reduction in the last ten years
in the sperm count in young men. And the people who did the
study who were Israelis, were saying that if this continues
in another another 20 years we will all be infertile and there
will be no more Israelis. So I mean it could hardly be the project
of the Israelis or the Zionists to destroy their own race, unless
they are completely insane like, you know, a Dr. Strangelove
or some mad person from a James Bond film.
Christina: I have read articles from a few
years ago, and I don't have the source for these, that they
were working on a radiation pill. Not potassium
iodide, but something else that would negate the effects
of radiation damage to cells.
Dr. Busby: Yes, sure, there are such things.
They are working on it. There is such a thing. It has side effects.
It does protect to some extent against external radiation like
from a bomb or something. But there is not much that can protect
against uranium particles, I can tell you that. Uranium particles,
nanoparticles, once they are inside you, that is it. And I can't
believe that these people are too stupid to know that. All of
the things that I have discovered with my meager resources must
have been available to the people who are using these weapons
on some level. So they must know that. But yes, sure, I mean
I guess it is possible. I guess it is possible that there is
some kind of evil genius, or some group of evil geniuses, are
going to try to decimate the planet, you know, so that they
can somehow feel gleeful about it and rub their fingers and
their hands together, and say "Oh well, we now own the
planet." But it would be a bit like some future science
fiction novel. The planet they will own will be some smoking
ruin, and good luck to them, you know. They must realize that.
Christina: Do you think Tokyo will ever be
Dr. Busby: Well, I can't see how they can evacuate.
I think they had some plans at some time, but no, I think they
will cross their fingers and hope for the best and cover up
all the damage. I have calculated the increase in cancer, on
the basis of the measurements that I have been given and that
I have made. I published them in that book, the Japanese book,
that I did with Ninkinko [spelling?], so that is all there.
It is not an enormous amount. I mean, like I said, it is like
this is how the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper. They
are not going to all suddenly going to fall down dead and their
children are going to be born with two heads. That is not going
to happen. What is going to happen is the cancer rate is just
inexecrably going to rise. You know, there will be more leukemias.
There will be fewer children. There will be more heart attacks,
more strokes. But there are an awful lot of people, and the
government will not release statistics, or they will fiddle
with statistics just like the Soviets did. And then the nuclear
industry people with all of their tame epidemiologists, will
come out and say "Oh well, there is a slight increase in
cancer, but it is use of radiophobia [spelling?], or people
are going out in the sun too much," or some nonsense or
another. It is all ethically depressing. It is the Sovietization
of the West, really. I mean I can't continue to fight them,
you know. I have got my own life. I can't spend my whole life
writing papers saying the same thing, which they just ignore.
So I just do what I enjoy, what I have time for, and what I
have money for too, of course. Because nobody pays for this
stuff. Most of this stuff is quite expensive. But I think probably
this project of mine to use the human rights legislation in
the U.S. and thing, is going to make a big impact. And I think
we are making an impact, you know. I mean the fact that the
Japanese Diet or whatever they call themselves, has now adopted
the ECRR as one of its risk models, is truly astonishing. Truly
astonishing. And it is like fitting a door. I think if you hang
on long enough and we just keep on going, and we all help each
other to get the message out in the best way that we can, the
scientists do science and the activists do activism, and the
filmmakers do filmmaking and so on, and we just keep plugging
away, eventually we will smash the door down. We will break
through and win. I do believe this. I do believe it.
Christina: The book that you mentioned, is
that also published in English?
Dr. Busby: That is published in Japan by the
Kardanza [spelling?] publishing Corporation. In English it would
be something like The Horror of Fukushima. But it is
Japanese, and I can't read it. It has just got a picture of
me on the cover in Japanese. But I know what I said, and she
translated it all into Japanese and put in all the data and
everything. So yes, people who speak Japanese can buy that.
And somebody said that I should translate it into English and
publish it in English. I do not have the time or money or inclination,
either. So we will have to rely on people phoning me up and
asking. A lot of people do, of course. I am always getting emails,
and I always answer them. Saying "Is it safe to live here,
or should I do this," or "Can I drink milk" or
whatever happens to me. The biggest danger now in Japan, is
from the coasts and the water, living near the coasts, and eating
shell fish and fish.
Christina: I know that you answer your emails.
You have answered a few of mine and Ms. Milky's, and I want
to thank you for everything that you do to educate us. Your
patience and your demeanor, and you are teaching a very complex
and frightening subject to a lot of people, and it gives many
of us hope that someone does care. You are really everyone's
favorite teacher when it comes to this stuff.
Dr. Busby: You are very kind. Well I have to
do this. I mean, The Fates put you in a position where you have
to act as a sort of moral human being, and you can't do anything
else. It is a bit like the Good Samaritan. If you happen to
walk by and somebody is in trouble, you have to help them. And
that is the position I found myself in. I came into this sort
of as a scientist, because I was interested in the problem.
I could not quite believe that the child leukemia cluster at
Sellafield, that was then the largest source of radiation on
the planet, couldn't be caused by radiation given that radiation
causes leukemia. And yet the government was saying "No,
no" it is not possible, because the dose wasn't big enough.
It was almost like walking past a chess game where you see two
people playing chess and you can see a move. You think "That's
not right, I have got to move the knight here." So it was
purely abstract, almost. It was like a problem, a chess problem.
But then that put me in another position where I had to think
about something else, and slowly I waded into this swamp and
had to learn epidemiology. I had to learn radiation biology,
dosimetry, measurements, you name it. So I spent twenty years
[unintelligible]. So then there I was in London when Fukushima
went off bang, you see. So I mean here, I am, if I make sense
to you. So I do my best.
Christina: Well, we will continue to promote
anything or everything that you do to protect children and really
all of humanity from Fukushima and all the other nuclear threats
that we have. I saw a quote the other day that I thought you
would like. "There is no greater measure of the moral health
of a society than how it treats the most vulnerable people within
Dr. Busby: Correct, yes. And I want to say
how grateful I am to all of you people who have decided to pick
up this cause, because it is actually one of the most important
things in the world at the moment. This radioactive pollution
is the most dangerous thing in the whole of history on this
planet, the history of life on this planet. This is what is
going to stop it up. And it is so beautiful and so wonderful
that all of these people all over the world that I am sort of
vaguely in contact with and who get in touch with me and give
me their love and their support, they are all working much of
their time with very little money and with very little support
to try and fight this good fight. I thank you all, and thank
you all of the good people who are listening and all of the
people you contact, because without all of you, I would feel
terribly isolated. And I don't. When people attack me, I think
"Ho hum" because I know that there are lots of people
who like me, who love me, and send me love, and I send it back
Christina: Is there anything else we haven't
touched on you feel is important to say?
Dr. Busby: No, I don't think so. I think the
most important thing I can say in this whole interview, this
whole little chat, this coffee, is that people should go to
this web site, this nuclearjustice.org web site, and involve
themselves in this new way of trying to stop the radioactivity.
Trying to stop the pollution. In Europe it would be to write
a petition to the European Parliament, and all the templates
and the instruction and everything are all there. At the same
time, to write to your own nuclear agency, whatever it happens
to be in America. The NRC, I can't remember who it is in Canada,
but it is easy to find. Say to them that there is so much evidence,
more or less send them the petition as it is. Just adapt it
in some way to your own particular situation and bring it along
and ask them to deal with it. Because there is so much evidence
out there now that the current risk model that they use to support
and underpin their continuation of this off-process, this contamination,
that risk model is complete nonsense. And it has been shown
to be nonsense by all of this research which we have done and
which other people have done and which we have collected together
on that web site. So this is the way to deal with it. We have
got to deal with them legally within the structure of human
rights legislation and human rights agreements, because human
rights agreements are very, very powerful and they are incorporated
in all of the constitutions of every civilized country in the
world, so it is about time that they actually started to put
their money where their mouth is.
Christina: In the U.S. we have the NRC which
we call the Nuclear Rubberstamp Commission.
Dr. Busby: Yes, those people. Well write to
them and say, "Look, awfully sorry, but you know here is
a petition asking you to rejustify everything you are doing
on the basis that it is all wrong, and look at the evidence.
There are 55 references in that petition. A scientific paper
in the peer literature which they just ignore, shows that what
they have been doing is killing people. And ask them for their
names. Get some individuals. It is always good to, they would
like to say "We're the Nuclear Regulatory Commission,"
but you don't want to know that. You want to know who you are
dealing with. Are you Jim Rogues, are you Fred Merck, Billy
White, or whatever? You need to get a name, and you need to
make them quite aware that eventually they are going to get
sent off to Nuremberg, personally.
Dr. Busby: Well Nuremberg was the big war crimes
tribunal, you know, because essentially this is a peacetime
war crime. The number of people have been killed as a result
of the contamination of the planet, justified by these people,
these Nuclear Regulatory Commission types, is in the millions.
So when they talk about the war crimes that Hitler perpetrated,
you know, the six million here and so forth, it is nothing compared
to people who have been murdered, essentially murdered, by the
scientists working for the nuclear industry.
Christina: Well I really appreciate the time
that you have taken. We will attach links to all of those web
sites that you mentioned.
Dr. Busby: Yes, well OK. It is on that video
which Ms. Milky stuck up as well, the one about petition. The
link is there so it is easy to find. And if you can't find it,
email me and I will send it all to you.
Christina: OK, one more little favor to ask
of you, Dr. Busby. My producer is actually starting her own
global news network, which will have TV and radio. A lot of
what we are covering is the nuclear stuff. What is going on
in plants in the U.S. and Europe. Can I get you to do a station
I.D., and just say "This is Dr. Busby, UCY, that is the
name of the station, UCY."
Dr. Busby: Yes, well, what do you want me to
do then? Say it now so you can record it, is that it?
Christina: Yes, yes. And then we will insert
Dr. Busby: This is Dr. Busby, and this is station
UCY. Like that.
Dr. Busby: [Laughter} I can give my disc jockey
Christina: Could you do it again for me?
Dr. Busby: Hello, this is Dr. Busby, and this
is station UCY.
Christina: Thank you so much.
Dr. Busby: OK. Good night!
Christina: Have a wonderful evening, thank
Dr. Busby: Yes, bye bye.
reactions to this interview:
Interpretation of Fukushima, majiasblog.blogspot.com
Majia here: I am reposting a comment made by an anonymous individual
with some expertise in physics concerning Fukushima. I decided
to post it because of Dr. Busby's comments, which I discussed
The Blue Light. April 6, 2012 at 11:54 pm ·http://enenews.com/former-un-advisor-ive-been-told-maybe-50-years-to-contain-radiation-if-no-4-pool-collapses-during-50-years-continual-you-cannot-contain-video/comment-page-1#comment-230541
[Excerpted] As I pointed out in another thread several physicists
and I worked out how much ceasium137 is contained in spent fuel
at Fukushima. We took into account average burn up of the fuel
and decay since the fuel was removed from the reactors and several
The estimates for the amount of ceasium137 that has been released
into the environment so far has been independently calculated
to range from 10 to 60 kilograms. The spent fuel on site contains
between 12500 to 16300 kilograms of ceasium137. A more accurate
figure was impossible to calculate due to a lack of available
data from TEPCO.
When all the other radionuclides are taken into account then
life in places like Hawaii could become impossible, even a short
term exposure could be fatal. This could also be true for any
fallout hot spots in north america.
Countries like the United kingdom, Denmark, Germany, Norway
and Sweden which are connected to Japan by the northern jet
stream would also be gravely effected.
Within a year, global background radiation levels would rise
by as much as a factor of thirty.
This would truly be a global disaster.
Vulnerable Genome, majiasblog.blogspot.com, Saturday,
September 8, 2012
Chris Busby's latest interview can be viewed here: http://enenews.com/busby-plutonium-reached-critical-mass-reactor-3-caused-explosion-video/comment-page-1#comment-286364
I agree with Busby and I disagree with him.
I agree that we are destroying our DNA with many types of radiological
assaults and we may have already compromised our future beyond
Atmospheric testing, medical imaging, tritium from nuclear
power plants, radiological weapons and DU deployed by the US
in the Middle East, Chernobyl, and all the electronic devices
we are surrounded by are, I'm convinced with Busby, compromising
our genetic code.
I disagree with Busby on US fallout. I believe that Fukushima
fallout in the US has been significant enough to cause ecological
changes and to affect human health.
The evidence for my belief is based in the empirical studies
of xenon-levels in the Pacific Northwest at 400,000 background,
the EPA radnet charts, and the anomalies I've cataloged and
documented on this blog.
I'm not implying that Fukushima has produced as much fallout
as the entirety of atmospheric testing. Recall that Alvarez
"The total spent reactor fuel inventory at the Fukushima-Daichi
site contains nearly half of the total amount of Cs-137 estimated
by the NCRP to have been released by all atmospheric nuclear
weapons testing, Chernobyl, and world-wide reprocessing plants
(~270 million curies or ~9.9 E+18 Becquerel)." (cited at
Akio Matsumura http://akiomatsumura.com/2012/04/682.html)
But Fukushima doesn't have to exceed atmospheric testing to
cause more obvious health problems than the myriad problems
and deaths caused by those tests.
In the 1950s geneticists warned that damaged genes could essentially
sneak up on a population because recessive genes were more likely
to be damaged by radiation than dominant ones. They noted that
the recessive mutations would eventually cause major health
issues and even infertility http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/burdening-species-with-genetic.html
What extent of damage have we already inflicted upon our genome
and its epigenetic operations?
How does Fukushima add to that?
Who knows when the tipping point will occur when recessive
mutations manifest overtly in deteriorating health and longevity?
Did anyone see the New York Times article about sensitive "on-off
switches" in substances previously regarded as "junk
We may be a lot more vulnerable than we previously suspected….
The New York Times was covering the Encode genomics project,
which addresses how epigenetic processes, such as methylation,
impact how genes produce proteins without changing the structure
of the DNA.
Great visual on epigenetics and the specific process of methylation
Here are some excerpts from the New York Times article. The
original research is linked at the bottom of this post. The
introduction is very accessible.
Bits of Mystery DNA, Far From ‘Junk,’ Play Crucial
Role By GINA KOLATA. The New York Times
[Excerpted] "The human genome is packed with at least
four million gene switches that reside in bits of DNA that once
were dismissed as “junk” but that turn out to play
critical roles in controlling how cells, organs and other tissues
behave. The discovery, considered a major medical and scientific
breakthrough, has enormous implications for human health because
many complex diseases appear to be caused by tiny changes in
hundreds of gene switches.
The findings, which are the fruit of an immense federal project
involving 440 scientists from 32 laboratories around the world,
will have immediate applications for understanding how alterations
in the non-gene parts of DNA contribute to human diseases, which
may in turn lead to new drugs. They can also help explain how
the environment can affect disease risk. In the case of identical
twins, small changes in environmental exposure can slightly
alter gene switches, with the result that one twin gets a disease
and the other does not.
As scientists delved into the “junk” — parts
of the DNA that are not actual genes containing instructions
for proteins — they discovered a complex system that controls
genes. At least 80 percent of this DNA is active and needed.
The result of the work is an annotated road map of much of this
DNA, noting what it is doing and how. It includes the system
of switches that, acting like dimmer switches for lights, control
which genes are used in a cell and when they are used, and determine,
for instance, whether a cell becomes a liver cell or a neuron....
Majia here: I recommend reading the entire article at the New
York Times. The NYT article was written by Joseph R. Ecker,
who also contributed to this introduction to the project available
Genomics: ENCODE explained. Nature 489, (2012, Sep) http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v489/n7414/full/489052a.html
[Excerpt] The project examines “functional genomic elements
that orchestrate the development and function of a human. The
project contains data about the degree of DNA methylation and
chemical modifications to histones that can influence the rate
of transcription of DNA into RNA molecules (histones are the
proteins around which DNA is wound to form chromatin interactions
such as looping…"
Majia here: This is very exciting research. It is also rather
What it demonstrates is that our genetic processes can be damaged
even when there are no detectable changes to our genetic code.
Previous research has demonstrated that viruses can impact
adversely epigenetic processes and that epigenetic changes can
Scientists are beginning to look at how environment and genetic
processes are co-constituted in development of diseases such
Epigenetics research takes aim at cancer, Alzheimer's, autism,
other illnesses. The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/14/AR2009121402894.html
If viruses can damage epigenetic processes than radiation surely
Unfortunately, it will be too late for us when we can prove
empirically and without doubt that we have damaged our genome.
Is Fukushima an ELE
reaction on Facebook
my take on Busby Sept 2012 Re: Interview
Busby is soooo last week soooo last August in fact!!!
There are a few issues that I and others have with regards
to some of his answers. This is not a conclusive nor concise
break down of some of his unsubstantiated responses it is my
personal take on his replies to Christina‘s questions.
It is meant to get people to think and challenge the word of
one individual no matter who they are. In science for something
to be generally accepted one may write a paper but it is peer
reviewed and if accepted it generally becomes mainstream. This
mans words are backed up with little facts example the radon
answer. So not in any chronological order I shall begin.
Christopher Busby even said quite blatantly and flippantly
that he doesn’t follow events of Fukushima because he
too busy with other things like trying to slow down the anti
nuclear movement to close nuke stations by attempting to get
people hooked into a so called European legal action which would
take decades and decades to be resolved if ever. Take a look
at the Tobacco industry. How many decades has that been dragged
though the highest courts throughout the world but they still
sell those death sticks. Diversionary tactics by the nuke industry.
To back this up he even stated that people should not waste
ones time protesting outside nuke plants. He is full of sh*t.
Peaceful demonstrations and direct action like chaining ones
self to the gates of hell to convey a message has merit and
for him to say otherwise is quite frankly strange and concerning.
Whether by threats or just ‘show me the money honey’
it doesn’t really matter he has had a pay day (remember
he always states he doesn’t get paid to do these things,
hey we do it for free because we care for each other and the
Just because he states other negative things about nuclear
weapons and human DNA being destroyed means nothing if his purpose
is the divide opinion and slow a growing movement down at least
in Europe by going down the legal route. A total psyop by the
nuke industry (the stalling tactics). Remember Germany are closing
all nukes in 2022 if that is to be believed but the anti nuke
movement is growing, it is massive. Look what happened in Germany,
political pressure brought about this policy change straight
after Fukushima and also all the nuke were shut down in Japan.
This paid nuker Busby now wants all Europeans to not protest
but to sign worthless petitions to the European Parliament so
that we can drag our heels through the court system. Can you
just imagine how long this would take even if successful. This
is how it would go for decades, ‘We have this evidence’
and ‘they counter that‘. Nothing will ever change
through the courts. Not saying its not worth trying but until
the corrupt judges and politician are taken out of the equation
nothing will change. Only political pressure like ‘you
will not get re elected unless you actually do what the people
ask and demand‘. It’s that simple. Oh and a few
jail sentences but I digress.
So which is quicker? Political pressure or through the legal
system. Political pressure of course, look at Germany as I have
said (even if I believe that in 10 years time this decision
will be reversed but I hope we can keep the political pressure
on so that this will not happen).
So you see Christina’s interview was really good because
it exposed for me at least what his real agenda is. Some wont
see that yet but considering up until this interview I valued
his opinion and respected him very much (hey him & I were
even born in the same hospital lol apparently), so it would
take some big thing in my mind to do a sudden about turn with
So Busby does not want you to protest, he wants you to go through
an even slower route the courts, he wants people to continue
doing what they have been for decades like writing letter to
the nuke industry which just get put in the bin. He is too busy
to be even thinking about Fukushima. So he must not believe
that Fukushima is the greatest disaster in human history even
though he has stated previously it’s a global problem
on numerous times on many main stream lame stream news channels.
A global disaster and you are too busy to help try fix the problem,
Lets look at his potential income.
He believes all of north America has NOT been contaminated
by Fukushima and that everyone should stop FREAKING out. He
said that the bomb testing last century is more cause for worry.
No Busby the bomb testing is a cause for worry, but on top of
that is the worlds greatest disaster that humans are having
to face right now and it so happens to be a nuclear disaster.
So is he truly suggesting that Fukushima on it’s own does
not really matter for the world? But with all the things added
together like the Industrial Military Complex ie using DU (Depleted
Uranium) weapons etc this is why the world is f**ked. But hang
on. Busby would say that weapons testing from the previous century
and DU weapons are the cause for human suffering because he
is an expert witness on these matters in British and other courts
and guess what he gets paid for that role as an expert witness
so he would say that wouldn’t he. So it is in his interest
to say atomic testing and military weapons of the nuclear type
are harming humans more than Fukushima and nuclear power plants
especially when a nice back hander (pay check) from the Nuke
industry happens to float his way. Can you see the conflict
of interest. It is so clear to me, its so obvious now after
There is more. All rain swipes are just radon although he has
never tested my samples or any others with mega high readings
(my swipes for example do to not match any Radon half life times
it is not difficult to determine a half life of a decaying isotope).
He doesn’t even address these high readings for example
25,45,85 or ever 240x above background radiation from many people
from around the world. Its just a typical troll answer straight
across the board “It’s all Radon”, where have
we heard that before.
This is a good one and I can prove it. He said that no fallout
reached England, are you sure about that Busby because I have
an actual telephone recording from England’s Environmental
Agency from earlier this year when I reported high fallout levels
in the rain and asked if there was an nuclear leak from the
naval dock yards called Devonport Dock Yards (western Europe’s
largest Naval dock yard) where they are decommissioning Britain’s
old nuclear submarines 10 or so miles away from me as the crow
flies. Now I never mentioned Fukushima during this telephone
conversation but after many different people telephoned me back
I had a call from the Environmental Agency and after quizzing
me in depth about what type of Geiger counter I had and my knowledge
of Chemistry etc the Environmental Agency gentleman stating
that no there was no leak at the docks. He then randomly came
out and spoke of Fukushima and in a nut shell stated that Iodine-131
from Fukushima had been detected in fallout here in England
a few weeks after Fukushima went ‘big badda boom‘,
of course he did add “it was below safety limits”,
but he had to say that didn’t he lol. Where there is Iodine-131
there is Iodine-129. That sh*t lasts for longer than 80 days
look it up, but I shall give you a clue its half-life is 15.7
million years. So I have a Governmental official stating that
Fukushima did reach England he didn‘t know I was recording
the conversation of course. Now we all know that Fukushima has
spread across the whole globe, Chernobyl did. So Busby you have
been caught out. You are a liar.
He also states that its just stupidity (or a similar word)
why nuke plants leak once again playing down the risk meaning
its just humans that are at fault not the technology. No! the
technology is beyond human capacity to control hence nuclear
waste and nuclear disasters like Fukushima which if we believe
the official story that it was the earthquake and Tsunami that
triggered this apparently not very important nuclear event then
these nuke planet are not safe but we all know that.
Shall I go on? I can I really can there is more. But I think
that is enough to wet ones taste buds if you haven’t though
of this interview in this light. Now I like to live in the now
and look to the future so what good things he has done in the
past for the veterans of the British atomic test is great, but
that’s the past. This is the now and Fukushima is a plight
on the whole world. Hey I didn’t even mention meteorology
like Orographic precipitation, convection, cloud vapour and
precipitation carrying radionuclide’s for example from
the Pacific Ocean from TEPCO’s own dumping back yard and
neither did he, funny that.
He lied to us all. Most of the things he said had no scientific
merit or backing he even said he was guessing for example. Some
of his answers were just conjecture and speculation. Add all
of these things together and what do you now feel about Christopher
Busby. Note not Prof anymore but just Mr Radon Man.
I rest my case me Lord!